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WrestleMania XXIV: Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels

If there's one person who might be able to get a decent match out of Flair, who has just been abysmal lately, its HBK.

Its a shame they didn't do this before Flair had to be booked to defeat Kennedy and MVP. This match should've happened years ago.

We all know Shawn is going to win, but here's the question....how?

Sweet Chin Music? That inverted figure-four he's been using lately? I doubt he'll win with the sharpshooter or crossface.

Overall, I think Flair will put HBK in the figure-four, HBK will reverse it. HBK will put Flair in the inverted figure-four, Flair will reverse it. Then HBK lands SCM and puts Flair out for good. Of course, afterwards, they celebrate in the ring and Michaels makes his exit to give Flair one last moment in the ring.......until Flair pisses away all his money and begs for a WWE job in 2010.
 
All i know is that the wwe is letting rick pick the man that is goin to put him out of the business and of course he is going to pick Shawn, as Hunter is in the run for the title, but i would expect hunter to be there or at least come out after Rick Retires
 
This is probably the best match they could have possibly put together to end Flair's career. It would be nice to see a younger guy to it and get a big push by it, I thought the perfect guy would have been Orton, but that obviously couldn't happen considering he is the champ. I dont see Kennedy or MVP as being worthy of ending his career, so HBK was the perfect choice. It wont be the greatest match, wrestling wise, but any time that a legend like Ric Flair is going to wrestle his "last match", it is certainly worth its spot on the Mania' card and should be a very emotional moment when he loses.
 
Honestly, I think they picked the right guy for the job. Shawn always shows up at WM, and has highly entertaining(vs Mcmahon) if not fantastic (Vs Hart Vs Angle Vs Jericho) matches at WM. Flair is utterly atrocious, and an embarassment in just about every match now. I think Micheals will carry him to a pretty decent match, and a great last hurrah for Flair. If they dont end it here, it will be a huge botch, as I cant see any better time, or person, to do it.
 
This match will be a Show Stealer IMO. Shawn Michaels is a fantasic wrestler and has the ability to get a good match, out of nearly everyone. Ric Flair, can still wrestle decently. Hopefully the matches get about 20 mins, then a nice send off for Flair(if he loses), which i see him retireing, win or lose. It would be nice to a Benoit/Guerrero moment from WrestleMania 20.
 
This match will not be the show stealer, it will not be amazing it will be good. It will not be bad, but just good. As good of a wrestler that HBK is, no one can make Flair look amazing in a match. Flair was a great wrestler, no doubt about it, but he's burned out.

HBK never has a bad 'Mania which is why I think he is the perfect person to put Flair away. HBK "idolized" Flair as a kid, and now he get's to wrestle in his "final" match. This match will tell a good story. I'm very excited about it, even though I know it won't be amaing quality wise, it will tell the best story on the card. I just hope WWE hypes this match well, becaus eit deserves it.

I am very happy to hear that HBK is gonna face Flair. There was a nasty rumour that it was gonna be Batista. That would be outright terrible. Batista is horrible, and Flair needs somebody to make him look good. The match would be horrible, and a terrible way to finish Flair's career.
 
I hope this match will be given at least 20 minutes, which of coure it will. HBK can always pull matches out of the bag when neccessary. I can even still watch Ric Flair without gettting bored. This match will be decent and will have great aspects about it, I imagine counter after counter and move after move in a ver suspenseful match. In the end after some refusal from HBK to 'finish' Ric in a played out match which I imagine will happen somewhere at the start of the match. Shawn Michaels will eventually hit Sweet Chin Music, then Flair will go down for 3. They will have a celebration in the ring, a 10 min goodbye with JR say 'What an emotional match, the nature boy's legacy will never be forgotten.' Good match I say, It'will be in the upper card, amybe 3 lsat match.
 
I know it's wishful thinking, but I believe they should go on last. Flair and Michaels will give us their all-time best efforts.

We all know the 2008 Ric Flair is nothing like the 1988 Ric Flair. However, he is stepping in the ring with the best performer in WWE history.

Shawn Michaels has carried many inferior wrestlers to quality matches. Diesel, Sid, Hogan, and Chris Masters come immediately to mind. He brought out the best of all those workers and made them look like a million bucks. He will do the same with the Nature Boy.

I expect an epic four to five star match. Michaels will deliver the goods. Flair has one last classic left in him.
It will be an emotional roller coaster. Like Hogan versus the Rock, this match might drain the fans if it's placed in the middle. I'm sure if WWE could do it over, they would have put Hogan and Rock on last at Wrestlemania X-8. Let's see if history has taught them a lesson.

And if you're not pumped for this match, watch the Hall of Fame the night before. I think we'll all be fired up after that show.
 
im gonna be at mania live. i cannot wait. michaels has never had a "bad" match. hell he and cena went an hour in what was an amazing match. michaels can bring it. and so can flair. i believe on one more night flair can tear it up. i cannot wait. it will be amazing and i hope michaels turns heel. hes great as a heel!
 
I think that the match at Wrestlemania between Ric and Shawn will be a great match. U have two main event level superstars going toe-to-toe at the Granddaddy of Them All. Plus Ric Flair's career will be on the line, which will make the match even more interesting. As an addition, Shawn Michaels hasn't had a title reign in nearly nine years. If he beats Ric, I think he deserves one more reign as champ before retiring.
 
Should we sing the nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbye song for Ric flair when HBK retires him because i don't know if its a good time 4 that or not. So as you could see i think Shawn Micheals will win
 
Should we sing the nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbye song for Ric flair when HBK retires him because i don't know if its a good time 4 that or not. So as you could see i think Shawn Micheals will win

I really don't think anyone in that arena will be so disrespectful to a 16 time world champion. I certainly won't be. The moment that match is over I'll be on my feet, leading a "Thank you Ric" chant. I am so excited for this match, I reckon it will be a showstealer in terms of atmosphere.
 
What i'd like to see is Flair looses to HBK and then the next RAW He makes a speech, Vince taunts him about loosing to HBK and then Linda or Shane McMahon embarass their Vince by firing William Regal as GM and making Flair the Raw GM. i know that won't happen though. But one thing is for sure... whether flair becomes GM or not, they need to get rid of Regal as GM. I can't stand him.
 
I am honestly not really looking forward to the match, but i will be emotional when flair retires cause i dont think one WWE fan wont be emotional watching it live and it will go down in history.

But i dont like the fact that flair loses his final match, i think that he should win and after the match say i am going to retire, i think that would be a better way to retire in my opinion.

But5 flair wont leave he still will be on the scenes maybe as a gm or a manager or something
 
Think will end up being a great match in my opinion. even thou Naitch is slower and older he has had some great matches during his Retirement matches. Plus, he has the Greatest of All Time in Shawn Michaels to help get a great match out of him. We all knoe that HBK can have a great match with anybody he is in the ring with. I do not wanna see The Nature Boy Ric Flair retire, but HBK is my favorite wrestler and i am gonna be pullin for Shawn Michaels in this one.
 
Well based on the match tonight featuring Flair vs Vince in a career threating match, I think we all know that Ric isnt gonna lose.........BUT now Vince is involved.

At Wrestlemania 24, what if HBK had Flair in the Figure-four leglock and Vince called the match, even though Flair never gave up (Montreal Screwjob) and says HBK wins, which means Flair HAS to retire. Imagine the heat Vince and HBK would get....
**HBK heel turn

Think about it...it kinda does make sense and would be a complete shock to the fans
 
I can't see Flair going down in anything outside of a clean loss. If I were retiring from a business that controlled my entire life, I'd want to go out with a bang - biggest PPV of the year versus arguably the very best wrestler in WWE history, Shawn Michaels.

More interesting to me is how Michaels will win this match: his own figure-four, or SCM?

I still think Michaels will put Flair in the figure-four, Flair will reverse it, Michaels gets the ropes. Flair puts Michaels in the figure-four, Michaels reverses it, Flair gets the ropes. Then Michaels hits the superkick and gets the pinfall.
 
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This match is a fluke and this video proves it. In the words of Vince McMahon. "Because the first match you lose, Ric, your career.. is over."

Case closed, end of discussion.

Now, as far as the Shawn Michaels v. Ric Flair match at Wrestlemania goes. Originally I've tossed around the thought of H.B.K. turning heel, which could set up the forseeable H.B.K. v. H.H.H. Championship feud for possibly Backlash, or Judgment Day. I've also tossed around the idea that Ric Flair WON'T actually lose to H.B.K. at Wrestlemania, and the world will collectively shit themselves after coming to the conclusion that Shawn Michaels just lost on the "biggest stage of them all" to a 60 year old man.

My current thought on the matter. Shawn Michaels will win, cleanly. However it could be left open that Ric Flair gets his foot on the ropes during the officials three count, and Shawn pulls it off. Why? To turn him heel? No..

All for Shawn Michaels the next night on Raw, to address the world in saying that HE felt Ric Flair's time had come. And that HE felt for as great as the man is, he didn't want to see him get hurt any longer. Naturally this would set up Ric Flair to argue the point that it wasn't Shawn's decision to make.. and somehow, Flair still won't retire.

Now, why would I come to the conclusion that Flair WON'T retire? Rewatch the video, he said it himself. He'll die in the ring, because hes too stupid to learn when enough is enough. Hes not made for broadcasting. He isn't a road agent. Hes a Professional Wrestler, good or bad, its his life, his career, his legacy.. and he'll want to do it, as long as he can.

Furthermore, if theres one thing thats been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt over the course of the previous few monthes.. its that Ric Flair still has more of what it takes to go out there and compete, then anyone else his age. (Hogan, Savage, etc) So thats my current opinion. Flair will lose, with a foot not being seen on the ropes, which will create the loop hole that allows him to stay in the company.
 
This is probably the best match they could have possibly put together to end Flair's career. It would be nice to see a younger guy to it and get a big push by it, I thought the perfect guy would have been Orton, but that obviously couldn't happen considering he is the champ. I dont see Kennedy or MVP as being worthy of ending his career, so HBK was the perfect choice. It wont be the greatest match, wrestling wise, but any time that a legend like Ric Flair is going to wrestle his "last match", it is certainly worth its spot on the Mania' card and should be a very emotional moment when he loses.

The more this angle was built up, with the likelihood Flair really would be done wrestling, it almost had to be HBK or one of the handful of guys with his main event star power still around (HHH, Taker, Batista, Edge, Orton, Cena). Guys like Kennedy and MVP simply haven't proven themselves worthy of such a win, it would be like having MVP beat Orton for the World Title.

The problem with ending the feud was finding someone both large enough in stature to warrant such a win and also popular. Fans will not accept if Flair is cheated by a hated bad guy like Edge or Orton, not with the knowledge that this was his last match. Maybe if one of them had beaten him early on, then Flair somehow managed to come back and avenge the loss it would've been OK (although that would have been a cheat to the story as it meant Flair wasn't really retired)

Now, eliminating cheating villains leaves you with Batista, Cena, HHH, and HBK (Taker possibly). None of them would want to face Flair and end his career however or it would have made no sense. Ostensibly either Flair had to challenge someone to test how good he really is (which he did) or Vince McMahon would have to step in and order someone to face him (like he did w/ HHH on Raw). For that to work McMahon would have had to lay out some punishment or incentive to make the opponent really want to win despite their friendship with Flair (Like HHH losing his spot in the Rumble if he didn't beat Flair)

Now, WWE obviously feels that ending the Edge/Taker fued was more important/better use of Taker and I agree. Batista is a good worker but not great and part of the equation for this match to be at WM is it has to be at least close to great. Batisita couldn't pull that off and I don't think John Cena could either. WIth Cena, he just returned from a long injury lay off and it makes sense to send him after the guy who originally put him out, who also happens to be World Champ (Orton). He's being used much better vs Orton than if he had to face Flair. HHH already had an emotional match with Flair so that would be a re-do. HBK was the perfect choice. Plus, HBK hasn't had a lot of good wins lately so he's due.

I personally would like to see Flair win at Mania, then on raw announce that he's done all he can do, adding a definative WM win to his resume (Flair has never won a single match at Mania although he had very entertaining losses to Savage and Taker) and say it's time to retire, adding that he's leaving on his own terms and not Vince McMahon's.
 
The problem with Flair winning or losing with some loop hole is, this storyline can't go on forever. Vince Mcmahon says something like that, they aren't going to simply dismiss it. Therefore, Does Flair lose at Mania, the day after he enters the Hall of Fame and get a Hero's exit or does he lose at Raw or Backlash to not much fanfare. I think the answer is incredibly obvious. I'd love to have Flair win and immediately give a Lou Gehrig type speech (sans the disease) but he's already stated he will never retire. It would be very awkward and inconsistant. I think this should be a clean win, no HBK heel turn and just a nice classic match. I garauntee most of us will be on our feet.
 
Shawn Micheals is what he say he is a icon a showstopper the main even the main. look I'm 17 years old okay and I grew up idolize shawn I mean i remember his awesome title run the ironman match with bret hart, his fights with sycho sid, diesel , mankind, austin and triple h. Look Ric Flair is good but this match is going to go to Shawn Micheals because and i quote" HBK has said in the past he doesn't want any more title runs" this is going to give Shawn Micheals his chance to regain the WWE championship for the last time before he retires. Flair is already in the hall of fame, which shawn will also will be ( that's a given) But Flair is washed up and he is a has been i think that shawn micheals still has a few good years left in his tank and one last title run ( with the WWE championship) with his win over ric flair he'll get it
 
Shawn Michaels wins. Flair "retires." Done.

But if Ric Flair will NEVER retire, as he so eloquently put it...I would just hate to see him still wrestling on a regular basis. Face it, every time he steps in the ring, his legendary career loses a little luster. Why? Because A) his divorce screwed him a couple years back and he is still forced to wrestle to earn $$$$$ and B) he was in his prime about 25-30 years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Flair fan, just not of his recent stuff. Maybe he is not motivated by money, perhaps he still has a love for this business, which is evident in his eyes. Whatever his motivation, his matches of late are painful to watch. Sad to see THE best wrestler of all time in such a condition.

That is why, if he does return (and he most likely will), I think he would be best suited as a manager or a road agent or something. Hell, have him work with the young guys and develop their promo skills a little, for crying out loud. But, as Will put it, he will want to wrestle as long as he can...

I guess the best thing out of all of this is that he is getting put in the Hall of Fame, where he belongs.
 
Well for one the title is wrong. If you think this will be Flairs last match let along Mania you are wrong. The guy isn't going to retire. He'll be wrestling again by next years Mania. Badly btw.

As for HBK. Yeah sure it's poor that Flair goes over the young uns. But is there anybody in WWE who Flair would be willing to lose too and be able to have a half way decent match with? I doubt it. HBK is the best choice.

You really think that WWE can carry this whole "Win or Retire" angle for another year. I am not trying to dog on you or anything. Flair is definitely a true legend and will be greatly missed. But I am personally surprised the angle has even lasted as long as it has. Flair will only go out at a Wrestlemania and there aren't many more people he can 'beat' before the storyline starts to get really, really, really old.
 
Err no. I didn't say that. I said Flair will have returned to the ring after his retirement. Which he will. In some capacity. WWE signed him to a three year contract. So either He has no real intention of retiring, WWE doesn't believe he'll retire, or WWE are going to let him sit out a two and a half year contract.

I'm going with option 2.
 
Yeah, Flair will lose at Mania', its going to happen, but that will definetely not be the last time we see Flair in the WWE. Guys like Flair dont just stop showing up, they always pop up somewhere in some capacity.

Good point Jake with the three year contract. WWE wouldn't sign him to a three year contract if he was going to retire and be gone forever in 6 months. It could be to stop him from showing up on other shows, but thats unlikely. It is more likely that Flair will lose be gone for a couple months, maybe longer, then show up again sometime. When he returns he wont be a every week guy, more a less here more a PPV then gone again, like Foley and the rare Hogan appearences.
 

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