I Totally agree with this post. Zack Ryder is the main superstar that isn't getting enough time to prove himself. His gimmick at the minute isn't really interesting. If Creative can place him in the Intercontinental Championship picture and push him that way, at least he will get noticed. In my Smackdown vs Raw I designed a story were Zack Ryder won the Royal Rumble and eventually won his first WWE Championship from Wade Barrett, Miz and Orton at Wrestlemania. I also gave him a new name, "The New Horizon" Zack Ryder. If WWE Can really push him up the ranks, then theres your new John Cena....
Why Zack Ryder Is A Future Star
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Heavens Vibe
Pre-Show Stalwart
I used to see comments about Zack Ryder and thought it was one of those internet farces that people just say for humour, then I stumbled across his channel, and well...Im now part of the Wooo Wooo Wooo Entertainment Universe 
I was randomly watching Superstars today which I hardly ever do. I happened upon the Ryder vs Kahli match. I was super impressed with Ryder. Kahli was a piece of garbage in the ring in this match as always. However Ryder did the best job I seen in years of selling Kahli's moves. He made this match watchable and interesting. It made me think due to his ability to sell he should definitely be pushed to be a threat on the main roster. Let this man win because every time I ever seen him in a single match he made his opponent look golden. Give him a few wins and make him a jobber to the stars because he will make them look really good. What does everyone think about Ryder being one of the best sellers in the business.
Cena's #1 In My Heart
Getting Noticed By Management
I always seen Ryder as a next generation.. Chris Jericho or Christian..
whacky style... clothing... talking... whatever.... but you like it...
Got the similar size and prally skill set compared to a Jericho or Christian.
in-ring skills are not 200x better than Cena... Cena can work a ring just as good as anyone in the business.
whacky style... clothing... talking... whatever.... but you like it...
Got the similar size and prally skill set compared to a Jericho or Christian.
in-ring skills are not 200x better than Cena... Cena can work a ring just as good as anyone in the business.
Andy 2 Randy
Pre-Show Stalwart
Although Ryder isnt THE best seller in the WWE (Evan Bourne takes that, Looks like he gets hit with a Brick any time he's in the ring), Ryder can make matches look great...Even with Khali.
He has everything a Fan wants to see, unique look, Estranged Ring Style, and great match quality, which he proved on Superstars...and even his 'WWE Title Match', he made one move look great against Sheamus...I'm just Sayin...
He has everything a Fan wants to see, unique look, Estranged Ring Style, and great match quality, which he proved on Superstars...and even his 'WWE Title Match', he made one move look great against Sheamus...I'm just Sayin...
While I'm not entirely sure of how good Ryder is at selling but he certainly wouldn't be the best in the WWE. Evan Bourne is really good at selling the power moves but Heath Slater is probably the best seller in the WWE.
Big Show's KO Punch on Slater was certainly a memorable moment, mostly due to how well Slater sold it.
Big Show's KO Punch on Slater was certainly a memorable moment, mostly due to how well Slater sold it.
RendarSelin
The Cheesehead in Ohio
Zack Ryder is definitely doing everything he possibly can to remain relevant in the minds of WWE fans, despite getting absolutely no air time on RAW. He's doing his YouTube Z! True Long Island Stories, he's getting high caliber stars like John Cena to appear (well, at least pass by on the camera), he's doing whatever he needs to to stay relevant.
In my eyes, he is really trying to put himself out there. He's going out of his way to show how he can be entertaining. Unfortunately, outside of the IWC, no one cares. And this is in large due to the WWE not featuring Zack Ryder...unless it's in a jobbing role. If I'm WWE, I would keep Zack Ryder on the roster, send him back down to FCW, repackage him, and give the man a better gimmick.
I'm not a fan of Zack Ryder, but he's definitely doing his best to ensure his future, and that's something that's gotta be respected. I don't see Primo, Drew McIntyre, JTG, or any other lower card wrestlers showing why they should be kept.
In my eyes, he is really trying to put himself out there. He's going out of his way to show how he can be entertaining. Unfortunately, outside of the IWC, no one cares. And this is in large due to the WWE not featuring Zack Ryder...unless it's in a jobbing role. If I'm WWE, I would keep Zack Ryder on the roster, send him back down to FCW, repackage him, and give the man a better gimmick.
I'm not a fan of Zack Ryder, but he's definitely doing his best to ensure his future, and that's something that's gotta be respected. I don't see Primo, Drew McIntyre, JTG, or any other lower card wrestlers showing why they should be kept.
Reddog1146
Beating the odds since 1993
I want it to happen but i do not see it happening. he has been in WWE for a while and his biggest accomplishment was a tag title win with curt hawkins that few people even remember. It would take a lot of effort for WWE to move ryder from backstage into the main event. it would take:
1)Gimmick Change- No Jersey Shore wannabe will be in the main event.
2)New Finisher- His rough ryder is flashy but useless as a finisher.
3)Better storylines- His last storyline was tag team with primo that went nowhere on Superstars.
1)Gimmick Change- No Jersey Shore wannabe will be in the main event.
2)New Finisher- His rough ryder is flashy but useless as a finisher.
3)Better storylines- His last storyline was tag team with primo that went nowhere on Superstars.
Broski_of_the_week
Occasional Pre-Show
Why Zack Ryder is a future star.... because he's the funniest man in wrestling at the moment. Santino can blow a fake trumpet all he wants, but this man has real charisma and can play the comedy role perfectly. And he also plays his role of the disgruntled employee perfectly (which he has every right to be atm i think!), for instance with the youtube videos and the classic skits like: This is the WWE.... this is a ball with zack ryder... this is the wwe dropping the ball with zack ryder!
classic!
classic!
FightOwensFight
Formerly Global Conquest
Something dawned on me while watching all of his Z! True Long Island Stories webisodes. WWE clearly has to be OK with him doing this. He talks about the other performers, uses WWE Copyrighted video, has had his show mentioned by both the Miz and Cena, using John Morrison in an "angle" with his dad (funniest thing I have seen in a while), and the capper being the two "skits" with WWE dropping the ball with Zach Ryder and WWE missing the boat with Zach Ryder.
Now, with all that being said, I just don't think the WWE would allow him to do all this stuff if it wasn't garnering some level of interest (50,000 + views on each of his episodes) and they weren't behind it. I would just love it if he showed up on Raw to have a match with his dad at ringside and have his dad give him no reaction only to "mark out" when John Morrison comes down at a different part of the show (Morrison could even give Ryder's dad his glasses!). You would have the beginnings of a good, story-driven feud and a sequence of matches between Ryder and Morrison would actually be pretty good.
Now, with all that being said, I just don't think the WWE would allow him to do all this stuff if it wasn't garnering some level of interest (50,000 + views on each of his episodes) and they weren't behind it. I would just love it if he showed up on Raw to have a match with his dad at ringside and have his dad give him no reaction only to "mark out" when John Morrison comes down at a different part of the show (Morrison could even give Ryder's dad his glasses!). You would have the beginnings of a good, story-driven feud and a sequence of matches between Ryder and Morrison would actually be pretty good.
mrchanbong
Dark Match Jobber
Jason Powell of ProWrestling.NET reports that WWE ordered 02 Arena officials in London to remove all signs from fans which were directed at Zach Ryder. One sign confiscated read "Ryder =Ratings" and another one "Push Ryder". Ryder in recent weeks has gained a large following who watch his Z! True Long Island Story Episodes on Youtube. Many fans are pushing for him to get more television time which WWE do not seem intent on doing.
Yesiamaduck
Pre-Show Stalwart
I'm hoping the youtube videos will lead to a disgruntled employee character in the WWE which will eventually lead to his push. And even though I doubt it, the sign confiscation thing could be an elaborate work.
Hopefully the ever increasing youtube views will lead this segment either being put on Raw on a weekly basis, thus helping him get over, or show that he has the potential to bring in a crowd. WWE is clearly okay with the videos because he was given mic time last week on Superstars to promote it & the commentators mention it constantly.
Hopefully the ever increasing youtube views will lead this segment either being put on Raw on a weekly basis, thus helping him get over, or show that he has the potential to bring in a crowd. WWE is clearly okay with the videos because he was given mic time last week on Superstars to promote it & the commentators mention it constantly.
I agree that Zack Ryder is a future star. He has charisma, can connect with fans, is decent in the ring, and is one of the few with a character that stands out. He deserves to get a legit push and I hope he gets one soon. All of the attention he has been receiving online might benefit him, as he could be in danger of getting future endeavoured. WWE need to capitalize on that and push him, I think he could make a good midcard face. He's funny and could get a bigger reaction from the crowd than a large number of people at the moment. It comes down to WWE pushing him or not, otherwise he would already be on the path to stardom.
I think WWE actually has something pretty big set for Zack Ryder. Think about it, people have mentioned his youtube show on WWE shows. Cena, Miz and HHH (although HHH's may not have been that great) all talked about him a little during WM interviews. As other people have pointed out, he uses WWE copyrighte material on his show (seeing as the Zack Ryder name itself is owned by WWE) and WWE has allowed him to do so.
Also during the supplemental draft on WWE.com Zack Ryder actually came into the chat they had going during it and was given a special account by the Moderators of that chat (WWE staff) so people would know its actually him. He was the only wrestler in that chat and was allowed to be in it by WWE. WWE also let him make all his WWWYKI comments and let him comment about not caring where he went as long as he got drafted off of Superstars. Everything in that chat room had to be approved before it was set visible to others, that means the WWE staff approved all of what he said and let people see it. Why would they let him be saying all of that and be the only one in the chat if they had nothing planned for him and if Vince didn't like him like other people on these forums have been saying.
I don't know what WWE has planned for him but since they let him do everything he has been I can only assume they do have something planned and seems to be something pretty big planned for him.
Also during the supplemental draft on WWE.com Zack Ryder actually came into the chat they had going during it and was given a special account by the Moderators of that chat (WWE staff) so people would know its actually him. He was the only wrestler in that chat and was allowed to be in it by WWE. WWE also let him make all his WWWYKI comments and let him comment about not caring where he went as long as he got drafted off of Superstars. Everything in that chat room had to be approved before it was set visible to others, that means the WWE staff approved all of what he said and let people see it. Why would they let him be saying all of that and be the only one in the chat if they had nothing planned for him and if Vince didn't like him like other people on these forums have been saying.
I don't know what WWE has planned for him but since they let him do everything he has been I can only assume they do have something planned and seems to be something pretty big planned for him.
I was inspired to make this post by a debate in the spam section earlier, and I figured instead of spamming up the forums with yet ANOTHER Zack Ryder thread, I would make another post in here, since it's a similar topic.
Why Zack Ryder's character can work.
I have heard from many that Zack Ryder has the tools to succeed, but his character could never work. Let me tell you why I think it can.
First and foremost, wrestling is an entertainment business. It may be about wrestling in the ring, but it is meant to entertain you. We have had such characters as clowns, hockey players, and zombies, and in recent history rappers, gangstas, boogeymen, and a not-so subtly portrayed mentally ******ed character. Now, with the exception of the Boogeyman, all these characters are based off a real-life counterpart. Exaggerated, maybe, but based off a real-life counterpart. Now, wrestling is all about over-the-top characters, suspension of disbelief, and escaping reality. But it's fun for those characters to be relate-able to real life, but still a fun way to escape reality. Now, I'm sure we all know the goofy clubbing douche who is wildly popular and gets all the girls and the like. But can they be serious, intense? Yes. Which is why if Ryder was built up with a few mid-card wins, with more intensity while still retaining the character he has to a degree, he could be successful. Besides, if a character like Eugene, who was portrayed as a person with special needs, so to say, could get over through working hard and getting wins, why can't Ryder? I mean, he isn't less serious than a character like Eugene, he just has to be built right. He has potential, but it has to be built by creative right. It's clear the fans care about him as there are signs, YouTube videos, pops, and sold out merchandise to prove it. But if he isn't built to be serious, he can't be.
I'm not saying anyone can work with any gimmick, as it's not true. Cena couldn't be built with a goofy gimmick, as it's not his style. But being serious isn't Ryder's style, the gimmiock he has now fits him, just like Mark Callaway is good with The Undertaker, Glen Jacobs is with Kane, Paul Levesque is good with Triple H, and John Cena is good just being himself. Matthew Cardona is tailor made for his gimmick as Zack Ryder, but Ryder just has to be built right. His character can work, it's just a matter of booking.
Why Zack Ryder's character can work.
I have heard from many that Zack Ryder has the tools to succeed, but his character could never work. Let me tell you why I think it can.
First and foremost, wrestling is an entertainment business. It may be about wrestling in the ring, but it is meant to entertain you. We have had such characters as clowns, hockey players, and zombies, and in recent history rappers, gangstas, boogeymen, and a not-so subtly portrayed mentally ******ed character. Now, with the exception of the Boogeyman, all these characters are based off a real-life counterpart. Exaggerated, maybe, but based off a real-life counterpart. Now, wrestling is all about over-the-top characters, suspension of disbelief, and escaping reality. But it's fun for those characters to be relate-able to real life, but still a fun way to escape reality. Now, I'm sure we all know the goofy clubbing douche who is wildly popular and gets all the girls and the like. But can they be serious, intense? Yes. Which is why if Ryder was built up with a few mid-card wins, with more intensity while still retaining the character he has to a degree, he could be successful. Besides, if a character like Eugene, who was portrayed as a person with special needs, so to say, could get over through working hard and getting wins, why can't Ryder? I mean, he isn't less serious than a character like Eugene, he just has to be built right. He has potential, but it has to be built by creative right. It's clear the fans care about him as there are signs, YouTube videos, pops, and sold out merchandise to prove it. But if he isn't built to be serious, he can't be.
I'm not saying anyone can work with any gimmick, as it's not true. Cena couldn't be built with a goofy gimmick, as it's not his style. But being serious isn't Ryder's style, the gimmiock he has now fits him, just like Mark Callaway is good with The Undertaker, Glen Jacobs is with Kane, Paul Levesque is good with Triple H, and John Cena is good just being himself. Matthew Cardona is tailor made for his gimmick as Zack Ryder, but Ryder just has to be built right. His character can work, it's just a matter of booking.
I completely agree with Sign Guy on this. Before I started watching Z! I had forgotten all about Ryder. Now? I look forward to each weeks episode. The guy is doing somehting that a lot of others don't care enough, or don't have the BALLS to do. How many times have we heard a Superstar get released, and then bitch they were held back? How many of those people actually made an EFFORT to get noticed?
Someone in the Spam thread mentioned Matt Hardy's videos where he bitched about not being on TV either.. The difference is, Zack is making fun of it, not being a crybaby about it. He's making an effort to make a name for himself, and it is working. Want proof? How many Ryder threads are started each week? How many Signs are in the crowd? Who's shirts are almost always sold out, yet almost NEVER gets TV time? Who is the #1 Superstar mentioned in other WWE employees Tweets? The answer to all of the above is Ryder.
Someone in the Spam thread mentioned Matt Hardy's videos where he bitched about not being on TV either.. The difference is, Zack is making fun of it, not being a crybaby about it. He's making an effort to make a name for himself, and it is working. Want proof? How many Ryder threads are started each week? How many Signs are in the crowd? Who's shirts are almost always sold out, yet almost NEVER gets TV time? Who is the #1 Superstar mentioned in other WWE employees Tweets? The answer to all of the above is Ryder.
LoudClearVoice
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I am sorry, I just don't see what all you people see in this guy. With that said, many WWE superstars past and present are singing the praises of this guy so I guess I have to believe there is something there.
It's probably just the way WWE is using him that makes me think he sucks.
It's probably just the way WWE is using him that makes me think he sucks.
ill constantly get hate for this, but ryder is horrible, he is boring on the mic and on his videos, i dislike his "wrestling ability", his character isnt overly exciting, he is a joke, this is my problem with santino, he is a joker, he has good inring skills when he is serious but when he is talking, he is a joke, half of a match, he is a joke. ryder, he is a joke, but thats just me, i like seeing guys have chairs bashed on their head, like watching a intense match.
With the approval of guys like Cena, Austin, and Jericho, I'm not sure it really matters what the IWC thinks about Mr Ryder.
Ryder will get a push at some point in the sorta near future. Vince won't ignore all the love for Ryder forever. And no not the love from the IWC or the fans getting there signs taken away at arenas. There is a lot of locker room love for Zack. The road agents see this and I'm sure they let the boss know.
Just wait. The guy will get his push eventually.
Ryder will get a push at some point in the sorta near future. Vince won't ignore all the love for Ryder forever. And no not the love from the IWC or the fans getting there signs taken away at arenas. There is a lot of locker room love for Zack. The road agents see this and I'm sure they let the boss know.
Just wait. The guy will get his push eventually.
FunKay the Inevitable
People Like Me, We Don't Play
Zack Ryder could be a future mid card title holder. That's as far as I think he'll go and I large part of me believes he won't even reach that far. Ryder is well liked by Cena, Austin, Jericho, Ziggler and others, but he isn't well liked by the people that really matter; the McMahon Family. Both Triple H and now (if the Wrestling Observer report is correct) Vince McMahon have shown they don't care that much for Ryder. I personally think he's got a solid all round thing going for him (that's wrestling, mic skills and look), but he'll never amount to anything special as far as I can see. If he doesn't win over the men in charge, I doubt he'll even make it out of this year.
How many people were saying that Truth would be stuck in superstars hell forever too? That he wasnt good enough to be a main event star? How many said that about The Miz? Guess what, with tv time, and a WWE push, anything in possible. The fans wanted Stone Cold and Randy Orton to be faces, no matter how hard they tried to be heels. The fans are what drives the WWE. If the Zack Ryder T-Shirt is selling out at every event, and there are a ton of signs at every show.. Why wont Vince listen this time?
Ryder has fallen into a black hole most wrestlers never return from- a bad gimmick set up to fail. Vince has done this before (as mentioned earlier by Sign Guy) & has those folks around for 'filler'.
Here is the problem with Vince & his attitude toward these 'throw away' gimmicks. Sometimes they actually work. Sometimes the man behind it takes the ball & runs. It then evolves into something fans enjoy & chant to see. Ryder himself knows he got a raw deal in that department. Difference is he has taken it in a great direction receiving praise from fans & some of the boys in the back. He has taken a terrible gimmick & turned it into pure gold.
Vince has an ultimate goal- to make money & gain ratings\viewers. Well, keeping someone off tv that the fans love isnt very smart. The man easily has one of the best selling items at the merch table & would no doubt gain more ratings points with some on-air time. Fans & Ryder himself dont expect a World Title run, mid card title maybe- but not a World Title. Why not find a place for him on tv? What would it hurt by placing a guy on-air that is completely dedicated enough to take it over the top for his fans? Vince dosent have anything to lose. If Vince can take a lame ass from the Spirit Squad & turn him into DZ complete with tv time\title runs- then why not Ryder. Ryder has way more of a following & tons more charisma.
As a side note, Vince has always been good at putting guys over in their hometown. So why the diss on Ryder. Huge missed opportunity there- especially on a 3hour RAW.
Here is the problem with Vince & his attitude toward these 'throw away' gimmicks. Sometimes they actually work. Sometimes the man behind it takes the ball & runs. It then evolves into something fans enjoy & chant to see. Ryder himself knows he got a raw deal in that department. Difference is he has taken it in a great direction receiving praise from fans & some of the boys in the back. He has taken a terrible gimmick & turned it into pure gold.
Vince has an ultimate goal- to make money & gain ratings\viewers. Well, keeping someone off tv that the fans love isnt very smart. The man easily has one of the best selling items at the merch table & would no doubt gain more ratings points with some on-air time. Fans & Ryder himself dont expect a World Title run, mid card title maybe- but not a World Title. Why not find a place for him on tv? What would it hurt by placing a guy on-air that is completely dedicated enough to take it over the top for his fans? Vince dosent have anything to lose. If Vince can take a lame ass from the Spirit Squad & turn him into DZ complete with tv time\title runs- then why not Ryder. Ryder has way more of a following & tons more charisma.
As a side note, Vince has always been good at putting guys over in their hometown. So why the diss on Ryder. Huge missed opportunity there- especially on a 3hour RAW.
MizFit Brocko
'Dashing Brisbane Brocko'
Just watching Superstars, my god the pop Ryder got was HUGE! Yes, it's his home town, but he got a bigger pop than most of the guys on RAW and regularly on TV got. Could this have been a reason to only give him a SuperStars match?
The lets go Ryder chants were brilliant, and he and Primo put on a really entertaining match.
The lets go Ryder chants were brilliant, and he and Primo put on a really entertaining match.
I love Zack Ryder. He's my favorite WWE superstar currently and I do hope that he gets a mean push. The thing was even with the crowd on his back he's not over as let's say Santino Marrella. Santino is probably the most over wrestler right now next to Cena. Also his wrestling is not good enough in my opinion.
I just watched Superstars where they were in Long Island and Ryer was over. His wrestling wasn't. It was mundane. He doesn't have a momentum combo like Cena, Orton, Santino, Rey Mysterio has. His moves collection are probably reserve for OVW wrestlers I mean in his Youtube top 10 moves he has flapjack, splash, and dropkick. His finisher are both lame in my opinion though unique. He needs to re-invent himself wrestling wise. As gimmick he definitely is one of top right now. He can fist pump three times when going for the third punch much like the Rock's spit in the hand or Road Dogg's Shake Rattle Roll.
Anyways this is not me hating on Zack Ryder just constructively criticizing him. I hope that he one day becomes Intercontinental Champion and gets fued with Bryan Danielson and Sin Cara.
I just watched Superstars where they were in Long Island and Ryer was over. His wrestling wasn't. It was mundane. He doesn't have a momentum combo like Cena, Orton, Santino, Rey Mysterio has. His moves collection are probably reserve for OVW wrestlers I mean in his Youtube top 10 moves he has flapjack, splash, and dropkick. His finisher are both lame in my opinion though unique. He needs to re-invent himself wrestling wise. As gimmick he definitely is one of top right now. He can fist pump three times when going for the third punch much like the Rock's spit in the hand or Road Dogg's Shake Rattle Roll.
Anyways this is not me hating on Zack Ryder just constructively criticizing him. I hope that he one day becomes Intercontinental Champion and gets fued with Bryan Danielson and Sin Cara.
