would the miz be champion if HHH hadnt left?

[pepentorresHHH]

The question is very simple... Would the miz be champion right now if the game hadnt left to take care of some nagging injuries?? Raw lost batista,hbk, jericho and most importantly HHH... All this absences have created a void in the ME picture which has been slowly covered by the nexus the miz and others.....
I just finished reading kevin kellys latest column and one of the most interesting parts was that he said that the miz should get ready to be fed to HHH...
My question if simple, if hhh hadnt left would the miz and more concretly daniel bryan JoMO big zeke and other have gotten a big place on the card??

 

[LSN80]

Well, I think the question you have to ask is "Would Miz have won Money in the Bank" if those guys were still around, and been able to successfully cash it in?

I think the answer is yes. Its not like WWE, or Raw, is devoid of main eventers. They didnt have to move Edge to Smackdown. They obviously felt that Miz could fill the void left by him and others when they did.

The thing you have to remember is that even before HHH was injured, he spent a year outside of the championship picture. He fought Rhodes and DiBiase along with HBK for 3 straight PPV's, and his only championship was the Unified Tag Team ones. He was in the Elimination Chamber match, but R-Truth was in one too.

The fact of the matter is, Miz has been steadily improving more and more, to the point where the championship win was a matter of when, not if. The Raw MITB ladder match had established stars such as Orton and Edge, and young up and comers such as Bourne and Morrison, and Miz was the one they chose to win. Im not saying Miz will get a long title reign, but I don't think HHH's presence would have cost him one at all. Miz is where he's at because of hard work and great mic presence, and belongs in the main event spot. Along with the main event spot comes championships, and I don't think HHH would make a difference one way or another.

 

[martymcfly]

I think this is a really interesting question. Things could have played out the same way. Honestly, and perhaps I'm making statements based on hearsay and conjecture, but I think the best way to answer this question is it depends. What it depends on is if HHH is in the picture, whether or not the Miz was on HHH's good side.

HHH doesn't seem to mind giving a push to folks that he likes and supports, both in the ring and politically (seamus and drew but especially seamus being the most recent examples). On the other hand, HHH is also a huge political powerhouse backstage and if he was not a fan of the miz, no way would would he be champ right now if HHH was currently on the roster.

 

[Arkham Noir]

I think the answer is yes. Its not like WWE, or Raw, is devoid of main eventers. They didnt have to move Edge to Smackdown. They obviously felt that Miz could fill the void left by him and others when they did.

That's a good point. I don't think the Miz was plan Z, they wanted him there. Miz didn't need to cash in, Nexus and Orton have a good thing going on. I think he would have won regardless of any other star being around.

The O.P. asked the question of whether or not the loss of numerous stars this year influenced his win. Sure it did, but by the same token, if these guys had left last year we would have seen different young guys step up at that time. And if they had left next year, we would see different guys step up than.

Miz is champion because they wanted him in the main event scene. He's been working his way there all year. Triple H , or no Triple H. His absence has nothing to do with this

 

[StraightEdge for Life]

This really is an interesting question. If Raw hadn't lost stars like Batista, Chris Jericho, and Shawn Michaels as well as Triple H, I don't really think at this point that The Miz would be champ.

1st:Batista was at the time of him leaving the WWE was the top heel on the brand. He was really good at being a monster heel and at this point would still be a top contender.

2nd: Shawn Michaels wasn't even competing for the WWE Title and hadn't been a regular challenger for the title since he tried to take out Randy Orton in late 2007. So for The Miz's sake, HBK wouldn't have been someone that could derail his opprotunity for the WWE Title.

3rd: Chris Jericho was still a good heel contender but just wasn't good enough in my opinion to take The Miz's spot because he one of the 8 Raw guys competing for the same MITB contract.

4th: Triple H would yes still be a serious threat to the title and could be the only one that could really be the reason that Miz at this point would be champ.

In retrospect, Batista, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho not being around doesn't affect The Miz's chances of being WWE champ right now, but if Triple H had been around this whole year, there would probably be 10% chance Miz is the champ.

 

[CH David]

Maybe not at this very moment, but you'd be hard pressed to say that the Miz wouldn't be the WWE Champion in the next few months even with Triple H around. The guy has been built up perfectly on Raw. We know the story, drafted to Raw, IWC says future endeavored, proved us wrong. Anyway, the dude has earned it through hard work and dedication both in and out of the ring. It doesn't matter if Triple H would hold him back, Vince is the law and what he says goes. From what we hear Vince loves Miz and his work ethic, and he has rewarded him over the past year and a half with a great slow build. Triple H realizes that it's time to put over the young guys, I mean he was doing it with Sheamus. So yeah, maybe not champ now, but Miz would be in the near future if Triple H weren't out.

 

[Tna-WWE]

Yes due to the fact that miz has a great wrestling skills and mic skills while some of the veterans do not have great mic skills. He could be the next best heel and probably could win more championships than Triple H in his lifetime

 

[Rulk25]

I say yes the major difference would have been the timing of the reign. If HHH were active I expect he would have won the title AFTER Wrestlemania. During the down time after its the experimental time when we have seen the reigns of JBL, King Booker, Kahli, Punk, Hardy and Swagger. Miz on the other hand is being put in the run with ball title slot with likes of Sheamus and Orton

 

[GameOver]

He still would have risen to the top, you can't say when though if all these other guys were still around, since they will always have been a bigger draw.

They have been pushing hard to come up with new main eventers for along time, but the people they push hard haven't lived up to the standards or don't get over or getting injured alot. ie Jeff Hardy, MVP, Ken Anderson to name 3

So it's not like they are holding anyone back intentionally, everytime they put trust in someone they have a big chance of blowing it, yet the likes of HBK, HHH, Orton, Cena etc. are staples that will carry the show and guarenteed to get buy rates.

The Miz has been getting a push since he split with Morrison. Plain and simple.

 

[YngGun1984]

He still would have risen to the top, you can't say when though if all these other guys were still around, since they will always have been a bigger draw.

They have been pushing hard to come up with new main eventers for along time, but the people they push hard haven't lived up to the standards or don't get over or getting injured alot. ie Jeff Hardy, MVP, Ken Anderson to name 3

So it's not like they are holding anyone back intentionally, everytime they put trust in someone they have a big chance of blowing it, yet the likes of HBK, HHH, Orton, Cena etc. are staples that will carry the show and guarenteed to get buy rates.

The Miz has been getting a push since he split with Morrison. Plain and simple.

Morrison is going to follow soon once his feud with Sheamus has ended, but I am loving the situation between the two of them (BTW: Sheamus v Morrison in the KOTR Final.) Jeff Hardy got injured because he has a unique style of wrestling that was never properly protected or nurtured in the WWE while he was there, especially as Champion. And the fact that he finally won the title, and both times had it taken in less then a month was a freaking joke and shows how little respect the WWE Had for him.



As for the question of the thread, HHH being there or not is an irrelevant debate, he would have been the champ eventually. Hunters absence just allowed it to happen at a more opportunistic time for the Miz.

 

[GameOver]

I was referring to the fact he "Jeff Hardy" dropped the ball. Anderson kept getting injured and MVP never lived upto the hype
Hardy was his own downfall, he stuffed up 3 times and each time they tried to put him back atop and each time he dropped the ball.

The fact he got to the top at all should tell you they knew he was something a large group of the fans wanted. I wasn't one of those fans.

could add Shelton Benjamin to that list too. Got a huge push, and then it quickly became aparent he was nothing but a great in ring talent with bugger all else going for him and lacked drive.

 

[JJ15776]

I think this is a really interesting question. Things could have played out the same way. Honestly, and perhaps I'm making statements based on hearsay and conjecture, but I think the best way to answer this question is it depends. What it depends on is if HHH is in the picture, whether or not the Miz was on HHH's good side.

HHH doesn't seem to mind giving a push to folks that he likes and supports, both in the ring and politically (seamus and drew but especially seamus being the most recent examples). On the other hand, HHH is also a huge political powerhouse backstage and if he was not a fan of the miz, no way would would he be champ right now if HHH was currently on the roster.

The correct answer is right on the tip of your tongue, but you still managed to get it somewhat wrong. You're right that Triple H is a huge political powerhouse backstage. But you seem to be under the assumption that Triple H is not a powerhouse when he's not around on screen, and that's just not remotely true. Triple H is still backstage, still in meetings, and still married to Stephanie. That means whether he's on the roster or not, The Miz would not be champion if Triple H didn't think he should be. That means Triple H does think he should be, since he is, and that wouldn't change if Triple H hadn't been on screen.

So the simple answer is yes, Miz would still be champion if Triple H hadn't left. Obviously Triple H gave his approval for this title reign, and I don't see why he wouldn't have if he was on screen right now.

 

[mjtilley]

I seen a comment on here aboot HHH being a political powerhouse backstage. That is true, however he usually doesn't mess with Vince's chosen ones (Cena for example). I believe WZ reported that Vince told Michael Cole @ that PPV to say The Miz was "the future of Monday Night RAW". As long as Miz has Vince on his side, whatever HHH thinks or says wouldn't matter because Vince calls the shots period.

 

[Ferbian]

I don't see why he wouldn't. The Miz has been in the line of sight of Vince McMahon for a long period of time. there are supposedly rumors that he wants him to become the next company face due to his public appearances and representing the company. So I don't see why Miz would not have been champion. If Triple H had still been here he most likely would've been in a feud with The Nexus or something of that sort.

So, yes Miz would most likely have been champion. Might not have been right now, but I doubt it wouldn't have been in the nearest future at least.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I don't see why he wouldn't. The Miz has been in the line of sight of Vince McMahon for a long period of time. there are supposedly rumors that he wants him to become the next company face due to his public appearances and representing the company. So I don't see why Miz would not have been champion. If Triple H had still been here he most likely would've been in a feud with The Nexus or something of that sort.

So, yes Miz would most likely have been champion. Might not have been right now, but I doubt it wouldn't have been in the nearest future at least.

I agree.

By all accounts I've read, Vince McMahon likes the Miz and has liked him for awhile now. If Trips was here, he would be feuding with Nexus or Sheamus. Miz may not have won the belt as quickly but I think he definitely would still be a champion at some point.

I would love to see The Miz and Triple H feud.

Also, on a side note, I hope the Miz still has the belt if/when The Rock returns to host RAW. Imagine a promo with those two.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

As others have said, I think that The Miz would still ultimately be in the spot he's in right now. You have to remember that while Triple H has been out, he's been officially made an executive in the WWE with his own office at the WWE headquarters. If I'm not mistaken, the last thing I read on it said that he was essentially an official advisor to Vince. I take that to mean that Triple H has been in Vince's ear and has been working in the office while he's been rehabing his injuries. In fact, who is to say that Triple H might not be a huge supporter of The Miz for that matter?

The WWE has built Miz up over the course of a year and he's shown that he can handle being in big spots. The Miz is said to work as hard as John Cena does when it comes to promoting the WWE and he gets out there and busts his ass to get over. He might not be on the level of a Kurt Angle or Shawn Michaels inside the ring but, then again, who is and not being as good as them in-ring wise doesn't mean that The Miz still isn't an overall great wrestler

 

[wwefan4lyfe]

yes the miz would have been champion if hhh hadnt left and he would have been champion if hhh did leave,the miz was on his way to the top anyways it was just a matter of when...with the loss of so many main event guys in the wwe such as batista(retired),chris jericho(on tour with his band),triple h(injury),the undertaker(injury),cm punk(injury,commentating on raw now),and john cena (storyline firing),vince mcmahon needed to bring someone up to the main event to fill one of the spots that was left void and imo he chose the right person by choosing the miz because to me the miz is the hardest worker in the wwe and u can see that in his performance and work

 

[TheEraofAwesome]

It's very hard for me to say whether Miz would be champion with HHH active on the roster. Because even when he was, it was reported that Miz was already on the good side of the company to begin with. Although, that was apparently the same with Evan Bourne, and he has been struggling to get a win for a long stretch now. If I had to assume, I'd actually think Miz would have broken the glass ceiling. So I'll say yes.