WWE PG, Attitude & All Other "Eras" Thread

[Jatkuva]

Yeah reading the synopses for WWE '13 it seems more like they're trying to make as much money out of the past as they can, rather than focus on the future. I honestly think what WWE needs to kick start the ratings is Attitude like promos, not necessary the type of matches that filled the card back then. It's a lot easier to invest as a viewer if they go out there make us laugh and make us believe that they genuinely hate each other, have a PG-13 era at least, when the highlight of the promo is "What are you 9?" it really says something about how far downhill cutting promos on each other have gone.

Also i think the whole blood thing isn't just something to do with the PG era, I know in some states you can't show blood(I know kentucky being one, as they got fined when they had a Backlash there a few years back).

 

[OG Mark]

I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. The main reason? Two letters - PG.

Times have changed for the WWE. When the Attitude Era was thriving, it had LEGITIMATE competition. (Note: I'm a TNA fan as well, but come on... really?) WWE had to do something like blood and curse and bra/panties to draw viewers from Nitro. That's part of what made the Monday Night Wars so great, who could outdo the other. Now competition has stagnated. WWE has to draw in the widest range of audience for top dollar. That why we're seeing more "throwback" and "legends" themes pay homage to the 80s glory days of Piper/Hogan/Snuka/etc. We're seeing more of the Attitude Era guys showing up and those that "bridged the gap" between, but I don't expect a true trip down Memory Lane anytime soon. WWE can get away with putting it in a video game and still making top dollar, but they have to change almost everything to do it on television.

 

[lazeric]

I would love a return to the Attitude era. For the most part the superstars of 2day who have much more success in an Attitude era WWE. Look at guys like CM Punk, Randy Orton, and Brock Lesnar these are all guys who could use the edgier more in your face style of the Attitude era to enhance their respective characters as well as guys like Dolph and Del Rio. Hell even comedy wrestlers like Santino and Hornswogle would be better in the Attitude era( Yoshi Totsu in a modern Kaientai type storyline would be hilarious). I think the reason we don't see a move back that way is I think it hurts guys like Cena. His good guy image would take a major hit if he all of a sudden started cursing and acting edgy. Rite now Cena is the most well known guy WWE has rite now, he's number 1 on the make wish foundation list and he's the only person who can say that he made himself a household name without leaving WWE. As much as we would love to see a Attitude era John Cena His character and personality just won't make it work which in s not his fault entirely. I personally place the blame on Vince. He brought WCW and then lower the standards on the storylines to a point where it limited the wrestler's flexibility so guys like Cena are now stuck in the same position character wise forever. If the Attitude era is to ever return WWE is gonna have to step up and broaden the range of characters that they use

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Well, the attitude era was just that. An era.

It's really a method or style you can apply when things aren't doing to well. Plus, they did have first blood matches after the attitude era. Plus, when it comes to first blood... You have to book very well! You must make things work well, and display reasoning why two men have cut and scare one another. Right now, with how booking is going. I don't think I want to see a first blood match in this year.

Bra and Panty matches, and HLA would be fun to watch. Don't get me wrong. And yes, AJ looked hot in her bikini. But, bra and panty matches for the Diva's title would kind of be a silly thing. The first girl who undresses the other woman first is the champion. Be kind of weird thing to think about it. Plus, if you have a diva's grudge match. I don't think settling it in a bra and panty match will fix things. Now, a bra and panty match for the hell of it. Yea, I will take it.

Applying a couple of techniques might be nice. But, I would rather see better booking and less PPV's then the return of the Attitude Era.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't really think it will ever come back. It's not all Vince's fault TV now is more censored times have changed you could get away with more back then plus after what happened with Benoit WWE can't risk more bad rep. Although rating's would go through the roof you'd have "Concerned Mothers" complaining and in the end they could end up loosing viewers.

 

[Scotty]

I feel like WWE has eased up off PG as of late to where it use to be since 2011 with the return of The Rock. I feel it's gotten away from the unbareable kiddish styled programming, but recently I feel it could be helpful to inject a shot of Attitude in the arms of the viewers.


I dont care what your personal opinions are on Attitude coming back for good, I'm simply asking how would you feel if we just momentarily revisited the Attitude Era.

What good would it serve? Sure they're not as strict on some of the language but if they were really drifting away from it then why censor it? The Attitude Era was fun while it lasted but none of the characters today are suited for an Attitude type night.

Why?

WWE '13

Simple. It's kind of crappy to promote a videogame with Attitude Era stars and storylines and not promote the game by bringing those stars back and that Attitude back for even just this year through the game's launch and maybe through Mania 29.


If you think about it, this could be perfect timing for Austin to return for a one-off match with CM Punk. A perfect time to do with WWE '13 what they're doing with Raw's 1,000th episode now (blasts from the past) bring back Attitude stars weekly before game release date.

By the time 'Mania comes around the hype from the video game will already have died down. There is no way they will still be heavily promoting the video game all the way up until Wrestlemania. That is 5-6 months of constant hype. They already do that crap with their WWE Films titles and look how well that works out for them.

I'm even hoping the game itself isnt a let down. We havent had a Bra and Panties match in the game in a while. That should come back this game even if just once. The point is whether you personally like the era or not, the WWE shouldnt try to promote the era and then not make the experience in the game authentic.

You seriously want the Bra and Panties matches back in the game? Why? They were the most miserable game modes there was. I have never met one person that bought the game just for the Bra and Panties mode match.

Watching the Battle Royal on Raw with the Divas, it was really the sexiest thing I can remember seeing in a long while from Divas on Raw. I dont think I've seen that much skin and it wasnt even that much, in a while. And with these newer girls, I dont think rare Bra and Panties matches would kill them.

I myself love real Bra and Panties matches (not the ones in the game) but I don't think we will see them back around anytime soon. The WWE is smart enough to know that the parents don't want to take a 4 year old to something that has women stripping and that will driv down ticket sales.

For a big personal feud I also dont think ONE First Blood Match would kill them. Those two matches have been gone too long and with this one spotlight on that era, where these two matches were heavily featured, it needs to return.


People always bash it for blood, violence and bra and panties. I say let's have the real hardcore styled matches and extremes we use to see and bra and panties and if they're starting to ease up on blood (like with Cena in the Lesnar feud) then have a blatant First Blood Match.

I completely agree with allowing blood in matches, but only certain matches. You don't need to have blood to have an amazing match. You don't have to have blood in every big feud. This isn't ECW where that is what they try to incorporate into every single match.

make Mae Young's hand a playable character that can kick Hornswoggle's ass!

This quote makes everything you said completely invalid.

 

[prestonluv]

Attitude era fans like myself are continually jaded

Wrestling was cool among almost every age group for about 5 years(96-00). Arenas were sold out everywhere and wrestling gear could be seen on the streets.

I remember when i got my Austin 3:16 shirt at an event and everytime i wore it someone commented on it or asked where i got it. Now i wear some wrestling t shirts and never get comments.

Simply put...we wont see an era with that much excitement and broad appeal for a very long time if ever. It was the peak of sports entertainment and we should all feel blessed to have witnessed it.

I just shake my head consistently at the product nowadays. Even the best angles/groups of today like the Nexus and Summer of Punk were nowhere near close to the best angles in the past like the NWO, DX, Corporation, NOD, APA, austin running wild, etc, etc.

Sigh...its almost depressing just writing this stuff.

Maybe in 15 or 20 years they can have another attitude run.

 

[SickJames]

What good would it serve? Sure they're not as strict on some of the language but if they were really drifting away from it then why censor it? The Attitude Era was fun while it lasted but none of the characters today are suited for an Attitude type night.



By the time 'Mania comes around the hype from the video game will already have died down. There is no way they will still be heavily promoting the video game all the way up until Wrestlemania. That is 5-6 months of constant hype. They already do that crap with their WWE Films titles and look how well that works out for them.




You seriously want the Bra and Panties matches back in the game? Why? They were the most miserable game modes there was. I have never met one person that bought the game just for the Bra and Panties mode match.




I myself love real Bra and Panties matches (not the ones in the game) but I don't think we will see them back around anytime soon. The WWE is smart enough to know that the parents don't want to take a 4 year old to something that has women stripping and that will driv down ticket sales.



I completely agree with allowing blood in matches, but only certain matches. You don't need to have blood to have an amazing match. You don't have to have blood in every big feud. This isn't ECW where that is what they try to incorporate into every single match.




This quote makes everything you said completely invalid.

I knew some just had to turn this into something it isnt. It's not about the era itself coming back for those who got confused, just Attitude-esque things moreso occuring a little before the game and through the launch for the rest of the year to promote it. I was just throwing it up in the air that if they really wanted to treat us, they could use this perfect timing of a game like this coming out to start giving us Attitude occurances and then bring back the epitomy of Attitude in Austin, back for his final match against Punk, you bring him back around January to get a solid story and with the game just having came out in October promoting an era he helped make famous you could have more Attitude Era styled programming just up until Mania or storywise especially with Austin/Punk, whatever Rock does and Lesnar etc etc and Taker.

It could die off then after a clash of this gen's star vs a star of that era clashing.




The Mae Young Hand thing doesnt make anything invalid, GAMES are meant to be fun dumbass, look up past games where WWE had Head as a playable character.

And again, you were one of the ones that didnt get it and had to go and bash ECW and bring up shit that it isnt even about. I only said they could bring back a First Blood match if only for a personal feud, not every week.

THEY themselves are letting stars bleed again, so with the release of the game it makes sense to give us something we dont normally see as it relates to the game's bringing back of that era. Meaning for a short spell we could get that match, Bra and Panties matches and other Diva specialty bouts, maybe a hardcore styled match that isnt the same Falls Count Anywhere, Street Fight, Hardcore Match, Extreme Rules Match, No Holds Barred Match, NO DQ Match.


I'm sorry I didnt go into enough detail on that specifically as if it was hard to tell that this is basically what WWE does now, Give us the same damn specialty match with a different name and calls it brutal action when less to nothing happens meanwhile avoiding matches with actual pinpoint bases for winning that would have a different type of hardcore flow to it.


Where are the Parking Lot Brawls? Texas Bullrope Matches? Singapore Cane on a Pole Matches, Matches featuring barbedwire. just once (Foley/Ambrose if you wanna bring him in and put him over fast in a feud with Foley still even though those plans appear to be scrapped)

this should be a time where we relive a bit and remember with not only stars of the past, but letting the stars now have some fun!

seeing them in a different light would be refreshing under a temporary TV-14 rating even and you always get ppl talking fresh, well the new guys in that environment would be refreshing and it wouldnt just be cursing, bleeding and ass.

 

[Alastor]

Attitude era programming was a response to them being second best to their competition of the day. They couldn't win over fans with their content so they resorted to appealing to the lowest common denominator. Raunchy content and excessive violence. Now that they are at the top, there is no need to expose their wrestlers to such degrading or unhealthy measures on a weekly basis.

Fans of storytelling by oiled-up half naked muscle men rolling around will stay with the company more than fans of bras and panties match and men crashing through tables for no reasons.

 

[OutsiderDX]

PG was also a response to the fans becoming desensitized.

There was a point that skits / action / moves / interviews / situations that should have been seen as extreme, were viewed as common.

Wrestlers had no place to go. Nowhere safe. 10 foot ladders, had to become 20 foot ladders. What was next 40 foot ladders?

The WWE had to pull back and take all of it away.

If the fans want a "taste", there are plenty of DVD's that document everything.

There will be a time when the WWE allows wrestlers to break through the PG, but it has to be the right time and with the right roster. Now is not the time and these are not the guys.

 

[Skinsley]

I would be pleased with First blood matches, the old style Hell in a Cell on rare occasions.

But what I would want back, just so that for one segment a week or so certain people can have a little of what they pine for. The Hardcore title. Just one match or segment every now and then with an ikkle tiny bit of chaos and trashcans and plenty of people will be satisfied. John Morrison although I found his Mic skills atrocious, was doing street fights every now and then with his park our that almost hit the nail right on the head.
Some people just need a piece of crazy added into the middle here and there. The overall product would benefit from it all.

 

[Jerichoholic8894]

I agree, but I have a feeling it will only be one night. Which night? 1000th Episode of Raw

With all these legends and attitude era stars in the house, I feel like we'll get a good night of attitude, which I wouldn't complain about

 

[MINISTRYrising]

if wwe did bring back the attitude era i think to many of wwe's top stars would have to be repackaged. yes people like randy orton, and cm punk would thrive in a new attitude era and you still have the older stars like kane, big show, cristian that have all been there done that. but then you have stars like kofi kingston, john cena, and dolph zigler that would not do well. so there would have to be a lot of work done before that happened.

 

[Workrate]

The Attitude Era is over. It has been over for a decade. Please, can we all move on?

There's nothing wrong with the PG Era because the target demographic isn't the same people as it was in the Attitude Era. That's the thing. The product is geared towards attracting children, which has pretty much always been wrestling's biggest audience. Wrestling, especially now that everyone knows it is scripted, is not geared towards grown adults. It just isn't. It's a bunch of men and women in their underwear pretending to fight, with characters representative of no actual adult human being. Instead of complaining relentlessly and clamoring endlessly for something that happened and ended 10 years ago, perhaps it's time to realize that you are just 10 years older and have outgrown the whole thing (or too young to actually remember the Attitude Era, in which case you're begging for something based purely off heresy and perception).

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

They already did, it was called 1996.

Sorry, I just had to post that. But back to the OP's question. I would love to see aspects of attitude era WWE sprinkled into the current product. And I don't think anyone here would complain about a bra and panties match featuring AJ and Layla.

Maybe in 15 or 20 years they can have another attitude run.

I think we will see a return sooner then that. As some posted, the attitude era was a reaction on VInce's part to declining ratings and losing to WCW. But even before that was happening as early as 95 you can point to examples of the WWE getting more attitude. I believe you can attribute this to the kids who watched the product starting around the mid 80's would by this point be high school and college age. So the same product wasn't going to cut it for there audience. Now I can see the same thing happening to todays product. The WWE went full fledged PG around 2008. That puts us close to 5 years of PG now. That roughly equates to early 90's WWE. I owuldn't be suprised to see a return of attitude in around 5 years time when the kids who started watching in 2008 would be high school and college age by 2016 or so.

 

[BigThunder]

For me, I'd like something that's halfway between what we're getting now, and the Attitude Era. I don't need to see dangerous spotfests, gallons of blood, and bra and panties matches. On the other hand, I could do without things as puerile as Cena's fudging Star Wars promo (and I *like* Cena). Surely there's a good middle ground that can be found.

 

[MFR0mack]

It's not all Vince's fault TV now is more censored times have changed you could get away with more back then

No, not even close. TV now has more free reign than ever in terms of censorship. You can get away with a lot more on a cable network today than you could in 1998.

Anyways, there's no need to give this generation a "dose of Attitude." Bringing back elements of the past that ONLY worked in the past isn't going to help the present. There's no need for bra and panty matches, excess blood or reckless hardcore garbage wrestling. The Attitude Era only worked because of the timeframe it was in and the war going on with WCW. Bringing any element of it to the product today with seem like cheesy, pandering, meaningless storytelling.

I just shake my head consistently at the product nowadays. Even the best angles/groups of today like the Nexus and Summer of Punk were nowhere near close to the best angles in the past like the NWO, DX, Corporation, NOD, APA, austin running wild, etc, etc.

Your statement is laughable and it all comes back to how you opened your post: "Attitude era fans like myself are continually jaded"

You're right. You're jaded. You're seeing the past through rosey-red nostalgia goggles, without actually looking at how things were back then. NOD, seriously? Every incarnation of it was racist and awful. The Corporation was ridiculous, and made even more-so by "The Corporate Ministry." The NWO was cool for about three months, but then they diluted it by sticking half the midcard roster in the group. Half the things people rave about when it comes to the Attitude era weren't really that good (and I was right there watching it at the time, saying the same thing). And most importantly, the wrestling back then was awful. Yeah, Austin "ran wild" all over the place... So did his horrible brawling-style matches. There was barely any actual wrestling matches between 1998 and 2000 (at least until guys like Angle, Jericho and Benoit showed up). Most of it was nonsense brawling all over the arena and it just looked like crap.

 

[prestonluv]

Your statement is laughable and it all comes back to how you opened your post: "Attitude era fans like myself are continually jaded"

You're right. You're jaded. You're seeing the past through rosey-red nostalgia goggles, without actually looking at how things were back then. NOD, seriously? Every incarnation of it was racist and awful. The Corporation was ridiculous, and made even more-so by "The Corporate Ministry." The NWO was cool for about three months, but then they diluted it by sticking half the midcard roster in the group. Half the things people rave about when it comes to the Attitude era weren't really that good (and I was right there watching it at the time, saying the same thing). And most importantly, the wrestling back then was awful. Yeah, Austin "ran wild" all over the place... So did his horrible brawling-style matches. There was barely any actual wrestling matches between 1998 and 2000 (at least until guys like Angle, Jericho and Benoit showed up). Most of it was nonsense brawling all over the arena and it just looked like crap.

WCW has some fantasitc cruiserweight matches when Mysterio was in his prime. forget those?

Anyway...the kiddy stuff we see continually today would of been great if i was still 8 years old.

Sold out arenas, merchandise everywhere, and high ratings are just a few of the reasons why i am right and you are wrong on this subject.

 

[Headman]

Forget going back to the Attitude Era. I want to go back to the wild west and be an outlaw. Where's my horse dammit?! I also want 1920's big band music to come back into style, I want robots in every movie like the 1980's and I want people to start driving ford pintos again. Wow, it sounds kind of stupid when I make those sort of requests outside the context of wrestling. No wait, it sounds stupid in the wrestling context too.

WCW has some fantasitc cruiserweight matches when Mysterio was in his prime. forget those?

Anyway...the kiddy stuff we see continually today would of been great if i was still 8 years old.

Sold out arenas, merchandise everywhere, and high ratings are just a few of the reasons why i am right and you are wrong on this subject.

Did you forget that Nitro didn't revolve around those cruiser weight matches? Selective memory there bud. Also yeah, huge sell out crowds. In 1988 Andrew Dice Clay sold out arenas all over the world. He was HUGE! And not funny in the slightest.

 

[MFR0mack]

WCW has some fantasitc cruiserweight matches when Mysterio was in his prime. forget those?

Nope, but while those 15 minute matches were great, the 20 minute NWO promos and ridiculous finishes to the main events in WCW kind of overshadowed them. I was talking about WWF brawling, anyways.

Sold out arenas, merchandise everywhere, and high ratings are just a few of the reasons why i am right and you are wrong on this subject.

There's still sold out arenas and merchandise everywhere. High ratings come and go with the times and the fads. You can't really expect WWE to always have the ratings it did in the Attitude era. The ratings now compared to then don't show a decline in quality... They show that people grew up from the Attitude era and started to consider wrestling pretty silly. You'd be surprised how many people stopped watching in 2001-2003, not because the program changed, but because other adults would say "You really watch wrestling as a grown man? You watch guys cut themselves to add blood to matches and have stupid hardcore brawls all over the building? What are you, 13?"

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

WCW has some fantasitc cruiserweight matches when Mysterio was in his prime. forget those?

Anyway...the kiddy stuff we see continually today would of been great if i was still 8 years old.

Sold out arenas, merchandise everywhere, and high ratings are just a few of the reasons why i am right and you are wrong on this subject.

The product today has basically the same demographic as the tude era, in fact, it's more diverse. Then again, you don't use facts.

Second, gratuitiuos violence, semi-nudity, crotch chops, beer drinking, cussing, and Rock making homophobic joke, jokes about his dick, and saying things like "Kane wants to buy the Undertaker chocolates, Undertaker wants to tickle Kane's big red nipple" might have amused me when i was 13, but not anymore.

"high ratings" wow this is an IWC staple I thought was killed but I guess I shouldn't be surprised since powerbombing women through tables and mindless brawling and mae young giving birth to a hand amuses you. Where to start. There were what? 50 channels back then? Couldn't really watch stuff on the internet. Now there are about 500 channels and you can watch anything on the internet. Also, there are more people with TVs now, so a household share of 3% today is more people than 3% 10 years ago.

They still sell out arenas, they still sell a ton of merch. The difference is, Harley Race isn't starting indy promotions to give people "a show you can take your family to and not be embarrassed" (his words BTW) and there aren't parental groups set up to take it down.

One thing I don't think most people realize is that the Attitude Era KILLED off a lot of actual wrestling fans. Guys like Race, Hart, Sammartino hated the shit and so did a lot of fans. So who watched it? Trash TV fans. The same people that watched Jerry Springer and now watch Jersey Shore for the over the top characters, semi-nudity, trailer park esque storylines and brawling, also watched the attitude era. That's why the attitude era could succeed with very little actual wrestling and by promoting sex, gratuitious violence, and other general crudness.

Your cruiserweight sentence is hilarious. You realize Hogan was main eventing right? Jay Leno/DDP vs Bischoff/Hogan was a main event. Now CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are main eventing. So is Cena vs Ace, but at least there is a variety.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I know someone is going to say "lol killed off wrestling fans, then why did numbers go up".

Let me put it to you this way. I started watching wrestling BEFORE the attitude era. I very vividly remember my grandpa, my dad, my uncles, people on radio shows, people at school (adults) saying "this just isn't wrestling anymore". Now, white trash and teens ate the shit up. Then again, douchebags in affliction shirts and girls with orange tans eat up Jersey Shore and it's popular too. Doesn't mean it'll last.

Trust me when I say it, the attitude era probably offended and scared away as many people as it brought in. People LOVE trash TV, but that format isn't sustainable in the long run because people get desensitized and you have to up the ante. You can only up the violence and sex so much before you are gangbanging Sable and decapitating Mankind on a weekly basis.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Attitude era fans like myself are continually jaded

Wrestling was cool among almost every age group for about 5 years(96-00). Arenas were sold out everywhere and wrestling gear could be seen on the streets.

I remember when i got my Austin 3:16 shirt at an event and everytime i wore it someone commented on it or asked where i got it. Now i wear some wrestling t shirts and never get comments.

Simply put...we wont see an era with that much excitement and broad appeal for a very long time if ever. It was the peak of sports entertainment and we should all feel blessed to have witnessed it.

I just shake my head consistently at the product nowadays. Even the best angles/groups of today like the Nexus and Summer of Punk were nowhere near close to the best angles in the past like the NWO, DX, Corporation, NOD, APA, austin running wild, etc, etc.

Sigh...its almost depressing just writing this stuff.

Maybe in 15 or 20 years they can have another attitude run.

that's not really true at all. The attitude era was extremely popular with male teens and young, poor male adults.

I know that most educated people didn't like wrestling back then
http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/effect-professional-wrestling-viewership-children

Look at all the attitude era references made when talking about how it's a bad influence. Educated people didn't like the attitude era or their kids watching it.

I'm not going to pretend that this current era is watched by more educated people because it's still pro wrestling. However, people are definately a LOT more comfortable letting their kids watch it.

Women's rights groups were against it. I mean really most people except male teens and dumber male adults hated it.

I think your perception of it is skewed because you couldn't think outside your own bubble at that point in time.

 

[The Kliq]

This is my first post on this site and ive read alot of posts on this site about the WWE's Universe aka "PG" they pros and cons of it and I for one am not a fan. Cm Punk Daniel Bryan and A.j. is the only angle ill even bother to watch ill watch ziggler bump but other than that I dont see the huge deal about him besides that he bounces around and takes sick bumps. There is nothing organic about raw these days its all scripted and just watered down and if you can stand to listen to Micheal Cole "try" for 2 hours soon to be 3 which i think is a dumb move but ill save that for another post, your a champ cause i cant do it. The Name of the show is RAW...it would be nice to get a raw product that made it famous now they are just living off the name but when you have no competition you can tend to do what ever you want. I havent watched smackdown in months so I dont even know whats going on that show, I havent seen raw in a couple weeks and thats where my point is going. You couldnt miss an episode of Raw or Nitro back in the day or you would miss somthing sweet. Whether it was the nWo beating down the horsemen or Steve Austin beating down vince there was always somthing going on that made you turn that tv to USA or TNT and 8:00 and 9:00. Now its most likely this situation "well im recording raw ill just watch it Tommarow" that was never the case back in the day and My uncles always recorded Raw and Nitro back in the day but we would watch it while recording. I understand wrestling is well WWE anyway is aimed towards little kids today but it was as well in the 80's mainly 84 after Hogan won the title but i would pick the golden era of the WWF over todays product. This Twitter and Facebook bullshit is one reason why to, I could care less about whats trending its WRESTLING and its too scripted let guys have freedom hell shoot on interviews Cm punks was a work and he had the world buzzing over it. when you have Kevin Nash come back and give him a script to read somthing isnt right. to make a long story short Monday Night Contrived as me and my buddies call it needs that edge back it needs to get back to its roots and last but not least it needs Competition history repeats its self and maybe another wresting company will be able to make a run against vince just my thoughts now thats just TOOOO SWEEEET

 

[Big_John_Stud]

I think that WWE needs to create a Stable that was like DX. maybe a stable with Big Johnny and a heel turn by John Cena. they should get this stable going by Summerslam and then have a Survivor Series match with the Big Johnny stable vs WWE and CM Punk as the leader of the WWE.