Worst BIG name wrestler ever

[CCS]

This thread isnt about just a overall sucky wrestler (Snitsky , Boogeyman ,etc) This thread is about the worst big name popular wrestler who wasnt a good in ring wrestler.


I'm going to go with Lex Luger. He was getting monster pushes through his entire career just because he had a good physique. He could have worked to get better technical skills but he didnt. He had the opportunity to become one of the greatest wrestlers ever but i think he would have rather partied than improve in the ring. Even though the WWF and WCW both gave him mega pushes he never did get over. I blame it on his lack of charisma and athletic ability. But even though he lacked bieng a natural he could have learned from veteran wrestlers on how to improve. Lex Luger is basicly one of the biggest wastes in Pro Wrestling history. He had multiple chances to take the ball and run with it , But he failed every time.

 

[klunderbunker]

THat would be the ultimate Warrior. Not for his lack of charisma, as he had more than almost anyone of all time, but as far as in the ring, he was awful. Completely dangerous more often than not, and his offense was limited at its absolute best, comprised of mainly the occasional punch, a clothesline, a shoulder block, a slam and a splash. I've said it before and I'll say it again: anyone with a splash as their finisher isn't a good in ring worker, with a very few exceptions. WIth the other choices at least they have a few in ring attributes worth mentioning, but Warrior has none. He was a gym rat that was told he could wrestle, and little more.

 

[Shocky]

The Ultimate Warrior. If there was ever a guy that was a giant stincky steaming pile of crap in the ring, it was this guy. This guy was flat out atrocious all the way around. His matches were monumentally terrible, his promos were ungodly uncomprehensible, and his depth of character was about as deep as a shallow wad of spit. Why the Ultimate Warrior was over, was beyond me. I grew up with him, and despised it. The Ultimate Warrior is a perfect example of one of those guys that star shone the brightest, but luckily for us, it burnt out quickly. The Ultimate Warriors fans simply grew up and realised how terrible he was before it was too late.

 

[Castleraegh]

It was a hard choice between Luger and Vicious for me. But, Sid Vicious i was a bit of a fan of so had some degree of overness. Luger was a completely in-effective character and watching him made you want to take a leap off a tall height.

 

[Mustang Sally]

What about Hogan?

After all, this thread isn't about the impact made by the performer, it's about the worst in-ring wrestler.

Hulk had the most boring repertoire I've ever seen, his matches were short in duration because of his lack of stamina, and his "performance" consisted of a series of inept brawling moves followed by that damn leg drop that brought him victory after victory.

I've got to hand it to him, though...... the fans loved it. He gets points for getting the most out of so little. Still, he was the worst big name wrestler I ever saw.

 

[psykohurricane]

If your talking about the all around aspect (merchandise sales, charisma, wrestling ability) Than i would probably have to go with Sid Vicious simply because out of all the name mention here, he the guy that drew the less amount of money for any company he was in. That how a see it because if you go simply on in ring talent, all these guys are pretty equal. None of them would be able to pull a scientific wrestling match if somebody ask them to. They all go a couple of power move in the repetoire and they know the basic but that'S about it. So that why i based my choice on the guy that had made the weakest impact on the industry and that'S Sid Vicious.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Why in the frick is Goldberg on this list? I implore you to actually watch one of his matches before you refer to him as a horrible wrestler.


Ultimate Warrior - Atrocious. Perhaps the only guy I've seen mess up more is Sabu, and at least that guy messes up some really complicated spots. Ultimate Warrior botches Gorilla Press Drops...and splashes.

Kevin Nash - Not really sure why he is on here either. The guy isn't supposed to be performing picture-perfect take downs and submissions...he was supposed to be big and slow and kind of klunky. I never thought the guy was atrocious...he was as entertaining as he needed to be, and he could definitely pull of basic moves like a sidewalk slam/jackknife.

Goldberg - This is just stupid. If I had the ability to change the poll, I would be removing him. How shameful and irresponsible.

Lex Luger - Again, not necessarily your poster boy for "catch-is-catch-can" style wrestling, but the worst big name? Torture Rack is one of the most underrated moves of all-time, and the guy still has one of the best clotheslines of all-time. Sounds to me like you are just picking on some guys that don't have the most fluid styles.

Sid Vicious - See Luger.

Batista - You have to be joking me, right? Batista is as solid as anybody in the main event scene, today. This is another one that should be stricken from the poll.

Andre the Giant - Again...are you expecting Andre to be pulling of Hurricanranas? Make Andre on SD v. Raw and you can do that. Otherwise, the guy suffered from gigantism, yet is still referred to as one of the most entertaining guys in the history of the business. I don't see how you can classify the guy as a horrible wrestler.

 

[Slyfox696]

Why in the frick is Goldberg on this list? I implore you to actually watch one of his matches before you refer to him as a horrible wrestler.


Ultimate Warrior - Atrocious. Perhaps the only guy I've seen mess up more is Sabu, and at least that guy messes up some really complicated spots. Ultimate Warrior botches Gorilla Press Drops...and splashes.

Kevin Nash - Not really sure why he is on here either. The guy isn't supposed to be performing picture-perfect take downs and submissions...he was supposed to be big and slow and kind of klunky. I never thought the guy was atrocious...he was as entertaining as he needed to be, and he could definitely pull of basic moves like a sidewalk slam/jackknife.

Goldberg - This is just stupid. If I had the ability to change the poll, I would be removing him. How shameful and irresponsible.

Lex Luger - Again, not necessarily your poster boy for "catch-is-catch-can" style wrestling, but the worst big name? Torture Rack is one of the most underrated moves of all-time, and the guy still has one of the best clotheslines of all-time. Sounds to me like you are just picking on some guys that don't have the most fluid styles.

Sid Vicious - See Luger.

Batista - You have to be joking me, right? Batista is as solid as anybody in the main event scene, today. This is another one that should be stricken from the poll.

Andre the Giant - Again...are you expecting Andre to be pulling of Hurricanranas? Make Andre on SD v. Raw and you can do that. Otherwise, the guy suffered from gigantism, yet is still referred to as one of the most entertaining guys in the history of the business. I don't see how you can classify the guy as a horrible wrestler.

What he said, with the exception of his position on The Ultimate Warrior. Seems you've been watching too much "Self-Destruction".


As far as worst? Well, if we can include Kevin Nash on the list, then we can include Rob Van Dam on this list. Rob Van Dam was simply awful. Horrible wrestler, spotty as hell, a walking botchfest, and the poster child of non-psychology. Nothing was more apparent that RVD was a screw-up than the circumstances surrounding his dropping of the title.

Unless I think of someone else, I vote RVD as the worst.

 

[Big Sexy]

Rob Van Dam was simply awful. Horrible wrestler, spotty as hell, a walking botchfest, and the poster child of non-psychology.

There is not an intelligent argument that can be made to say that RVD was the WORST big name wrestler. He might not have been one of the best but he is far from the worst. He had a unique style and he took a lot of risks, so there were sometimes when a botched a move, but he was still one of the more exciting wrestlers ever. As much as I liked the Ultimate Warrior character he was just horrible in the ring. I don't think there is any match that he did (not counting his one minute squash matches) where he didn't botch at least one move. And it's not like he's doing anything that hard. I've seen him botch suplexes and press slams. The Ultimate Warrior is the worst big name wrestler.

 

[Slyfox696]

There is not an intelligent argument that can be made to say that RVD was the WORST big name wrestler. He might not have been one of the best but he is far from the worst. He had a unique style and he took a lot of risks, so there were sometimes when a botched a move, but he was still one of the more exciting wrestlers ever. As much as I liked the Ultimate Warrior character he was just horrible in the ring. I don't think there is any match that he did (not counting his one minute squash matches) where he didn't botch at least one move. And it's not like he's doing anything that hard. I've seen him botch suplexes and press slams. The Ultimate Warrior is the worst big name wrestler.

Wrestlemania 6 and 7 alone put Ultimate Warrior ahead of Rob Van Dam, and that doesn't include some of his matches against Rick Rude.

How can you say Warrior was horrible in the ring? Because he worked a power style? Because he put on two of the best matches of all time at the biggest events of all time? Because he gave his fans what they payed for every night? And, I can't believe you're using the "botch" argument against Warrior, in favor of RVD.

"But he had a unique style". Who gives a fuck? He still botched, and still had terrible psychology.

Trying to argue RVD ahead of Warrior makes about as much sense as trying to argue bubble gum ahead of steak as fine dining.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I still think Warrior was dismal, but there's no question that he was much more over than RVD ever was. RVD's overness was almost completely determined by ECW marks and the fact that he had a cool frog splash.

What takes the cake is that RVD might be the worst ever on the mic. Warrior was so much better on the mic than people give him credit for. The dude was bizarre and represented his bizarre persona with a bizarre style of interviews.

If Warrior's promos were crap...then so were Savage's...because they are almost identical.

 

[Big Sexy]

Warrior was in great matches, but they weren't great because of his wrestling ability. I liked the Ultimate Warrior character as did most fans, and that is why the matches were great because he was so loved by the fans that they loved seeing him come out with big clotheslines and body slams. They didn't care what the moves looked like as long as he was knocking his opponent on his ass. But none of that makes him a great wrestler, it makes him a great performer. And there isn't anyone who can argue that the Ultimate Warrior wasn't a great performer. But as far as actual wrestling ability goes he was horrible. There are a lot of other superstars who are power wrestlers that are still crisp in the ring and don't botch that many moves. i.e. Hulk Hogan, Batista.

 

[Big Sexy]

If this was a thread about who was more popular, who had better mic skills, and who was a better performer then the Ultimate Warrior would win hands down, but this is about wrestling ability and RVD was a better wrestler then the Ultimate Warrior.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I've sat and watched this little tyraid of wrestler bashing long enough and now it's time for me to put my two cents into the argument.

Now ALOT can be said about Andre, Warrior, Sid, Luger, Nash, and a host of other old school "wrasslers" as being bad, but the thing about it was that it was a sign of their times. I mean name me one wrestler over 250 lbs. that wasn't bad. Hercules? Bad. Hillbilly Jim? Bad. Hogan? Bad. Vader? Bad. Pretty much all of them were bad. But they were booked as such and still got over doing it. But the one wrestler on this list who has no fucking excuse whatesoever is Batista.

I mean we live in a day and age where any big man has access to archives to be able to view how other big men got it wrong. The thing about Batista is that his fucking ego won't allow him to do such. I mean shit, he no sells moves. He isn't any better on the mic. And he looks like complete shit. I mean he doesn't even shave or look halfway decent anymore. He looks like the old janitor at your local high school. Yeah, you know the guy. The one who used to play football, but fucked up his knee during his senior year and never went off to college but then ended up going from job to until he finally ended up working back at the same high school where he was once the shit and has to look at his old trophies and has flash backs while watching the football team practice on the field while at the same time getting a boner from checking out the underaged girls in cheerleader uniforms? Yeah, that's him. He has sloppy execution and looks like he smells like shit. Either that or showers with Baston Booger. Yeah, that pretty much sums up Batista in my eyes.

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

Can anybody tell me why the OBVIOUS CHOICE (Hulk Hogan) isn't on this list!? But with what I have to choose from, I'll go with Andre The Giant. The BIG MAN thing was apparently unheard of back then, but... What the F!@K?! He was TERRIBLE! With a capital "shitty"!

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Can anybody tell me why the OBVIOUS CHOICE (Hulk Hogan) isn't on this list!? But with what I have to choose from, I'll go with Andre The Giant. The BIG MAN thing was apparently unheard of back then, but... What the F!@K?! He was TERRIBLE! With a capital "shitty"!

The reason why Hogan isn't on the list is because none of the the other big men have done what Hogan did, and that was to help wrestling cross over into main stream culture. His movie, tv show, and merchandise single handedly built the house of McMahon and Bischoff. So while you are thanking him for making it possible for the average wrestling fan to know who those others were, then make you kiss his ass and give him a reach around as well.

Also, you DO know that "other" means that you can pick and talk about Hogan right?

 

[jmt225]

Wrestlemania 6 and 7 alone put Ultimate Warrior ahead of Rob Van Dam, and that doesn't include some of his matches against Rick Rude.

I'm not even going to include his matches in ECW because I know you will shit on them with false logic, but I would say RVD's matches against Jeff Hardy, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesnar, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, HHH, Christian, Shelton Benjamin, John Cena, Kurt Angle, Edge, Randy Orton and Big Show put RVD ahead of Warrior, easily. Even if you want to wrongfully claim RVD was carried in a lot of those matches, I guarantee Warrior still couldn’t have the same quality of matches against said individuals.

How can you say Warrior was horrible in the ring? Because he worked a power style? Because he put on two of the best matches of all time at the biggest events of all time? Because he gave his fans what they payed for every night? And, I can't believe you're using the "botch" argument against Warrior, in favor of RVD.

I won't shit on Warrior because I was a huge fan when I was a kid, but there's no way he was better then RVD.

And the reason Big Sexy brought that up was because as he said, RVD botched complicated spots that are hard to pull off for anyone, whereas Warrior would botch simple moves. Also, I would claim that RVD didn't botch often his last few years in WWE. It was in ECW where he botched around once a match.

"But he had a unique style". Who gives a fuck? He still botched, and still had terrible psychology.

I can see how one would make an argument RVD had bad psychology in ECW (though he actually didn't, because he was catering to fans who wanted what RVD gave), but no way in WWE. All those matches I mentioned had psychology and hardly any botches.

Also, the simple fact that WWE tends to put RVD's matches on a bunch of different DVDs they release shows that he was superior to Warrior, as really the only match outside of his DVD that has been featured on any DVD is him vs. Hogan.

RVD's overness was almost completely determined by ECW marks and the fact that he had a cool frog splash.

Oh, come on now man. That's one of the most ludicrous statements I've ever read.

So, let me get this straight, every time a full WWE arena would chant "RVD", it just so happened that it was only ECW fans filling up those buildings every single night? Yeah… okay.

RVD was over with WWE fans. And that's a fact.

What takes the cake is that RVD might be the worst ever on the mic.

RVD might not be the best promo cutter, but he's no where near being the worst. People marked for his stoner-like promos.

Also, RVD has charisma out this world. No one can deny that.

Warrior was so much better on the mic than people give him credit for. The dude was bizarre and represented his bizarre persona with a bizarre style of interviews.

I agree with you here though. It's easy to laugh at them now, but back in the day, you were just mesmerized when the dude would ramble on and on.

 

[Skillz]

Honestly, this thread is bordering on being ridiculous. It seems that what defines a big name wrestler who isn't a good wrestler is one who is either a) a big wrestler, b) a power wrestler, or c) a big power wrestler. This logic is completely ridiculous for obvious reasons.

The whole point, the whole purpose of wrestlers such as Warrior/Goldberg/Sid/Batista etc, is to destroy their opponents quickly with impressive looking power moves. That is exactly what their characters are supposed to do. They are not supposed to fucking chain wrestle for 20 minutes. If they did that, that would make them bad wrestlers because they would not be wrestling how their characters are supposed to wrestle. All of these "big power" wrestlers that have been mentioned do not fall into the category of worst big name wrestlers. They all played to their charcters well, and got consistently good crowd responses for doing it.

How anyone can say the Ultimate Warrior is one of the worst big name wrestlers of all time is simply laughable. He had not one, but two of the best matches not only in WrestleMania history, but pro wrestling history, period. Those two matches at WrestleMania's 6 and 7 are better than any two Shawn Michaels matches, better than any two Triple H matches, better than any two Undertaker matches, better than any two Kurt Angle matches, better than any two Ric Flair matches, and so on and so on. Only Hogan, Savage, Hart and Austin could be argued as having two matches that were as good as or better than Warrior's two at WM's 6 and 7, in terms of great storytelling and compelling drama. That alone takes Warrior completely out of this argument.

As for who really is the worst big name wrestler ever, RVD must be right up there. I have to agree with Slyfox here, RVD was atrocious, and there are no two ways about it. No psychology at all, just spot after spot after spot. Awful wrestler. Kane is another one, who is an absolute pile of shit in the ring. He hasn't done anything of any quality in the ring, ever. And he doesn't even play to his character properly. Those low dropkicks he does are just stupid, and very uncharacteristic of a supposed "monster".

 

[Sparky]

For me it has to be Kevin Nash. the guy is god hopeless. he is a disgrace to people his size and bigger. It surprises me that he is still wrestling. He has always been Stiff in the ring and was hopeless on the Mic. I have not seen one match of his that is worthy of even a two star match (IMO)

I used to think it was a good thing that HBK introduced him to the WWE but that was until i saw some of his older stuff and started watching TNA. the guy really should just give up his day job.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm not even going to include his matches in ECW because I know you will shit on them with false logic

Not at all.

They just suck. No false logic there, they're just terrible.

but I would say RVD's matches against Jeff Hardy, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesnar, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, HHH, Christian, Shelton Benjamin, John Cena, Kurt Angle, Edge, Randy Orton and Big Show put RVD ahead of Warrior, easily.

You can say they are, but that doesn't change the fact they are not.

Even if you want to wrongfully claim RVD was carried in a lot of those matches, I guarantee Warrior still couldn’t have the same quality of matches against said individuals.

Sure he could. How hard is it to have a bad match?

However, let's presume, merely for arguments sake, those were all decent matches. Would you not agree though, that none of them compare to Warrior vs. Hogan or Warrior vs. Savage? Furthermore, would you not agree that RVD had MANY more opportunities to put on PPV matches than Warrior did, considering Warrior basically had Wrestlemania or Summerslam to put on those matches, whereas RVD had a weekly TV show and a PPV every month to do it?

I won't shit on Warrior because I was a huge fan when I was a kid, but there's no way he was better then RVD.

In what way can RVD be better?

And the reason Big Sexy brought that up was because as he said, RVD botched complicated spots that are hard to pull off for anyone, whereas Warrior would botch simple moves.

He did? What simple moves did he botch? Please give me a match link and point them out. I would love to see them.

Also, I would claim that RVD didn't botch often his last few years in WWE. It was in ECW where he botched around once a match.

You're kidding right? One of the worst botches of all time came when RVD tried to back spin heel kick a chair Angle was holding, and completely missed.

I can see how one would make an argument RVD had bad psychology in ECW (though he actually didn't, because he was catering to fans who wanted what RVD gave), but no way in WWE. All those matches I mentioned had psychology and hardly any botches.

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you even understand psychology? Let's take, for example, the ECW/WCW Invasion angle the WWE did. Did you not find it funny how RVD could NEVER get booed? Why do you think that is?

It's called "poor psychology". It's about not understanding how to WORK, just knowing how to do a bunch of flips and high jumping.

Also, the simple fact that WWE tends to put RVD's matches on a bunch of different DVDs they release shows that he was superior to Warrior, as really the only match outside of his DVD that has been featured on any DVD is him vs. Hogan.

Ignoring the ridiculousness of making this an actual point, we have to go back to, once again, the number of big-time matches RVD had the chance to compete in, compared to the number Warrior did. Not only that, RVD is obviously in much better standing that Warrior with the WWE, and I think we both know how the WWE likes to spin their history (Randy Savage).

At the end of the day, this isn't even a contest. Once you get around these ridiculous preconceived notions about Warrior's quality, it's obvious to see he was a better worker than RVD.

Honestly, this thread is bordering on being ridiculous. It seems that what defines a big name wrestler who isn't a good wrestler is one who is either a) a big wrestler, b) a power wrestler, or c) a big power wrestler. This logic is completely ridiculous for obvious reasons.

That's generally how it goes on wrestling forums.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Wow, what a great read this has been. Time for my two cents.

People who are saying Warrior is the worst ever have some good points. But they are wrong.

People who are saying RVD is the worst ever have some good points. But they are also wrong.

The correct answer - the only answer - is Sid Eudy. The man was a walking and talking disaster. A human botch-fest both in the ring and on the mic. The fact that he had perhaps the most perfect professional wrestling "look" in history is the end-all, be-all reason for every one of his pushes.

Does anyone remember Sid's nearly paralyzing botched powerbomb on Brian Pillman?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxU4iYgcumQ[/youtube]

And then, of course, the snapped leg from the 2nd rope. If you are squemish, don't watch this video!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXfs6JuVq8[/youtube]

And yet, the man is a 4-time World Champion.

He also delivered 3 powerbombs to Shawn Michaels during Michaels' face turn in April of 1995, which legit injured Shawn's back and screwed up the main event title picture. How uncool.

And though I couldn't find the YouTube video (I will post it when I do), I couldn't resist this little microphone gem:

"Nash, you know and I know that you are only half the man that I am... and I have half the brain that you do."

Hall and Nash couldn't contain their laughter at the botch. The crowd roared at the mistake, Hall had to turn around to avoid laughing right at him, and Sid just kept on with this bead-sweat pouring from his face.

Folks, in terms of "big name" wrestlers, Sid is the worst ever.

 

[DC24]

Fuck it I will say its Ric fucking Flair. I swear I watched the same boring fucking matches from him for 20 years of my fucking life I swear. The man can cut a promo but in the ring all I saw was the knife edge chop, a low blow, him getting thrown into the turnbuckles him flipping up side down over then getting clothsline off the ring, more knife edge chops then a figure 4 leg which the first time gets reversed then finally they submit. Boy and everybody swears he's better than Hogan get the fuck outta here he couldn't lace Hogans boots on a bad day. I'll watch Sid over Flair anyday.

 

[Big Sexy]

Please give me a match link and point them out. I would love to see them.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...wkz_ultimate-warrior-vs-randy-savagetit_sport

Go to 4:15 into the video and you'll see Warrior try to catch Savage off the top rope and completely miss, but that happens a lot so I'll let it go. Then about 10 seconds after that he tries to put Savage in the tree of woe, but he doesn't put his legs near the top rope so his legs can't get hooked and he ends up dropping Savage on his head. Then at 9:15 of the video he goes for a suplex and it was pretty bad.

 

[tehblogger]

Highly entertaining thread. But over the entire course of a career, I'd say the answer has to be Ric Flair. It's not my place to dump on his achievements from the 70s and 80s. But throughout nearly all the 90s and all of the 2000s he flat out sucked. Horrible repetitive boring slow matches, lots of botches, all culminating in a truly shitty match with HBK at Mania where even HBK's A-game couldn't get anything out of Flair other than a turdfest.

 

[Slyfox696]

The correct answer - the only answer - is Sid Eudy. The man was a walking and talking disaster. A human botch-fest both in the ring and on the mic. The fact that he had perhaps the most perfect professional wrestling "look" in history is the end-all, be-all reason for every one of his pushes.

Does anyone remember Sid's nearly paralyzing botched powerbomb on Brian Pillman?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxU4iYgcumQ[/youtube]

And then, of course, the snapped leg from the 2nd rope. If you are squemish, don't watch this video!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXfs6JuVq8[/youtube]

And yet, the man is a 4-time World Champion.

He also delivered 3 powerbombs to Shawn Michaels during Michaels' face turn in April of 1995, which legit injured Shawn's back and screwed up the main event title picture. How uncool.

And though I couldn't find the YouTube video (I will post it when I do), I couldn't resist this little microphone gem:



Hall and Nash couldn't contain their laughter at the botch. The crowd roared at the mistake, Hall had to turn around to avoid laughing right at him, and Sid just kept on with this bead-sweat pouring from his face.

Folks, in terms of "big name" wrestlers, Sid is the worst ever.

No offense, but you couldn't be more wrong.

Sid Vicious was FAR better than people give him credit for. Yes, he did some dumb things (such as the "half the man you are"....hilarious), but the man played his character better than anyone this side of Jake Roberts. When you watch Sid Vicious, you know you're watching one bad ass dude. He was believable and he was real.

Which is why he is far ahead of RVD, whose working style made a mockery of pro wrestling many times.

Oh, and as far as the broken leg thing goes, how is that even his fault? His knee just gave way. Has nothing to do with Sid. Not only that, he didn't even want to do the move, he was FORCED to by management. That's been well documented.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...wkz_ultimate-warrior-vs-randy-savagetit_sport

Go to 4:15 into the video and you'll see Warrior try to catch Savage off the top rope and completely miss, but that happens a lot so I'll let it go.

I guarantee you trying to catch a 250 pound man is far tougher than doing a back handspring, for which you say is "complicated".

But, you said you'll let it go, so we'll see.

Then about 10 seconds after that he tries to put Savage in the tree of woe, but he doesn't put his legs near the top rope so his legs can't get hooked and he ends up dropping Savage on his head.

He wasn't putting him in a Tree of Woe, he was body slamming him against the turnbuckle.

That's not a botch at all.

Then at 9:15 of the video he goes for a suplex and it was pretty bad.

How was the Warrior's fault? All he is supposed to do is pretend to lift. Savage is the one who is supposed to make the move look "pretty".

So, not only have you not proved you position about botches, you've also proven you don't really understand that much about pro wrestling. Congratulations.