Why Do you PAY for XBOX live over the FREE PSN?

[TheGamea]

Im not posting this to be snarky, Ive had a PS, PS2 and now on to my PS3 and I always thought there were the best, with that said Ive also only played xbox gen 1 ONCE and xbox 360 ONCE and with the first gen, I hated the controller, I thought it was big as heck, but then b4 buying a PS3, I found out in order to play xbox games online you have to buy an xbox live account PER YEAR, so my question is for those that do it, why do you do it, and if you have both consoles I would really be interested in why you pay for something that is free with PS.

 

[Lee]

I suppose rather than asking why people pay the equivalent to one game a year for a superior online service that hasn't been closed down due to major security flaws in the last twelve months you should ask yourself: Why pay more for the PS3 console?

360 + XBLGold = cheaper than a PS3. You may think you're getting the better deal on the PS3 for online gaming, but you're not. The XBL service is better overall than the PSN, I mean the Wii's online service is free but that doesn't mean it's any good.

 

[justinsayne]

I suppose rather than asking why people pay the equivalent to one game a year for a superior online service that hasn't been closed down due to major security flaws in the last twelve months you should ask yourself: Why pay more for the PS3 console?

360 + XBLGold = cheaper than a PS3. You may think you're getting the better deal on the PS3 for online gaming, but you're not. The XBL service is better overall than the PSN, I mean the Wii's online service is free but that doesn't mean it's any good.

Because, after playing both, I found that I could get greater enjoyment out of a PS3 than a 360, I also found that I really don't use the online shit as often as I thought (netflix & DLing Demos of games mostly), so paying for it feels like a waste of money. Where the PS3 may have had the YLOD issue, they seemed to have occured far less than the 360's Red Ring. The 360 may be cheaper but to me it just feels like I get alot more of a quality gaming/entertainment system with the PS3 than I would with the 360. Oh plus PS3 has a blu-ray, which is just a nice little bonus.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Honestly man it's personal choice. I can see why a person who spends all of their time playing games with a massive online interface(such as CoD etc) would need something such as Xbox Live. But if you wanted to play exclusive games which in my opinion are just head and shoulders better on PS3 and don't need a complicated interface to please you would go for a Ps3. There's nothing wrong with either. They each have their own flaws. BTW I think people need to get over the whole psn hack thing, yea that was a major problem but i've heard worse experiences about xbox users getting their personal profiles hacked and their credit card info stolen.

 

[justinsayne]

My take on the PS hack shit, PS took care of & even gave away a couple free games to people who were affected, & have since worked to make sure the issues to occur again, & it's not like the same hacker group is incapable of hacking X-box Live, pretty sure they could if they wanted to.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

I have both systems and I use them for two very different things. Any game that comes out for both system, that I want to play because of the single player experience, I'll get for the PS3. The graphics are slightly better, and depending on the genre of game it feels smoother. Not a huge difference, but I mainly have the PS3 for the exclusives like Metal Gear, LBP2, and the pretty solid downloadable market. I'm getting a VITA when they come out, and that on its own is going to make the PS3 worth having.

Now, I play ALL my online multiplayer games on the 360. Simple fact: XBox cares more about it's online community, and makes it easier to connect with friends, start parties, and play games. The servers are handled much better (typical MW3 match wait for 360 is 2 minutes, counting the 45 second mandatory wait between matches. PS3 is about twice that much. Not a big deal, but noticeable when you're playing all day). Sony has never shown a lot of concern for online gaming, and I genuinely dislike shooters on their console. Since the majority of my online games are shooters (Halo Reach, MW3, etc.) the 360 is where I spend most of my time. I'm the kind of gamer that likes to connect with friends, see all of my online friends, and interact with them. To be playing Halo, see a friend pop online, and add him to our game without hassle.

I know, I know, all those things are available on the PSNetwork. But can you honestly say it's as simple? THe biggest thing for me though, beyond ALL of that, is that almost all of my friends that play games own a 360. I think many of them own a PS3, but they use it similar to how I do - the single player experience. So of course I'm going to game where ALL of my friends are gaming. Paying such a small price every month for a stable, speedy network and online community isn't a big deal to me. I buy it 6 months at a time, it's cheaper, and I can forgot about it for half the year.

I'm not sure how to really convince anybody that they should pay for XBox Live, because I'm not sure why it's so appealing to me over the Network. Besides the fact that all my friends are on Live, I think it's just as simple as feeling natural. Live feels like a natural experience to me for whatever reason. I boot up my system, it automatically logs me on, shows me all my friends playing various games, and I start chatting away. Sony just never pushed its services on me. It might be stupid, but when you have a paid product, many people will choose it over the free alternative because it has the aura of being more legitimate. For instance, League of Legends may be free and incredibly fun, but I bet you millions will still flock to DOTA 2 despite its price when it finally launches.

 

[Slyfox696]

I don't. It's that simple. It's silly to me to pay an extra $60 a year (at least that's what it used to be) on inferior hardware just to hear a bunch of whiny 14 year olds cussing because you shot them in the head. I have a PS3 and haven't regretted it once.

I suppose rather than asking why people pay the equivalent to one game a year for a superior online service that hasn't been closed down due to major security flaws in the last twelve months you should ask yourself: Why pay more for the PS3 console?

I have no idea why you would pay more when the PS3 is cheaper, even before figuring in the cost of online.

PS3 w/ 320 GB HD AND the PS3 Game of the Year by many peple vs. Xbox260 w/ 250 GB HD and no game.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+...ndle/3652529.p?id=1218424557825&skuId=3652529

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Microso...sole/1069212.p?id=1218216740587&skuId=1069212

Same price, right? And I even get Uncharted 3 with my larger sized hard dive, free online play and Blu-Ray playing capabilities on the PS3. Moving on to the motion detectors...


PS3 w/ 320 GB HD and Playstation Move vs. Xbox360 w/ 250 GB HD and Kinect

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+...ndle/3061366.p?id=1218383894022&skuId=3061366

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Microso...ndle/1219686.p?id=1218237046870&skuId=1219686

If you look at regular pricing, the Playstation 3 is cheaper than the Xbox, even with the bigger hard drive, free online play and Blu-Ray playing capabalities.


So that's a good question...why would you pay more for a PS3 when it costs less than an Xbox360?

360 + XBLGold = cheaper than a PS3.

PS3 = cheaper than Xbox360 BEFORE you pay for Xbox Live.

You may think you're getting the better deal on the PS3 for online gaming, but you're not. The XBL service is better overall than the PSN

Because...?

 

[Davi323]

Why pay more for the PS3 console?

Because you are getting not only a gaming console, you are also getting a damn good Blu-Ray player to go with it. The Blu-Ray in the PS3 is not a cheap add-on just to sell more units, Sony put in a very good quality Blu-Ray player in there. You get a PS3 gaming console PLUS a Blu-Ray player that is easily worth an additional 130-150 bucks.

If you have a standalone Blu-Ray player, obviously this wouldn't be a big deal, but if you have an HDTV and want a home theater experience with as few cords as possible, the PS3 makes a hell of a lot more sense than an XBox 360 + separate Blu-Ray player.

The 360 is cheaper by itself...but in order to duplicate the features of the PS3, you need to buy other stuff, and that makes it more expensive overall.

 

[justinsayne]

It should also be noted that another one of the little bonus's that you get with the PS3 that you don't get with the 360 is rechargeable controllers, the PS3 controllers don't require any batteries & hold a charge for a long ass time, unless I'm mistaken the 360's controllers batteries. I'd much rather be able to plug a controller into the console & let it charge while I'm not using it rather than be spending a fortune on batteries (I've also had this issue with the Wii, & it fucking annoying, especially when the batteries die while you're playing).

 

[Trill Co$by]

Because, after playing both, I found that I could get greater enjoyment out of a PS3 than a 360, I also found that I really don't use the online shit as often as I thought (netflix & DLing Demos of games mostly), so paying for it feels like a waste of money. Where the PS3 may have had the YLOD issue, they seemed to have occured far less than the 360's Red Ring. The 360 may be cheaper but to me it just feels like I get alot more of a quality gaming/entertainment system with the PS3 than I would with the 360. Oh plus PS3 has a blu-ray, which is just a nice little bonus.

The whole "blu-ray" shit is ******ed. I don't care what you believe, Blu-Ray and HD are the same thing. Yes, I have a blu-ray compatible television and a high def television (most people can afford two tvs these days) and to me, they both look the same. The only reason why it's getting so much attention is because some idiot made it seem better when its not.

Furthermore, the RROD deal is actually a smart investment when you think about it. Each set of flashing lights lets you know EXACTLY what's wrong with your 360 and all you have to do from there is find the right equipment to fix it yourself. Whereas PS3, you just get hacked by some morons who take credit card information. Good luck fixing that one yourself

As for why I pay for XBL, it's quite simple... XBL is CONSTANTLY being updated by Microsoft to keep the spamming gamers out of the games and they find ways to constantly make online gaming fun. If you've ever played on PSN, which I have, they're slow to come out with overall PSN updates and always have so much negativity from gamers who believe that they're some kind of "legend". Like really, PSN is lame.

At the end of the day, I'd rather pay 250 for the console & 40+ dollars for a year subscription than to have the fun taken away from gaming because some dirt bag idiot can't shut up about how they can shoot a gun in a virtual reality world yet fail to mention that they've never been laid... nor will they ever.

 

[justinsayne]

The whole "blu-ray" shit is ******ed. I don't care what you believe, Blu-Ray and HD are the same thing. Yes, I have a blu-ray compatible television and a high def television (most people can afford two tvs these days) and to me, they both look the same. The only reason why it's getting so much attention is because some idiot made it seem better when its not.

So I can watch my blu-rays on a 360? news to me

Furthermore, the RROD deal is actually a smart investment when you think about it. Each set of flashing lights lets you know EXACTLY what's wrong with your 360 and all you have to do from there is find the right equipment to fix it yourself. Whereas PS3, you just get hacked by some morons who take credit card information. Good luck fixing that one yourself

So having a glitch that renders your console useless is a good investment? Yeah that doesn't sound absolutely ******ed at all

Also the Hackers didn't hack the PS3 consoles, they hack PSN, you could still play your PS3 you just couldn't get online with it temporarily, & what ****** keeps their CC info on their PS3?

At the end of the day, I'd rather pay 250 for the console & 40+ dollars for a year subscription than to have the fun taken away from gaming because some dirt bag idiot can't shut up about how they can shoot a gun in a virtual reality world yet fail to mention that they've never been laid... nor will they ever.[/QUOTE]

PS3 sells for $250 plus gives you free online access, & there are just as many if not more dipshits on XBL bitching about getting shot in the head as their are on PSN, so your argument on that is rather pointless & kinda stupid at that.

 

[Captain Morgan Freeman]

On the subject of the blue ray player, that was the precise reason i chose a Xbox 360 over a ps3. When me and my brother got our Xbox 360 the ps3 was 120 euro more expensive because of the blue ray player. If you value blue ray then the Ps3 is a good deal i guess but i just never noticed that big of a difference in blue ray to justify the extra cost.

Aren't the waiting times online longer with the PS3 due to not having dedicated servers like Microsoft?

 

[Davi323]

The whole "blu-ray" shit is ******ed. I don't care what you believe, Blu-Ray and HD are the same thing. Yes, I have a blu-ray compatible television and a high def television (most people can afford two tvs these days) and to me, they both look the same.

What the fuck are you talking about? What the hell is a Blu-Ray compatible TV? If you bought a TV because some salesman told you it was "Blu-Ray compatible", you got fucked in a very uncomfortable place, like the backseat of a Volkswagen. All HDTVs are going to have the right hookups in back to play Blu-Rays (HDMI/Component), and if you have a PS3 hooked up to a standard def TV, via RCA or S-Video, the PS3's Blu-Ray functionality will work too. It will just have to downscale the image to match the resolution, essentially turning it into a DVD player. You won't see Blu-Ray quality on a standard def TV, nor will you see Blu-Rays in their fullest on a 720p TV. Blu-Ray works best on TVs capable of displaying 1080p resolutions.

If you have a PS3 connected to a standard def TV, of course it's going to look the same, because it's been scaled down to fit, and you aren't using the Blu-Ray player to anything remotely approaching it's capabilities.

Are you talking about the differences between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD? Those are going to look very similar, because they are two different ways to use the same technology, both are capable of displaying content in full 1080 resolutions...however there is ONE, teeny, tiny difference that matters more than anything else. HD-DVD is dead. They lost. They stopped making HD-DVDs in 2008. They aren't available anymore. Oh, also a second difference: the PS3 has Blu-Ray built in, in order to play HD-DVDs on an xBox 360, you need to purchase an external HD-DVD drive that will be added on to your purchase costs, meaning it's not really as cheap as you thought it was.

Since there are no external Blu-Ray drives for the xBox 360, and you can't get new HD-DVD releases even if you own the HD-DVD drive, the PS3 still owns the 360 on this matter. Hope you like watching your old movies in HD-DVD, while all the new releases are being released on Blu-Ray.

 

[TheGamea]

The whole "blu-ray" shit is ******ed. I don't care what you believe, Blu-Ray and HD are the same thing. Yes, I have a blu-ray compatible television and a high def television (most people can afford two tvs these days) and to me, they both look the same. The only reason why it's getting so much attention is because some idiot made it seem better when its not.

Furthermore, the RROD deal is actually a smart investment when you think about it. Each set of flashing lights lets you know EXACTLY what's wrong with your 360 and all you have to do from there is find the right equipment to fix it yourself. Whereas PS3, you just get hacked by some morons who take credit card information. Good luck fixing that one yourself

As for why I pay for XBL, it's quite simple... XBL is CONSTANTLY being updated by Microsoft to keep the spamming gamers out of the games and they find ways to constantly make online gaming fun. If you've ever played on PSN, which I have, they're slow to come out with overall PSN updates and always have so much negativity from gamers who believe that they're some kind of "legend". Like really, PSN is lame.

At the end of the day, I'd rather pay 250 for the console & 40+ dollars for a year subscription than to have the fun taken away from gaming because some dirt bag idiot can't shut up about how they can shoot a gun in a virtual reality world yet fail to mention that they've never been laid... nor will they ever.

ummmm maybe I pretty much only play BF3 and BFBC2 online but wdf spams a gaming network, I have NEVER shot anyone and got sent an email to get 50 percent off my prescriptions or buy Viagra so wdf areyou doing and paying xbox live becuz they update their software...wdf...WHO likes DLing updates???

 

[Mayonnaise Warrior]

I pay for gold, because, for one, all I have is a 360, and two, is because getting to play online and party chat with friends together for four dollars a month is a pretty good deal.

 

[Trill Co$by]

First of all, for everyone saying Blu-Ray Compatible TVs don't exist...

What the hell is this... Yeah, you can might want to step to the side of the fan sooner or later, or that shit will keep hitting you in the face.

So I can watch my blu-rays on a 360? news to me

Do you REALLY think that there's a bigger difference in HD & Blu-Ray? I guess next you're going to tell me Chrysler and Dodge are owned by two different people right?

You out of the way of that fan yet?

So having a glitch that renders your console useless is a good investment? Yeah that doesn't sound absolutely ******ed at all

Really? You seriously believe that it's a glitch? The fact that if after four years, a console can easily tell you "I need a new A/V Cable" by simply giving you two flashing lights... you call that a glitch? Really? Cause where I come from, that's called technological advancement. Does a PS3 let you know what's wrong with it, if it messes up? And yes, it does mess up.

Also the Hackers didn't hack the PS3 consoles, they hack PSN, you could still play your PS3 you just couldn't get online with it temporarily, & what ****** keeps their CC info on their PS3?

Downloadable content isn't free buddy

PS3 sells for $250 plus gives you free online access, & there are just as many if not more dipshits on XBL bitching about getting shot in the head as their are on PSN, so your argument on that is rather pointless & kinda stupid at that.

XBL easily filters out said gamers and takes them offline. Sure, said gamer can easily repay 40 bucks for another year subscription just to play online again, but do you really think it's worth that much to them?

PSN, because they have a free server, takes a lot more time to remove gamers that become a nuisance to online gaming. But whatever, if you really think PSN's better then I hope you enjoy the taste of shit cause that fan's going to keep spraying it.

 

[Slyfox696]

First of all, for everyone saying Blu-Ray Compatible TVs don't exist...

What the hell is this...

Discontinued:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_20710_JVC-LT-42B300.html
http://store.jvc.com/product.asp?Model=LT-42B300

Good try though.

Do you REALLY think that there's a bigger difference in HD & Blu-Ray?

I don't understand what you are asking here. Blu-Ray IS high definition. In fact, most Blu-Ray videos run at 1080p, whereas most HD programming on television is either the 720p or 1080i, both inferior to 1080p. And if you're talking about the HD videos that were the competition for Blu-Ray, they have been discontinued. A long time ago.

Really? You seriously believe that it's a glitch? The fact that if after four years, a console can easily tell you "I need a new A/V Cable" by simply giving you two flashing lights... you call that a glitch? Really? Cause where I come from, that's called technological advancement. Does a PS3 let you know what's wrong with it, if it messes up? And yes, it does mess up.

Did you really just say a failing gaming console you paid over $300 for is a technological advancement because it told you it failed? Microsoft Windows has been doing that for 20 years with their famous Blue Screen of Death.

Try again, sport.

Downloadable content isn't free buddy

Actually, some of it is.

XBL easily filters out said gamers and takes them offline.

No they don't. I don't even have an Xbox but I've seen my brother play often enough to know you're completely wrong.

PSN, because they have a free server, takes a lot more time to remove gamers that become a nuisance to online gaming. But whatever, if you really think PSN's better then I hope you enjoy the taste of shit cause that fan's going to keep spraying it.

You link to a product which is discontinued, you don't understand media formats, you think flashing lights indicating a problem is a technological advancement, and you say Xbox takes gamers offline who are annoying.

I'm pretty sure you don't want to start talking about shit hitting the fan.

 

[gwarren]

Tbh, it doesn't really matter. I got a 360 because my friends all had it. All the people who bring up the subscription value of 360 are stupid, you do realise its less than $2 a week? Who can't afford that? And the red ring isn't as common as people make it out to be, of my 25 online friends, none of them have ever got the red ring of death. On the batteries argument, you can buy "Play and Charge" kits for $15.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I wouldn't pay for XBOX live over PSN for many different reasons:

1) PS3 is a BETTER system overall. From a technological standpoint it trumps Xbox 360 in almost every way. On top of that I didn't have to replace my PS3 4 times until I got one that consistently worked (same as all my friends).

2) IMO I enjoy the PS3 game library more than Xbox360. I would rather play games like MGS4, God of War, Infamous and Uncharted over Halo and Gears of War. Game library really comes down to personal preference and my preference is the PS3 library of games.

3) Why pay for something that I can get for free? Not only is the PSN free to use its for a system I prefer over Xbox 360. Sure the PSN has had issues in the past but usually it works like a charm. Outside of that time of period it was down I had zero issues with it and usually works great.

I can't speak for anyone but myself and my personal experiences but all I will say is every person I've met that argued how much better the 360 was shut up as soon as they had extended playtime with the PS3. Of course this isn't everyone but with all my friends and the people I know I would say 8/10 of them prefer a PS3 over a 360.

For myself I'm a PS3 guy so why would I invest extra money in a system that I find inferior? I have no issues with a 360 but its all about my preference. I barely ever play an Xbox and even if I did I'm not gonna pay an extra $60 a year (or whatever it costs) to do the same thing I can do on a PS3 (a system which I prefer) for free, that would be nonsensical.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Discontinued:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_20710_JVC-LT-42B300.html
http://store.jvc.com/product.asp?Model=LT-42B300

Good try though.

Discontinued =/= Non-Existent. It also doesn't mean I didn't buy one.

Good try though.

I don't understand what you are asking here. Blu-Ray IS high definition. In fact, most Blu-Ray videos run at 1080p, whereas most HD programming on television is either the 720p or 1080i, both inferior to 1080p. And if you're talking about the HD videos that were the competition for Blu-Ray, they have been discontinued. A long time ago.

Case and point. If they're the same, then obviously there's no difference. Gee, even a kid in Pre-K could've figured that one out.

Did you really just say a failing gaming console you paid over $300 for is a technological advancement because it told you it failed? Microsoft Windows has been doing that for 20 years with their famous Blue Screen of Death.

After four years, everything tends to wear out. The fact that the Xbox is able tell you how to fix it so that you can get a longer life span out of it is in fact an amazing technological advancement. Idk, maybe if PS3 had the same thing I wouldn't have had to pay so much money for them to fix it when I could just find another power plug/av chord that would work just find. Idk, sometimes I find it to a nice touch that an Xbox actually has that ability. But to each their own I guess.

Actually, some of it is.

So you don't use your credit card to buy WWE '12 DLC?

No they don't. I don't even have an Xbox but I've seen my brother play often enough to know you're completely wrong.

As someone who was once in the "OMG Im so Cash!" phase while on XBL, and got banned because of my "excessive language" and constant "disruptive behavior", I've got enough knowledge to know what I'm talking about.

You link to a product which is discontinued, you don't understand media formats, you think flashing lights indicating a problem is a technological advancement, and you say Xbox takes gamers offline who are annoying.

I'm pretty sure you don't want to start talking about shit hitting the fan.

1. DISCONTINUED does NOT mean that it never existed, nor does it NOT mean that people don't have them. It just means no longer available. Playstation 1 has been discontinued, but in your logic that obviously means they never existed.

2. I'm sorry, does your little PS3 ever tell you what's wrong with it? Oh, you had to send it to Sony? Well, when you get done handing your money over to Sony, feel free to come back about the flashing lights not being "technology advancement". Advancement does not mean new, it means it's a step forward in the right direction. And in this case, that's a great step.

3. They do, actually. As I stated above, XBL has in fact been known to filter out bad gamers who bring down the entertainment value of their product.


Again, you really need to get out of the way of that fan... and probably go back to elementary school so you can relearn to use a dictionary.

 

[Slyfox696]

Discontinued =/= Non-Existent. It also doesn't mean I didn't buy one.

Good try though.

Yes, but it DOES mean there has been basically no demand for such a TV. Not only that, the quality of Blu-Ray inside the TV is likely either mediocre, OR the price of the TV is higher than it should be. Oh, and let's not forget to mention the lack of Wi-Fi capabilities included with the Blu-Ray player...or, you know, the ability to play games.

So let's recap. You paid a higher price for an inferior product with no Wi-Fi or ability to play games.

What exactly was your point again?

Case and point. If they're the same, then obviously there's no difference. Gee, even a kid in Pre-K could've figured that one out.

What the fuck are you babbling about? You're not making one bit of sense.

Blu-Ray is the only way to get High Definition video on a disc to be played in a media player. There is no Blu-Ray player currently in an Xbox system.

Do you even have the first clue what you're talking about?

After four years, everything tends to wear out.

Yes, but we aren't talking about 4 years, we are talking about 4 months. There was an incredibly high failure rate of NEW Xbox360 consoles.

Seriously, stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself.

The fact that the Xbox is able tell you how to fix it so that you can get a longer life span out of it is in fact an amazing technological advancement.

No it's not. Motherboards have beep codes to tell you if there is a bad component inside your computer, and have for 30 years. You seriously don't have the first clue as to what you are talking about.

Idk, maybe if PS3 had the same thing I wouldn't have had to pay so much money for them to fix it when I could just find another power plug/av chord that would work just find.

What the fuck are you talking about? Xbox360 was experiencing a high failure rate for reasons other than having the wrong cord.

http://www.squidoo.com/xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_fix-how_to_guide123

So you don't use your credit card to buy WWE '12 DLC?

I don't buy DLC.

As someone who was once in the "OMG Im so Cash!" phase while on XBL, and got banned because of my "excessive language" and constant "disruptive behavior", I've got enough knowledge to know what I'm talking about.

That's great, they kicked one dumbass off the network. There are plenty more out there. So your "easily filters out said gamers and takes them offline" is completely wrong. Like most of the rest of your post.

1. DISCONTINUED does NOT mean that it never existed, nor does it NOT mean that people don't have them.

Who said otherwise? Way to miss the point.

2. I'm sorry, does your little PS3 ever tell you what's wrong with it?

Why should it? I've never had a problem with it.

That's the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox. You're gloating because your Xbox tells you it failed, and my PS3 just doesn't fail. What exactly is your point again?

Oh, you had to send it to Sony?

Just like the large number of people had to send their Xbox to Microsoft. Are we really going to compare return to manufacturer rates? Because you'll get your ass kicked. Badly.

3. They do, actually.

Evidence proves otherwise.

Again, you really need to get out of the way of that fan... and probably go back to elementary school so you can relearn to use a dictionary.

A dictionary? What use is that here? Did you say a word and think I didn't understand the definition of it? You do realize what a dictionary is, correct?

It's obvious the only one here who needs a refresher course in elementary schooling is you, in order to improve your obviously mediocre reading comprehension ability.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Yes, but it DOES mean there has been basically no demand for such a TV. Not only that, the quality of Blu-Ray inside the TV is likely either mediocre, OR the price of the TV is higher than it should be. Oh, and let's not forget to mention the lack of Wi-Fi capabilities included with the Blu-Ray player...or, you know, the ability to play games.

So let's recap. You paid a higher price for an inferior product with no Wi-Fi or ability to play games.

What exactly was your point again?

Who said I bought a tv to play games? I said I've got a Blu-Ray compatible TV (A tv that plays blu-ray movies) and didn't see any difference between HD & Blu-Ray side by side so there wasn't really a significant reason to choose PS3 Blu-Rays over 360 HDs.

What the fuck are you babbling about? You're not making one bit of sense.

Blu-Ray is the only way to get High Definition video on a disc to be played in a media player. There is no Blu-Ray player currently in an Xbox system.

Do you even have the first clue what you're talking about?

PS3 operates with Blu-Ray
360 operates with HD

When you put the two side by side, as I have before, there's no significant difference. Case and point, GTA IV looks just the same on a PS3 and 360. Why would I pay an extra hundred dollars for a console's video output that is the EXACT same as a cheaper model?

Yes, but we aren't talking about 4 years, we are talking about 4 months. There was an incredibly high failure rate of NEW Xbox360 consoles.

Seriously, stop talking. You're embarrassing yourself.

WHERE did I EVER say four months. Find that, without editing my post, and we'll get back to that.

No it's not. Motherboards have beep codes to tell you if there is a bad component inside your computer, and have for 30 years. You seriously don't have the first clue as to what you are talking about.

But to further expand on them, like all of Microsoft products do, is advancement. That's what the word ADVANCE means... to go FORWARD. READ A DICTIONARY.

What the fuck are you talking about? Xbox360 was experiencing a high failure rate for reasons other than having the wrong cord.

http://www.squidoo.com/xbox_360_red_ring_of_death_fix-how_to_guide123

Maybe, but there are different levels of RRODs that tell you what exactly needs to be fixed and where the problem is located.

The example I give you is a 2 flashing light where the AV Cable needs to be exchanged, or the problem itself is further inside that connective component. Again, how is it a bad thing that it tells you that?

I don't buy DLC.

So you're one of the few who don't. Others actually do add on content, and when PSN got hacked, every user who bought DLC with their credit card made it easier for their information to be taken. If you'd read the rest of the disagreement between justinsayne and I, you would've got to that part. But reading isn't your strong point I take it.

That's great, they kicked one dumbass off the network. There are plenty more out there. So your "easily filters out said gamers and takes them offline" is completely wrong. Like most of the rest of your post.

There are plenty of examples, many of people on youtube have complaint videos about being kicked offline for "disruptive behavior" or other acts that take away from gaming. XBL may not be able to get rid of every gamer that does it, but the make a great stride in it. You can't ever get rid of trolls, because that's like getting rid of murderers... for every one you take away, ten more appear.

Who said otherwise? Way to miss the point.

You did... or did you not read what you were quoting before responding?

Why should it? I've never had a problem with it.

That's the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox. You're gloating because your Xbox tells you it failed, and my PS3 just doesn't fail. What exactly is your point again?

Really? Cause I got my PS3 a few months after I got my 360, yet my 360 still works. My PS3, however, doesn't. Even after I sent it in twice for repairs. Lesson learned, never making that mistake again. And yes, I take care of all my gaming consoles.

Just like the large number of people had to send their Xbox to Microsoft. Are we really going to compare return to manufacturer rates? Because you'll get your ass kicked. Badly.

Rates are highly disputable. But if you want to go with that as your backing then sure, we can go that route.

Evidence proves otherwise.

Experience is a far better bargaining tool in this argument. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no substitution for experience.

A dictionary? What use is that here? Did you say a word and think I didn't understand the definition of it? You do realize what a dictionary is, correct?

Confusing discontinued with non-existent.

It's obvious the only one here who needs a refresher course in elementary schooling is you, in order to improve your obviously mediocre reading comprehension ability.

Really? Cause it seems like you COMPLETELY missed the whole point of the topic here.

But whatever, I'm done with this pointless topic.

 

[Slyfox696]

Who said I bought a tv to play games? I said I've got a Blu-Ray compatible TV (A tv that plays blu-ray movies) and didn't see any difference between HD & Blu-Ray side by side so there wasn't really a significant reason to choose PS3 Blu-Rays over 360 HDs.

Except that Xbox360 doesn't have HD videos anymore. The HD format got discontinued a long time ago. Now the only newer movies you can play on an Xbox are DVDs. Which is a clear advantage for the Blu-Ray capable PS3.

I said this already. Seriously, pay attention.

PS3 operates with Blu-Ray
360 operates with HD

When you put the two side by side, as I have before, there's no significant difference. Case and point, GTA IV looks just the same on a PS3 and 360. Why would I pay an extra hundred dollars for a console's video output that is the EXACT same as a cheaper model?

Are you really this stupid?

We're talking about videos...movies...TV shows, etc. Yes, Xbox games and PS3 games look similar, but that's NOT the only reason to have a Blu-Ray player. Blu-Ray MOVIES can also be played on the PS3, but not an Xbox, which is what justinsayne was saying in the first place. Remember this?

So I can watch my blu-rays on a 360? news to me

Do you REALLY think that there's a bigger difference in HD & Blu-Ray?

Seriously, you cannot be this stupid. Perhaps you were simply confused on what we were discussing. If that's what it is, just simply say so. I'll forgive you, it happens.

WHERE did I EVER say four months.

You didn't, I did. You said a lot of hardware fails in 4 years, and I pointed out that many Xbox360s didn't make it 4 months before they failed. Thus your response was ridiculous.

But to further expand on them, like all of Microsoft products do, is advancement. That's what the word ADVANCE means... to go FORWARD. READ A DICTIONARY.

Except Microsoft doesn't make computer motherboards, so you look like a dumbass. And by the way, when you're talking about doing the exact same thing that has been done for 30 years, that's not "advancing" or going "forward". That's doing the exact same thing that has been done for 30 years.

I'm well aware of what the word "advance" means. Which is why I can confidently say doing the same thing which has been done for thirty years is not an advancement. Perhaps you need to spend a little time with a dictionary.

Maybe, but there are different levels of RRODs that tell you what exactly needs to be fixed and where the problem is located.

That's great, who gives a fuck? Motherboards have different beep codes for different problems. Hardly an advancement.

The example I give you is a 2 flashing light where the AV Cable needs to be exchanged, or the problem itself is further inside that connective component. Again, how is it a bad thing that it tells you that?

It's a bad thing because when most of the problems are the ones you say is "further inside the connective component" that shows the Xbox is/was shoddily put together. Which is what led to such high failure rates for the console, failure rates not seen by either the Wii or PS3.

So you're one of the few who don't.

I'm one of many who don't.

Others actually do add on content, and when PSN got hacked, every user who bought DLC with their credit card made it easier for their information to be taken.

Oh please. First of all, credit card information is much easier to create for someone than to hack a network server and steal. Second of all, the credit card information which MIGHT have been stolen, did not include the card security code. Finally, most people purchase Xbox Live Gold accounts with a debit/credit card, or buy the Microsoft points with debit/credit card, so your information is every bit as much at risk then as it is anywhere else.

Seriously, just stop.

There are plenty of examples, many of people on youtube have complaint videos about being kicked offline for "disruptive behavior" or other acts that take away from gaming.

And many more still exist. How do you not understand that you can provide as many examples as you want of people getting kicked off, the fact there are examples of annoying fucks still on there completely extinguishes any point you're trying to make?

You did... or did you not read what you were quoting before responding?

I never said they didn't exist. I said the one example you gave was discontinued.

Try again, kid.

Really? Cause I got my PS3 a few months after I got my 360, yet my 360 still works. My PS3, however, doesn't. Even after I sent it in twice for repairs. Lesson learned, never making that mistake again. And yes, I take care of all my gaming consoles.

Rates are highly disputable. But if you want to go with that as your backing then sure, we can go that route.

I took the care to organize these by date posted, just for you.

http://consumerist.com/2009/08/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html
http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-en...box-360-failure-rate-is-twice-that-of-wii-ps3

I assure you this is not a direction you wish to take this conversation.

Experience is a far better bargaining tool in this argument. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's no substitution for experience.

My evidence is my experience. Again, reading comprehension...look into it.

Confusing discontinued with non-existent.

If that's what you're using to decide whether or not one needs to spend time with their dictionary, then I highly suggest you pull yours out. Because I never said they didn't exist, merely said they were discontinued. YOU were the one who thought that I said because they were discontinued they didn't exist.

Feel free to consult that dictionary now, big guy.

Really? Cause it seems like you COMPLETELY missed the whole point of the topic here.

Not at all. The point was the PS3 is a less expensive system, with a far lower failure rate, the ability to play Blu-Ray movies and a free online system. No, I'm quite certain I understand the point quite well.

But whatever, I'm done with this pointless topic.

If I were getting my ass kicked the way you are right now, I'd run away too.

 

[Chess]

I am lucky enough to have both consoles but I tend to Xbox more. For me Xbox live has far better features than the PS3 as well as looking and feeling a whole lot better than a blank screen and list menu. I can watch movies, stream TV channels and I can use it to watch my Sky TV when I go away by simply taking my XBox 360. For me it has better games to download like Trials or Limbo and lets face it £2 a month is nothing.

I bought a PS3 simply for God of War series and Metal Gear solid but I also found the gem that was heavy rain. However if I compare that with the Halo series, Gears of War, Forza series and the ever improving Kinect I think Xbox is moving ahead when it comes to console specific games, especially as Metal Gear is now coming to the 360.

Finally I prefer the Xbox 360 contollers for FPS and driving games, the PS3 is probably better for 3rd person but I do notplay many of them.

So overall I guess I pay for Xbox live as it has more features, it looks better, I prefer the console specific games and the controller. Also I cannot notice any difference in graphics between the PS3 and Xbox but I feel Xbox live has much less lag than the PS3 does on games like MW3. Yes the PS3 has more power and a better spec than the 360 but until they figure out how to utilize this and blow me away with superior graphics and better games I will continue to prefer the 360.

 

[Davi323]

PS3 operates with Blu-Ray
360 operates with HD

Ummm, This is not actually true. The XBox 360 only has standard definition DVD capabilities standard. In order to get the HD-DVD functionality, you had to buy an external HD-DVD drive to attach to it, which ended up making the cost of purchasing the 360 as high if not higher than that of the PS3. The PS3 is capable of playing Blu-Ray formatted discs right out of the box.

AND, please, for the love of God, stop referring to it as HD. HD is a generic term referring to any format that is hi definition. The proper term you are looking for is called HD-DVD. HD =/= HD-DVD. The two terms are not equivalent.

But, I shouldn't be surprised, because everything in your posts so far have indicated that you are a complete technological moron.

Here is a handy dandy little key for you to wrap your puny brain around:
My cable package is HD.
Local channels received over the antenna are HD.
HD-DVD is HD.
Blu-Ray is HD.
A standard definition DVD playing on an HDTV is not HD.

Or, to make it even simpler, all HD-DVD formats are HD, but not all HD formats are HD-DVD.