Worst BIG name wrestler ever

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What about HHH, maybe not the worst but surely a contender?

I mean he's never been a huge draw and although he's not had a run with the title as shockingly bad as anyone on this list, he wins the award for having the most consistantly medicore title reigns. Not one of his reigns has been entertaining, just very ordinary, boring, almost instantly forgettable ones. So much so that nowadays when he wins the title no-one really cares. So for been consistantly bad HHH should get an honerable mention, he hasn't really had many great feuds and barely any great matches. That been said HHH as a face sucks far more than heel HHH, I'm at a loss as why they use him as a face, he is at least bearable and occasionally quite good playing the heel.

 

[The Roid Rage]

WOW! You guys got really sidetracked with that whole pissing match. Now, I am going to tell you all the truth of the subject and your probably not going to like it so bear with me.

Before I give you the big enchilada I want to address topics of some of the wrestlers mentioned and defend them.

#1. Kevin Nash. I will defend Nash to the grave. One of my favorite of all time easily. You can say what you want about him in ring and bitch and moan that he wasn't a really technical guy, but what the hell do you expect from a 7ft tall 300 pound guy? Nash's in ring style complimented his size and actual physical prowess perfectly. All a guy like that has to do is what he did, beat people down with his sheer power and size. That is why a guy like him doesn't need to be a technical wrestler of sorts, he is already so big he doesn't need to do those type of move. Generally a more technical style is used to create the illusion of slowly breaking a guy down, Nash never needed to do that. Because he is so big anything he does to you should seemingly inflict a lot of damage. Also, earlier in his career and by that I mean Vinny Vegas days up to Diesel days in WWF, it wasn't all that uncommon to see Nash put someone in some kind of leg lock or some kind of ground move or hold to break a guy down. I don;t think it was until his knees really went to shit that his performance may have slipped at all and still his sheer size is all he needs. He is a spectacle in and of himself, he doesn't need to be fancy. He's a big strong bad ass who can level you in no time flat. As for his Mic skills and earning ability he is actually pretty good on the mic. His promos as Diesel were alright, he got pretty good in WWF, and then I think he did his best stuff in WCW. Remember the 4 horsemen skit? That was beautiful, and they did a lot of funny stuff that he pulled off well, and a lot of serious shit that came off good. As far as the earning potential goes, Nash is one of the highest earning wrestlers in the history of the WWE, that's just a fact. He sold more merchandise in his time as champion in WWF both I.C. and World than anyone except Stone Cold. That puts him over Hogan, Michaels, Hart, The Rock, Triple H, Undertaker, etc.... Then when you look at WCW figures, forget about it. The Outsiders and the whole NWO thing and Wolfpack thing that he was a main player in made that company millions on top of millions, so I think it is hardly fair or accurate on any level to try and put Kevin Nash up as one of the worst big men ever. If anything he is at least if not the best, one of the best.

#2. Triple H. Now I know he wasn't necessarily one of the main guys in the topic but he was mentioned a few times and I think everything said was pretty bogus in reference to him and his ability and match history and so on. This guy above my post said first that he has never been a draw??? That's funny because Triple H is easily one of the top 3 most popular guys in the company now and unless you were hiding under a rock during the attitude era Triple H was the fucking man, him and the rock during 99-01 were the biggest things in the business. And, don't forget about him heading DX for quite some time and being a main eventer then as well. Few people have the resume of Triple H, and few people have drawn as big as him consistently over a period of time. Remember when he came back from his first quad surgery? One of the biggest ovations ever, period. But supposedly he has never been a big draw and it's not like he was the WWE champion for most of the year either, I guess that doesn't count for drawing power, or the fact that when he came back from his second quad surgery everyone went fucking nuts for him, or what about at Wrestlemania when he headlines with John Cena and the entire crowd cheered for Triple H and booed Cena the whole time, or maybe the last Royal Rumble Where Cena returned and the whole "Booo, Yeaah, Booo, Yeaah" chants got going in favor of him. I guess that is all a lack of drawing power and popularity.

The next accusation towards Triple H is that he has had all the most unmemorable title reigns of all time. I beg to differ. Sid, had a very unmemorable title reign, Shawn Michaels had unmemorable I.C. title reigns and I am sure one of his World title reigns weren't that meaningful and memorable either, Bret Hart had a meaningless one too, what about The Rock??? He had the title a bunch of times, I don't remember any of them being a huge deal. Or how about Jericho, most unmemorable title reigns of all time right there easily with his I.C. runs and world title runs. There are a lot of guys who have done worse than Triple H ok. I am not saying ever title reign was the stuff of memory but he has had 12 of them for starters, that's just world titles, and some of them were huuuuuge. His big run around 02-03 where he had the title for like a year, that was big. Only a handful of guys have had the privilege of holding the title that long, and it's a short list. As for entertainment value the whole Evolution thing with his as champion was great, and his feuds with Foley, The Rock, Angle, Jericho, Batista and John Cena have all been great and he also had one of the greatest feuds of all time with Shawn Michaels during a title reign.

It was said that his title reigns have been so uninteresting and boring and so on that no one even cares when he gets the title now. Once again I beg to differ. When he won it from Randy Orton and No Mercy, everyone went nuts and he won it defended it, and lost it in the same night after 3 matches, it was amazing. Then when he got it this last time, that was an even bigger deal. Hell, since he came back from his last quad surgery the fans had been practically begging for him to get the title, then after the No Mercy thing demanding that he get the title back as the majority of people pretty well viewed his as the legitimate champion. Once again when he cam back from his first Knee surgery that was huge too, everyone wanted to see him get the belt or loose it to The Rock, the point is that people have always been interested in Triple H and his role as the champion or in the title picture.

The Next accusation is that he has had no good matches. Pllleeeeaaasseeee. Every Hell in a Cell he has done was great, his elimination chamber matches have been great, every match with Cena has been great, every match with Jeff Hardy has been great, his matches with Shawn Michaels are revered as some of the greatest matches of all time, his Wrestlemania match with Benoit was an amazing match, and so on and so on and so on. He has a long resume of great great matches. To say that Triple H hasn't had any good matches is so far off the mark I can't believe anyone would ever entertain the idea.

Last argument to him is that he is a better heel than a face and that it is ridiculous to have him as a face. Well, some of that is not his fault. Right now and for the last few years it's just been that the fans love this guy too much. It''s kind of like Shawn Michaels, he can do no wrong in the eyes of the fans, they just love him. They even tried to make him the heel in the feud with Cena but the fans booed Cena and Cheered Triple H. Him and Cena were actually laughing in the ring about it. Truth be told, Triple H can do either and now he is so popular it will be hard to ever make him a true heel again.

Finally that is all on Triple H.


#3. Batista. I don't know why people are so down on Batista, he may not have started out so great but he has developed into a pretty well rounded wrestler. Nowadays he can have a good match with just about anybody. He is one of the most improved wrestlers I have seen, him and Cena. Batista hasn't really botched a move that I have seen recently or for a while. He isn't the greatest on the mic but he doesn't really need to be either. He is kind of like Bret Hart on the mic in the sense that he just kind of says what he thinks and tells you what he's going to so and so on, nothing too fancy there. And still he is getting better with the mic skills too, it all takes time and Batista has been turning into a really good wrestler over the last 2-3 years. I give him a lot of props. He could probably sell a little better but not much, he does everything pretty good. I'm not saying ho does everything perfect but he does everything at least good enough. A lot of folks like to complain about his style too, I don't get it. What more could you want for a character like Batista? He's big, he's strong, and he'll wreck your shit quick, he don't fuck around, he's The Animal, you don't fuck with The Animal. He goes in there, does what he need to do, and gets the job done. The only thing about him is his health. He has been pretty injury prone and it's hurt him. If he can stay healthy he could be around for a while.

#4. Ultimate Warrior. C'mon, don't hate on the warrior. For his time he was one of the most exciting people any of you and I ever saw. It didn't matter than Bret Hart or Mr. Perfect could wrestle circles around this guy his character wasn't meant for that. He delivered his character perfectly and as for his in ring ability after a while he actually became somewhat of a total package in the ring and was able to carry on a decent match and look good doing it. He was't as bad as people seem to recollect.


OK folks, here it is just as I promised. The Big Enchilada as I put it. The one who truly is the worst of the big men.
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GOLDBERG!!!!!

Easily Goldberg. No and I mean NNNOOO mic skills, at all and he could have used it. Why? Because, he was so horrible in the ring. He was so bad that guys in WCW used to get pissed off when they had to have matches with him because he was so bad, he didn't know what he was doing, or the proper way to carry on a match or anything, he was careless and dangerous, it was so bad people couldn't stand having to lose to him because he was horrible, anyone he faced had to feed him the match. He was just a big deal because of the hype machine that was WCW and all the hype they put into him. For god sake, his big streak was a fluke, and on top of it all he destroyed Bret Hart and ended his career, all because he had shitty timing and was careless in the ring. Fro, what I heard he hurt a lot of guys, because he was stupid, completely devoid of any skill. You ever notice that he was always in with guys who were pretty damn good unless it was one of his 1 second squash matches where all the guy had to do was take a couple moves??? Why else as well do you think his matches were so short most of the time??? Because he couldn't wrestle a full match properly. His two biggest matches were horrible. 1. His big match with Hogan where he first won the title from him, it was a big moment in WCW storyline wise but the match was horrible and stunk the place up. 2. His and Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania 20, most people call it the worst match in Wrestlemania history and it wasn't Lesnar's fault, just a year prior he had one of the best matches ever with Kurt Angle and had a ton of other great matches. Goldberg simply can't wrestle. Sure he was popular in WCW and all that but it had nothing to do with his in ring ability that is for sure. One time William Regal went out on live T.V. if I remember correctly and was supposed to basically have a squash match with him, instead he took Goldberg to a damn wrestling clinic and made him look so bad the fans and everyone in the back didn't know what to think, after making it obvious that he could demolish this guy in the ring Regal basically just laid down for him and made it obvious that that was what he did to expose him. That's pretty fucking pathetic. I don't know how much more there is to say, I think the evidence speaks for itself. So there you have it, he is without a doubt the worst of the big men.

 

[Tastycles]

I really can't believe that the Warrior is "winning" this thing. He may well be a grade A prick, but he is certainly not the worst wrestler of all time. The job of the wrestler is to sollicit a reaction from the crowd. To say the Warrior does not do this is completely ficticious. In his Royal Rumble 1991 match against Sgt. Slaughter he is more over than Hogan during the rumble itself. The Warrior was hugely over and he was technically no worse than Hogan, The Rock or Cena, and they are rightfully not on this list.

Sid is crap, but you can't judge him on forgetting his lines - Hogan forgot his all the time, such as forgetting Saddam Husseins name during Desert Storm.

You can also be a high flying heel, otherwise Lucha Libre wouldn't work at all.

Now there are a few people who's hat I'd like to throw into the ring. First up is Vince McMahon. He has won the Rumble, major titles and all without being very good in the ring at all. That being said, he does get a huge reaction.

I'd also like to suggest Ric Flair. I only started watching WCW in the late 90's, so I only ever saw the hiptossin, back body droppin, knife edge choppin, oldest player in the game era Flair. However, I'm willing to grant that he was probably much better in the past (although in Royal Rumble 1992 he is hugely overrated).

However, my actual choice is Goldberg. He was over, granted, but not as over as he should have been considering WCW were pushing him to the extreme. With the push they gave him, Chuck Palumbo would have been over. However, he didn't know how to play the crowd, and he couldn't hold a match together. I used to dread him coming on WCW because he would just annihilate people but without the storytelling of earlier dominant faces like Warrior and Hogan.

 

[pyrusane]

I'll agree with Goldberg being the worst. The man had some decent ability, but he was so damn green that when he did something really cool it only served to highlight how crappy he was the rest of the time. That first match on Nitro, when he beat Hugh Morris, was his third match ever!!! There is no reason why he should have been getting that big a push and that much exposure with so little experience. And once he started believing his own hype, he stopped even trying to get any better. I've been following the whole Sid/RVD/Warrior debate, and one thing that all three of those guys had in common, whether you think they were good or bad, whether you think they "had accidents" or "botched moves", they all went out there with the intent of entertaining the fans. They were all out there because they were doing what they loved to do.

Goldberg, on the other hand, could care less about the fans. He was there for the paycheck, no more, no less. I'm not guessing here, these are his own words. In an interview with PWI about a year after the buyout of WCW, he was asked why he sat at home collecting his paycheck from Turner instead of taking the buyout and going to work for the WWE. His response was why should he care what the fans wanted, he was getting paid either way, he might as well just sit at home.

Finally, as far as exposing the business...I remember a pay-per-view, can't remember which one, but it was during the New Blood era...the main event was supposed to be a triple threat with Goldberg/Nash/Steiner. Goldberg didn't show up until halfway through the match, and Shiavone put it out that he was in a motorcycle wreck earlier that day. Never been sure if this was a work or if he just showed up late and they tried to cover it up. Anyway, the finish was supposed to be a Nash powerbomb on Goldberg. Nash got him in position, when Goldberg just backed up out of it, turned around, left the ring, and walked to the back. Completely no-sold everything that had happened up to that point. Russo met him half-way up the ramp, screaming at him to go back and take the powerbomb, Goldberg flipped him off, told him to fuck off, and left. Nash and Steiner had to muddle through a new ending and the whole thing just looked awkward after that.

So yeah, Goldberg gets my vote...

 

[pyrusane]

Wow IC are you seriously saying you don't know why they called Benoit 'the Crippler'? 20 seconds into a match with Sabu in ECW, Benoit grabbed his leg as if he was going to execute a shinbreaker, but instead threw Sabu over his head like some weird suplex variant, and instead of landing on his back, Sabu landed on the top of his head while his body was at a weird angle and snapped his neck..... 20 seconds is all it took for Sabu to break his neck, and that's where the nickname 'the Crippler' came from, courtesy of Paul Heyman creating a gimmick out of a horrific accident.

I just went to YouTube and watched this match. Benoit totally botched the move, no telling what he was doing, but this is NOT how he got the nickname the Crippler. The reason I say this is as he is entering the ring, Joey Styles says "As you can see, Crippler Chris Benoit hits the ring and does he look ready for action." He calls him the Crippler all throughout the match in fact. I doubt he got the nickname because of an accident that wouldn't happen until two minutes later.

Just my two cents...

 

[Captain Charisma.]

Do you really want to know the worst in my opinion?

I didnt think so.

But the worst BIG name wrestler in my opnion. Is Kane.

He can't draw worth shit, he hasn't drawn in ten years. The last PPV main event he was in he was the one in a Triple Threat Match to make Goldberg look better and give HHH the title.

He always gets to much credit for being so agile, no. He does one slightly agile at once agile but now very sloppy. His dreaded clothesline.

He hasn't had a good feud 2004! FIVE YEARS!

He can't talk worth shit.

And he is always carried in matches.

So there.

Kane=Overrated

 

[Tenta]

.......... Well, this got out of hand very quickly.....

All right, I'm going to throw out a name that hasn't been said yet. And when you hear it, people are going to shit all over it, but I really don't mind. I was never truly a fan of Yokozuna. I know, he's six hundred pounds, and he really wasn't meant to be a technician, he was meant to be big. Blah, blah, blah. But if you look at most of his title defenses, they either included a lot of stalling, or he was usually involved in tag team matches. Look at his match with Taker at the Royal Rumble. Even with how slow the two usually moved, the match just seemed slow in general. He had decent matches with Bret, but it wasn't like they were the most memorable of matches. His best matches were, at best, extremely average. I'll grant, he knew how to use his weight, and I never expected too many dropkicks from him. But as a wrestler, I don't really think he's any better than Diesel. Plus, if you want to talk about a move that's scary to consider as a botch, how about the Banzai? Consider the evidence. This is how a normal Banzai looks from Yoko:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgBf1K-7eGs&feature=related

Here are some examples of botches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU-HWTNahKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYt9T_q1oc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVnV9VRSY0&feature=related


Usually when Yoko pulls one of these Banzais, he lands with his feet. There's really no help the other can give. If Yoko screws up this move, it's completely on him. I don't care who you are, 600 pounds on anyone is going to cause a lot of damage.

I know he's beloved in the WWE circles, and that people will disagree with me to a large extent. I just wasn't that big a fan of his. He does do a lot of things well. He has an intimidating look, and he had nice facials. But otherwise, as a worker, I just don't see the fuss in him.

 

[Green Hero]

Bret Hart This man ego was so big that he is best know for refusing to put even his own brother over, Was there not one match he did not complain to Vince about.

He hated wrestling his brother to the point where the same night to basically try his brother a jobber he won the WWF title even though he was not suppose to be in the main event.

He change the ending to his match with Austin at WM13 just so he did not look like a loser and because he though Austin did not deserves to face him

and The Big ONE refusing to drop the title to HBK before leaving for WCW because he wanted to go out on Top and not put over the talent What a selfish Human being

THEN

he goes to WCW and bury half of the wrestler there too including my favorite DDP

 

[Tenta]

Bret Hart This man ego was so big that he is best know for refusing to put even his own brother over, Was there not one match he did not complain to Vince about.

He hated wrestling his brother to the point where the same night to basically try his brother a jobber he won the WWF title even though he was not suppose to be in the main event.

He change the ending to his match with Austin at WM13 just so he did not look like a loser and because he though Austin did not deserves to face him

and The Big ONE refusing to drop the title to HBK before leaving for WCW because he wanted to go out on Top and not put over the talent What a selfish Human being

THEN

he goes to WCW and bury half of the wrestler there too including my favorite DDP

Sigh................................. Even if half of what you just said had ANY validity to it, let's look at the title of this topic:

This has everything to do with one's ability IN THE RING. Everything you just mentioned is outside the ring/politics. The only one of those I'm willing to even somewhat agree with you on is Survivor Series 1997....

HOWEVER, I'd like to know what makes him a worse WRESTLER than Nash (Which, by the way, if we're going to use your logic, then I suppose he and Hogan are just as bad wrestlers as Bret Hart is ), Goldberg, or any of the others mentioned.

Please, stay on this topic for this one..... This is in ring ability. Bret Hart's moves fit him perfectly as a character. so he's the worst big name wrestler how?

 

[Tenta]

Why no, my name's William, thank you very much.....

Now then, I knew you were going to throw out this little "fact". Did Hart repeat himself in his matches? Absolutely. Everyone does, Genius.

Look at the best:

Hogan: Get pounded, Hulk Up, Punches, Big Boot, Legdrop, Pin

Ric Flair: Chops, Flair's flop, Goes over the top turnbuckle when he's being sent into the corner, rake the eyes while pleading for mercy

Undertaker: Choke, punches, Old school, Chokeslam, Tombstone

Everyone has a moveset that works for them. Why? BECAUSE IT GETS THEM OVER! All of the best have a moveset of like four or five that work for them in every match, and that they can execute to perfection. Some built a career off of only those moves (Cough..... Goldberg...), but for the most part, some wrestlers (if not all, really) have moves they do every match because those moves get them over.

And then, little spot monkeys like you, who are mad they the wrestlers don't go flippity-flippity-flop all the time in their matches say "this guy only has three or four moves". go watch some Bret Hart matches. Watch him against Mr. Perfect in MSG. Then come back and tell me he only has five moves.