Who's Being More Stubborn?

[It's Damn Real!]

Bruno is more stubborn. There is no harm or risk in being inducted in to a Hall of Fame and giving a little speech in front of adoring fans.

Sting wrestling in WWE is far more risky at this point in his career. There is probably some fear in his mind that he would walk in to WM and stink up the joint. Not a good legacy to leave.

Highly doubtful. I think the fear is that he walks into the place and people don't really know who he is, not with him putting on a bad match. Whens the last time you saw Sting wrestle a bad match? Seriously?

 

[hatehabsforever]

Highly doubtful. I think the fear is that he walks into the place and people don't really know who he is, not with him putting on a bad match. Whens the last time you saw Sting wrestle a bad match? Seriously?

So, in your opinion, the answer to Haiku's question is.....?

 

[justinsayne]

Someone answer this for me: why is it so important to see Sting go to WWE? He's most famous for NEVER going to WWE, so why take away the most famous part of his career?

Because wrestling fans are selfish assholes.

Sting doesn't owe anyone a thing and I don't get this mentality that his career is incomplete by not going to Vince's company.

Your talking to the same people who claim Rock turned his back on them, because he found a new career path, & left, yet hate Triple H for staying & supposedly holding talent back. Same for Lesnar he left to peruse other interest, though oddly enough Jericho never seems to suffer from that same Backlash. wrestling fans are selfish they beleive wrestlers owe them everything.

I personally don't care if either Sting/Taker or Sammartino HoF ever happen. I didn't grow up watching or ever caring about Sammartino, he's not one of my guys, so why would I ever give a shit if he goes into the HoF or not? As for Sting/Taker, this match might have been worth seeing like 5 yrs. ago, but Sting as proven he really can't go more than 10 mins. in a one on one match, both these guy best days are behind them, so why waste a spot a WM card with a match that is never going to live up to the hype, & just give the IWC one more thing to piss & moan about?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

So, in your opinion, the answer to Haiku's question is.....?

Option C: WWE fans, who refuse to watch Sting go off on the stage he wishes to depart on, instead insisting that if he doesn't do it on their terms, he's doing himself a disservice.

Essentially what amounts to something like this:

WWE Fan: "Sting! You're an icon! You deserve to go out like one, on the biggest stage of all!"

Sting: "I'm just not comfortable doing it that way, as much as I appreciate the idea — TNA is home for me."

WWE Fan: "Fuck you, Sting. Who the fuck are you anyway? Just some loser 50+ year old has-been. No one would have paid to see you anyway!"

 

[Daniel]

Still confused as to why wrestling fans always feel so entitled.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Option C: WWE fans, who refuse to watch Sting go off on the stage he wishes to depart on, instead insisting that if he doesn't do it on their terms, he's doing himself a disservice.

Essentially what amounts to something like this:

WWE Fan: "Sting! You're an icon! You deserve to go out like one, on the biggest stage of all!"

Sting: "I'm just not comfortable doing it that way, as much as I appreciate the idea — TNA is home for me."

WWE Fan: "Fuck you, Sting. Who the fuck are you anyway? Just some loser 50+ year old has-been. No one would have paid to see you anyway!"

I hope you aren't simply lumping me in with all of the stereotypical WWE fans, because I have stated on multiple occasions that I don't care if Sting ever sets foot in a WWE ring, with the Undertaker or anyone else for that matter. In fact, as I've stated previously, Sting/Taker may have had some appeal in around 2000 or so, but not in 2013.

The question was who was most stubborn, and I think it's Sting. Stubborn does not necessarily mean wrong, it simply means obstinate. From the outside looking in, his reasons for continuously shunning the WWE seem to be indicative of stubbornness. Hell, if I were Sting at this stage of the game, I probably wouldn't come to WWE either. But it would have nothing to do with the excuses he typically uses. The allure of the unknown is alway more pallitable than confirmation of what the reality would possibly be.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Why would Sting come to WWE just to lose a match to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania?

Why is Sting vs Undertaker a dream match?

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I hope you aren't simply lumping me in with all of the stereotypical WWE fans, because I have stated on multiple occasions that I don't care if Sting ever sets foot in a WWE ring, with the Undertaker or anyone else for that matter. In fact, as I've stated previously, Sting/Taker may have had some appeal in around 2000 or so, but not in 2013.

The question was who was most stubborn, and I think it's Sting. Stubborn does not necessarily mean wrong, it simply means obstinate. From the outside looking in, his reasons for continuously shunning the WWE seem to be indicative of stubbornness. Hell, if I were Sting at this stage of the game, I probably wouldn't come to WWE either. But it would have nothing to do with the excuses he typically uses. The allure of the unknown is alway more pallitable than confirmation of what the reality would possibly be.

I'm not lumping anyone into anything. I'm saying, generally speaking, that's the attitude I see surrounding the Sting/Taker/WM talks. Generalized, that is.

Stubborn, in this case, is insinuating wrong, so in that case, the answer is neither. I read Haiku's thread as "who is more wrong", not OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, who is sticking to his guns more? Again, under the assumption I'm operating under (that this is not objective), the answer is (C) WWE fans, who refuse to watch Sting go off on the stage he wishes to depart on, instead insisting that if he doesn't do it on their terms, he's doing himself a disservice.

As to who among the two, objectively speaking, is sticking to his guns more? Bruno, by far. Sting has already admitted on numerous occasions that he's come very close to coming to WWE twice now.

 

[ABMorales787]

Sammy easily. He's not on TV. He's no longer in the wrestling business. He's not working for WWE's top opposer. Yeah, Sting being somewhat stubborn. For some reason he won't flat out say he's just being loyal. Sammy on the other hand..... I picture this:

Now geit ouf of his property!!!

 

[Nate DaMac]

Someone answer this for me: why is it so important to see Sting go to WWE? He's most famous for NEVER going to WWE, so why take away the most famous part of his career? Maybe he's happy with the money and fame he's got and just doesn't want to. Sting doesn't owe anyone a thing and I don't get this mentality that his career is incomplete by not going to Vince's company.

You're incredibly overstating this. Sting is known for never being in the WWE, but it is absolutely not what he is most famous for. You're in your own little bubble there.

Highly doubtful. I think the fear is that he walks into the place and people don't really know who he is, not with him putting on a bad match. Whens the last time you saw Sting wrestle a bad match? Seriously?

Every match I've seen of his in the past 3 years? He can't even do the Scorpion Death Lock anymore. He's painful to watch.

I don't care if he ever works a match in the WWE. I used to want to see it, part of me still does, but he's beyond awful in the ring now. The only reason I want to see him in the WWE just one time is so he can have a proper entrance for the first time in over a decade. With real Sting music, not the generic horseshit he has in TNA and a grand entrance with some theatrics. I want to see him him come out to a real live crowd. I hate the idea of one of the greatest of all time having to end their career in a glorified Indy production.

 

[klunderbunker]

You're incredibly overstating this. Sting is known for never being in the WWE, but it is absolutely not what he is most famous for. You're in your own little bubble there.

What's he more famous for? Standing in the rafters?

 

[Nate DaMac]

What's he more famous for? Standing in the rafters?

Well he was certainly more famous during that time-frame than he is now. So yeah.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'd think he's more famous overall for never coming to WWE than that year or so span, especially given how badly that fell apart at the end.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I'm still stumped by this Sting vs. Taker match. I'd rather see Sting vs. Cena if anything.

 

[Miko]

Fuck that, I want to see Sammartino vs Sting. Selfish *****

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Highly doubtful. I think the fear is that he walks into the place and people don't really know who he is, not with him putting on a bad match. Whens the last time you saw Sting wrestle a bad match? Seriously?

You make a good point regarding the population of people who don't know who he is and therefore are not going to cut him the slack that folks like me who have seen him work for 20+ years might.

As far as match quality goes Bad isn't the right word (unless you want to blame him for Victory Road ). The expectation, especially after last year's UT/HHH match and all the hype that would surround Sting going after The Streak is that the match would have to be grand. I am not sure if Sting has that in him. I think the fact that he never made it to WWE shows he is a proud man and that pride makes him fearful. I fear that he fears that not living up to expectations would be a killer to his legacy. A legacy that will ultimately be controlled by McMahon and family.

I don't know the man and I am just speculating but if I were him I may feel this way.

Option C: WWE fans, who refuse to watch Sting go off on the stage he wishes to depart on, instead insisting that if he doesn't do it on their terms, he's doing himself a disservice.

Essentially what amounts to something like this:

WWE Fan: "Sting! You're an icon! You deserve to go out like one, on the biggest stage of all!"

Sting: "I'm just not comfortable doing it that way, as much as I appreciate the idea — TNA is home for me."

WWE Fan: "Fuck you, Sting. Who the fuck are you anyway? Just some loser 50+ year old has-been. No one would have paid to see you anyway!"

We would have also said that using a baseball bat was a complete rip off of HHH's sledge hammer.

Still confused as to why wrestling fans always feel so entitled.

Obama!

I'm still stumped by this Sting vs. Taker match. I'd rather see Sting vs. Cena if anything.

Sting is great but Cena is a top five modern era guy still in his prime, Sting is arguably a top ten guy but far from his prime (similar to UT). Sting would be a waste on Cena's talents and as the someone who tries to see reasons and possibilities as to why anyone can win any match, I see no reason why Sting would go over Cena.

 

[Slash-LN]

I'd think he's more famous overall for never coming to WWE than that year or so span, especially given how badly that fell apart at the end.

I think you're partly right minus your poor wording. Saying he's known for his loyalty to WCW would be a much better way to put it. Plus you can't ignore his accomplishments and great matches with guys like Ric Flair. He's also well known for his gimmicks whether it be as the flashy blonde haired Sting or the transition to the "Crow" type Sting. I really think you're selling him short. If you were to ask wrestling fans to name their first memory or thought on Sting I don't think the majority would say that he never went to WWE.

On topic I think Bruno is being the more stubborn of the two but I can understand where he's coming from. He was a huge draw and it was kind of a slap in the face not to induct him in the hall of fame the first time around.

At least Sting has entertained the idea and has spoken with Vince about the possibility of going to the WWE. Maybe things have fallen apart and it didn't happen but he's tried more than once.

 

[klunderbunker]

I think you're partly right minus your poor wording. Saying he's known for his loyalty to WCW would be a much better way to put it. Plus you can't ignore his accomplishments and great matches with guys like Ric Flair. He's also well known for his gimmicks whether it be as the flashy blonde haired Sting or the transition to the "Crow" type Sting. I really think you're selling him short. If you were to ask wrestling fans to name their first memory or thought on Sting I don't think the majority would say that he never went to WWE.

On topic I think Bruno is being the more stubborn of the two but I can understand where he's coming from. He was a huge draw and it was kind of a slap in the face not to induct him in the hall of fame the first time around.

At least Sting has entertained the idea and has spoken with Vince about the possibility of going to the WWE. Maybe things have fallen apart and it didn't happen but he's tried more than once.

People would remember Undertaker for being more over the top and being the Dead Man, but what's he most famous for? The Streak. Same idea.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I have to go with Bruno because he is synonymous with the company looking to induct him in their HoF. Okay, he may have issues with VKM, but so have many of the people already there. Surely if his issue with the WWe HoF is it's legitimacy then the first step to resolving that is his own induction?

As for Sting - I'll ask again why loyalty to a company that has been very good to him = stubbornness for not joining the WWe? I have read many peoples opinions that he didn't deserve to go into the TNA HoF ahead of the Jarretts or even AJ and for a long time people even thought that it was going to be a gimmick for a BFG match. Nope, it was a very sincere gesture of gratitude to the first bona fide superstar to take a chance on TNA.

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As such, surely the most respectful gesture he can make in return is to finish his career in a TNA ring rather than a match that many would regard as a cynical end of career cash in facing someone in a company that he has zero history with?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I don't know why doing a WM program means he can't go back to TNA and finish his career afterward. I would think that would part of his and definitely TNA's demands.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I don't know why doing a WM program means he can't go back to TNA and finish his career afterward. I would think that would part of his and definitely TNA's demands.

Not so sure I see that happening. For Sting to make the leap of faith from TNA to WWE after years of coercing and anticipating, if it ever were to happen, I would imagine I would be a one way street. Having said that, I don't think this hypothetical will ever occur.

 

[shattered dreams]

To all those saying no one knows who Sting is I strongly disagree. If people forget that fast then why did Nash get such a big pop at the Rumble? I don't understand why people act like 3/4ths of the WWE audience is under 18 when it is actually less than 1/4th.

 

[klunderbunker]

To all those saying no one knows who Sting is I strongly disagree. If people forget that fast then why did Nash get such a big pop at the Rumble? I don't understand why people act like 3/4ths of the WWE audience is under 18 when it is actually less than 1/4th.

Not to mention how much WWE hypes Sting in their recent DVDs. he was on the cover of the COTC one.

 

[justinsayne]

The only thing I think I would ever want Sting to come to WWE to do is put together a proper 3 disc DVD set. I don't care if he ever sets foot in the WWE ring is featured on any of WWE's programming, I just want the DVD set, with a decent documentary, one he has full control of putting together.