RKO_RKO_RKO
Dark Match Jobber
Most traditional survivor series match don't involve the top champs. sure the tag team champs might be in there in some of them, but for the most part, the top champs are usually booked for a title match on such a PPV.
Why Orton?
- Thread starter Justin Satiable
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Most traditional survivor series match don't involve the top champs. sure the tag team champs might be in there in some of them, but for the most part, the top champs are usually booked for a title match on such a PPV.
Bryantapoutzone
New Member
This actually did come to me as a surprise because Orton has had the momentum the past few Raws and he has been unstoppable. Usually the guy who gets the upper hand on the Raw before the PPV loses. This was not the case. As for Orton winning the title, I think it was a good decision. What they were obviously doing here was getting the belt on to a face to a heel Miz can cash in his Money in the Bank on them. This could set up a new feud between Orton and the Miz which would be an interesting one. I see Sheamus vs. Orton in HIAC in two weeks with Orton winning in a grueling match being exhausted afterwards and Miz cashing in and winning the title.
blackmetalbuick
Pre-Show Stalwart
Orton was a very poor choice in my opinion. I think I would have enjoyed just about anyone else winning the match, minus Cena. Sheamus retaining would have been awesome. Barrett winning would have been an interesting way to keep this Nexus thing going before it fizzles out. Jericho winning would have been great. Maybe even Edge showing himself as a serious threat and becoming champ again would have been decent.
Orton was almost to the point of being too predictable, which WWE tries to avoid sometimes. He's been on fire on Raw, RKO'ing everybody ever week, so I didn't think WWE would make it that obvious. Thought he'd somehow miss the win tonight by a small margin, then continue on his streak on Monday nights and stay in the title hunt.
I guess what I'm saying is I've found Orton more interesting as the pursuing challenger than I'm going to as champion. I honestly hope he doesn't keep it too long.
Orton was almost to the point of being too predictable, which WWE tries to avoid sometimes. He's been on fire on Raw, RKO'ing everybody ever week, so I didn't think WWE would make it that obvious. Thought he'd somehow miss the win tonight by a small margin, then continue on his streak on Monday nights and stay in the title hunt.
I guess what I'm saying is I've found Orton more interesting as the pursuing challenger than I'm going to as champion. I honestly hope he doesn't keep it too long.
I think you just stated the exact point of why Wade Barrett isn't ready for the WWE title. The WWE Champion should be the BEST IN THE WORLD. Randy Orton is getting cheered like crazy every arena that he's in, he's the most over talent in the company right now so clearly, Randy Orton should be the WWE Champion.
The WWE Championship shouldn't be a "stepping stone" that an upper mid-card talent takes to become a main eventer. The WWE Championship should be given to someone that is already a main eventer, somebody that you are ready to make the face of the company right now.
Wade Barrett has been phenomenal in his role so far, but he's only been on the main roster for a few months now. Give the kid time. Establish him in wrestling matches, put him in programs with some top talents. Just because Sheamus got his first World title early doesn't mean that Barrett should get it now. Cases like that who shoot up to be the World Champion so quickly should be extremely rare in this business.
newteenforbb
Pre-Show Stalwart
I honestly think the better question is... why not Orton?
You could only do the same routine of having him dominate on RAW but lose a PPV so much before it becomes tired and the fans get annoyed. Orton hasn't won a PPV since Mania, and hasn't held the title for a year. It was time. The fans were behind him, the setting was right, everything was picture perfect.
Plus, I love how the IWC likes to drone on and on about the "younger" superstars needing to be pushed. I agree that WWE should push young stars but not at the expense of someone like Orton. The guy is only 30 (younger, believe it or not, than Sheamus) and has a good decade ahead of him of being involved in the main event scene. WWE could do a fine job building the future of the WWE and including Orton in that future. He is the true definition of a "veteran" who could still have the best in him yet to come.
You could only do the same routine of having him dominate on RAW but lose a PPV so much before it becomes tired and the fans get annoyed. Orton hasn't won a PPV since Mania, and hasn't held the title for a year. It was time. The fans were behind him, the setting was right, everything was picture perfect.
Plus, I love how the IWC likes to drone on and on about the "younger" superstars needing to be pushed. I agree that WWE should push young stars but not at the expense of someone like Orton. The guy is only 30 (younger, believe it or not, than Sheamus) and has a good decade ahead of him of being involved in the main event scene. WWE could do a fine job building the future of the WWE and including Orton in that future. He is the true definition of a "veteran" who could still have the best in him yet to come.
Serious Mozzarella
Special Victims Unit
I think it was just the best move for them, because Orton can benefit the most out of being the champion right now.
Sheamus wasn't drawing as a champion, we've seen Cena as the champion way too much over the last 3 years, Chris Jericho either doesn't need it, or he's leaving (judging by the news on the main page), and the Nexus wouldn't gain anymore momentum than they already have with the belts. Orton gains the most momentum strategically, and it places him right in the middle of the feud between Cena and the Nexus, as everyone is pursuing the belt at this point.
In my honest opinion, Sheamus just didn't look like too much of a threat at this point. He just wasn't a strong champion. The only reason the belt wasn't on Cena was because the Nexus would always fuck things up for him, and Sheamus would sliver his way out of the ring and away from the action. His entire character was building up for a loss as long as both Cena and Nexus were BOTH involved with the match.
Sheamus wasn't drawing as a champion, we've seen Cena as the champion way too much over the last 3 years, Chris Jericho either doesn't need it, or he's leaving (judging by the news on the main page), and the Nexus wouldn't gain anymore momentum than they already have with the belts. Orton gains the most momentum strategically, and it places him right in the middle of the feud between Cena and the Nexus, as everyone is pursuing the belt at this point.
In my honest opinion, Sheamus just didn't look like too much of a threat at this point. He just wasn't a strong champion. The only reason the belt wasn't on Cena was because the Nexus would always fuck things up for him, and Sheamus would sliver his way out of the ring and away from the action. His entire character was building up for a loss as long as both Cena and Nexus were BOTH involved with the match.
Y2JChrisJericho
Pre-Show Stalwart
Yeah, you're right about the whole justice thing, but it was typical Cena Crap in the sense that well...he ruins the fun for me. Plus, if you're a Cena "hater" how could you mark out when he came back and took out Nexus? that annoyed me as a Cena hater, I was happy he was eliminated sooner than I expected (I thought WWE would do Cena-Orton in the final). Nexus still looks strong to me though, and I'm still interested in who's their leader. Oh, and as a Cena Hater I was glad at how Nexus' involvement in his matches, I guess i really enjoy Nexus, and I just see a lot of potential in Barrett and I really wanted WWE to put the title on him. I know it's too early for him, but I thought it would could have made Nexus look unstoppable again, as some say they've fallen off.
Also, after Barrett got eliminated with the help of Cena, I know Orton would win the title. I didn't want this, as Sheamus was someone I would have winning next to Barrett, only because it would build up his credibility as a champion.
In conclusion...yes...Typical Cena Crap because if it annoys me, I classify it as this label.
Yeh Randy shouldn't have won, he bores me when he's champion tbh. I find it more entertaining when he will do anything for a championship, but I suppose if someone would do anything for a championship and not win it... thats just ******ed... I see TNA doing that lol. *I am a fan of TNA... not this new crappy one with oldies but the TNA two-three years ago*
papahut420
Dark Match Jobber
i think orton won to make miz cashing in and winning a bigger deal. orton has been looking unbeatable lately and if miz beats him, especially clean, it would give him a bigger boost or more credibility than the others.
ForeverRKO
Pre-Show Stalwart
Bottom line .. ORTON IS THE NEW WWE CHAMPION!! So all you people thats saying orton sucks as a champion , and sheamus or barrett and that one idiot that said edge should have won , you all are haters! This is the moment that us real orton fans been waiting for .. they're going to use orton to put over all the main event heels .. barrett , edge , sheamus , maybe jericho .. and maybe even get john cena over with the hardcore fans ( very unlikely though ) .. who can honestly beat orton 1 on 1 besides " super cena " ? NOBODY! Exactly .. so whatever heel that does it will get much respect and they will get a huge push .. like that time orton won the title from beniot to become the youngest heavyweight champion .. i never doubted orton .. ppv after ppv he was 3 seconds away from winning and he kept getting screwed so i knew eventually he would win ! And a hell in a cell match with sheamus today on raw ? Epic .. lets just hope he retains cuz we all know nexus will be trying to rape him in the cage .
Stagger Lee
Dark Match Winner
Orton won so Miz could cash in against him. A Miz/Orton feud makes more sense than a Miz/Barrett or a Miz/Sheamus feud. To me, it seemed pretty obvious that this was how things would play out.
Are you kidding me? I'm assuming you hate him for "only knowing 5 movez" (make that 6 after he used that dropkick last night), and being "shoved down our throats," and being a cookie cutter face... and then last night... not only does he use more moves than usual, not only is he the 3rd man eliminated, but he puts over Barrett! He puts over a guy who's been on WWE TV for less than a year! And then, to top that off, he hits everyone in Nexus, save Barrett, with a chair! He broke all our expectations! If I may impart some ancient Jedi knowledge upon you, you're blinded by hate.
Anyway, as for the reason they put the strap on Orton; it was just time they gave it to the guy. Lord knows they've been teasing Orton winning the belt since Fatal 4 Way, and you don't want to make him look weak by constantly putting him in title matches and then losing (he's clearly supposed to be the best wrestler in WWE, MAYBE tied with Cena, but probably better at this point).
Also, Orton is at the peak of his popularity. I could be wrong, but his personality will begin to leave fans with something to be desired. He doesn't talk unless he's threatening someone, which gets kind of boring after a while. Last night really revealed both why Orton is so appealing and why I don't like him. When Grisham asked him if he had any thoughts on the night's title match, Orton simply responded, "No." It was funny, because that's "just sooo Orton." But at the same time, I want to hear what's going through his head. Cena gave a very good promo, so did Sheamus, and so did Jericho, but what do we get out of Orton? "No."
Finally, it makes sense to put it on Orton. He's been in the title picture the most since Sheamus has become champion, and he's been pushed to the moon. He's won every single standoff since he's become involved in the title picture, and I don't think he's been beaten cleanly either. There isn't a single place they go where Orton is not welcomed by thunderous cheers, and he's without a doubt the most popular star the WWE has on their roster, except for Undertaker.
Thank you WWE managment for proving what a bunch of morons you all are. You have Orton dominate on Raw for weeks and weeks than you have him eliminate 3 guys himself at NOC.... now we have another lame superman/wannabee Goldberg gimmick in "The Viper" Randy Orton. When will these mental midgets understand that just because someone sells a lot of t shirts and is popular on twitter doesn't mean they have to be the top guy and go superman every week(Cena, Orton). Now rather than having an entertaining champion- Sheamus, Barrett, Jericho, Edge.... we are subjected to another boring title reign by monotnous voiced Randy Orton. And what's the point of this Hell in a cell match against Sheamus.... Obviously Orton will win... WWE won't have Goldberg... I mean Orton lose the belt 2 weeks after winning it. This is why all the PPV's have such poor buy rates, because WWE is so predictable now. I'd even rather have Miz as champ than Orton... heck even Daniel Bryan or Zack Ryder as champ rather than Goldberg 2.0
And the truly sad part is that Sheamus could have been put over in a huge way had he won this match but WWE is burying him, he's gotten his butt whopped for the last 6 weeks on Raw. He did not eliminate anybody at NOC, he'll obviously lose at Hell in a cell, then get buried by HHH when he comes back.
And the truly sad part is that Sheamus could have been put over in a huge way had he won this match but WWE is burying him, he's gotten his butt whopped for the last 6 weeks on Raw. He did not eliminate anybody at NOC, he'll obviously lose at Hell in a cell, then get buried by HHH when he comes back.
Ruthless-RKO
F*ck Friends, Rather die wiv ma AK!
To whome are you asking this question to? Of course no one here knows the answer and I agree with a few people...that he doesn't need it..I was actually pulling for either Sheamus or Orton to win in..and i'm not too bothered with the outcome..It isn't a bad move..plus now we have a fan favourite as champion..
Edge couldn't have won because I feel he has been dull lately..there is nothing interesting about the guy recently, Jericho we know was going to take a time out, Wade could have gotten this as a huge step, Cena didn't really need it..Orton didn't need it either..but I guess we'll have to see tonight where each wrestler goes and who he feuds with next!
Edge couldn't have won because I feel he has been dull lately..there is nothing interesting about the guy recently, Jericho we know was going to take a time out, Wade could have gotten this as a huge step, Cena didn't really need it..Orton didn't need it either..but I guess we'll have to see tonight where each wrestler goes and who he feuds with next!
You actually think Orton will lose the belt 2 weeks after winning it.... yeah right. WWE is burying Sheamus, he did not eliminate anybody last night and now he will lose at HIAC and then lose to HHH when he comes back. Orton and Miz is sadly going to be the main event title fued after Hell in a cell according to what I've read.
Why Orton? Only because it made a lot of sense did it not? Randy Orton is over as hell right now, and is battling John Cena in terms of popularity, which of course would mean that there's a lot more sense in giving him the championship while he's red hot.
Randy Orton has been on a roll, and he's pretty much slowly getting into the position of John Cena's superman position (Without me complaining about it mind you, I don't mind "Super Orton" or "Super Cena"). And why wouldn't the odds on favorite be the one to come out victorious in this situation?
The other choices really didn't need it yet. Wade Barrett was the only one else to make sense of winning it, or Sheamus retaining. Sheamus had a decent lengthy reign, and Wade Barrett needs a little bit more of a final touch to get to the point where he's completely ready to carry the top belt.
I'm sure Randy will get a rather lengthy title run. The Age of Orton has returned (I can only hope).
Randy Orton has been on a roll, and he's pretty much slowly getting into the position of John Cena's superman position (Without me complaining about it mind you, I don't mind "Super Orton" or "Super Cena"). And why wouldn't the odds on favorite be the one to come out victorious in this situation?
The other choices really didn't need it yet. Wade Barrett was the only one else to make sense of winning it, or Sheamus retaining. Sheamus had a decent lengthy reign, and Wade Barrett needs a little bit more of a final touch to get to the point where he's completely ready to carry the top belt.
I'm sure Randy will get a rather lengthy title run. The Age of Orton has returned (I can only hope).
wrestlingking
now all we need is some rape bait!
randy orton winning the title puts him in a fued vs. sheamus. it'll be something different, the irish man agains the american babyface. i was there near ring area live. after orton won, he walked around ringside takin pics and gettin like high fives and shit from the fans, he even got in the ring again for a bit then more ring side chillin. this guy pulled a john cena. every single time cena was showed, he was booed, cena recieved the most heat out of everyone. C.M. Punk was second to face chears after orton, maybe cuz it was Chicago. People loved punk, not much croud reaction for Big Show. Orton though put on a great match and should have a nice reign with the wwe championship. im sick of cena and hope he goes heel.
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
Can we atleast get a good Orton title reign?.....all his title reigns have been too short and they sucked heavily. Orton in his current state is more exciting since his legend killer gimmick...but I hope he does not turn into another John Cena now that he is really over with the crowd. But Orton needs a good title reign and not another bad one. I lwould not mind them continuing a Orton/Sheamus.
whatjusthappened
Dark Match Jobber
i go through some posts and i don't understand the hate (already? really) on Cena and especially Orton.
it's a DAMN CHARACTER people, they're suppose to play it. All haters of Super-Cena will just become haters of Super-Orton, because if you haven't already noticed the guy is being booked as UNSTOPPABLE right now.
remind you of anyone? yeah exactly, you asked for a new face of the company, and you're getting it, but only for you all to hate it within a matter of months. why? because they're going to be booked the same way.
btw all this 5 moves of doom stuff, i seen enough of. besides striking and typical beat down moves, how many moves have you seen Sheamus, Orton, Barrett, etc do? i bet they as well have 5 moves of doom.
it's a DAMN CHARACTER people, they're suppose to play it. All haters of Super-Cena will just become haters of Super-Orton, because if you haven't already noticed the guy is being booked as UNSTOPPABLE right now.
remind you of anyone? yeah exactly, you asked for a new face of the company, and you're getting it, but only for you all to hate it within a matter of months. why? because they're going to be booked the same way.
btw all this 5 moves of doom stuff, i seen enough of. besides striking and typical beat down moves, how many moves have you seen Sheamus, Orton, Barrett, etc do? i bet they as well have 5 moves of doom.
The People's Peep
Mr. Manager
I see many reasons why they would put the belt on Orton. First of all, and its been said throughout this thread, he is so unbelievably over right. Probably the most of any guy on the roster. He was bound to get the belt soon enough.
Personally, I thought Sheamus would retain or Barrett would win. Those guys needed it more than Orton. If Orton won, I really thought Miz would cash in and start a feud with Orton, granted that HHH came in a took on Sheamus. But neither of those happened and I can only assume that they put the belt on Orton so that he and Sheamus can continue their feud while HHH is still recovering.
Personally, I thought Sheamus would retain or Barrett would win. Those guys needed it more than Orton. If Orton won, I really thought Miz would cash in and start a feud with Orton, granted that HHH came in a took on Sheamus. But neither of those happened and I can only assume that they put the belt on Orton so that he and Sheamus can continue their feud while HHH is still recovering.
Notorious718
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I'm pretty "meh" on this. Orton really doesn't need the belt to be over with the crowd. For me, if anyone really needed the win it would've been Sheamus. He really needs to establish himself as a Main Eventer and winning a match with five former world champions and a future world champion in Wade Barrett would've really driven that point in. But he was the last to be eliminated so I guess that counts for something... I think. Anyway, we're probably gonna see him square off with Orton in a rematch at HIAC and while I'd like to see him get the title back, I'm not particularly fond of the title switching hands back and forth after only a few weeks (see Cena/Orton feud circa late 2009).
I think a lot of people are missing the point. The WWE Championship is NOT a tool to get someone over with the crowd. The WWE Championship is a reward for someone that is already over with the crowd. The fact that Randy Orton doesn't need the title to be over is a perfect reason why it makes sense for him to be Champion.
In the WWE, the WWE Champion is THE MAN. Period. Randy Orton gets the loudest pops, he's gotten the push and the crowd is behind him. Wade Barrett is NOT ready to be WWE Champion, he has to establish himself as a main event talent first.
I saw one of the posters in this thread a little while ago call the people in WWE "mental midgets", but let me bring up this point to you. You, me, and the majority of the posters here at Wrestlezone do not account for the WWE's target audience. We're in the PG era, we're in the era of FAMILY programming. The WWE wants kids to love their product, they want to put on a show that parents can bring their kids to.
Put yourself in a room with a bunch of 8 year olds that are wrestling fans and ask them who their favorites are. You think they're going to say Wade Barrett? Of course not. It's going to be John Cena, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker.
Call that shit corny all that you want but the kids eat it up. They love it. They love that Randy Orton is the World Champion, they love to see John Cena showcased on every show. They're the ones wearing the John Cena wrist bands, the Randy Orton shirts, the Rey Mysterio masks.
They are the fans pumping money into the WWE monster right now and they are the same fans that are going to usher in a new Attitude era in 8 to 10 years when they get older.
In the WWE, the WWE Champion is THE MAN. Period. Randy Orton gets the loudest pops, he's gotten the push and the crowd is behind him. Wade Barrett is NOT ready to be WWE Champion, he has to establish himself as a main event talent first.
I saw one of the posters in this thread a little while ago call the people in WWE "mental midgets", but let me bring up this point to you. You, me, and the majority of the posters here at Wrestlezone do not account for the WWE's target audience. We're in the PG era, we're in the era of FAMILY programming. The WWE wants kids to love their product, they want to put on a show that parents can bring their kids to.
Put yourself in a room with a bunch of 8 year olds that are wrestling fans and ask them who their favorites are. You think they're going to say Wade Barrett? Of course not. It's going to be John Cena, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker.
Call that shit corny all that you want but the kids eat it up. They love it. They love that Randy Orton is the World Champion, they love to see John Cena showcased on every show. They're the ones wearing the John Cena wrist bands, the Randy Orton shirts, the Rey Mysterio masks.
They are the fans pumping money into the WWE monster right now and they are the same fans that are going to usher in a new Attitude era in 8 to 10 years when they get older.
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
So is Randy Orton a babyface?....tweener?.....or still a heel?...cause I never seen or heard a heel get the pops from the crowd that Orton gets. Now tweener's on the other hand I have like SCSA ad The Rock for prime examples and the Undertaker aswell...and babyfaces of course since they are the heroes?....kidna confuse what Orton is right now. I mean first he was the viper, a crazy type wrestler.....now he is the apex predator...calm, cool yet can get red hot angry and a dangerous wrestler....what the hell is Randy Orton now?....and were they come up wth all these lame names for him. The viper was alright but the apex predator sounds silly as hell.
SpoodBeest
City Dweller, Successful Fella
The reason this seems as disappointing as it sounds is because Randy Orton has been so dominant every week on RAW that he became the most obvious winner of this match as the weeks went on. In the weeks leading up to the Six Pack Challenge Orton was dominant over everyone who got in his way every week. He stood tall every week, and he was the favorite going into the match. The only thing that justifies him winning the belt is because he is so over with the crowd. I will go on the record and say he probably get the loudest pop in the WWE right now and for some reason the crowd is always super into him. Other than him being extremely over for no reason there is no other reason he won the title. It was obvious, many of us called it, and it ended up happening which made that match's ending that much more lack luster for us smarks.
Dean Winchester
Getting Noticed By Management
So is WWE trying to make Orton their top guy in the buisness? Or so theycan have two popular guys in the buisness like back during the attitude era when they had SCSA and The Rock....I just confused is Orton still a heel or is he a tweener.