WWE TLC: WHC Champion John Cena VS WWE Champion Randy Orton - TLC Match

[Hillali2]

The way I see it is that they are doing this to give the Royal Rumble more significance. How many years in recent memory has the Rumble winner went on to challenge for the WHC and not been the main event? (Obviously last year being an exception)

This time round when the Rumble winner is announced we will know with certainty that he will be challenging for the WWE championship in the WM main event.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Unlikely this actually unifies the titles. They will probably end up swapping belts, which will be a massive waste of time and money for everyone involved.

 

[Sid Schmid]

Triple H stated on WWE.com that it is indeed a title unification match. He said that now the brand extension no longer exists there is no need for two world titles.
My gripe is this is the sort of thing that should happen at Wrestlemania, not a secondary end of year ppv such as TLC

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Genuinely disappointed and somewhat pissed off about this. Cena VS Orton feels so rushed and thrown together, and you would think WWE would take more time to build a world title unification match.

Also, I'm still very skeptical about a clean finish here. I have a feeling WWE is just luring people into this show with false hopes of actually seeing a title unification, and they'll pull a bait and switch with a cliffhanger after some clusterfuck finish, with Orton retaining the WWE Championship and Cena retaining the WHC, so they can stretch the feud to the Rumble. Yeah, I get the point of business and marketing, and the need to sucker people into PPV buys and selling tickets, but as fan, I'm beyond burnt out on screwy finishes (mind you, it's going all the way back to Summerslam).

I have no doubt this will end in some kind of screwy finish, so WWE can drag this out until the Rumble or the Elimination Chamber pay per view. Maybe a no contest after some outside interference, because Cena and Orton are unable to finish the match after an attack.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm still very skeptical about a clean finish here. I have a feeling WWE is just luring people into this show with false hopes of actually seeing a title unification, and they'll pull a bait and switch with a cliffhanger after some clusterfuck finish, with Orton retaining the WWE Championship and Cena retaining the WHC, so they can stretch the feud to the Rumble. Yeah, I get the point of business and marketing, and the need to sucker people into PPV buys and selling tickets, but as fan, I'm beyond burnt out on screwy finishes (mind you, it's going all the way back to Summerslam).

I have no doubt this will end in some kind of screwy finish, so WWE can drag this out until the Rumble or the Elimination Chamber pay per view. Maybe a no contest after some outside interference, because Cena and Orton are unable to finish the match after an attack.

I'm not all that confident either in a clean finish. Even though WWE SEEMS to be indicating that they ultimately want to go with having a single World Champion again, I just don't see it happening at TLC. Maybe I'm wrong but if fans are reluctant to get excited about this, then WWE really has only themselves to blame with the recent string of screwjob endings.

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, I haven't read back over posts in this thread, but I'm thinking that WWE MIGHT do something in which Cena winds up with the WWE Championship and Orton with the World Heavyweight Championship. They're both up on the ladder, pulling & tugging at the straps and the match ends with each of them pulling down the other's title. It sounds like a perfect way of flipping the bird to anyone who orders TLC for this match and continue the string of screwjob endings that have tainted the past several ppvs for a LOT of people.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I'm thinking that WWE MIGHT do something in which Cena winds up with the WWE Championship and Orton with the World Heavyweight Championship. They're both up on the ladder, pulling & tugging at the straps and the match ends with each of them pulling down the other's title. It sounds like a perfect way of flipping the bird to anyone who orders TLC for this match and continue the string of screwjob endings that have tainted the past several ppvs for a LOT of people.

I wouldn't rule that out as very realistic possibility, but I'm hoping it doesn't happen. Cena being WWE Champion again so soon would be a counterproductive move for the WWE Championship picture, and storyline wise, the WHC on Orton again would instantly downgrade "The Face Of The WWE" as the number two guy in the company.

I want to believe in a clean finish and the "eleven years in the making" title unification tagline, but I have no reason to trust WWE after the series of screwy finishes this year. It seems very odd and out of the ordinary for WWE to try and build a world title unification match in two weeks. Plus, (and I could be wrong, because I haven't checked WWE.com yet) Cena VS Orton is the only match announced for the entire card? With two weeks to go for a pay per view, announcing a world title unification match wreaks of desperation to create any kind of buzz for the show.

 

[TJ-BITW]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, I haven't read back over posts in this thread, but I'm thinking that WWE MIGHT do something in which Cena winds up with the WWE Championship and Orton with the World Heavyweight Championship. They're both up on the ladder, pulling & tugging at the straps and the match ends with each of them pulling down the other's title. It sounds like a perfect way of flipping the bird to anyone who orders TLC for this match and continue the string of screwjob endings that have tainted the past several ppvs for a LOT of people.

I agree. More possibility of this happening or both Cena/Orton retaining their championship belts. IMO, do not see this feud just ending up at TLC. This will definitely continue at Royal Rumble considering the design of the RR poster. I sense there would be some stipulation match at Royal Rumble if both square of again - may be a Last man standing match.

 

[The Eighties]

This event is free in the UK so I'll be checking it out, but WWE really went all out tonight to convince the buyers that this match will be definitive and not a cop out. I hope they follow through and just let Cena and Orton have a big grandiose TLC match and crown an undisputed champion so they can focus on just building to one big title match at Mania 30.

So, I think Triple H and Steph will throw their lot in with Cena as the true face of the WWE and he will finally go heel to set up a match with Taker at Mania.......Ok, seriously, Cena wins as he should and unifies the titles as to me, love him or hate him, it should be Cena that has the historic moment as he's been the guy in WWE for nearly a decade.

 

[AttitudeEra]

I didn't vote for either guy because I think there is a slim chance that a 3rd man will appear and become unified champion.

Don't call me crazy but I would not be shocked if HHH somehow got involved and used his power to get into this match. For example, the authority guaranteed a winner but in the world of professional wrestling anything can happen. Lets says Orton and Cena have beaten each other to a bloody pulp and are both out. HHH comes out climbs the latter grabs both belts and makes the ref raise his hand in victory. I noticed it again tonight, the WWE is making it a point to have Orton continue to say he is better then HHH is and ever was. Hunter has the ego the size of Russia and he also despises Cena as well. From a shock value and power perspective it wouldn't be completely out of place if this happens.

Ratings are slipping, some fans are tired of Cena and Orton and if the WWE is planning on getting Bryan back into the main event then this would be one hell of surprising way to do it. Hunter wins the belt, Bryan wins the RR and bang you have HHH vs Bryan at WM 30. Besides Hunter can still go and this would also give him a ton of heat by using his power and forcing himself back into the main event scene.

In closing, do I think this is going to happen no but I am not ruling it out. It would be a complete shock and would bring in a nice ratings boost for the short term that hopefully the WWE could capitalize on.

If it's just Cena vs Orton then I think Orton wins via another screwy finish at TLC. They will have a rematch at RR and Cena probably wins that one and goes on to WM 30 to face hopefully Bryan or Punk.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Based on last night's RAW, you can sense a swerve is coming, but damned if I can tell what that swerve is going to be yet. Right now, I'm leaning towards the very distinct possibility that the Unified Champion walking out of that match next week is neither Cena nor Orton, but someone else that the Authority deems the face of the WWE (i.e. possibly someone like Lesnar) OR Triple H himself decides to climb the ladder and claim the strap.

 

[Sundar]

In general, whenever the WWE champ goes up against the WHC the WWE champ always comes out on top. So I'm sure that Orton will either win this or there will be a stalemate.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Should be a good match and makes sense. I'm guessing Cena wins. I'm hoping for a screwy finish where Punk somehow walks out with the straps because he finally caves to "play ball" when Orton and Cena wouldn't. Orton needing too much help and Cena being incorruptible.

 

[closet_fan]

When Steph was bringing up HHH amongst the title holders for both belts, that gave me the feeling that he would enter the picture and claim the belts for himself. But it still just doesn't make sense to have such a match of this capacity be at a secondary PPV like TLC. Although it seems the only BIG PPV the WWE cares about anymore is RR and Wrestlemania.

I agree with JoeyJoeJoe that it will either be someone right out of the blue since Orton hasn't been living up to the "Face of the WWE" mentality or HHH himself will take the belts.

Good lord I hope it's not the latter (No pun intended)

 

[tomthebodz]

Was thinking about this match last night and WWE seemed to miss an opportunity here.

Sandow should not have cashed in his MITB contract on Raw. I think it would have been awesome if he had cashed in mid-match when Cena and Orton were both down, climbed the ladder and won the World Title.

 

[NickRude]

Was thinking about this match last night and WWE seemed to miss an opportunity here.

Sandow should not have cashed in his MITB contract on Raw. I think it would have been awesome if he had cashed in mid-match when Cena and Orton were both down, climbed the ladder and won the World Title.

ive had that idea for a money in the bank winner for a long time now lol..they come in mid match during a ladder match n go up n grab the one title.

i'm having the feeling a lot of you all are also having..a major swerve is coming but i really dont know

the fact they keep saying only one man will walk out really makes me think its going to be a 3rd person or HHH himself. they never have said either John Cena or Randy Orton will walk out as undisputed champion..they keep saying ONE MAN..WWE knows what theyre doing and they know they need a MAJOR angle for Mania 30..the fucking road to Mania is a month away boys and girls.

 

[Deathtrain]

Honestly, and I know this has been talked about and discussed so much that everybody is sick of hearing it, I really think that if the WWE was EVER going to consider turning Cena heel, this would be the perfect time. Have the Authority come out, turn on Orton(not like they are in his corner anyways,) have Cena embrace them and BAM!! Instant heat and exciting buildup for the Wrestlemania season. Highly unlikely that this is going to happen, but I can dream.

 

[laodaron]

Turning Cena heel would cost the WWE tens of millions of dollars. He recently said that the Cena brand was worth over $100million. So, get the idea out of your heads, it would/could be considered the dumbest move in the history of professional wrestling to turn Cena heel.

That said, Orton needs to win this match, or HHH. Someone to be a heel. A Unification match can't be won by a babyface, because they don't have the arrogance to dominate the ensuing weeks of fallout.

That being said, I think Orton or HHH wins it in a swerve, setting up a program for those two going into the RR and then into WMXXX probably.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Turning Cena heel would cost the WWE tens of millions of dollars. He recently said that the Cena brand was worth over $100million. So, get the idea out of your heads, it would/could be considered the dumbest move in the history of professional wrestling to turn Cena heel.

That said, Orton needs to win this match, or HHH. Someone to be a heel. A Unification match can't be won by a babyface, because they don't have the arrogance to dominate the ensuing weeks of fallout.

That being said, I think Orton or HHH wins it in a swerve, setting up a program for those two going into the RR and then into WMXXX probably.

Completely agree. Not only that, but what would be the point of turning him heel? The people who boo him boo him like a heel. He would just get an inverse reaction and not generate as much revenue. We don't have a homogeneous base so one action can be cheered and booed and it's not a bad thing. Plus the "Lets go Cena" "Cena Sucks" chants are unique and it's fun. He's not a tweener (dumbest invention ever), he's Cena and some boo, some cheer.

I also agree about a heel needing to win. I don't see Orton though. They've teased riffs with HHH not thinking Orton can do the job alone. I really think Punk sells out so he can have his spot at Mania and he somehow walks out with the straps.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I don't know if anyone else has said this, if so I don't mean to copy as I don't have time to read over all the posts.

What if Triple H decides to make himself "The One?" After Orton & Cena have beaten each other senseless, Triple H sneaks in and lays both of them out and uses his position as COO to end the match, use said authority to insert himself in the match and have the match restarted. Trips either then climbs the ladder or is already on top of the ladder with a mic when he issues his orders, the match is restarted and Triple H pulls down both titles.

I'm not saying this will or even should take place, it's just a notion that popped into my head. It could be one of those swerves that comes out of nowhere, gives a bit of a screwjob ending but ultimately keeps the guarantee made that one man will walk out of TLC as champion.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

I don't know if anyone else has said this, if so I don't mean to copy as I don't have time to read over all the posts.

What if Triple H decides to make himself "The One?" After Orton & Cena have beaten each other senseless, Triple H sneaks in and lays both of them out and uses his position as COO to end the match, use said authority to insert himself in the match and have the match restarted. Trips either then climbs the ladder or is already on top of the ladder with a mic when he issues his orders, the match is restarted and Triple H pulls down both titles.

I'm not saying this will or even should take place, it's just a notion that popped into my head. It could be one of those swerves that comes out of nowhere, gives a bit of a screwjob ending but ultimately keeps the guarantee made that one man will walk out of TLC as champion.

Yeah, this has been in the back of my head as the most likely scenario after this week's RAW. I think the Cena turn is a red herring. The constant references to Triple H being a former World Champ, however...we all know that Trips can still go in the ring, and he doesn't have to wrestle a full schedule. For storyline purposes, I think it could be a good move, and I wouldn't really be opposed to it, though I'm sure a lot of people will lose their collective shit if he took the title.

 

[fouldsy91]

IF Either one of these two win, it will be Randy Orton in my eyes.

Cena does not need another accolade to add to his record since he has everything anyway, being the "first" (sorry Chris Jericho) Undisputed Champion is more of a heel thing to brag about. You always hear Jericho (when he's a heel) brag that he beat Austin and Rock in the same night, that's how I see Orton for the rest of his career IF he wins.

However, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Triple H inserts someone else in the match, maybe himself or maybe a returning Sheamus since he is due to return.

 

[#tamale]

I felt if there was ever going to be unification, it should be between Cena and Punk, but here we are. Orton and Cena haven't had any classic battles in the past but with everything surrounding this match, I am optimistic that they will have a great match. Just don't overbook it with run-ins.

A Cena heel turn is possible, but I don't see it. I can't envision them doing that screwy ending with each wrestler capturing one title. I see a clean finish with John Cena coming out on top. That's my prediction. If you want a bold prediction then I see Cena winning, the Authority lose their faith in Orton, and at that moment send the new face of the WWE after Cena. Possible candidates are Triple H, Brock Lesnar, The Shield, and Batista.

 

[L@RISANO]

Doesn't matter who wins to me.
Just hope that it ends with Cena siding with the Authority, and Orton being screwed by them. CM Punk's assertion that HHH was behind the Shield's ambush ends with WWE's three biggest Superstars in the same Storyline...
wishful thinking...I know...

 

[Mitch Henessey]

The more I think about it, I have no doubts this match will end in a giant mess. I can't believe in Triple H, Stephanie, and Kane quietly watching this match, and allowing the contest between Cena and Orton to take place with no problems.

They're really pushing the guarantee for one champion now, but I'm leaning in the direction of something happening to screw Cena out of the title(s), so they can prolong this feud until the start of the build for Wrestlemania XXX, when Cena and Orton go their separate ways. With the way things are now, Cena and Orton are the only viable opponents for each other. You can't hit the reset button with Cena VS Del Rio, and Sandow isn't on Cena's level. On the other hand, Orton can't feud with Bryan or Big Show anymore.

As far as the possibility of Triple H trusting himself to be the one Unified Champion, I can't see it happening. Triple H being a full time wrestler again would interfere with his transition into the tyrant role, because I can't picture a scenario for a smooth balance of being the best wrestler on the roster, and the top authority figure in WWE. It's too much.

 

[Dayno]

Just a thought, not what I think will happen but it could.

Got a taste of Cena/Authority on Raw so could see after a long and brutal match Authority comes out to ensure that Cena gets the titles, he's the face he's best for business, when Punk/Bryan/Whoever stops it and Orton sneaks in and takes the straps. Get a Orton face turn and trips is so pissed off that thats what triggers him to return to the ring.