Worst Result of WM25

[DD84]

I am not sure if it goes here or at the WM part, so I will out it here, but do as you see fit. Tonight there were a lot of interesting moves at Mania, HHH retaining the belt, Punk goes back to back, Colons over Miz and Morrison for the Unified Tag Belts and JBL losing in 21 seconds. Which of all Mania 25 moves was the worst. There were a couple of bad ones. Here is the worst to me.

Triple is still WWE Champion. Why, Orton was killer. He was amazing. He even lost clean. Why? Couldn't for one time HHH let Orton bet him clean? I feel bad for him, it was supposed to be the night that Orton starts back up the Age of Orton, which was ended by HHH. HHH can't ever lose to him, except the one night where HHH fought 2 matches before hand, one of which was against Orton and Orton lost and won the belt that night.

Your thoughts.

 

[sharu7]

Orton really needed to go over. Now he just looks weak. But I suspected that Cripple H wouldn't allow him to go over. The sad thing is that when his career is over we still have to see that POS because he is an honorary McMahon.

I really hope that WWE just tanks it.

 

[DhA]

It was such a bad decision to make HHH win. At least the JBL thing was kind of obvious and got a pretty decent crowd reaction. Randy Orton should have destroyed HHH, I don't know what kind of crap they're gonan conjure up to continue this fued now. Would have liked Christian to win MitB but CM Punk's not bad.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Well, they killed Orton's character yet again last week on Raw when he basically trashed his IED gimmick, and said that "he knew what he was doing all along." Here, I thought WWE learned their lesson from the several weeks after No Way Out, when they were toning his character down, after they had him assault Stephanie ... but then they went right back to killing his character again.

As far as the most disappointing Mania finishes ... I think Triple H vs Orton was the most disappointing. It was refreshing to see no McMahons turn, as I had a fear they were going to go that route, but I'm glad they didn't.

Cena vs Edge vs Show was as good as it possibly could be. Lame finish, but Cena should have went over in the match ... and he did. Vince should have absolutely never booked this match. Triple Threats are way overdone at Mania anyway, but Big Show should have never been in this match, and Cena vs Edge has been way overdone in the past. Just a bad booking decision all-around ... but I still say it was right to have Cena win.

Would have been a nice surprise to see HBK win his match, but we all knew he wasn't.

Miz/Morrison vs The Colons, was the right finish. They've had the Tag Team spotlight long enough ... so I agree with the decision to give The Colons the rub.

CM Punk shouldn't have won again, but I can live with that, and not gripe too much over it.

Divas Battle Royal was absolute crap. No wonder Trish Stratus declined to be a part of it, seeing what a joke they turned that whole thing into. What a waste.

Those are the only real match finishes I had problems with.

 

[NaturallyPricele$$]

WORST WRESTLEMANIA EVER


The night opened with the tag team titles bumped off the show, WTF?

MITB was very disappointing, probably not a good idea to put someone in a ladder match who is afraid of heights, (i.e. Mark Henry) Punk wins and suddenly I find myself wondering if this is Wrestlemania 24 or 25.

Kid Rock now plays for 10 mins. They put this on instead of unifying the Tag Team Championship. Hope someone was fired for that.

The Diva battle royal is next, but noone is introduced. I wonder if this is because they were a few bimbos short of the listed 25 participants.

Jericho vs. Legends follows. Big props to Ricky Steamboat. He's still got it. We end with Micky F'n Roark knocking Jericho out. Let me get this straight, 3 hall of fame wrestlers can't take out Jericho but a 40+ year old actor can? Again, who is going to be fired for this?????

Hardy vs. Hardy next. Not too bad, but I still think it was a mistake splitting the Hardys' Have Christian the one behind the attacks. Christian vs. Jeff, put Matt in MITB and give him the push he deserves.

Undertaker vs. HBK, the one bright spot of the night.

World title match. Big Show has absolutely NO BUSINESS anywhere near the main event of Wrestlemania. Cena wins and 10-14 year old girls nationwide rejoice. One can only pray Cena is drafted to Smackdown in 8 days.

Austin comes out on 4 wheeler and drinks. I realize what I spent on this PPV and also begin to drink.

Finally we end with the WWE championship. HHH uses his influence and keeps the belt off the hottest star in wrestling today. No interference, no swerve in the end, HHH burys Orton and walks out with the title.

I will now spend the day tomorrow writing my local cable provider begging for the channel that ROH comes on to be added to my sports package. Thank God, baseball season starts tomorrow.

 

[Y4J]

Here's my explanation, but i'll start it with this question... (INTELLIGENT opinions are VERY welcomed)

When is HHH going to let Orton FINALLY get his big break? Or better yet, when is HHH going to STEP DOWN??

You know, for all the build up, for all the twists and turns for this main event, you'd think you'd see SOMETHING. Will the McMahon's interfere? Will they turn on HHH? Or will Orton FINALLY get his win after CONSTANT losses to HHH.

No.. ONCE AGAIN, at the BIGGEST show of the year, we see ABSOLUTELY nothing new.. We see a interesting turn at Money in the Bank. We see Jeff and Matt go at it in a pretty crazy high flying spot match. We see HBK and Taker TEAR the house down, HELL, we even see something new in Cena's match, with him lifting BOTH Edge and Big Show on his shoulders.. And yet, in the end, THE main event, what do we see? We see a TYPICAL Orton having to JOB to HHH..

And it doesn't matter what the occation is. If Orton is heel, HHH beats him. If Orton is FACE, HHH beats him.. And before people say what most do, trust me, I KNOW usually a heels job is to be weaker and the face is suppose to win. (Most of the time) But i'm sorry, the situation NEVER changes with Orton and HHH.. And it's because HHH KNOWS that his time is running out. We have GREAT heels like Orton, Edge, and Jericho, and he knows his time is running out. And with faces like Cena, Rey, Jeff, and even Punk, HHH's time as the main face is running out as well.. HHH STEP DOWN.

We all know HHH's past.. And just to remind you if you DON'T, i'll tell you..

HHH was one of, if not, the FIRST heels to win a main event at Mania.. When he defeated the Rock. YES it lead to a HUGE buyrate at Backlash, but it was a HUGE disapointment. A lot of people put the blame to Stone Cold not being ready yet till Backlash, but I beg to differ.

Let's go further into the future. We saw HHH absolutely ruin Booker's run towards the title. Degrate Booker, (Remember that whole "Your people" angle) and then JOB Booker at Mania. And what was the excuse? Cuz GOLDBERG was coming and he thought he'd be a better champion. Booker was WAY over, and could have held the title great, but didn't get a chance because HHH didn't let him at least try.

HHH ruined Kane's return. Kane was way over and HHH stopped his momentum.

And then Benoit.. HHH taps to Benoit, and Benoit is champ.. Yet the as soon as HHH was out of the picture, the spotlight STILL wasn't on Benoit. It was on HHH and HBK's feud.. While Benoit was running with the title, we were being highlighted with HBK and HHH.. Even to a point where their Hell in the Cell match main evented while Benoit and Kane was like a mid card match.. Yea Kane and Benoit may not have drawn, but HHH said HIMSELF that the championship should ALWAYS be main event. (He said it when people questioned him why Hogan and Rock wasn't main event at Mania X8)

So then we see Orton rise up and take the title and rather than have Orton run with it and turn on Orton perhaps LATER down the line, they turn Orton face the next night, and the next MONTH, HHH takes the title from Orton.. From there, Orton goes into limbo.. He goes into a limbo face run, where Orton faces HHH later at the rumble, where Orton plays some stupid concussion angle and HHH beats Orton clean AGAIN..

TO jump AGAIN, Orton and Edge create RATED RKO, a GREAT group.. And what happens? DX comes back (Before Rated RKO I know but not the point) and rather pushing these guys to the top, and helping the two future biggest heels in the company, they BURY them....

Let's go ONE more time shall we?

Cena gets hurt and Orton and HHH face eachother.. HHH beats Orton and becomes champion once again.. HHH goes through ANOTHER match, to then have ANOTHER match with Orton in the end to drop the title to him THEN.. In other words, the ONLY way Orton can beat HHH is if HHH goes through hell first..

Then after Mania, when Orton wins the triple threat, (Where Orton pins CENA not HHH) HHH beats Orton yet AGAIN.

And now to recent..

Orton gets pushed through the ROOF. He wins the rumble, beats on the WHOLE McMahon family, gets his own stable together, and after ALL the pushing, what happens..

HHH DETHRONES The era of Orton again.. And in no different fashion.. Just a flat out, HHH standing over Orton's broken body.. Wow that's new.

It's REDICULOUS..

Let's bring up another argument...

Some people say "Well, if HHH doesn't put anyone over or job anyone, explain people he HAS put over like Batista?"

Ok I will...

Orton's rise was strictly with his talent. Orton got over with his whole Legend Killer angle, and then his great run against Foley.. If anything, THAT match put Orton over as main event. Bottom line, Orton did have help of many other people, but with all honestly, Orton mostly got himself over. Sure HHH and Flair helped with Evolution, but Orton executed with it.. You look at Batista.. EVERYONE didn't like Batista for a while. He was looked on as another big man getting an undeserved push. It was until HHH carried Batista to their angle and main event and made Batista big. Batista didn't get big off of matches and gimmick like Orton did. (Orton had great matches with Benjamin, RVD, Benoit, Foley, and so forth and had great angles with legends and so forth) Batista had his angle with HHH, and because it involved HHH, Batista got the run..

As Batista faded from HHH, his momentum slowly began to fade. Other than his run with Eddie, and then Taker, Batista hasn't done a whole bunch. It's a shame because I really DO like Batista, but I think he needs a good angle to get him going.

Anything that DOESN'T involve HHH, will be BURIED by HHH. I think Cena is the ONLY one that HHH put over, but Cena was the SUPER face already so he really had no choice.

But explain this... Explain if HHH can put Batista over, or even Cena over, and in a way that benefits Batista and Cena, then WHY he can't do it to Orton? What is HHH's win over Orton going to do other than HURT Orton's character?

It's simple, ORTON is a THREAT to HHH and HHH's SPOT. And HHH will not let his spot go until he wants to let it go.

You want WWE to succeed? Then people like Orton, Edge, Cena, Jeff, Rey, Punk, Jericho, and so forth need to be the FACES of WWE. WWE fans from YEARS AND YEARS in the past tune in and see HHH with the title, and they are like "He is STILL the champion?"

It's rediculous..

Bottom line, i'm tired of the same CRAP. People talk about Cena constantly winning.. Talk about HHH keeping people down and HHH CONSTANTLY winning. I know it's a constant argument, but come on.. Orton wins the Rumble, gets pushed up the GAZOO takes out ALL the McMahons, and yet here comes HHH and NOTHING comes out of it. No twists or turns, not even a REALLY good match.. Just a simple HHH beats Orton, and HHH wins AGAIN.

It's like HHH 72, Orton 2, and one match was at the house show I was at when HHH lost to Orton.

I'm sorry, but out of EVERYTHING they could have done, I think WWE could have done SO MUCH more to end the great WRESTLEMANIA.. But instead, it was nothing out of the ordinary..

ONCE AGAIN, HHH reigns supreme...

And WWE wonders why ratings are dropping...

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

The Worst Result was HHH beating Orton clean. I mean, what logic was there in doing that? If Orton wins, he's launched into the stratosphere as one of the best in the business today. Everyone's chasing him, including HHH. Where do they go from here? Honestly. Where? Raw will be interesting tomorrow. That's for certain.

 

[BigRed007]

You people who get a hard on over Orton are all probably crying. Of course Orton didn't win. He retained his title last year because he wasn't in the main event. The heel has only won the main event one time retained his title and that was the WORST ending to a Wrestlemania ever.

 

[DD84]

Here is another one. I understand that you "need" one diva match every Mania, but come on man. You keep that match on, which does nothing, there is no history towards that. While the unified Tag Belts get bumped off, really. During this match I went to the bathroom, that is how interesting it was to me. No belts on the line or anything, not even Trish or Lita or hell, even Chyna. That would have been interesting to see, Chyna back in the ring.

 

[DhA]

You people who get a hard on over Orton are all probably crying. Of course Orton didn't win. He retained his title last year because he wasn't in the main event. The heel has only won the main event one time retained his title and that was the WORST ending to a Wrestlemania ever.

True, guess who that was again. HHH needs to fuck off he's stale as shit, him winning as the face wasn't even a feel good moment. I honsetly would have preffered Cena's win to end the show.

 

[Y4J]

You people who get a hard on over Orton are all probably crying. Of course Orton didn't win. He retained his title last year because he wasn't in the main event. The heel has only won the main event one time retained his title and that was the WORST ending to a Wrestlemania ever.

I hate when people don't use facts and go off of "facts" like "people who get hard over Orton." The reason we get "hard" is because Orton is an AMAZING heel and talent. And HHH buries him UNFAIRLY.

If you wanted to end the show with a face winning, have CENA as the main event. He IS the biggest face in the WWE (Whether we wanna believe it or not, it's true and just live with it)

Which once again proves ANOTHER point.. To AVOID this whole angle, Why wasn't the main event involving Orton and a BIG young face? If Orton is the NEXT big heel in the business, why not have him fight the next big FACE or THE big face, and let WWE be fresh? Like Cena? Or Jeff? Or even Rey. The 3 biggest FACE draws in WWE.

Yea, Cena and Orton has happened already, but so has HHH and Orton.. And not just that, it's HHH BEATING Orton AGAIN! At least Cena and Orton exchange wins and losses and so forth.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

Triple H beating Orton clean was definitely the worst result. Seriously, Triple H is nothing but a glass ceiling on Orton's career. Whenever Orton builds momentum and rises to the top, Triple H is there to shove him back down. Orton was pushed to the moon over the past few months. He returned from a long injury and won the Royal Rumble, he got his own stable, and took out the most powerful family in the business. Then what? He loses CLEAN to Triple H at the biggest show of the year and of all time. I'd really like to see where WWE goes with this because they just dropped the ball on Orton again.

 

[btalru07]

I dont understand why I have to see another Triple H reign? Geez I stopped following wrestling back in 01 when I moved over seas. I come back and in 03 to see evolution and triple h holding the belt. I come back to wrestling the next year to see orton droppin the belt to triple h. I get back into wrestling last year to see orton injure himself and drop the belt to triple h, and now I have to see this. I have to see the guy spit out water from outside the ring....again. Hell even randy orton changed theme songs, switched up his poses, changed gimmicks, and developed into a better entertainer.

 

[Y4J]

I dont understand why I have to see another Triple H reign? Geez I stopped following wrestling back in 01 when I moved over seas. I come back and in 03 to see evolution and triple h holding the belt. I come back to wrestling the next year to see orton droppin the belt to triple h. I get back into wrestling last year to see orton injure himself and drop the belt to triple h, and now I have to see this. I have to see the guy spit out water from outside the ring....again. Hell even randy orton changed theme songs, switched up his poses, changed gimmicks, and developed into a better entertainer.

This is the PERFECT example why WWE doesn't succeed. People constantly COME BACK to see the SAME SHIT.

On behalf of WWE fans, i'm sorry HHH only thinks about himself.

BTW, btalru, you should go to wwe.com, and give feedback and say the exact thing you said here.

Everyone else should to. let them know they screwed up BIG time..

 

[btalru07]

This is the PERFECT example why WWE doesn't succeed. People constantly COME BACK to see the SAME SHIT.

On behalf of WWE fans, i'm sorry HHH only thinks about himself.

BTW, btalru, you should go to wwe.com, and give feedback and say the exact thing you said here.

Everyone else should to. let them know they screwed up BIG time..

yeah i know, i want to support the product which nearly WAS my childhood, yet cant come to grips on why it chooses to be so redundant. BTW i dont think anyone in WWE is actually paying attention to the fans. Most of em are either concerned about their jobs or pretending to be as big as stars as Flair, or Austin. Whatever it is that compels the higher ups to continue another Triple H reign should be stopped. Another Triple H reign is like another DX reunion, watered down, boring, and a "safe" choice by the writers whenever they cant think of anything else to come up with

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

The Wrestlemania matches on paper didn't seem to be too good. I expected the match itself on the actual event to be better, but boy was I wrong. C.M. Punk winning the Money in the Bank two years in a row was something I was not expecting, and I'm sure others weren't either. Since Jeff Hardy was supposed to win last year, but Punk got it instead, I guess this was the year that Punk was really suppoesed to win. When he gets his World Title shot, maybe he'll be booked better. Triple H retaining the WWE Championship against Randy Orton was my prediction. I was pulling for Orton the whole time, while knowing that HHH would win. With Orton as the Rumble winner, I was really hoping he would win. Oh well, the fued is supposed to continue, so maybe it will end with Orton winning the WWE Championship.

 

[slayerofpanda]

is Wrestlemania really supposed to end with me and my girlfriend sitting there saying "that's it?"

really stupid finish, I wish HHH gets another injury because its the only way he will go away from the ring, maybe something like stone cold where he has to retire.

fuckin hate this shit.

 

[SinCityBlitz]

This is the PERFECT example why WWE doesn't succeed. People constantly COME BACK to see the SAME SHIT.

On behalf of WWE fans, i'm sorry HHH only thinks about himself.

BTW, btalru, you should go to wwe.com, and give feedback and say the exact thing you said here.

Everyone else should to. let them know they screwed up BIG time..

I agree with it all but that first sentence really nails it. Btalru07 is right. It's the SSDD when it comes to the WWE anymore. Just leave it for a while and come back and it's the SSDD.

I am just glad I don't bother with their PPV's anymore or tonight I would have been royally pissed.

 

[hhhfan14]

Ok, lol, dont let me be rude about this one, but the better question to this post would be what was the best part of mania, as their would be only one or two spots, unlike your question, which could be answered by every single match on this, and im forgetting again, are we talking about Wrestlemania, or was what happened tonight an ecw show that was put on for PPV, no wait a minute im pretty sure more people would have been excited and felt better about spending money on that show, than this bs that was forced down our throats, only good part was austin into HOF

 

[Kliq]

I am very confused, how was HHH's win clean? He hit Orton with the hammer while the ref was out.

 

[Y4J]

I am very confused, how was HHH's win clean? He hit Orton with the hammer while the ref was out.

Which will PROBABLY be Orton's complaint in getting a rematch and making the next match a no DQ match.

The fact is, HHH standing over a BEATIN Orton.. That's not just a clean win.. It's an embarrassment..

 

[Y4J]

I can't make a new thread because I don't have enough posts, but I DO want to point out that DISPITE the HORRIBLE ending of Mania, I don't want it to overshadow the fact that HBK and Taker was an AMAZING match, and possibly one of my top ten or even top FIVE matches of all time.

I was exhausted after the match. Great entrances, great story, great drama, and great finish.

 

[slayerofpanda]

O yeah and one last thing, worse than the main event was the little tidbit.....

during hardy v hardy they had to wipe matt's head cuz he was bleeding!!!! What the fuck I saw miss kittys tits on PPV 8 years ago or so, now I can't even see a smidge of blood. Fuck PG

 

[Diablosbomb]

I hate that Triple H won AGAIN....but will everyone stop saying he did it CLEAN? How is hitting Orton in the face with a sledge clean?

I would say Triple H winning was the worst, but i knew it was gonna happen...
I would say Cena winning was the worst, but again, i knew it was gonna happen....
The WORST win of the night....C.M. Punk. He is a former World Champ, that's all the reason they need to put him back in the main event. In the MiTB you had Christian, MVP, Shelton Benjamin and Kofi Kingston. While Kingston isn't exactly main event worthy(yet) the others are. And with someone else winning you have a new face in the main event scene, instead they all get shoved right back into the mid-card and we get C.M. Punk again.

I like Punk, I was happy last year when he won, but he should not have taken it again.

 

[ztwhite]

I'm going to say this delicately so I don't piss off the entire IWC - HHH is the champ, has been the champ and will continue to be the champ whenever he wants.

Personally, I enjoy watching the man wrestle, but I also understand where each and every single one of you are coming from.

From my own personal standpoint, HHH is the Hulk Hogan for a new generation. He refuses to put another wrestler over for some odd reason, albeit he did put Batista and Cena over.

If you look back at the '80's, Hogan rarely lost the belt and never to a heel. The only people I personally ever remember him dropping the strap to are Warrior and Savage, and I may be wrong about Savage.

Do I think Orton should have won ?? Not necessarily. BUT he never should have lost clean to HHH. This storyline was set up perfectly for a great six month feud that could culminate in Hell in a Cell.