Who will you fly the flag for next?

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I am wondering, once you have all grown tired of getting behind Daniel Bryan (which you will), who in the WWE will you all demand headline Wrestlemania and win the WWE Title?

In the past, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder and C.M. Punk have been "projects" for the fans, with the fans wanting each one to reach the top. But, after a while, the fans have grown tired of each of them, and moved onto someone else.

Admit it, you aren't as "in love" with C.M. Punk as you were two years ago, or Dolph or Zack one year ago. So, when you get bored of Bryan, who is next on the agenda of the fickle fan?
 
I am wondering, once you have all grown tired of getting behind Daniel Bryan (which you will), who in the WWE will you all demand headline Wrestlemania and win the WWE Title?

How many threads will you make about this? I get it you think fans are dumb (same fans who are loyal enough to stick with the WWE) and it's not because they have voiced their opinion and it goes unheard off.

Also Punk is still my favorite Wrestler. I have his merchandise and I'm darn proud of it.
 
My answer is seth rollins.

definitely the iwc move on to seth rollins after daniel bryan have healthy title run. Bcoz once the shield split roman going to be a main eventer and ambrose going to a top heel. Seth has no choice he back to mid card and get jobber job.

For example at royal rumble everybody think DB going to win the rumble. Once they realize that DB is not their so they switchover to Punk. At last they cheer roman reigns. So they immediately change their thoughts. Instead roman if del rio is their then the fans cheer for del rio. The only thing is they like to boo batista bcoz he is reason that DB is not in the rumble match.
 
I'm not absolutely crazy over Bryan, but I do like him. I never cared for Zack Ryder, ever and I still have a warm place in my heart for CM Punk.. Besides, we missed him on raw.

Anyhow, if I get bored with Bryan, I assume I will go for Roman Reigns.
 
I like choosing those who virtually have no shot to succeed, this way when they don't I am not surprised.

My next project is.....Alexander Rusev! If this was the Hogan Era, Booby Heenan would be all over this guy. But since the days of quality managers are gone...Russey is on his own.

Because of his size he will get a midcard title run early in his cup of coffee on the main roster (he should debut in the Spring/Early Summer downtime). But the he's a foreign Wade Barrett...floating in the murk of just being glad his check clears.
 
I'm not one to jump on bandwagons. I wait and watch and see what a Superstar has to offer before I make a decision. I usually don't say a single word, positive or negative, until a guy has at least 6 months on the main roster (Ryback being a VERY rare exception, I could tell from day one he was a flop). CM Punk didn't win me over until 2009. Daniel Bryan is growing on me but I still don't think he's anywhere near as good as so many here do - I'd put him as the third or forth best full-time Superstar on the roster.

To answer the main question, I'd say the closest I'd come to "flying the flag", so to speak, would be Roman Reigns. I've said since the very first day The Shield debuted that Reigns was the breakout star of the group, while everyone else was too busy sucking off Dean Ambrose to notice Reigns. However, I think Reigns is being pushed WAY too hard, WAY too fast. He should neither have broken Kane's elimination record nor made it to the final two in his very first Royal Rumble match, those are things that should have been done two or three years down the road.
 
I am wondering, once you have all grown tired of getting behind Daniel Bryan (which you will), who in the WWE will you all demand headline Wrestlemania and win the WWE Title?

In the past, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder and C.M. Punk have been "projects" for the fans, with the fans wanting each one to reach the top. But, after a while, the fans have grown tired of each of them, and moved onto someone else.

Admit it, you aren't as "in love" with C.M. Punk as you were two years ago, or Dolph or Zack one year ago. So, when you get bored of Bryan, who is next on the agenda of the fickle fan?

We get it, you are a grown man who still suckles at your mama's teet for nourishment and you never will find another who satisfies you in the same way and you will always spend every waking moment of your existence dedicated and loyal to her and we are all the same person, with the same opinions that wax and wane at the drop of Vince's foot.

It's entertainment dummy. Tastes change, people change, the story changes. We all have different ideas and desires. I don't squat about WWE's developmental system and if I knew who on the current roster had more ability to entertain than what they've already shown I already be riding their cock. But right now DB is the flavor of the month and it is enjoyable to have a good guy to root for.
 
Santino Marella. He had better be champion of the universe by NEXT TUESDAY or I'm rioting and never EVER watching hot man on man action EVER again.

Or not.

I just like qatching entertaining television. I don't very much care who the supposed combatants are as long as what I'm watching entertains me. Of course I have favorties, everybody does, but whatever happens them, good or bad, does not really influence my overall enjoyment of the product.
 
If Santino isn't in an EC match with Khali, Hornswoggle, and 3MB, a match the WWE has never promoted, a match the WWE has no reason to book, and a match that would ruin and bury months of work by other stars, then I'm going to cry all over the internet.

I think that Ambrose is the new internet darling, because he was huge in the Indys, and he isn't all that good.
 
Whoever strikes my fancy, whether or not they have indy cred. I like Punk and Bryan, Rollins and Ambrose, as well as Cesaro, and Zayn's been impressive in NXT. I also like less popular "home growns" like Del Rio and Shamus, and I even have the temerity to enjoy Curtis Axel. And most of the time, I like Cena.

I'm not familiar with most of the six "indy darlings" who I've mentioned from their indy days; I just like their ringwork in WWE and respect their ability to adapt to the system. Having a broad background and the ability to work in a variety of environments is advantageous; that's as true today as it was back in the territory days.

The whole nose-snubbing at "internet darlings" is stupid at best and trolling at worst.
 
No, it's why the WWE is going away from bringing in Indys, and that's why the Performance Center was created. Indy wrestlers have terrible ring work and terrible habits that take years to get rid of. Punk is still really bad in the ring.
 
I am wondering, once you have all grown tired of getting behind Daniel Bryan (which you will), who in the WWE will you all demand headline Wrestlemania and win the WWE Title?

In the past, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder and C.M. Punk have been "projects" for the fans, with the fans wanting each one to reach the top. But, after a while, the fans have grown tired of each of them, and moved onto someone else.

Admit it, you aren't as "in love" with C.M. Punk as you were two years ago, or Dolph or Zack one year ago. So, when you get bored of Bryan, who is next on the agenda of the fickle fan?

I guess Bryan haters get their punches in any way they can. The truth is I can't see me getting tired of him in any way. He has reached the level where he is so good at what he does he will have my respect forever. The same way Punk and Ziggler did. Zack Ryder shouldn't even be in the same list.

I know a lot of people thought Roman Reigns should have won the Rumble, but that just makes no sense. He hasn't even competed in a handful of singles matches and you want him to headline Mania? He's also goofy. The shotgun arm has to go. I truly think that when he starts doing his promos solo his stock will drop a little until he gets better.

I wasn't too big on him at first but Dean Ambrose is growing on me and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.
 
Ryder was very popular his internet show really helped him get over and he had fans clamoring for him. I think Ryder was indeed buried it's no coincidence that after Ryder turned over his Internet Show to the WWE that suddenly he was getting depushed and removed from TV altogether. Naturally when you are not featured on TV fans will start to forget about you. I am not saying Ryder was going to be a main eventer but he should at least had a solid mid card run.

That's the difference with Bryan though, even when he's not featured in the segment the fans want him. That's his edge over Ryder.
 
I swear to God, it's like the anti-Bryan crowd went to a conference and the keynote speaker gave you all talking points. You guys ALL say the same garbage. "Oh the IWC used to like Ryder" ... "They used to like Ziggler" ... "Then it was Punk" ... "and now it's Bryan" ... they don't know what they want!

First, to lump Ryder into this argument is just plain ignorant. No one ever suggested Ryder should be a top guy in the company. The IWC simply saw a guy who was connecting with the audience WITHOUT the WWE's help and wanted to see him rewarded with a push to the friggin' mid-card. Seriously, all you guys that jump on this Ryder point are acting as if people wanted him to headline WrestleMania.

But hey, the WWE listened to us and pushed Ryder into the mid-card, right? They gave him the US Title, a victory that got a huge reaction from the live crowd. And then what? They paired Ryder with Eve, used him to advance the Kane/Cena angle, and then let Swagger take his belt in an unannounced squash match on Raw. He literally held the title for four weeks, never once defended it successfully, never once took it to a pay-per view, and then was written off TV all of February. The guy wrestled exactly one singles match between the day he won the title and WrestleMania - where he was used to put over Eve. This, mind you, is the push all you anti-IWC folks talk about when saying that we changed our minds after they listened to us and pushed Ryder. That's some push...

Now, I won't say that Ryder's support hasn't died down since WrestleMania 28. That's what tends to happen when the WWE keeps a mid-card guy off TV - we tend to forget about them. Other guys I've forgotten about over the years include: Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Tito Santana, Rick Martel, and a plethora of other mid-card talent that was once over with the crowd. Of course, you'll probably read that admission as proof that I'm in a fact a mark who doesn't know what he wants - because obviously, if I used to like Ken Shamrock, and he's no longer at the forefront of my mind, then it negates everything!

So then you bring up Ziggler ... which is next in this evolution of "proving" we don't know what we want. I'll be the first to admit that I've never been a big Ziggler fan - you can read old posts of mine to confirm that - but at the same time, I do find him to be an entertaining, athletic guy that brings a certain level of excitement to his matches. Some think he should've been pushed into the main event; I always thought, and still do, he's fine in the mid-card.

...but I won't criticize people and call them stupid for wanting Ziggler in the main event. Furthermore, I wouldn't say they have 'forgotten' about their infatuation with the guy. You'll probably say his support died when he finally won the WHC the night after WrestleMania, but I was in the crowd at Payback a few months later and - next to Punk - Ziggler got the loudest reaction of the night. He also put on the best match. You might try to further your point by saying the IWC is turning against him. I don't see that at all. Actually, what I see is a group of people that want Dolph Ziggler to keep his mouth shut so that the WWE doesn't keep him off TV as punishment.

...Because that's exactly what is going on with Ziggler. He's being under-utilized because he can't stop complaining about his spot on the card. You'll probably say he's being under-utilized because he "can't talk on the mic" or "get heat without a female valet." You'll say this despite there being ZERO evidence to support it. The fact is that I can count on one hand how many times Ziggler has been given a mic and told to use it. Now, I'm sure you'll say that the reason the WWE doesn't give him mic time, the reason they give him a mouth piece, is because they know he can't work a crowd. But keep in mind, that this is the same company that paired Steve Austin with Ted DiBiase because they didn't think he could get himself over.

Moving on to Punk. I was unaware we'd turned on him. Did anyone else get the memo that the IWC and live crowds turned on CM Punk? I'm guessing most didn't since he still gets a huge pop when his music hits, and the crowd more often than not chants his name when he talks.

Perhaps you think we've moved on from him because we like Daniel Bryan. Is that the case? Is being a fan akin to being in love - you can only be a fan of one guy at a time? If so, then I'm a serious polygamist because I've always been a huge fan of multiple guys at a time. I loved Hogan and Savage in the late 80s. Not long after, I added The Ultimate Warrior to my stable of favorites. Did cheering when Savage finally won the title at WrestleMania IV or screaming in excitement when The Ultimate Warrior pinned Hogan at WrestlMania VI make me any less a Hogan fan? Was it supposed to mean that I'd changed my mind on Hogan, that I was just a fickle fan who preferred the flavor of the week over the guy I used to love? No. It just meant that, as much as I like Hogan, it's Savages turn to carry the belt right now.

It's no different with Bryan and Punk. If Bryan wins the title at EC, I'll be ecstatic. That doesn't mean I'm not still a huge Punk fan. If Punk comes back in a couple months and winds up winning the belt again, I'll cheer just as I did at MITB 2011. And in doing so, it won't make me any less a Bryan fan... Just as your cheering for The Rock didn't make you any less a Steve Austin fan.
 
Please name one time where Bryan wasn't involved in WWE TV in the last year?

You realize he's acknowledging the obvious fact that Bryan isn't in every segment, and despite that, his name is chanted even during segments that don't include him, right? He's not at all saying that Bryan has been left off TV for the entirety of shows...

But if you need an example of a segment that Bryan wasn't involved with where the crowd chanted for him... you can just go re-watch either the Royal Rumble match or the WWE Title Match from earlier in the evening.

If Santino isn't in an EC match with Khali, Hornswoggle, and 3MB, a match the WWE has never promoted, a match the WWE has no reason to book, and a match that would ruin and bury months of work by other stars, then I'm going to cry all over the internet.

This idea that we had no right to be upset because Bryan was never officially booked in the Rumble is stupid and ignores the point completely. The fact is that only 20 of the 30 guys in the Rumble were confirmed beforehand. The fact is that the winner of the Royal Rumble is featured in the main event at WrestleMania 30. The fact is that there's no one on this roster as over as Daniel Bryan, no one more deserving of the top spot at WrestleMania - and even if you disagree with that, you can't disagree with the fact that having him actually win the WWE Title to close WrestleMania would be one of the biggest WrestleMania moments in the show's history as 75,000 people did the Yes chant.

So I'm sorry, but we aren't upset that a guy not booked for a match didn't participate in that match. We're upset because the WWE botched one of the most obvious decisions in company history. It added credence to our long-held belief that these guys don't get it, that they have no interest outside their self-serving agendas - isn't it so convenient that 10 years ago, Triple H predicted Batista and Randy Orton would be the top two guys in the company ... and my God, look at them now. They're headlining WrestleMania 30! That Triple H is so smart to have called that so long ago.

And your comment that Bryan being booked to participate in - or win - that match would've buried months of hard work from other stars might win the internet for dumbest comment of the day. Months of hard work from whom? Did El Torito and Kevin Nash work their asses off to get in that match? Was Batista's one day of work prior to the Royal Rumble too much hard work to give up in favor of the guy who has worked the crowd into a frenzy at every live event since early last year? What exactly is your idea of hard work?
 
Please name one time where Bryan wasn't involved in WWE TV in the last year?

I was referring to the Ryder comment not Bryan. Bryan was featured on TV sure but it's questionable if they are using him to best of their ability. I mean the rumble is the perfect example right there, and fans reacted negatively. And these are fans from a non wrestling smark city mind you so it's not an IWC haven.
 
Whoever I like. Is it a crime to have a favourite superstar? Yep, I love Dolph Ziggler. I think he is a talented guy who is almost there with regards to being a top star. Ryder was pretty funny; Punk is god and I'm kind off meh about Bryan.

Ryder had an endearing character, people warmed to him. Punk is an incredibly talented guy; people warmed to him. Bryan is good in the ring and the Yes chants are set to become iconic; people warmed to him.
 
I'm not one to jump on bandwagons. I wait and watch and see what a Superstar has to offer before I make a decision. I usually don't say a single word, positive or negative, until a guy has at least 6 months on the main roster (Ryback being a VERY rare exception, I could tell from day one he was a flop). CM Punk didn't win me over until 2009. Daniel Bryan is growing on me but I still don't think he's anywhere near as good as so many here do - I'd put him as the third or forth best full-time Superstar on the roster.

To answer the main question, I'd say the closest I'd come to "flying the flag", so to speak, would be Roman Reigns. I've said since the very first day The Shield debuted that Reigns was the breakout star of the group, while everyone else was too busy sucking off Dean Ambrose to notice Reigns. However, I think Reigns is being pushed WAY too hard, WAY too fast. He should neither have broken Kane's elimination record nor made it to the final two in his very first Royal Rumble match, those are things that should have been done two or three years down the road.

Not to be offensive in any way...but since I joined I notice you usually have an almost complete opposite opinion than everyone else. That being said, I do agree with you sometimes with this being one of those times I agree with you.

As the OP said, fans today are fickle, thus it is hard for stars to ever get popular and even harder to stay popular once they get to the top. I too think Reigns is being pushed too quickly as well. Hiwever with fans as they are WWE probably prefers dealing with flavour of the year stars than building like they did before. Hopefully fans can be a bit patient with the current group.
 
Yeah, this kind of sounds like you are insinuating that fans just pick a guy at random to cheer for, just for the hell of it. Which isn't the case. A "project" for the fans? I know it's fun to try to pretend that everyone who disagrees with you has a less valid basis for their opinion than you, but assume for a second that people simply have different tastes, and stop trying to find flaws in their reasoning for liking who they like. Posts like this are making this situation far more antagonistic than it needs to be.

People genuinely like Daniel Bryan, which should be blatantly obvious by now. As opposed to some guy who won the genetic lottery and was guaranteed a fast-track to the main event, Daniel Bryan is a hard worker who busted his ass to get where he is, and proved all his critics wrong along the way. We can see the guy butting his head against the glass ceiling week after week, and he's doing it by literally stealing the show from performers who have all the support in the world from management. Overcoming office politics and favoritism through hard work alone? That's something that the average person can identify with and get behind. I'd also say that this generation of wrestling fans (this generation of media consumers, actually) identifies more with guys like Punk and Bryan than with guys like Batista and Cena, but that's a bigger argument for another time.

As for fans turning on CM Punk....who, exactly? Some people on these forums post their dislike for Punk, but can you prove that they are the exact same people who were previously supporting him? I think there's a tendency to cherry pick opinions from individual fans online and suggest that they are representative of the entire 'IWC'. Well I like CM Punk, and I always have. I don't think he's as good a face as a heel, but that's another matter. And it also raises another point. That being that performers entertainment value can fluctuate throughout their career based on what role they are playing, their physical health, and various other factors. Liking a guy at the top of his game, and then getting sick of seeing him when he's broken and worn down, or injured, or playing a different role, or has lost his passion for the business (and I'm not saying any of those things apply to CM Punk), isn't being fickle. Fans can only judge a performer within the present context.

Likewise, growing sick of a performer if they become legitimately over-saturated and stale doesn't somehow make you fickle if you rooted for them when they were fresh and interesting. ALL wrestlers will become stale eventually, especially with the amount of WWE content now on the air. Cena is stale. Orton is stale. Batista is stale. HHH is stale. The very real possibility that this will also be true of Daniel Bryan down the road is no reason to dislike him now. Realistically, it will happen to Reigns, it will happen to Wyatt, and it will happen to Bryan. The WWE simply doesn't provide fresh content as quickly as fans demand it. And yet, there's no reason to believe that either of them can't provide solid, fresh entertainment for at least as long as past performers have.

Finally, in regards to Zack Ryder and Dolph Ziggler, first of all both have been buried so deep that many fans simply gave up supporting them as vocally, as they felt it wasn't worth the effort. That doesn't necessarily mean they no longer like them. Are you going to invest interest in a red-shirt on Star-Trek when you know there isn't a chance in hell that they are making it out of the episode alive? Probably not. Second, neither of those performers is Daniel Bryan. You're failing to consider that there is actually an objective difference in quality between them, simply because you've lumped them all into the same category, when realistically they are in three different tiers of ability. That the WWE hasn't been able to cool Bryan down at all (although to be fair, I don't believe they've actually tried to bury him, just cool him down, as opposed to Ryder and Dolph) without success, says something about that difference in quality.

All that being said, who to support next? Well, why bother supporting anyone? The WWE is a glorified T-shirt company, and it's now blatantly obvious that fan reaction will have little to no impact on creative direction. Cheering for your favorite wrestler is literally more pointless than cheering for your favorite sports team, as at least there's an off-chance that the rampant cheers of fans can inspire a team to greatness. The only thing that will lead to greatness in the WWE is T-shirt sales (EDIT: ...and sucking up to the right people).
 
I think the guy who said he had multiple fav wrestlers had it right. Just because you root for Daniel Bryan against Randy Orton. Does it make you less of an Orton fan? I've been an Orton fan through thick and thin. While I'll admit his Face schitck got old it did serve a purpose and Randy had no problem putting over "said" talent while he was a Top Face. Orton's heel character is far more interesting and I am enjoying his current run as WWE WHC. Orton's won multiple championships and it's good to see him as THE TOP HEEL right now. WWE clearly has a conundrum on their hands because D Bryan is slowly, but surely taking the role of TOP FACE from John Cena who's carried the company flag for 10 years. I think too many people are hard on Cena. The guy works his ass off. While his promos are much better when he's intense and serious some fansk, probably the kids like when he blends some humor in there. IF anything everyone should be cheering for D Bryan to take some of the heavy lifting from Cena as company man. This may allow for Cena to resurrect some of the elements of his DR. of Thuganomics character and re-connect w/his detractors who probably were cheering for him on the way up the ladder. Cena doesn't have to turn heel, but adding some edge to his character would probably help him even more in the merch sales. I believe all WWE fans have their favs and should support his/her group of wrestlers no matter where they are on the card.
 
I've never gotten bored of people like CM Punk, Ziggler or Bryan, been behind them for quite a while and that hasn't changed at all. Seth Rollins is another that comes to mind, been all for him since he was around FCW/Next. Never fell into the liking of Ryder though, I get the appeal... somewhat...

Right now, I expect people will be grasping more and more onto Reigns as time goes on, I remember a few months back him being pretty much the odd man out between Ambrose and Rollins, and now he's got a lot of attention, which I can't deny, the guy has surprised even me, but I've never been the guy to grasp onto someone and back off, don't think all fans are like that neither.
 

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