WWE TLC 2012 General Discussion & Review

[MFR0mack]

I don´t care if you think my opinion is unpopular.

It's far from what I think, anyone would tell you the same thing -- including Mick Foley, who has said he feels he can still go in the ring, he just wants it to be with the right guy.

Seen the guy walking the same route down the street every day and he limped, he could barely walk.

I've seen two of his comedy shows, saw him at the gathering of the Juggalos last year, seen him on WWE TV and seen him make press appearances -- all in the past year and at all these events and times, he walked just fine and no one else was saying "he could barely walk." I'm gonna have to say you're tremendously exaggerating.

Seeing a man who's giving everything he's got to the fans and asking him if he, although he isn't in shape anymore and it could be very dangerous, could wrestle another match for their entertainment, THAT is what makes people look bad.

No, it does not make a wrestling fan look bad to want to see someone they are a fan of wrestle -- especially when that wrestler has said he feels he could still wrestle (big emphasis on this again). He's past his prime, but he's not a senior citizen, he's not horribly overweight (he's been much bigger before) and he's not physically unfit to the point where one more slam or shot to the head could risk his life like Edge or Austin were.

You're trying to throw your point of view around like it's the facts of life. It's not. Act less ridiculous.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

If I can remember Royal Rumble Foley could barley run to the ring when it was his turn. And he could barley move at all. I like Foley and think he is one of the most charismatic superstars out there, but I don't think his conditioning could take another long match.

Yeah I know Foley was never known for his conditioning or athletic skills but he just looked off @ the Rumble.

 

[Notorious718]

I was hoping after that promo that they were building towards a makeshift Hell in a Cell match between the two. I thought it would have been the perfect stand-in for Cena to rehab, and what better way to get Punk over as a heel than to butcher Foley in the Cell? If there's ever been one guy who can make his opponent look good, it's Foley, and right now, Punk just needs opponents that make him look good. He has Bret Hart syndrome: he can make anybody look good, but he needs an opponent that can do the same.

This is what I was thinking. If Punk had to fight someone at HIAC other than Cena, I think it would make more sense to have him fight and, in dominating fashion, go over Foley (instead of Ryback, dear God). It doesn't have to be (nor will it likely) a five star match but it will serve it's purpose: get Punk over by beating the veteran in HIAC. Makes sense since most people will say that his HIAC match against Undertaker was his most well known match anyway. Plus, this can give Cena even more much needed time off. When he comes back, then he and Punk can resume feuding.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Well, Punk has great ability to work a match with anyone......and Foley at least remembers how to work, so it might be a better match than we'd suspect. Punk would know Foley couldn't be expected to move around the ring very well, and he'd situate himself accordingly.

Of course, one of the best features about main events (or near-main events) is the uncertainty as to who will win. In this case, there's no question, is there? I can't see a single reason in the world for Foley to take home the victory; he's there to be beaten to a pulp, just as he always has since his glory days.

Shows what a dearth of good guys exist at the top level. Turning Punk heel only made the problem worse.

 

[Dysturbed]

Foley's been seen walking just fine at other venues & shows, maybe you just caught him on an off day. .

In fairness, when he was on celebrity wife swap last year he explained that he needs help getting dressed and even getting his shoes on because he is so permanently beat up. That isn't to say that he can't or won't perform in a match, especially when he has indicated that he very well may at some point, but is to say that for him an "off day" is apparently more often than you are acknowledging. With that being said, if he is willing to put himself through it, that is his decision and as a fan of his I would support it and enjoy seeing him perform again.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hell yeah! TLC is the ppv for this match as well.. Mick isn't just known a lot in the 'E', but he's known all arounf the USA.. This match would be good, will tell a good story, and since Mick came back, he and Punk haven't been on the same side and it's gotten physical with Punk putting his hands on Mick..

If this match does happen, it shouldn't be for the WWE title, because then EVERYONE knows Punk will retain the title, instead just a normal match, where it's believable that Mick Foley can come out with a win.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Sorry about that smoky smell - this idea had me rubbing myself so furiously that I started some manner of bush fire in my pubic hair. Someone call the Australian fire brigade.

I like this idea on almost every level, so it's probably best to note the exception; the level on which I don't. I don't want Mick Foley to hurt himself. That's right, I don't want the man who's made a career out of chairshots to the head, barbed wire and being set alight to hurt himself. If I didn't like him, I wouldn't want him to hurt himself. I do like him, and I really don't want him to hurt himself. I want him to be able to walk down the street without excruciating pain; I don't want him collapsing and having a heart attack.

But, for the sake of argument, let's assume either:

A) Mick Foley is an invulnerable superhuman who feels no pain.
B) Mick Foley is comfortable with competing and the relevant medical professionals are comfortable with him competing.

In that case, let them have at it. The two have a tremendous rapport and, dare I say it, Mick Foley is a better wrestler and more interesting opponent than Ryback. Oh, and I'd be perfectly comfortable with it being for the WWE title. Because Jerry Lawler.

Pass the fire extinguisher.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

No need, Sam...Im here to not only put out that fire, but piss all over it.

You guys are fucking dreaming. Im sorry, I would love this as much as anyone on here, but its just not going to be possible, or very good.

Mick Foley has been at the status of "can barely move" since, oh, I dont know, fucking 1997? 98? Sure he gave Orton and Edge decent matches, but those were during 1. Non pg, so as to allow an immense amount of weapon use 2. nearly ten years ago.

How much better shape can Foley be in physically by now? LORD do not let it be a fuckin ladder match.

Even if it DOES occur, it will be an underwelming shell of what you are all hoping for. Its fun to dream of, but father time is victorious over all in the end.

 

[Uncle Sam]

No need, Sam...Im here to not only put out that fire, but piss all over it.

Why must you crush all my dreams? Why must you piss on all of my pubes? This is why I don't tell you what I like.

I think you're right in that Mick Foley isn't exactly the most mobile gent, and hasn't been for a decade or so. However, I also think that Mick Foley is one of those wrestlers where it doesn't matter how agile he is. As Hulk Hogan proved at Bound For Glory, or Jerry Lawler proved at Elimination Chamber, all it can take is to have some younger guys run into your fist and the crowd will go fucking insane. What's more, Foley was never reliant on agility. I mean, come on - this was a guy for who a running elbow off the apron was high-flying. His signature moves are punches (and yelling "buh-dagghhh!") and putting a sock in someone's mouth.

Foley won his first WWF Championship in 1998. He's had some of his best matches "post-retirement." If he can walk, fingers crossed, and if he can take some bumps, double fingers crossed, then I'm certain that Punk/Foley could be plenty entertaining. Everyone else has adapted to have great gimmick matches in a post-PG world, Foley can too.

Feed Foley more.

 

[idif]

I agree with norcal. Although they had a fantastic promo a couple weeks ago, I think this match would be a disappointment. Foley is getting older, is slower than he once was (never was that agile to begin with). Honestly, he has no shot of winning the title. I feel it would be a better time to give a fresh new challenger for punk. I'd love for them to build someone up like Kofi Kingston and have him have a match with punk. Kofi is high flying and I think a TLC match between the two of them would be absolutely fantastic. I doubt, sadly, it will happen, however

 

[hardy8778]

I believe that this would not only be an epic match that comes to fruition but the buildup will be from last week leading up to tlc would have to only happen if Cena takes time off to heal the elbow and the other injuries he has. Cm Punk needs this feud more than Mick Foley because face it Punk lately hasn't except for Cena had a good feud in a while and Ryback is not ready to be pushed that far so bringing Foley into the mix will bring more intrigue the fans because Foley will be a face and the promos will not only be epic but tell an awesome story to the fans that not only buy the ppv but the buildup will be a great match i mean face it yes Foley's best days of taking bumps are over one more huge bump ends his career and he wants to at least have one more match and I believe it will be a defining moment in Cm Punk's career because he can make a great promo about him wanting respect and like Foley did last week tells him there's one person that knows a lot about high risk and high reward and throws down the challenge and Punk says no and foley tells him he respects him but will respect him even greater and even proclaim him the best in the world if he faces him in a tlc match and punk says prove it and Foley swears that he will retire if Punk wins and punk agrees to the match punk wins with the help of paul heyman

 

[Wwe Fan 4Eva]

I would love to see Cm Punk vs Mick Foley as a feud just to fill time between Survivor Series and Royal Rumble when Cm Punk will fight The Rock with the Wwe Championship on the line.

I think at Survivor Series they should have a Traditional 5-On-5 Survivor Series Elimination Match with Team Foley vs Team Punk, with Team Punk winning. Then the next night on Raw Mick Foley comes out and says he wants once more shot at Punk and then he challenges Cm Punk to a Tables, Ladders and Chairs Match at TLC with Mick Foleys Contract hanging above the ring with the Stipulation being if Foley loses he retires from Wrestling, then The Rock comes out and hits Cm Punk with the Rock Bottom sending him a message.

 

[HBsam31]

If Foley can still go out there and do it then I am all for it. The thing is I don't think he can even move very well. He seemed to have trouble even running to ring at Royal Rumble. It's a shame to if Foley was in better shape the match could be epic. I think even now it could be passable, but I don;t think Foley should hurt himself just to do another match.

 

[sTyLnK]

It would be cool to see Mick in a WWE ring, but I'd prefer if he just stayed out of the ring in any wrestling capacity. If he does wrestle it'll be something hardcore and good ol Mick has had enough punishment. He has nothing left to prove other than wanting to prove he can still go, but we all know that's not the case anymore.

 

[Con T.]

This is horrible,on all levels.

There's no need talk more about how Foley is in need condition to ever be in a ring again, and really does not need to be taking bumps. But let's just give Sam his wish, and make Foley impervious to pain, if not for one night.

The idea would still be fucking awful.

You guys have to remember, the WWE fan has changed since Mick Foley regularly competed; it's a completely different audience. You and I may remember the Foley of 98, the Hardcore Legend. But do you know what the last image most WWE fans had of Mick Foley?

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And you expect me to take this man seriously, against the WWE Champion? If Mick Foley is booked to look like any sort of threat against CM Punk, then you can kiss all of that credibility you've been trying to give the man for over a year now. The Miz worked with Jerry Lawler after winning the title, and that did a number on his credibility. That was against Lawler, who's in much better shape than Foley is; you're killing the main point of this angle, to get CM Punk over as a credible threat.

Of course, you could argue that WWE could build up Foley as this hardcore guy who took a lot of punishment in his day. Great; what video clips are you going to use to show that off? Are you going to show the one where he falls 20 feet off a cell? Or the one where he takes 11 chair shots to the head, especially in the era of the concussion? Are you going to show the spear through a burning table?

I'll answer all of those questions for you; you will not show any of those, and good luck believing the WWE would. The promos could be very good, and even then I'm not wowed by the idea of Punk and Foley talking, and only talking, to build up this feud. This feud may sound great, but it's really a horrible idea for all involved.

No thanks, says Haiku
I like my legends not dead
Or crippled, either.

 

[Just Do It]

Haiku, that's the beauty of wrestling being fake - things can be rewritten and credability is restored at the touch of a pen.

In the past Mick Foley went from fueding with Val Venis over stollen socks and jackets to intense bloody brawls with HHH.

Kane and Big Show have gone from comical acts to monsters pleanty of times.

Undertaker has gone from a zombie to a deadman to a biker and back.

Steve Austin when from a hard nut to a coward and back.

The Rock can play a camp homosexual in a major film and come back as The Great One.

Its fake dude...

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

If this match was taking place with Foley in his 1998 shape and mobility level, then I think it would be absolutely awesome, but if it does happen at TLC then I haven't got high hopes for anything special...

However, Mick has wrestled occasionally over the past decade and HAS managed to put on some really good matches with the likes of Orton and Flair and if he isn't in constant pain at the moment then I think this could actually be a pretty decent match.

Lets be honest, Foley wasn't exactly an athlete back in his prime and he made a career of getting the shit kicked out of him. If he is still able to take a few bumps (and he should not get in the ring if he is in the slightest bit at risk of permenant injury) then wrestling one of the best in the world could enable him to cover up his weaknesses one last time.

I would put my house on Foley doing the job, but just seeing him one last time in a decent match would be great.

Just a thought...I know their potential feud has been dropped...but how good would it be for Foley to actually look like he was going to win...then DEAN AMBROSE made his debut, costing Mick the match and aligning with Paul Heyman and CM Punk....I think that would be fantastic to see!

 

[tvcolosi]

In years past the TLC PPV has been headlined by 4 gimmick matches..
TLC Match
Tables match
Ladder match
Chairs match...

heres the card I'd like to see...

TLC Match for the WWE Title - Punk vs Cena vs Ryback

Ladder Match for WWE tag team titles - Hell No vs PTP vs Rey/Cara vs Rhodes/Sandow

Chairs Match for the WH Title - Big Show vs Sheamus

Table match for the IC Title - Kofi vs Miz

If they follow "tradition" what do you want too see the 4 top matches too be?

 

[Redemption-2012]

TLC is in Brooklyn I believe, at this stage I think, after Survivor Series we'll see John Cena vs CM Punk, seeing John Cena winning the WWE title in some sort of stipulation match. Also Sheamus vs Wade Barrett for the world title. Ryback vs Sandow or maybe Cesaro, some other mid card guy.

I think we will see a tag team match of sorts. December is notoriously known for being the time where WWE test everything and test the waters. Which should be interesting, hoping that the pay off from Survivor Series has an affect on the TLC match card.

 

[Steve-O-Matt]

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So we are fair on our way to Survivor Series and we can see some of the matches coming to light already. But I've been thinking about TLC, just a little more... Why? Well I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread about match predictions for the PPV after next, so here it is. I wanna see you guys put down your ideas for matches, what you would like to see happen, or what you may think happen or even a fantasy match. Let's see what you guys have, it doesn't have to be a full card or anything fancy like that, but you can go for out if you want...

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Here are my predictions for the WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs PPV:

WWE Championship

WWE Champion CM Punk vs. John Cena

TLC Ironman Match​

Now I know what you're thinking TLC Ironman match? SteveOMatt you crazy, you been drinking too much. But I've actually given this some thought... The WWE have been saying they would like to finally put a lid on the CM Punk, John Cena fued. It might keep going to WWE TLC, who knows? I bet it will and what better way to send off this fued then with one helluva match! Imagine it, one hour long, no DQs, weapons surrounding the ring... Getting a picture now? Good. I'd like to see this happen.

Now odds are the WWE aren't really loyal to Ironman matches any more, due to the fact that they kinda wanna squeeze in more matches, but if they timed it right, they could easily pull this off.

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Wade Barrett vs. Sheamus

Tables Match​

Anyone who knows me, knows that I believe Wade and Sheamus really do have something special here, something that stands out. All the great rivals have joined the WWE around the same time, had similar attributes and have brought in the fans. So why no these guys? They work amazingly together and in my opinion, putting a table in between them, might just be the icing on the cake...

On a negative note (in my opinion), the WWE have been way over using these guys together that's just taking away from the rivalry. These guys can go at it at a PPV level and I wanna see that happen!

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So these are my hopeful predictions for the WWE Tables, Ladders and Chairs PPV, I hope you like them and please respond with your predictions / wants.

 

[cult_of_icecream_bar]

We all know TLC is the last stop before Royal Rumble where The Rock wins the WWE title from CM Punk.But before facing the rock,who should punk be facing at TLC?I don't want him to face Cena again.Because it has been done too much throughout the last six months.But i don't want him to face Ryback either.I know near everyone including vince has a hard on for the guy.I just don't think that he is main event callibre.I'd like punk to face some one new at TLC.Anyways who do you think should punk be facing?

 

[fouldsy91]

For the people who didn't read it, this was my prediction on the thread for the Big Show V Sheamus match at Survivor Series.

I think Sheamus will win this match, but not the title. I think Show will get intentionally disqualified or counted out.

The reason I think this is because Big Show is only going to hold the championship till they want Ziggler to win it and I don't expect a cash in at Survivor Series. They can't have him beat Sheamus cleanly again, otherwise he has no-one to feud with at TLC, which I expect Ziggler to cash in then, and I also expect Ziggler to cash in on a face (Sheamus regains title).

My opinion is WWE want to wait the whole year so to speak, they're continually bringing up The Big Show 45 second title reign (usually referenced by Sheamus), so at the year anniversary of this at TLC, Big Show will face Sheamus in a chairs match or something, Sheamus will win, Big Show instantly knocks him out, and Ziggler cashes in, Sheamus has a shorter reign than 45 seconds and it will be used to fuel more of a rivalry between Sheamus and Big Show as I see them feuding until about Wrestlemania.

At the minute, I'm right. However, with Cena v Ziggler and Big Show v Sheamus happening on the same pay per view will there be some sort of mix?

I mean, I still reckon Ziggler will cash in on Sheamus, but I expect Cena v Ziggler to be after the Sheamus v Big Show match. There are rumours that it's apparently a TLC match for Cena v Ziggler so logically there should be something hanging above the ring on the line.

I could see Ziggler putting up his Money in the Bank briefcase at the event, however since he uses it beforehand, we have a second World Heavyweight Title match since there is no longer a briefcase to cash in. Hopefully Ziggler retains but you never know with the WWE.

So does anyone else see a scenario like this happening?

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

They're not going to have Cena going for the WHC. I just don't see it. He's going to get involved with the Rock somehow after the RR. Unless they plan on unifying the titles (very unlikely) there's no reason for Cena to challenge for it. If he did, and won, then the WHC would be merely a prop as Rock would probably have the WWE Title. Cena could lose to Ziggler potentially, but that's more unlikely than people around here would like to believe.

Also don't forget the possibility of Ziggler losing to Cena early in the night and still cashing in later, thereby making everyone forget he lost to Cena anyways. Cena doesn't need to bring it up because he's going to be more focused on other things, plus Sheamus (who I would also assume Ziggler would cash in on) would have first dibs at a rematch.

Also, I definitely don't see a point in Cena challenging for the briefcase. Other than that part of it, good call on SS.

 

[Wolf Pac]

It would be funny if Ziggler beat Sheamus in less than 45 seconds. Bryan beat Show in 45 seconds last year at TLC, Sheamus beat Bryan in 18 seconds at WM, and now Ziggler beats Sheamus in...I dunno...13 seconds? But you see the pattern, right?

If there is gonna be a cash-in at TLC, I think Show vs. Sheamus is definitely gonna go on after Cena vs. Ziggler, but Cena vs. Ziggler going on after Show vs. Sheamus wouldn't be bad actually. I don't think it would be a title match between Cena & Ziggler, but whoever Ziggler wins the belt off of (also assuming it's Sheamus) could interfere in the match to attack Ziggler either causing a DQ win for Dolph or there could be a little mis-hap where Sheamus accidentally knocks Cena out, allowing Dolph to get the easy win. If Ziggler is gonna beat Cena, there's no way he's gonna do it clean.

Honestly though, I'd rather not see a rehash of last years TLC although it still is a good idea, but with RAW's 20yr anniversary coming up in January, they need to save as many big things as they can for that episode and Ziggler cashing in and winning the belt should be one of them. The cash-in & title win would mean more and be a lot more special on the 20yr anniversary episode than it would at TLC. They would be building the future on a show where they are celebrating the past.

Either that, or I'd like to see him cash-in for Wrestlemania, against Sheamus or Orton. Somebody needs to cash-in for Mania for the first time ever and winning the title there would be an even huge moment than if he were to cash-in at TLC or on the RAW 20yr episode. Just anything new instead of the same old cash-in.

 

[ABMorales787]

WWE officials have been lobbying for AJ Lee and John Cena vs. Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler, but Tamina seems to be the substitute for Vickie. With her introduction and attacks on AJ Lee, she will most likely fill in, while Vickie will be the manager of the team.

There have been discussions for this match to take place at WWE TLC but many fear that this match will not draw a big interest for a Pay Per View caliber match. This is why John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler is the most likely match to take place in December's event, with that tag match possibly happening to build up Cena vs. Ziggler.

A little tidbit of supposed backstage intel regarding the rather lovely storyline rolleyes between AJ Lee, John Cena and Vickie Guerrero. The bet that got to me I decided to bold it. Something about it strikes me as odd. Ignoring how Dolph vs Cena would indeed be better than the suggested tag team match for a second, I need to ask: Why does the match need to be PPV caliber? Why does it need to draw this big interest? Isn't that what the main events are for? Just because it has John Cena it does not have to be this massive attention grabber like they've been doing this entire year.

WWE does know they have 2 World Champion's, right? WWE does know this is a B-PPV being discussed, right? Why is putting John Cena in a throwaway match for 1 lousy PPV such an issue? There was no problem having him off a PPV at Hell In A Cell or at last year's TLC. If it was such an issue to find a fitting match for this story, why the hell book it? Either WWE did not bother to think things through before starting the story or they are far too concerned about John Cena. It's John Cena. Him showing up alone draws at this point. If the report is true (which I highly doubt, but for the sake of discussing something, let's humor the reports) it's a dumb thing to worry about.