Worst Date for TNA PPV

[lonewolf1231]

First thread, here goes nothing...

Last weekend, I was looking for No Surrender listings, thinking it was on the 4th. Couldn't find anything, let it go, moved on. Started thinking about it. They picked Sept. 11th to put on a PPV. One of those, "Are you serious?" moments.

Granted, they do have to work around WWE's PPVs. And once Sunday comes around, both TNA and WWE are gonna take hits because of Sunday Night Football. But, to pick the 11th, of all dates, seems to me like the worst night, with football's first week, and all the 9/11 tributes that are going to be on, and as far as I know, TNA is not doing anything 9/11-related during the PPV.

So, my questions are:
1) Do you think TNA would benefit by moving their PPV's to Saturday nights instead? Then they would only have to work around UFC's schedule (which I don't think is anywhere near WWE's fanbase) and they would have to compete with college football (which is nowhere near as popular as the NFL.

2) Does TNA need a shot in the arm, a really big change, to maybe boost ratings/morale, like how they tried to go live on Monday nights?

 

[Mikael941]

I think if TNA wanted to keep the date 9-11-2011, they should have had it as a benefit PPV with all proceeds going to Ground Zero Families, hold it in New York, make the gate free, and put on a SuperCard, the positive press would have been priceless. Here you have Hulk "Mr America" Hogan and Kurt "Olympic Gold Medalist" Angle and both are heels, not a mention of the anniversary of the WTCs at all in the build up. For goodness sakes they could have held the PPV on a military base and had more people attend. Doesnt Hogan know anything about promotion all those years in the WWE??? I am so disappointed in TNA right now. Hogan I love him but he needs fired, same with Russo and Bischoff, along with the Over 40 club members. I smell WCW all over again.

Fire the above fellas, hire Heyman, give him all the power, go live on Thursdays and out of the soundstage into a live arena. Scour the Independents for some fresh faces and bring in new folks and build a new talent base before its too late. May be already.

 

[Casban]

Im in the UK but i can image that the 9/11 tributes is something alot of the american people do watch because it was the biggest, most upsetting and terrifiying thing to happen to America and shocked and change the world forever. so it would make complete sense to move the day to Saturday and like you pointed out its only UFC that it would be in the way of which is not a problem and doesnt have to compete with the NFL which has been proved to take a slighty reasonable dent into the TNA ratings so they would bennefit for sure. maybe the difference wouldnt be very big, maybe it would be but either way it wouldnt hurt or cost anything to have done the PPV a day earlier

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

I was surprised as hell when I found out this event was on 9/11... granted 9-11 is not yet a national holiday, so let's be honest, how many people are going to be out of their normal routine (I don't think it's right, but it is what it is). But they are still going up against week 1 of the NFL, what did they do, book this when they thought there was going to be a lockout? I really hope that is the case, bold move, backfired big time though. And Dallas is playing the night game, usually a huge ratings draw. Another issue I have with their 9-11 date is that on FB they made a point to mention that Rosita will be on a children of 9-11 special, which I thought was great, and it was such a sad story and show overall. But, she said herself that wrestling was her dads fav and she is gonna spend the day wrestling for him, but looking at the TNA card, it won't be with them. I thought this was a shame, they could have gave her a small moment on the card imo, not to make money, not to market it, just to give it.

As for moving to Saturdays, I think they should. UFC and Boxing are both on saturday and they do fine, I remember back in the day ordering survivor series on wednesdays and halloween havoc whatever day it was so long as there wasn't some other major conflict.

 

[wrestlemaniac]

i dont get it. what's the shock? it's wrestling on a sunday... I mean, ok...so it's 9/11...yea... So everything is just suppose to freeze because of it...not including football huh...lol gimme a break. I know neal is healed up...crimson is ready to go. idk maybe tna will do something. I watched the 9/11 special last week on nbc during raw and mnf...rosita is a 9/11 kid...maybe tna will do something with her. I remember inc inc turned face as soon as osama was killed due to neal...maybe same thing will happen w mexican america because of rosita...or maybe she'll break away into singles

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

I see it where as if all we did was mourning on 9/11 (tomorrow) then how is that America is suppose to move on and grow stronger from this tragedy. I understand it has been ten years and this is a crucial time but, we need to move forward and show the world that America is still the strongest country in the world. let us enjoy our god darn Football and Wrestling will ya! It may hurt ratings or it may not even take effect. We will just have to live our lives and give our sympathies to the fallen. And I been wondering about them switching to Saturdays, I just think UFC would kill them ratings wise so it might be better they stick to Sundays.

 

[SaveUsCMPunk]

i dont get it. what's the shock? it's wrestling on a sunday... I mean, ok...so it's 9/11...yea... So everything is just suppose to freeze because of it...not including football huh...lol gimme a break. I know neal is healed up...crimson is ready to go. idk maybe tna will do something. I watched the 9/11 special last week on nbc during raw and mnf...rosita is a 9/11 kid...maybe tna will do something with her. I remember inc inc turned face as soon as osama was killed due to neal...maybe same thing will happen w mexican america because of rosita...or maybe she'll break away into singles

Ink Inc. were faces well before Osama was killed. I don't think O' Neal has been a heel since he was with that faction of him, Rhino and Team 3-D. (Unless I'm forgetting something.) I do sort of remember Shannon Moore hinting at turning heel last spring I believe by having him steal Scott Steiner's headgear and O' Neal playing the sensible one of the team.

Anyway, back to topic, wrestling PPVs happen on Sundays. September 11th just happens to be on a Sunday this year. That's just the way it is. I'm sure they'll make note of the anniversary on the PPV broadcast.

 

[PompeyDJ]

no disrespect intended, but there's nothing wrong with having a PPV on this date. yes, 10 years is a milestone but that means that people have had 9 years of mourning. i'm pretty sure everyone wants to move on from those events. the 9/11 attacks shouldn't mean that nothing can ever happen on that date ever again. the events were terrible and shouldn't be forgotten but tna aren't doing anything wrong. moving on doesn't mean forgetting

also, the no surrender logo is in the colours of the american flag. so that's a little tribute

 

[Casban]

I agree there is nothing wrong with putting on a show on 9/11 , I am from England so i dont quite know how many people in America watch the tribute shows and if theres one going on during TNA. but it the majority do watch a tribute show then it wouldnt make much buisness sense, the same goes for the NFL its not secret that its like one of the biggest things in america so it would make no sense to go against that unless you can help it. but i do agree that things shouldnt freeze just because its 9/11. there cant be nothing on TV all day

 

[Pedigree1]

Here in America tomorrow as i type this anyway its a huge day!! Yes its first full sunday of football and 10 years since that horrible tragedy!!! I dont put too much salt into TNA having their ppv on that day but at least they could do something you know!! Offer free admission to NYPD NYFD or helpers at ground zero!! All procedes go to the victims of 9-11! Something like that would put major major good time PR on TNA!!! In this life your offered very few opportunities to stand out and TNA could have stood out!! I mean hell its gonna be all over TV tomorrow the rebuiding of ground zero which is beautiful by the way!! Its not too late TNA to be noticed do something or be forgotten!!!

 

[lonewolf1231]

I wasn't saying there was anything wrong, or offensive, with having the PPV on 9/11. I was thinking in the terms of business, they're going up against a lot that will hurt their ratings.

 

[HiddenInPlainView]

I have no problems with there being a PPV on 9-11. But i think what the OP was more asking is if it makes much business sense? And no it does not!! Sure the hardcore TNA fans are gonna be watching, but someone like me who is more of casual TNA fan will not be. It will be facing all the specials of the tragedy, but you have to remember that it isn't only a football game but "America's Team" playing in New York. You also have Sunday Night baseball on ESPN featuring the Mets in New York. I just think that the average fan is going to be more inclined to tune into one of the other options.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

It's not really that bad. What's the name of the PPV? No Surrender. What's the theme/colour scheme of the PPV? Patriotic American colours. It's not on the same scale, but it seems to be similar to the first SmackDown after the attacks where there was a feeling of, "We're going to carry on regardless because we wont let this stop us."

As for TV scheduling, there are inevitably going to be butting up against a myriad of programmes about the terrorist attacks, but unless there is a specific programme on at the same time as No Surrender which would tap significantly into the TNA demographic then they may not be too bad.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

It doesnt really matter. the theme of the ppv is red white and blue. the freakin name implies that america has not surrendered. I dont know when the foorball game is on since i dont like football but im sure tna will manage their usual buyrate. As long as they do something for 9/11 like a video package before the show (which is likley to happen) then im fine with it being tonight.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So what if PPV buys for this PPV maybe will drop just because it's on 9-11? I'm pretty sure Hogan, Bischoff, and Dixie thought about this when they set the date a long time ago. It doesn't matter to me if they do or don't something regarding 9-11. It's not like the hardcore TNA fan is going to say, "I'm outraged. They didn't do anything for 9-11. I'm done with TNA." I can't wait for the TNA bashing around here if they don't do something.

 

[Clare]

it is not wrong TNA PPV being on September 11 but i really hope they have some sort of tribute just like the WWE did days after the horrible day. i can remember they superstars lineing up on the ramp maybe something along the same lines or a video of the roster talking there minds about what it means too them as i am sure that some of the roster like bully ray devon are from NYC i dont think they puty it on sept 11th delibratly but 2nite could be the night for TNA 2 shine and do america proud with a fitin tribute too all thosse who lost there lives

 

[VinnieSunshine]

You have to look at it as, maybe 9/11 was the only date they could get. WWE has Night of Champions next Sunday on 9/18. I dont know what was going on last weekend...maybe TNA couldn't do it schedule-wise.

Im perfectly fine with them doing a PPV tonight. Like others have said, football didn't stop today, why should everything else. America needs to prove to the world that we will continue with our lives each year on 9/11. We will remember and pay tribute...but as the old saying goes, and like WWE proved on September 13, 2001...

THE SHOW MUST GO ON!

 

[The Suplexer Perfecter]

Unbreakable 2005 was on 9/11. No one bashed that PPV from what I remember.


There is no rule that says you can't hold some kind of event on 9/11. It's still a day in the calendar, even though that tragic event happened.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

Oh for satan's sake, so what if TNA has a PPV on 9/11? If it was WWE everbody would be cool about it. Does it really matter ? No, see yes it was a tragedy but to suspend all activity because of this will only inflame racism. Let the people enjoy their lives and watch whatever they want to watch.

 

[lonewolf1231]

When I made this post, I wasn't talking about how wrong or inappropriate it was for it be on 9/11. I was just talking on the business side of things, they were going to take a ratings hit with everything else that's going on tonight.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The main problem is that TNA will likely attempt to do a tribute of some kind. They're mostly a classless organisation so they'll maybe work it into an angle or it'll just come off as incredibly insincere. The best thing to do would be to start with the national anthem and leave it at that.

 

[Dizzy]

Are you people serious? 9/11 is a holiday just like Memorial Day, Veterans Day. There is no rule that says any events cannot be booked on 9/11.

The 9/11 memorial show goes from 9am to 2pm. THAT'S IT. It's not a all day affair.

There is NFL, MLB and Tennis games currently going on at this very moment. Why the hell would a wrestling PPV be such a problem?

Threads like this are damn near sad. I mean come on. The PPV airs at 8pm, not am. There is over 300 shows that isn't covering 9/11 airing currently, should they be canceled too?

The PPV is fine. I'm sure they will do a moment of silence or something. It's not like they book it on 9/11 every year.

The main problem is that TNA will likely attempt to do a tribute of some kind. They're mostly a classless organisation so they'll maybe work it into an angle or it'll just come off as incredibly insincere. The best thing to do would be to start with the national anthem and leave it at that.

Lol Are that much of a hater? Why would they do an angle on a PPV? If they were to do some 9/11 tactic, it would have been done weeks ago. Rosita lost her father in 9/11, do you really think they would do a parody of her death? Jesus Christ, you all need to get a grip.

Classless? What exactly have they done that is classless? Classless is using Eddie's death to push a wrestler. That's a example of a classless move, TNA has not done anything of that sort. ROH has never done anything of that sort.

Please, use REAL facts and terms when discussing pro-wrestling instead of bias that holds on grounds.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Why would they do an angle on a PPV?

Why would they indeed. Would you be surprised if they did? I wouldn't be.

If they were to do some 9/11 tactic, it would have been done weeks ago. Rosita lost her father in 9/11, do you really think they would do a parody of her death? Jesus Christ, you all need to get a grip.

Why would you do something a few weeks ago when you have a show on an actual anniversary date?

I didn't watch the show, but I've read a few reports. Now I understand that from reading I might have misinterpreted what happened somewhat, but from what I've read they utilized Rosita, a heel, as a way of making their tribute feel more heartfelt.

Classless? What exactly have they done that is classless?

Didn't TNA do a storyline where Winter was drugging Angelina Love a few months ago? Most people were condemning that angle because of the high death count within wrestling relating to substance abuse. Pretty classless, in my opinion.

Classless is using Eddie's death to push a wrestler. That's a example of a classless move, TNA has not done anything of that sort.

TNA capitalized on the death of Eddie Guerrero by featuring Hector Guerrero on TV! Several months late, admittedly, but that is the TNA way, hombre.

 

[Dizzy]

Why would they indeed. Would you be surprised if they did? I wouldn't be.

That's pretty stupid thinking. But I should expect it from your kind.

Why would you do something a few weeks ago when you have a show on an actual anniversary date?

You just said an ANGLE. Meaning it would unfold towards the date. Not on the exact date going after.

I didn't watch the show, but I've read a few reports. Now I understand that from reading I might have misinterpreted what happened somewhat, but from what I've read they utilized Rosita, a heel, as a way of making their tribute feel more heartfelt.

Somewhat? They opened with the entire roster (non-kayfabe) with a moment of silence on the stage with Rosita in front and center.

Then at 10pm they had JB backstage interview introducing her as Thea Trinidad which is her real name (non-kayfabe) discussing her father who passed in 9/11 and whatnot.

Total classless move by TNA, right?

Didn't TNA do a storyline where Winter was drugging Angelina Love a few months ago? Most people were condemning that angle because of the high death count within wrestling relating to substance abuse. Pretty classless, in my opinion.

I'm sorry but since when a spell is drugging someone? Seriously, do not comment if you do not watch or don't want to comprehend. Atleast, I understand everything in WWE before I comment good or bad about it.

TNA capitalized on the death of Eddie Guerrero by featuring Hector Guerrero on TV! Several months late, admittedly, but that is the TNA way, hombre.

Did they give him the World title? Sell merchandise? They are featuring Hector now. Does that mean It's tied to Eddie's death?

Nice try.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

That's pretty stupid thinking. But I should expect it from your kind.

First of all where do you get off judging other people in these forums!? It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if they tried to run an angle off of this. After all, Fit Finlay was fired from WWE for having Miz interrupt the National Anthem.

You just said an ANGLE. Meaning it would unfold towards the date. Not on the exact date going after.

If TNA was going to do a 9/11 angle...it wouldn't make sense for them to do it weeks before. An angle can start at a PPV. May I remind you that it was at SummerSlam the Nash/Punk/Triple H angle started.

Somewhat? They opened with the entire roster (non-kayfabe) with a moment of silence on the stage with Rosita in front and center.

Then at 10pm they had JB backstage interview introducing her as Thea Trinidad which is her real name (non-kayfabe) discussing her father who passed in 9/11 and whatnot.

Total classless move by TNA, right?

While TNA used her to reflect, it would've been nice to see more. Sprinkle in some quick interviews from some superstars about where they were that day or how they felt. From what I read, they just kind of did a quick 1 and done deal. If it had been the 7 year or 9 year I could see that...but this was the 10YEAR ANNIVERSARY. The whole day of sports paid tribute. Every NFL and MLB game did some sort of tribute.

I'm sorry but since when a spell is drugging someone? Seriously, do not comment if you do not watch or don't want to comprehend. Atleast, I understand everything in WWE before I comment good or bad about it.

I agree that storyline was inappropriate. She was DRUGGED. There was no need for that story. They could've had Winter blackmail Angelina Love or something. That was classless in my opinion.

Did they give him the World title? Sell merchandise? They are featuring Hector now. Does that mean It's tied to Eddie's death?

Ill agree with you on this point only. TNA featuring Hector was nothing. Unless he came out and trashed WWE and praised Eddie in some light then I could understand. But I didn't watch TNA that much during that time to know the extent of what went down during that time.