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Who will be new champion?

I think Jeff Hardy deserves it. Awesome wrestler.


Jeff Hardy is too unreliable to hold the world title, especially now. It did not take long after they brought him back (after he was fired for his behavior) to once again find himself suspended like he was several times before.
The WWE needs someone stable to hold that title, and unfortunately there are very few wrestlers right now that can fit that requirement.
My thought is Orton will win the title and they will build up another wrestler trying to pursue him. If they have abandoned the Kennedy as McMahon's son idea, than I think he would be a valid choice to battle Orton. The question is, where does that leave Jericho for his return? Also, the belt will likely have to land back on Orton again for when Cena returns so he can win it back.
Of course, this being the WWE, they will build up Kennedy during an Orton feud, never give him the belt, and then when Cena comes back, they will bury Kennedy like they do every other time they build up a star and get the fans behind them.
We'll see what happens.
 
Randy Orton seems the only logical choice at this moment, because he has so much momentum going into No Mercy. Not giving him the title would be very surprising. I cant see Jericho returning yet, most probably at Cyber Sunday. Its way too early for HBK to return, he's meant to come back in December.

The only other person I would like to get the title would be Kane. Even though hes in a match already, him moving to RAW and being the top guy would be fresh. He could fued with Orton and they could have a match at WM24 or something. Either way, its gonna be one magical night.
 
this is hopefully the last post i write about jeff hardy, no one knows for sure if he was suspended. it's likely, but i have an issue with the guy writing the story he was suspended. the day before he said that, he said he no showed raw, then later changed it that he was sent home. 3 stories in 2 days from 1 guy. who really knows what to believe. and when he was fired, it was because he didn't want to go into rehab, not because he was pissing management off. and personally i think his matches are great, and he keeps the crowd into them. and he hasn't been doing as many spots in matches lately.
 
Why does everyone say Randy Orton is deserving of the WWE title? Is he THAT good of a wrestler? Should we ignore the criminal charges, the drug use, the possible attempted suicide, and the attitude problems? Orton is a pressure situation away from becoming the next Ted Bundy. Right now I would not trust Orton with the title. Jeff Hardy has maturity issues, and plus it's not like he's ready to be WWE champion anyway. He still has a long way to go before he earns the respect to be the top champion. As for Kennedy, here's another drug user, only he's injury prone. Can you really trust a guy who is fast rising star but misses an average of 3-4 months a year? At least The Undertaker's injuries are few and far between.
 
I think that Orton will go over whoever (probably Jeff Hardy, Kennedy, and whoever else they throw in this match) and will become the New WWE Champ. However, I guarandangtee ya that his reign will end no later than the RR to Triple H, maybe even Survivor Series... then Trips will kill the legitimacy of Kennedy, Kennedyyyyyy at WM... only to fued w/ Cena at next year's SummerSlam (hopefully Cena will come back heel, cuz he's lame as heck as a face)
 
Personally i really hope that RAndy Orton doesn't win the title this sunday. It's not that i don'T like Randy but i think that this new character he got is the most boring of all the characters he had and it doesn'T make him look like a main eventer. Orton hasn't had a star moment since he won the world title a couple of years ago. Back then the guy look like a main eventer, he even acted like a main eventer now, he act like his father and that pretty much boring. So i hope that the WWE use this opportunity that the got to either give a chance to somebody new and deserving of a title run like Jeff Hardy or Mr kennedy or Bring in a returning main eventer like Chris jericho and let him run with the ball for a while. But knowing the WWE, they probably either give the belt to Orton for a month and give the BElt to HHH at survivor series or have HHH win the belt this sunday.
 
I am telling you all. It is going to be a huge battle royal and Orton is going to be dominating until........gong......gong.......gong. Undertaker comes down, throws his ass out like trash and wins the WWE title. Raw needs to be shaken up and this would shake it to the foundation. This sets up an Undertaker/HBK fued, Undertaker/HHH fued, Undertaker/Umaga fued. I mean, that would be cool as hell. The greatest wrestler alive today back on Raw. Outstanding!
 
I am telling you all. It is going to be a huge battle royal and Orton is going to be dominating until........gong......gong.......gong. Undertaker comes down, throws his ass out like trash and wins the WWE title. Raw needs to be shaken up and this would shake it to the foundation. This sets up an Undertaker/HBK fued, Undertaker/HHH fued, Undertaker/Umaga fued. I mean, that would be cool as hell. The greatest wrestler alive today back on Raw. Outstanding!

Greatest wrestler alive today?? Dude, you seriously drank the kool-aid on that one. He can work a good match still but he is nowhere and I mean NOWHERE near holding that name...

Though I agree it'd be nice to see but I smell a big old pot of piss brewing in creative right now leading to pissed off fans the world over...
 
Taker is a legend no doubt...but it's mainly his gimmick and the way he's pushed that gets him over. He has no mic skills whatsoever, hence the gimmick, and he has a very limited arsenal. You always know what to expect out of Taker. Some striking, an old school, possibly a chokeslam, and tombstone for the win.

I'd rather see Morrison become "The Shaman of Vacancy" and win the WWE title since he didn't show at ECW this week like supposed to. I do mean a short short run, but I just think it'd be hilarious if everytime there's a title fiasco they just throw Morrison at it.

I seriously have no idea who they're going to have face Orton or who they'll make champ, this is one of the few times in WWE where it's exciting because it's not 100% predictable.

Alex~Vab
 
Taker is a legend no doubt...but it's mainly his gimmick and the way he's pushed that gets him over. He has no mic skills whatsoever, hence the gimmick, and he has a very limited arsenal. You always know what to expect out of Taker. Some striking, an old school, possibly a chokeslam, and tombstone for the win.

I'd rather see Morrison become "The Shaman of Vacancy" and win the WWE title since he didn't show at ECW this week like supposed to. I do mean a short short run, but I just think it'd be hilarious if everytime there's a title fiasco they just throw Morrison at it.

I seriously have no idea who they're going to have face Orton or who they'll make champ, this is one of the few times in WWE where it's exciting because it's not 100% predictable.

Alex~Vab

I disagree with the Mic Skills, during the Attitude Era, when he had the Ministry and all that he was solid on the mic.
 
Undertaker comes down, throws his ass out like trash and wins the WWE title. Raw needs to be shaken up and this would shake it to the foundation.

LOL... The Raw writing staff? Shake things up? These are the same pansies who were too afraid to let Cena drop the belt for over a year in fear that 11 year olds and women would stop buying his merch. The same pansies who couldn't come up with anything better than Hornswoggle. The same pansies who consistently buried the tag team division for months. The same pansies who use Carlito and Shelton Benjamin as filler, but never *really* push them.

Shake things up? I'll believe it when I see it.

I just want to see Orton win the belt. Christ, I forget what it's even like to see a legitimate heel as top dog on Raw because it's been so damn long. The Orton/Cena program is over and it couldn't have had a more fitting conclusion. Think about it: Orton v. Kennedy. Orton wins the belt. Months from now, Cena will come back and whine about how he never really "lost" the belt (whether Orton is still champ or not). That's inevitable. Right now I'm just going to bask in the wake of his absence.

If those aforementioned pansies really want to shake things up, they'll give the belt to Orton.

(Side note: I would, however, have NO problem with Taker coming back to Raw again.)
 
Greatest wrestler alive today?? Dude, you seriously drank the kool-aid on that one. He can work a good match still but he is nowhere and I mean NOWHERE near holding that name...

Though I agree it'd be nice to see but I smell a big old pot of piss brewing in creative right now leading to pissed off fans the world over...


You tell me who is better than 'Taker. Who on top in the WWE hasn't he defeated? He does alot more than work a good match. If Taker wasn't around SD would be a joke. He is the only reason fans continue to watch that program.
 
Taker is a legend no doubt...but it's mainly his gimmick and the way he's pushed that gets him over. He has no mic skills whatsoever, hence the gimmick, and he has a very limited arsenal. You always know what to expect out of Taker. Some striking, an old school, possibly a chokeslam, and tombstone for the win.


No mic skills? You need a history lesson don't you? If you recall the American Bad Ass version of the Phenom, his mic skills were just as good as anyone else in this business. A hell of alot better than John Cena or Randy Orton. You also missed a few moves when describing Taker, you missed the flying clotheline, the dive over the top, the last ride, Snake eyes into the big boot, the leg drop, and the tons of submission moves he has seemed to implement into his in ring persona. He keeps refreshing his image and that is why he is one of, if not the best alive today!
 
I just want to see Orton win the belt. Christ, I forget what it's even like to see a legitimate heel as top dog on Raw because it's been so damn long. The Orton/Cena program is over and it couldn't have had a more fitting conclusion. Think about it: Orton v. Kennedy. Orton wins the belt. Months from now, Cena will come back and whine about how he never really "lost" the belt (whether Orton is still champ or not). That's inevitable. Right now I'm just going to bask in the wake of his absence.

If those aforementioned pansies really want to shake things up, they'll give the belt to Orton.

(Side note: I would, however, have NO problem with Taker coming back to Raw again.)

Do you really think that giving the belt to Randy Orton will shake things up, i sure don't and the reason i saw that is very simple. Randy ORton is the heel version of John Cena. The guy isn't really been entertaining for a long time. He's in ring skill even improve since he won the world championship a couple of years agoand to make matters worst, his promos are so boring that i was wishing that Cena show up to stop the misery of lisening to the guy. I know that they will probably give the belt to Orton next sunday because it the safe thing to do but i hope that they don't go for the safe tragedy and found another way to go with this because if orton wins this, i'm going to need alot of coffee to stay awake during Raw.
 
I hope Randy Orton is the champion at the end of No Mercy. It has been so long and I just can't express how happy I would be if he was. He's a good heel and hopefully he will be top dog heel on RAW for a long time. He's good on the mic but there is still room for improvement and he has good in ring ability which can still be improved, I would like to see the suplexe's and ddt's he used to do. All in all he is a good entertainer, he has heel heat but there are also people who love him. It's Randy's time to shine and I hate WWE and McMahon and rest of the Creative Team for not giving Randy a shot earlier, even if he can be a jackass sometimes.
 
Randy sucks, ppl give cena heat for not being ''entertaining'' for not knowing how to wrestle, and now the smarks come and say randy is entertaining and knows how to wrestle?? orton probably has less moves then cena, hes much worse on the mic than cena, and hes even worse on cutting a promo, and he cant sell worth shit, the only thing he has going for him is a good gimmick and good heel heat, and yet pretty much every IWC fan likes him, though on what grounds? the guy is pretty much worse than cena in about.... everything, now im not a cena fan, but i just think its ridiculous to see ppl act like randy is so good and cena sucks when hes actually average, if that.... i guess if it was him that was champ for pretty much 2 years ppl would see how terrible he is... from the looks of it ppl dont want a actual good wrestler to be champ, they just want any1 who was feuding with cena to be champ already so we dont have to see the belt next to cena any time soon....
 
I want hardy to win it tomorrow night to shock the fans and have 2 titles. But i think he'll lose it on raw the next night to orton or triple h. Triple H already has a match he wont wrestle two matches, I dont think think he or the WWE wants to risk injuring him again
 
Randy sucks, ppl give cena heat for not being ''entertaining'' for not knowing how to wrestle, and now the smarks come and say randy is entertaining and knows how to wrestle?? orton probably has less moves then cena, hes much worse on the mic than cena, and hes even worse on cutting a promo, and he cant sell worth shit, the only thing he has going for him is a good gimmick and good heel heat, and yet pretty much every IWC fan likes him, though on what grounds? the guy is pretty much worse than cena in about.... everything, now im not a cena fan, but i just think its ridiculous to see ppl act like randy is so good and cena sucks when hes actually average, if that.... i guess if it was him that was champ for pretty much 2 years ppl would see how terrible he is... from the looks of it ppl dont want a actual good wrestler to be champ, they just want any1 who was feuding with cena to be champ already so we dont have to see the belt next to cena any time soon....

Well, in my personal opinion, Orton isn't the best suited to win the title strictly with wrestling capabilities, but you have to look at the situation they're in. The WWE needs balance to maintain its draw at all times. If they have everyone turn heel, it goes to shit (ie NWO) and if they have everyone as a face, they have no tension. With the suspensions, injuries, and firings, they DO have the talent to produce a great show, but having 3 separate rosters kills it. Sure, someone like Kevin Thorn wouldn't be as high on a roster as he is on ECW, but is he really THAT talented? I think Thorn would be a midcard level guy on Smackdown or Raw. The more people on the 3 levels (WWE/WHC, US/IC, Miscellaneous) the more storylines you can have and the more tension. Right now, ECW has a low roster so they can't afford to lose any big guys (Punk or Morrison), Smackdown is lacking in the top card and can't afford to lose Taker or Edge who will revitalize it, and Raw only has HHH, Kennedy, Orton, Umaga, and to a certain extent, Carlito and Hardy. As a general rule, you don't give the WWE title to someone that isn't a top level guy or isn't being pushed towards that, so everyone who thinks it should be someone like Shelton Benjamin or Kane just has their hopes up for no reason...it won't happen. So that leaves us with the Raw guys. Carlito isn't deserving yet as he's between the top and midcard level and isn't receiving a push, Umaga could literally feud with ONLY HHH on the roster and that would be boring for a while (plus they just had Khali as WHC and having two guys that don't speak English on screen would be repetitive and boring). That leaves us with four: Hardy, Kennedy, Orton, HHH. Hardy, albeit a great performer, is the IC champ right now and they assuredly don't trust him enough to double-belt him and make him their #1 in the company after that 30 day suspension. Right now he's in a transitional period. They gave him the IC title because he was their best option and now he's been given the opportunity to prove his value to them, and so far he's done a nice job but they aren't about to catapult him to the top. Triple H is their #1 face, a big draw, and someone who doesn't NEED a push to be eligible for main event status. Since they have no other faces, he'll be the one "gunning for the belt". We're down to Kennedy and Orton. Kennedy is fresh off a suspension, and although he's been in line for various pushes that have all crumbled for various reasons, they won't bank on him just yet - they'll wait to push him around the Royal Rumble and build him up in the process. That leaves Orton - the guy they've been building as the top heel, considering giving the title to time and time again, and being a heel can create some much needed change in the WWE right now. Cena created a year long story of "the face is challenged by an unbeatable foe and superhumanly comes out on top" which is boring to fans after a while. Back in the days of HBK's first reign, they knew when to switch gears and have Sid win it - when the story stared to lose steam. Cena's lost steam months before his injury, so yeah, everyone has patiently waited any change and now they're getting it. With a heel as the top guy, the story now shifts focus from "everyone" rooting for the guy at the top of the hill to continue kicking down everyone who tries to climb, to now "everyone" rooting for the man on the top of the hill to be thrown off.

In one way, it'll be the same thing that we've had recently with Cena, but in opposite terms. Everyone wanted Cena to lose the championship but he'd retain by the skin of his teeth, like a heel would. Now everyone will want Orton to lose the championship but he'll cheat his way into retaining by the skin of his teeth, like a heel would. The only difference is that with a heel champion, you know for a fact that it isn't going to be long-term, so its more exciting than sitting through another face domination. When Cena was the champ, you could tell that he was going to retain because they weren't building the heels up enough to be someone that was legitimately dangerous enough to defeat him, just dangerous enough to get in a cheap shot at the end of Raw every night and lay him out so the camera can zoom up to his face grunting. The only times I've ever actually thought Cena would lose was at Wrestlemania against HBK (another guy so talented and over that he's permanently ingrained at main event status and could win the title at any moment) and when Cena was going to be in the Last Man Standing match since they were finally showing him as the one that had the upper hand.

So yeah, even though I'd much rather see HBK, Undertaker, or Edge as the #1 guy in the WWE, one of them is injured and two are on another show that needs them for stability purposes, so it won't happen. Jericho won't return at No Mercy to win the title, either. With what we have left, it makes perfect sense to give Orton the title, but if we had the full roster, it'd be a completely different story, as his backstage habits would prevent him from being their top man.
 
Well, in my personal opinion, Orton isn't the best suited to win the title strictly with wrestling capabilities, but you have to look at the situation they're in. The WWE needs balance to maintain its draw at all times. If they have everyone turn heel, it goes to shit (ie NWO) and if they have everyone as a face, they have no tension. With the suspensions, injuries, and firings, they DO have the talent to produce a great show, but having 3 separate rosters kills it. Sure, someone like Kevin Thorn wouldn't be as high on a roster as he is on ECW, but is he really THAT talented? I think Thorn would be a midcard level guy on Smackdown or Raw. The more people on the 3 levels (WWE/WHC, US/IC, Miscellaneous) the more storylines you can have and the more tension. Right now, ECW has a low roster so they can't afford to lose any big guys (Punk or Morrison), Smackdown is lacking in the top card and can't afford to lose Taker or Edge who will revitalize it, and Raw only has HHH, Kennedy, Orton, Umaga, and to a certain extent, Carlito and Hardy. As a general rule, you don't give the WWE title to someone that isn't a top level guy or isn't being pushed towards that, so everyone who thinks it should be someone like Shelton Benjamin or Kane just has their hopes up for no reason...it won't happen. So that leaves us with the Raw guys. Carlito isn't deserving yet as he's between the top and midcard level and isn't receiving a push, Umaga could literally feud with ONLY HHH on the roster and that would be boring for a while (plus they just had Khali as WHC and having two guys that don't speak English on screen would be repetitive and boring). That leaves us with four: Hardy, Kennedy, Orton, HHH. Hardy, albeit a great performer, is the IC champ right now and they assuredly don't trust him enough to double-belt him and make him their #1 in the company after that 30 day suspension. Right now he's in a transitional period. They gave him the IC title because he was their best option and now he's been given the opportunity to prove his value to them, and so far he's done a nice job but they aren't about to catapult him to the top. Triple H is their #1 face, a big draw, and someone who doesn't NEED a push to be eligible for main event status. Since they have no other faces, he'll be the one "gunning for the belt". We're down to Kennedy and Orton. Kennedy is fresh off a suspension, and although he's been in line for various pushes that have all crumbled for various reasons, they won't bank on him just yet - they'll wait to push him around the Royal Rumble and build him up in the process. That leaves Orton - the guy they've been building as the top heel, considering giving the title to time and time again, and being a heel can create some much needed change in the WWE right now. Cena created a year long story of "the face is challenged by an unbeatable foe and superhumanly comes out on top" which is boring to fans after a while. Back in the days of HBK's first reign, they knew when to switch gears and have Sid win it - when the story stared to lose steam. Cena's lost steam months before his injury, so yeah, everyone has patiently waited any change and now they're getting it. With a heel as the top guy, the story now shifts focus from "everyone" rooting for the guy at the top of the hill to continue kicking down everyone who tries to climb, to now "everyone" rooting for the man on the top of the hill to be thrown off.

In one way, it'll be the same thing that we've had recently with Cena, but in opposite terms. Everyone wanted Cena to lose the championship but he'd retain by the skin of his teeth, like a heel would. Now everyone will want Orton to lose the championship but he'll cheat his way into retaining by the skin of his teeth, like a heel would. The only difference is that with a heel champion, you know for a fact that it isn't going to be long-term, so its more exciting than sitting through another face domination. When Cena was the champ, you could tell that he was going to retain because they weren't building the heels up enough to be someone that was legitimately dangerous enough to defeat him, just dangerous enough to get in a cheap shot at the end of Raw every night and lay him out so the camera can zoom up to his face grunting. The only times I've ever actually thought Cena would lose was at Wrestlemania against HBK (another guy so talented and over that he's permanently ingrained at main event status and could win the title at any moment) and when Cena was going to be in the Last Man Standing match since they were finally showing him as the one that had the upper hand.

So yeah, even though I'd much rather see HBK, Undertaker, or Edge as the #1 guy in the WWE, one of them is injured and two are on another show that needs them for stability purposes, so it won't happen. Jericho won't return at No Mercy to win the title, either. With what we have left, it makes perfect sense to give Orton the title, but if we had the full roster, it'd be a completely different story, as his backstage habits would prevent him from being their top man.

well said, and rather i like it or not i have to agree that the best and most logical choice RIGHT NOW would be for orton to be champ, since the roster on RAW is so weak and hes the only major heel that they've been building up, so yes it does make sense

and i know it will be only for a few months, so it wont be that bad of a reign, but what i really dont like to hear is how randy orton DESERVES this title, the truth is he deserves to be fired, the guy doesnt respect the buisness or the fans, i just really dont want a guy like that, some punk who thinks hes bigger then the rules to be on top of the WWE right now, but ya, like u said, what else could they do? they need a heel champ, kennedy is too fresh, and the rest are all mid carders... but hey i will enjoy hating him for a few months ;)

but the other problem is, no matter who the next champ is, it wont really feel like hes #1... hes only there cuz cena got hurt, this pisses me off, it will be hard to actually consider the new champ the actual champ of RAW when the former champ was never actually beaten and went through pretty much all of the roster, i just want cena to come back already and get his ass kicked and lose the title in the middle of the ring 1...2...3... then the guy who does that will really be the #1 of WWE... until then anybody else will just be keeping cena's spot warm... thats how i feel anyway =/...
 
Yeah hopefully when Cena comes back, he doesn't just win the Royal Rumble and get the championship at WM24 or something. Have the guy earn the right to challenge for it, not just restart 08 as another Cena year.
 
Yeah hopefully when Cena comes back, he doesn't just win the Royal Rumble and get the championship at WM24 or something. Have the guy earn the right to challenge for it, not just restart 08 as another Cena year.

Ummm, Cena is out fo 6 months to a year, that means he's gonna miss both the rumble and WM24, so it's impossible for Cena to win the rumble and the title at WM24, I do think they'll most likely throw him right in the title picture when he comes back though, but I gotta say that this leaves us all with a much needed break, maybe when he comes back he'll actually be somewhat entertaining
 
Yeah hopefully when Cena comes back, he doesn't just win the Royal Rumble and get the championship at WM24 or something. Have the guy earn the right to challenge for it, not just restart 08 as another Cena year.

Considering he's not going to be until a few months after WM24, I doubt he's going to win the Royal Rumble and get the championship at WM24.

But yeah, obviously he should be right back in the title picture as soon as he comes back. He earned the right to challenge for it by holding it for 13 months and never losing it but being forced to give it up due to injury.
 
In my honest opinion, it will be either Chris Jericho or Randy Orton. I think
Y2J will be the mystery opponent and he will beat orton. Or, Triple H could beat Orton for it. Another possibility is a triple threat match between Orton, Jericho, and HBK. My last opinion is Orton v Underaker.
 
Y2J or HBK comming back would be cool but the guy I would like to see come back and win the wwe title would be RVD.But that is a real long shot
 
You tell me who is better than 'Taker. Who on top in the WWE hasn't he defeated? He does alot more than work a good match. If Taker wasn't around SD would be a joke. He is the only reason fans continue to watch that program.

Who hasn't he beat? Honestly that's the fact he's beat just about everyone but let us not confuse storylines for actual ability here.

There are only 3 people with less talent on the Smackdown roster. Mark Henry, Great Khali, and Batista. And HOW often is 'Taker even ON Smackdown?? Rarely at best. If he was the only reason people watched the numbers would be pitiful to the point it would be cancelled by now. He's got some good mic skills but ring work... not so much. He's like Hogan in the fact you can expect the exact same set of moves the same way and set your watch by them.

And don't take my reality check of his physcial abilities as not liking him. I have been a fan of his since he was a part of the WWF title being held up at Royal Rumble 92. He's always made it entertaining with fueds, and can put together a decent brawler match. But that's just it... he's NOT the greatest wrestler out there, and I hate to burst your bubble but in the words of Kurt Angle (who one could argue IS the greatest and I'd find it hard to argue against) It's true, it's DAMN TRUE.
 

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