WM 29: Team Hell No (c) vs. Ziggler & Big E. Langston [Tag Team Championship]

[DaveB]

It was made official that Team Hell No will face Big E & Ziggler for the tag straps at Mania.

A few questions....

Does this guarantee than Team Hell No will breakup & feud with each other or will they breakup & lose the belts to RhodeScholars in th near future?

Will Ziggler win the tag straps & cash his MITB briefcase in or will he accomplish only 1 feat?

Thoughts?

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

First up. This is a PERFECT match. You've got the workhorse mentality of ziggler, the technical know how of Bryan, the experience of Kane and the power of Langston. This is a great match to showcase all of that.

Ziggler....i still feel a cash in is imminant. They've been teasing more. So here's what I say. Open wm with this match. Dolph and big e LOSE. Dolph cuts a promo about his losses lately, Big E walks away from him, with aj in disgust. Dolph is shown, head down. Swagger beats Del Rio, Ziggler cashes in. This would be the perfect end to wm for dolph.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

This is a great match. None of the wrestlers deserve anything more. Team Hello No should be in a tag match, Ziggler should be in filler and Langston will be making his debut in a title match which he'll probably win.

This match will be interesting on so many levels. Team Hell No split and one member possibly turns heel. New tag team champions and Ziggler cashing in his Money In The Bank will hang over the show. I actually hope Ziggler cashes in. If he does and wins he will have had one of the most successful WrestleManias ever.

Also I know his shot if for the WHC but maybe WWE could have an angle where Ziggler cashes in after the Cena/Rock and we find out he struck a deal to use his briefcase to face any champion. Should Ziggler close Mania holding a world title? Probably not, but there would be no better way to get him over as a star. Especially if he then went on to defeat The Rock or Cena in his first title defence at Extreme Rules.

 

[Wolf Pac]

It's a good match, but if Ziggler wins the tag titles and the world title at Wrestlemania, will he even have time for the tag team division? Not likely. I know the division is in the shitters again right now, but the WWE could always begin working on it again after Wrestlemania is over, and the last thing it will need is a world champion who really doesn't have time for the division as it's champion. I'd say Team Hell No should win but I read a report recently that WWE are planning on having them break-up at Mania and the only way I see that working would be to have them lose the belts which causes their split. Them retaining then breaking up wouldn't make sense. This is why I wish they had gone with Bryan vs. Kane and Ziggler vs. Jericho instead.

I guess maybe they could hold off Ziggler cashing-in for Extreme Rules. If he & Big E. win the tag belts, they could lose it shortly before or at Extreme Rules before Ziggy wins the world title, and Team Hell No can split at Mania.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

There was a point in late 2001 where Ziggler was pulling double duty on a couple of PPVs. They could have him do that again.

To be honest, he could just feud with the World Championship whilst holding the tag team titles. The belts, in thory, should be elevated just by being around the weight of the World Champ. He could start PPVs in a simple tag match primarily used to give Langston the rub and then defend the WHC later in the show. There wouldn't be much need for them to book much in regards to the tag titles.

 

[The Butcher]

Well, I guess I'll be that guy, because as it stands right now this is my least anticipated match of the show. I've loved Team Hell No's antics, but now that they're playing it straight, it's definitely time for a split. I've loved Ziggler's matches and selling, but ever since the feud with Cena ended, he and his cohorts have been bordering on irrelevancy. I'm not at all saying this is going to be a bad match, but I seriously doubt it will get the time it deserves for Bryan and Ziggler to really ply their craft. I won't be taking a piss break during the match, but I have no investment in it as it stands right now.

Does this guarantee than Team Hell No will breakup & feud with each other or will they breakup & lose the belts to RhodeScholars in th near future?

It doesn't guarantee a break-up, but I hope they split for Bryan's sake. I don't know where Team Rhodes Scholars comes into this, but I'm pretty sure that they'll drop the belts to Ziggy and Big E. If they feud after they split up, that'd be fine. Dr. Shelby as a special guest ref at Extreme Rule in a straight jacket match sounds fun.

Will Ziggler win the tag straps & cash his MITB briefcase in or will he accomplish only 1 feat?

Oh, that's right, Ziggler is Mr. Money in the Bank. Easy to forget that these days. I wouldn't be surprised if he does both, but I think he and Big E win the tag titles while saving the MITB contract for another day. WWE needs to rebuild the fact that Ziggler is Mr. MITB. It hasn't been put over enough, and while it would fine if they sprung it on us, it would also be anti-climactic, IMO.

 

[TheHorndogSays]

Even before this match was teased I said that this match should be the Shield vs Hell No with the 2 biggest groups of 2012 battling it out. It had a much better chance of being viewed as a top match plus the Shield can only beat Sheamus so many times.

I personally don't see Ziggler cashing in regardless of the outcome of this match. I just don't see where he would fit in well to the Del Rio/Swagger feud. This fact is a shame though because it kinda devalues MITB. "Oh I have this world title shot but I am NOT going to use it at Mania and instead will wait PAST mania for a lesser PPV". I think back to Kennedy who from the day he won would tease every week "I will cash in at Mania". Of course that went didn't go the way Kennedy hoped.

As for this match itself, I don't see Dolph and Langston winning. I do feel they have bigger plans for Dolph and I don't see any added bonus of the tag straps. If Dolph and Langston do win the fact that they are still the tag champs could be overshadowed by Dolph being MITB. The only way I could logically see Hell No losing would be if they had plans to put the US strap around Langston and Divas around AJ then you could have them say they own ALL the gold similar to HHH/Austin/Steph.

 

[Mustang Sally]

It's a good match, but if Ziggler wins the tag titles and the world title at Wrestlemania, will he even have time for the tag team division?

If I had to pick whom I thought was riding the catbird seat in WWE, I'd choose Dolph Ziggler. Man, the company must love this guy. The way his dance card at WM29 is set up, he's winning at least one championship .....and possibly two.

I think he's definitely going to cash in MITB; why put him in a tag team match as his scheduled event instead of a high-profile contest, as befitting his uber-favored status? The tag title doesn't really mean anything, does it? Still, even if he tries to cash in MITB and loses, he can be a tag team champion. Or, if he wins the tag title, he can lose the MITB cash-in, which is what I hope happens.

Is it possible for Dolph to lose two title matches in one night? Sure, it's possible, but the winning streak they've put on him the past few weeks tells me the company has decided his time has finally arrived.

I'll never figure why they want to send this perennial mid-card guy to the top, but it seems apparent they do.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I agree that this is an interesting match, one that should also be pretty good as well.

A few weeks ago, it seemed certain that WM would be Team Hell No's last dance but I'm not so sure now. It wouldn't bother me to see them retain at WM, especially if WWE intends to get the tag team division back on track. At the same time, Ziggler & Big E. make an interesting team. It seems likely that they'll win the match as I don't see WWE handing Big E. a loss in his very first match on the main roster.

As others have mentioned, this raises questions as to what's going on with Ziggler. Could he ultimately wind up being a dual champion? Could he leave WM as both World Heavyweight Champion & one half of the WWE Tag Team Champions? Could he & Big E. leave with the titles and Ziggler cashes in MITB at a later time, possibly post Extreme Rules?

I have to say that there are several matches on the card this year in which the outcome is in legit question, which is a good thing. Hopefully this match will get some decent time. It's been a while since the tag titles have been on the line at WM, especially when they meant something.

 

[TLC]

I'm actually looking forward to this match. It gets Ziggler, Kane and Daniel Bryan all in a good spot on the card and Langston gets a great first match in which he could actually win the tag titles.

The match itself I think will be very entertaining. If they let Bryan and Ziggler wrestle most of the match then it's guaranteed to be good, Big E Langston can showcase of his strength and Kane can be used for the hot tag. It should be a lot of fun. Hopefully it'll open the show and get it off to a good start. As for the winners, I see Big E and Ziggler win as I can't see Langston losing just yet and Ziggler needs some sort of relevance. Plus it would question whether or not Ziggler will cash in on that night.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

It's an interesting match given the side storylines: Imminent breakup of Team Hell No, Ziggler with the briefcase, possibility of a dual champion.

What I think they will do is have Team Hell No retain (but they'll feud amongst each other) and they'll have Big E Langston get so pissed at Ziggler that after the match AJ and Big E will leave (with Big E possibly beating up Ziggler). Then later in the night, Big E will show up at the end of the ADR-Swagger match, beat up ADR, Ziggler will come storming down to the ring, cash in the case and win the World title. Then AJ, Big E and Ziggler will celebrate. Then on RAW the next night, Ziggler and Langston (or another tag team will win the tag team belts and Team Hell No will officially break up.

This is classic WWE: "fool" us into thinking that Big E and AJ are pissed at Ziggler and have Ziggler lose the tag team match so we "forget" about the MITB, only to have them "make up" in the locker room so Big E helps Ziggler win the world title. The hope by WWE is that we're all "shocked" by this.

 

[HBsam31]

I like the way the poster above put it. I could easily see Team Hell No retaining prompting some dissension in the ranks of camp Ziggler only for Big E to come back out later and help Ziggler win the title with a cash in. It would be a perfect scene with Ziggler and company celebrating with the World title after we all thought the group might be finished. I hope Ziggler finally does cash in, and this match has me pretty interested.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Interesting match-up, and this match adds more intrigue to the time table and future for Ziggler's MITB cash-in. Not having a match on the Wrestlemania card would've been an obvious give away for a cash-in, but now I'm not so sure.

On the other hand, Team Hell No has ran its course as champions. Bryan and Kane had an amazing run together, but it's time for their reign to come to an end. They've done all they can do as champs, and from where I sit every Monday or Friday night, Bryan and Kane have lost a lot of the odd couple humor they had in the beginning.

Langston and Ziggler have potential as a team, and AJ can be the perfect sidekick as always. We've seen Big. E destroy people at ringside for months, and no-sell chops from Ric Flair, so it's time for him to step inside the ring and do some damage for real.

I like the idea of Ziggler and Langston winning the title, but at the same time, it kind of worries me, because after years, Dolph still needs a boost. He wins the MITB briefcase. A little buzz for a while, it cools off. Feuds with Cena. Get's hot for a little while again. AJ turns heel, and he gets Big. E as a bodyguard. Another spark, but he sort of cooled off again. So it's going to take the tag team titles, a MITB briefcase, and an eventual world title run to get Ziggler over with the fans? He might as well wear a shirt that says "Hey! Look at me! I'm important!"

I dunno. I mean, I guess I can understand WWE wanting to turn Ziggler into a big star, but he's receiving all of these props and strong pushes, and he's still not as over as he should be.

 

[WasteMaterial]

I like the match and all but I just have so many questions about it like will Ziggler and Big E. win and Ziggler cash in and become a double champion? Will Kane and Daniel Bryan lose and separate?

 

[rerun406]

"it's going to take the tag team titles, a MITB briefcase, and an eventual world title run to get Ziggler over with the fans?"

if that's what it takes, I say go for it. Ziggler has a ton of talent and IMO the biggest thing holding him back has been the booking

I say let Ziggler capture the tag titles as well as World Title. **If Ziggler is seen as a career mid carder (how?) and not legitimate enough

let him be a double champ, and defend those belts regularly with success.

^that should hopefully be enough to get Ziggler over.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Frankly, I just hope Kane and DB lose the belts. They've done all they can do together and are starting to lose a lot of steam. It wouldn't surprise me if they did lose at WM simply because they're beginning to act a little more serious lately. I don't think DZ and Big E will do much for the belts either, but at least it'll free up Kane and DB after their rematch. Whether they part ways amicably or one of them turns back heel, I don't care.

 

[MCMG]

I do like this match. It is a good idea to get Langston and Ziggler on the card. The match itself will be of high quality. From what I have seen of Big E he should be able to cope and the other three no need mentioning.

I'm not convinced of Ziggler winning the tag belts although I do think Team Hell No has run its course. Dolph has the MITB so a world title is imminent - maybe having the tag-team titles delays that. Perhaps, he wins the tag-titles and the World title and lets someone else defend the tag-team championships for him.

It is difficult to predict a winner because I can't see either winning but I have a feeling this is the end of Team Hell No.

 

[ChicagoMade Punk]

Ziggler? Ziggler who? Because as far as I can see, he has been jobbing as of late, and thats not WHC material. Hell if the E wants to make the tag titles mean something then its not Big Pennies material either. Ziggler needs to turn around his losses and turn them around fast or he will fade to the back. Honestly i see his WHC run as being synonymous to Jack Swaggers. Its not gonna be remembered in a year.

 

[rerun406]

^ Ziggler's loss to Jericho on Monday stopped a 4 match win streak.

and to think, just when ya thought Ziggler was getting some momentum back, he's back to losing.

at this point thought I really have no idea what plans the WWE has for Ziggler come Mania and feel it's getting to that "Sh*t or get off the pot" point

 

[akathelaw]

I'm excited for this match, because I'm foolish enough to think that Vince won't screw Daniel Bryan 2 years in a row. Team Hell No! is the biggest tag team success WWE has had in a very long time. They have brought the Tag Team titles into the main events of programming, sold lots of merch and produced entertaining crossover appeal segments that undoubtedly made new wrestling fans. The wise thing to do here is preserve Team Hell No! through WrestleMania, allowing the fans who were robbed of a Daniel Bryan title match last year the moment they were wishing for.

 

[Compound_Lotus]

As said previously in this thread Bryan and Kane don't have the same charm they once had as Tag Team Champions. This spells end of days to me. We should have new tag team champions soon. But it won't be at Wrestlemania. I see the scenario described earlier where Team Hell No wins the match, a Ziggler/Big E breakup is teased and then Big E makes it possible for Ziggler to cash in later as a very realistic possibility. So it is my prediction that Team Hell No wins this match if only for better things to come for Dolph Ziggler later on in the night.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE is considering making the tag title match a mixed tag match in which the tag titles and the Divas title will be on the line. As of right now, Kaitlyn isn't even on the WM card and all AJ will be doing is standing in Ziggler & Big E.'s corner. So this could be a means of giving both women a more prominent role at the show.

If WWE does go down this road, then I think it tips the balance back in the favor of the heels. It'd be the first time in history, I think, that the tag titles & Divas title have changed hands in the same match.

 

[MCMG]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE is considering making the tag title match a mixed tag match in which the tag titles and the Divas title will be on the line. As of right now, Kaitlyn isn't even on the WM card and all AJ will be doing is standing in Ziggler & Big E.'s corner. So this could be a means of giving both women a more prominent role at the show.

If WWE does go down this road, then I think it tips the balance back in the favor of the heels. It'd be the first time in history, I think, that the tag titles & Divas title have changed hands in the same match.

I really do not like the sound of that. I would much prefer to have the regular tag-team match. There is no need to dilute the quality in this match with divas. Ziggler, Bryan and Kane have all got tremendous talent and I think that Big E will have a good showing. The divas may ruin a potentially great match.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE is considering making the tag title match a mixed tag match in which the tag titles and the Divas title will be on the line. As of right now, Kaitlyn isn't even on the WM card and all AJ will be doing is standing in Ziggler & Big E.'s corner. So this could be a means of giving both women a more prominent role at the show.

If WWE does go down this road, then I think it tips the balance back in the favor of the heels. It'd be the first time in history, I think, that the tag titles & Divas title have changed hands in the same match.

I really do not like the sound of that. I would much prefer to have the regular tag-team match. There is no need to dilute the quality in this match with divas. Ziggler, Bryan and Kane have all got tremendous talent and I think that Big E will have a good showing. The divas may ruin a potentially great match.

Look at it from the other side. WWE sometimes is all about protecting wrestlers. If they don't want to put the belts on Zig/Big E, what better way to have Big E lose his first match by having a mixed tag where AJ gets pinned?

I have a hard time believing this would be to protect Hell No. It's not like they're afraid to job to anyone. Not to mention, them losing clean writes itself if you just start a fight between Kane and DB. Or they lose dirty by a distraction from AJ. The person who needs the most protection is Big E, so if this happens, I'd predict Hell No to win.

However, they could just be wanting to get Kaitlyn on the card... It's more dependent upon their motives IMO.

 

[rerun406]

^ but with WM 29 being held in NJ ... is their any hope of the WWE wanting AJ to have a Mania moment by winning the Diva's title in her home state?

tend to agree that adding Diva's to a tag title match tends to clutter things .. especially in this case

and while Team Hell No's expiration date as a team seems to be wearing thin, I don't see Ziggler-Big E as a Team that's worthy of being tag champs .. unless it's a brief 2-3 month reign. **Shield seems a better alternate

**regarding Bryan getting screwed, he'll surely have a better WM match this time around, but I was thinking the other day, what if he loses the Tag Titles at Mania? That'd be back to back years he lost a title at the Biggest show of the year. **What if that kinda became Bryan's "thing" .. that going forward he becomes very paranoid of holding a title in the lead up to Mania for fear of losing a title again?

^just a thought. I like Bryan too though and Big E winning might not be as great a benefit since a team like The Shield could do a lot more with the tag titles