Who's The Better Wrestler?

Whos the better wrestler?

  • Shawn Michaels

  • John Cena


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im sorry but how can u say that!?!?!john cena is nuthin compared 2 hbk and the only reason why he is the champ 4 so long is coz he sucks up 2 mcmahon!!!

I really don't know how valid your last statement was in regards to Cena "sucking up 2 mcmahon". However, I do think Shawn Michaels is the better wrestler between the two. For years he has put on some great matches, but I think that it is a testament to him that he has put on SOLID matches against sub-power preformers over the years.
I am not putting down Cena either. I know he gets a lot of stick on this forum, which is fine, obviously people think different. I'm entertained by him, and I think when he gets to Shawn Michaels age he will have achieved a lot.
 
John Cena has potential to be the next Shawn Micheals but he is being held back. John Cena is being limited imo but he is still getting over. He only has 5 moves in his arsenal but in every match he tries something new and it shows how he strives to do something new and he wants a new arsenal. John Cena has mic skills and charisma. Same would go for Shawn Micheals. But Micheals is way better in the ring. He has had 5 star matches with the likes of Bret Hart, Triple H, Razor Romon and etc. John Cena yet to had a five star match with anybody. He has maybe 4 1/2 star match with some peeps at the most. HBK even with his current injuries can put up a 5 star match or a better match than Cena. In 2005 he carried Hogan. No one could of carried Hogan the way Micheals did. Micheals made that match good. A Cena and Hogan match would be a snooze fest. So my answer is simple. HBK.

I agree on the most part except for the Cena mic skills. When I listen to and see wrestlers like Edge, I believe he is Edge and he means what he says. When Cena comes out it seems so much like he is a guy acting and just trying to be tough. I don't believe him or his charisma. I like him as a person but as a wrestler he is still just this exhausted corporate school boy. I'd like him more if he weren't being pushed with such relentlessness.
 
WHAT?!?!?!? Is this even a valid question? If it is then the right answer is Shawn Michaels, The Heartbreak Kid, The Showstoppa, The Icon, The Main Event or whatever you want to call him. Then you got Cena The Rappin "Marine" Come on the guy is good at promos and seems to be getting better in the ring but he will never out werestle Shawn Michaels. They are both future Hall of Famers but Michaels can run circles around Cena.
 
"You Screwed Bret!"
ha!
I think the obvious answer though is Shawn, but people give Cena stick, when I don't think he deserves it! He's one of the hardest workers out there at the moment and in this year alone, he hasn't disappointed in his matches so far.
Shawn is only the obvious choice as he obviously put a lot more into the business due to him being around a hell of a lot longer!
Guaranteed, in 10 years time Cena will be up there, appreciated by the die hards, and still impressing the new fans, the 5 year olds! (one of the embarrassing things of being an 18 year old fan of Cena).

Whatever really, think what you like....I like him!
 
this shouldnt have even been posted
Cena=pussy who sucks vince's cock and his only fans are 5 year olds
Michaels=legend, future wwe hall of famer, has had every single wwe belt, and he's one of the best all-time

no teeens like john cena like me jus not 90 year olds like u guys hu keep saying cena sux he doesnt michaels is good and cena is good but hbk wins here but hbk does the suplex closeline elbow drop sweet chin music and diving clothesline cena does shoolder block clothes line and punches kicks fishermans carry 5 nuckle shuffle spin out power bob FU STFU leg drop thing o and hbk does piledriver cena does more than that i listed
 
This is a pretty tough comparison if you ask me. On one hand, you have HBK who has delivered many top notch matches over the years and is certainly a very good wrestler. On the other hand, you have Cena, whom I consider one of the top wrestlers in the WWE right now, whose list of work is no where near as long as HBK's, but who also hasn't been around as long either.

I would consider selling to be pretty even. While Shawn sells an ass-kicking better than just about anyone, he also has a tendency to over-sell which kills some realism in his match. Cena, for the most part, is a very good seller as well. If HBK wouldn't so blatantly oversell so often (and that's not even taking into account his match with Hogan), he would definitely get the nod here. But, since he does, it makes it VERY tough to choose.

As far as carrying the offensive portion of a match, I don't think either one of them have shown an ability to do it with any particular greatness. Clearly, both of their best abilities is taking the beating. Personally, I prefer Cena's offense to HBK's because it's more believable to me, but I could just as easily understand someone choosing HBK here.

Intangibles - Things like storytelling, psychology and charisma both do EXCEPTIONALLY well. I am going to have to give the slight nod to HBK, for the simple fact he has been doing it longer, and has proven that he can do it long-term.

In the end, I guess I have to go with HBK, but almost entirely because of experience and history. When Cena is 41 years of age, I wouldn't be surprised if I changed my answer.


Shawn Michaels...Final Answer
 
Omg you are unbelievable.

You actually said that it’s a hard decision to compare HBK to Cena?

Talk about selling; are you forgetting When Cena acted like an amateur and didn’t sell his leg injury at WM???

Over selling is fine to some extent but not selling when you’re supposed to at the biggest event in history in the MAIN EVENT?

And it’s who’s the better ‘wrestler’ well from my point of view and most on this board Cena is a terrible wrestler. Hes made matches crap at times when it was impossible.
WM Main events
21: Cena vs JBL = Utter crap which is obvious since JBL isn’t that good
22: Cena vs Triple H = Hmm one of best wrestlers of all time, NO still shit match.
23: Cena vs HBK = same as before but once again SHIT MATCH

I’m sorry there is no excuse.

I’ve seen you around, face it Cena is rubbish and to compare him to HBK is blasphemy.

Like I’ve said many times before Cena should have stayed in the US division which would have actually been very good, feuding with MVP and kenady.
 
I suggest you watch out there dan and don't make this too personal. If you insult the guy again you're going to end up in deep shit. I disagree with his opinion strongly as well, but you need to present yourself in a respectful manner, or else conversation just deterioates to schoolyard insults and bickering.

I've already given my answer to this question many times: HBK. The greatest wrestler of all time, hands down and no ifs ands or buts in my book. I seem not to be the only fan of his work either as he did afterall win the WrestleZone tournament.
 
Talk about selling; are you forgetting When Cena acted like an amateur and didn’t sell his leg injury at WM???
Maybe I was just remembering HBK vs. Hogan at Summerslam...

And, one instance of forgetful selling does not make a bad seller. It makes it one mistake.

And it’s who’s the better ‘wrestler’ well from my point of view and most on this board Cena is a terrible wrestler. Hes made matches crap at times when it was impossible.
Well, while I do like this board, this board does not speak for all wrestling fans. There are other places that speak well of Cena's wrestling ability.

I’ve seen you around, face it Cena is rubbish and to compare him to HBK is blasphemy.
Pretty certain I did not create this thread...
 
Well this thread was created in a joking manner because they wanted to see how many Cena marks would actually think Cena is better than HBK.
And 86% to 14% pretty much shows it.
However is this poll was on WWE. com It would be around 50/50
This is beacuse the Majority of John Cena fans know very very little about wrestling, but your an exception obviously.
 
Well this thread was created in a joking manner because they wanted to see how many Cena marks would actually think Cena is better than HBK.
And 86% to 14% pretty much shows it.
However is this poll was on WWE. com It would be around 50/50
This is beacuse the Majority of John Cena fans know very very little about wrestling, but your an exception obviously.
Well, I can't speak on HBK, but I know I created a poll somewhere else about who was better between Bryan Danielson and John Cena.

John Cena - 45 votes or 37.19%
Danielson - 64 votes or 52.89%
"They are both so fantastic I can't choose" - 7 votes or 5.79%
"They both suck" - 5 votes or 4.13%

And, while this poll comparing HBK/Cena was made on Jan 30, mine was created May 21.

And, many of the voters for John Cena over AmDrag are some of the more respected members of the board, most of which have extensive knowledge of Indy and Japan wrestling. They are by no means ignorant to good wrestling.


So, obviously, intense John Cena hatred is not universal around the IWC.


With that being said, I voted for HBK as well.
 
I don't hate Cena I just don't pay him any attention to tell you the truth. He just seems like a Rock wannabe and I think we all know there will never be another Great One!! I dare somebody to reply and tell me that deep down in there soul they think Cena is better then Trish really. I triple dog dare you hahaha
 
When it comes down to actual wrestling, HBK gets the beatdown on Cena, but Cena has a lot of other talents in the ring, and he makes for more interesting matches than HBK. I have to vote Cena.

By the way, thumbs up to Orton for taking HBK out.
 
I'm not really a fan of Shawn Micheals,
but I easily recognize that he is a better wrestler and performer.
Cena's matches seem to lag in excitement while HBK knows how to work the crowd and do some amazing moves.
 
If John Cena ever gets in the HOF, I'll be more pissed than when Batista beat King Booker at Survivor Series, When Bret Hart was screwed at Survivor Series 97, when John Cena defeated Edge for the title at Unforgiven, and when WWE fired Sabu a month or 2 ago combined...

When Shawn Michaels gets in the HOF, i'll be happier than when Jeff Hardy won the Hardcore Title from Mike Awesome, when Stone Cold attacked Vince from a Zamboni on RAW, when Edge cashed in the MOTB and beat John Cena for the WWE Title, and when Benoit beat the shit out of Doink The Clown combined. RIP Benoit.
 
Alright, I'm a mark for HBK, and have been for the last five years. I'm biased, but I am going to try and take a shot at being a fair advocate of both performers.

Shawn is absolutely amazing at walking the fine line between looking strong as a character while still putting people over. Face it, some people... when you take away their title or give them a loss, it utterly destroys their momentum. Not so with Shawn. How many times have we seen this set-up:

-Shawn gets a title shot. He enters the match, and loses.
-The next night on RAW a heel gives him serious crap, or is the one responsible for him not winning the title.
-Shawn goes on to the next PPV and slaps the heel around.

Ironically, this set-up seems to make Shawn look stronger than as if he had ACTUALLY won the title in the first place. I think Michaels might actually be deserving of the fictitious title of "Greatest Number One Contender" of all time.

Now look at John. Figure4 stated some matches that were hailed as great. I will agree with a few of them, but most of them were early on. I remember the first time I ever saw John Cena on televison. I remember his rise through his gimmicks, and honestly... I remember John for his street fight with that julio when he was in his United States championship prime. THAT was a good Cena. The problem was, he became the WWE champion and its almost like he stopped trying to improve his character. His work rate hasn't really changed, but he's had the exact same M.O. for far too long now.

Granted, its an era thing.. and I am sure a lot of people in the arenas don't know anything about Shawn before his return in '02 other than flashback videos and DVDs. Anyone else remember when Shawn came out to the Undertaker's entrance, the lights came on, and the DX theme roared over the loud speakers and the crowd went ballistic?

Its not necessarily the stupid that think Cena is better, vote for him, or cheer for him at arenas. It just seems to be the NEW people. Anytime I would speak to a wrestling fan at a RAW DEAL event (That's the card game for those of you that don't know), and I'd set down my Shawn Michaels deck and get ready.. there was almost always either a huge Cena mark or a Mysterio mark.

Cena is the modern poster child. He's good at what he does, and he pleases the masses for what he does. He's a 2007 Hulk Hogan. No one is going to remember Hogan for his phenomenal wrestling. He is remember for being in Suburban Commando, having his face on lunch boxes, and his cartoon.

Cena and Hogan are cut from the same cloth, as they are more entertainers that rolled with what worked and sold merchandise than actual wrestling savants.

Just as Michaels and Undertaker are cut from the same cloth as consummate professionals that are not afraid to put other people over and are basically bigger than the titles themselves.

Oh, and sorry for the late run in:

*Frees XBEFOREFEAR from Prax' Indian Death Lock with a Top Rope Elbow Drop!*
 
this is horrible, why would you compare a hack like michaels to the great man cena?!? cena has held the title for nearly a year now, michaels "cant touch him, its horrible they have given the tag team title to such an unworthy wrestler who isnt fit to hold cena's boots"
cena by a mile

I'm guessing you're about 10-14 yrs old, because any actual fan of WRESTLING will tell you Shawn is the better by far. A lame shoulder-tackle and a horribly modified Perfect-plex are about the moves Cena knows. Oh wait...let me give him the STF, a basic submission, as credit.


CENA = LAME
 
Seriously, even if you are 12 years old you should be able to see that Michaels is a ridiculous wrestler. I'm sorry to tell you but Cena just isn't that good. IF you actually think otherwise then you should stop watching wrestling, because he really isn't that entertaining either.

Cena is not a great wrestler. It's a fact not an opinion.
 
i cant belive 60 ppl voted for cena
if you have a litle wrestling knowledgh then you would know who is better
i mean how can you compere cena and hbk

this tread shoulb be deleted
 
I'm guessing you're about 10-14 yrs old, because any actual fan of WRESTLING will tell you Shawn is the better by far. A lame shoulder-tackle and a horribly modified Perfect-plex are about the moves Cena knows. Oh wait...let me give him the STF, a basic submission, as credit.
I'm 22 years old, a college senior, a basketball coach, a hired teacher, and have been watching wrestling since I was 4. What do you have for me?

I'm a fan of wrestling, and I think Cena is just as good as HBK. I voted HBK (I think) but only because he's been around longer. But to say HBK is better by far? That's just a gross misstatement. When HBK isn't main-eventing he half-asses it in the ring, and when he doesn't get his way, he pouts like a 5 year old. Cena comes to work every night, and gives everything he cans to put on a great match. You talk about moveset, as if that really matters in a professional wrestling match, but let's go ahead and talk movesets.

HBK's moveset: Punch, chop, get beat up for 15 minutes, flying forearm, a nip-up which completely no-sells an entire match of offense, elbow drop from the top-rope and the wind-up for Sweet Chin Music, which he usually misses the first time, only to connect a few seconds later. That is HBK's entire moveset in most matches. Now, how does that make him any better than Cena?
 
cena, shawn who? Shawn is only good with someone like a part of dx, or with diesel or when he was with sensational sherry.
 
Ok somone please close this thread, this is ridiculous. I cant believe people are arguing this.

Hey what's better to drink? Water or acid? Oh acid all the way. That's teh equivalent of your Cena is better argument. He simply is not.
 
No doubt I went with HBK first. I think Cena is talented but his moves are limited. He needs to stop and regroup his character. He reminds me of a wana-be Rock so bad sometimes with his promos that I wonder if Vince recognizes this. Then again they made him the big star, but god damn just use something original, they pay the creative enough to do this stuff!
 
Ok somone please close this thread, this is ridiculous. I cant believe people are arguing this.

Hey what's better to drink? Water or acid? Oh acid all the way. That's teh equivalent of your Cena is better argument. He simply is not.
This is quite possibly the best argument I have ever read in my entire life. Why bother with valid reasons, statistics and arguments when instead you can give half-assed examples with no bearing on the actual discussion? :rolleyes:

Instead of involving things that have nothing to do with the topic, why don't you explain what makes Shawn Michaels the far superior wrestler? Try to convince me that HBK is in another league. Give actual reasons, using the basic concepts of pro wrestling as your guide. I would love to read them, because I went back a couple pages and couldn't find such a post from you.

So, please. Share with us (me) why HBK is in an entirely separate league.
 

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