Who was the better Diva?

[Hyorinmaru]

With Victoria retiring and my new sig finally being done i figured I'd post a question and that question is: Out of Trish, Lita and Victoria who is the better Diva?

When thinking I want you to factor in everything, Wrestling ability, looks all of it.

Trish Stratus
When people think WWE Diva on of the first women to spring to mind is Trish Stratus. She started out as a Valet for T&A and after a while became the most dominate diva the WWE has ever seen. She is a 7x Woman's Champion 3x WWE Babe of the year and a 1x Hardcore Champion. She was also proclaimed Diva of the decade. She was the most popular Diva for a very long time.

Lita
The most Extreme Diva in the WWE. She started out in ECW and moved on to the WWE where she started out with Essa Rios but quickly got paired with Hardy Boyz forming Team Xtreme. She is a 4x Woman's Champion. Her biggest on again off again feud was with Trish and they traded the woman's title quite a few times.

Victoria
only a 2x Woman's Champion she is known for being the Craziest Diva in the WWE. She started out in 2002 and immediately got put in a Storyline with then Woman's Champion Trish. They feuded for 4 months when Victoria won the title in a Hardcore match at Survivor series. She was a part of the first Woman's Steel Cage Match when she beat Lita. She won her second and last Women's title by outlasting Molly Holly, Lita and Jazz in a fatal-4-way elimination match.


I personally can't choose between these three and I'm not going to. They were great in their own way each making WWE history in their own way. Trish by becoming a 7x Champion and Victoria and Lita by competing in the first ever Womens Steel Cage match. For me picking between these three is like picking betwqeen water or air.

Like my sig says they will be missed

 

[NSL]

I was a big fan of Victoria, but she doesn't hold a candle to these two. Since we're factoring in everything, Lita was always a million times better on the eyes to me. Trish had more title reigns, but Lita's matches always seemed better to me. Trish proved to be more durable, and was better in the direct feud with Lita than Lita was. However, Lita did more outside of the ring than Trish did. Outside of being a wrestler, Trish is best remembered for crying on her knees with Vince in the ring. Lita was the valet for Essa Rios, and the Hardys on their rise to glory. She was also there by Edge's side during his rise to prominence.

Lita FTW...But, it's close...

 

[Yrrab]

Trish for me. She had the perfect look, perfect body, and perfect attitude since Sable. I always had an elementary crush on her... and I prayed every night that she'd pose for playboy. She was also a total bitch during the whole Vince/Linda angle. God... what a turn on.

After she left though... Lita surpassed her. So I'm just comparing the two from the time they were both in the biz together. In the long run, Lita as Edge's **** was an incredible feat for her. She has a great look for those kinda angles anyways, and she was pretty solid on the mic (for a woman).

Really, I'd pick both of those, but I'm going with Trish. Just because I've always followed her moreso than any other diva.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

While I would arguably believe many people will jump on the Trish Stratus band-wagon for re-starting the Women's division and making it stick this time, I'm going to say Lita.

Ultimately, both began as Manager's to select Wrestlers. And while both have had great success as female wrestlers, winning many Women's Championships among them, that's where you have to divide that by looking at who helped more male Superstars rise to the top.

Trish Stratus tried to help carry Test, Albert and Vel Venis. Arguably, she failed. While I still will go on record in saying T&A is a great tag team that never should've been split up, she ultimately didn't have much to work with, either. Val Venis had already had his big hit with the public, and was going through a phase in his career where he was merely working his way through things to the exit. Trish did lead him to an Intercontinental reign, but ultimately it wasn't impressive.

Now, on the flip side.. you have Lita. Whom managed one of the better Tag Team's of our generation, the Hardys. As well as helped carry Edge to a World Heavyweight Championship reign. She also managed Essa Rios, but we won't go there. (albeit, I think he was Light Heavyweight Champion)

At any rate, the clear cut winner her would be Lita. Infact, I'm a huge Edge fan but I'm saying point blank.. if she didn't have the affair with him she did, he likely wouldn't be a fraction of who he is, today.

Also, while Michael (P.S.) Hayes helped lead the Hardys to become known, it was Lita who lead them to become popular and well over with the fans. Kinda, anyways. Team Extreme didn't even become a thing until she joined in. And let's not forget that she even made Matt Hardy interesting, which was a job within a job.

So, when everything is said and done.. Lita would be the clear cut choice. (And the reason I didn't mention Victoria, is because I still don't believe her career is over)

 

[HBK-aholic]

There was Chyna, who arguably is the most dominant 'woman' to ever be in the division, and I enjoy watching her. However, she's not really feminine to the extent that people probably would have believed she was male. When watching Lita, it really was like a female wonder, her Matt and Jeff days were the best, the 3 of them looked so at ease, and she seemed to have no problem with joining in with the guys, and making things look amazing.

While my choice is Lita, all 3 women are amazing, and probably the 3 best the WWE has ever had. I don't like the womens division now, and I think it's down to a serious lack of Trish's and Lita's.

 

[RVDgurl]

All three choices were great additions to the WWE in their day. Trish and Victoria are both beautiful women who can wrestle well. But for me, the choice is very simple: Lita. I loved her in ECW and she continued to win my heart week in and week out during her time in the WWE.

Lita had the total package. She was hot, had charisma and could wrestle her ass off. I remember seeing her in the WWE for the first time. I couldn't tell you a damn thing about what Essa Rios did in his match, but I know that Lita whipped out a kick ass moonsault. It was amazing. Women didn't do those things too often back then.

Not only did Lita hold the Women's championship multiple times, but she was always very involved with the men's storylines as well. Team Xtreme will always be my favorite version of the Hardy's and who could ever forget the Lita/Edge/Matt Hardy angle. She was valuable and not just because she was another pretty face.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Trish argueablely was the most sucessful diva in the WWE in terms of titles, and her legacy. She was the "it" girl for the WWE and she will forever be known as one of the best.

Victoria was a solid diva, but by the end of it she went downhill. Trish & Lita were never used as jobbers at the end of the career(Lita jobbed to Mickie but also wasn't a jobber like victoria). She had a great run, but she isn't in Lita/Trish's leauge.

Now Lita won't be pimped out as much by the WWE like Trish will be but in the end she was the better diva to me. Before her injury she was red hot, and was getting bigger pops then most of the males. She helped bring a whole new flavor to the women's division, and she also as a heel(regardless of the reasons)became one of the most hated, heat getters ever. Although it was mainly due to personal reasons, you can't deny Lita was getting huge amount of heat that Trish never got. In the end Trish will go down as the best, but imo Lita was the best.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

It's easy. Trish Stratus. Not one of the other Divas could get the same kind of heat she got as both a face and a heel. Lita did as a face but not as a heel. People actually hated lita for personal reasons. Which is never a good thing. You are supposed to play a character, one that connects with the fans on an emotional level. Being a dumb bitch in real life doesnt make you the best heel. Whereas Trish could do it all. To me Trish is easily the best Diva.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

It's easy. Trish Stratus. Not one of the other Divas could get the same kind of heat she got as both a face and a heel. Lita did as a face but not as a heel. People actually hated lita for personal reasons. Which is never a good thing. You are supposed to play a character, one that connects with the fans on an emotional level. Being a dumb bitch in real life doesnt make you the best heel. Whereas Trish could do it all. To me Trish is easily the best Diva.

Does it matter why people hated Lita? NO. You know why? Because when Matt Hardy decided to be a whiny little bitch who couldn't keep his mouth shut he unleashed everything Lita had done, and this? It caused people to DESPISE her. I don't care if Lita got heat because of something she did in real life, you're just trying to come up with an excuse to bring down her heel run a little. And like in the past, it's not going to work because you're wrong. Because of her being a "dumb bitch" she revamped Edge's career, helped him become a main eventer, she took part in and helped create a most interesting feud, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Lita got heat. I don't care if she got it because Amy Dumas fucked Adam Copeland in real life. The day that Matt Hardy decided to share it with the rest of the world, this became not only something Amy did, it became an integral part of Lita's character because people could not see the difference, as reflected by how they would boo her in the ring and cuss her out in the parking lot afterwards.

I do agree that Trish was a better heel than Lita, but NOT because of the reason you gave. She was better on the mic, better as a total bitch, and she really used her comedy training to make her character funnier, in a total ****ish way LOL. It is hard to choose between these three divas, they are the three most well known of “The Golden Age,” and they could never have been as great as they became without the help of the women around of them. However, out of the three, Trish excelled- she is pure DIVA, in the WWE sense. Trish shone like one of those massive stars, while others only sparkled like planets, great as they were. And much like those massive stars, when Trish went out, she left with a bang.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Does it matter why people hated Lita?

Yes. There is good heat and bad heat. She, in my opinion had bad heat because of real life circumstances.

NO.

Yes.

You know why?

Maybe, but I'll listen to your explanation first.

Because when Matt Hardy decided to be a whiny little bitch who couldn't keep his mouth shut he unleashed everything Lita had done, and this? It caused people to DESPISE her.

So basically what you're saying. Is that instead of Lita thanking herself for all she accomplished in the last half of her career. She can thank Matt Hardy. I'm glad we cleared this little mess up.

I don't care if Lita got heat because of something she did in real life, you're just trying to come up with an excuse to bring down her heel run a little.

Again though. Im not saying she wasnt a good heel. She was a good heel for all the wrong reasons. Sure people hated her. But they hated her in a JBL sort of way. She was a damn good face though.

And like in the past, it's not going to work because you're wrong.

Are we really going to go there. We know who won this debate before...

Because of her being a "dumb bitch" she revamped Edge's career, helped him become a main eventer, she took part in and helped create a most interesting feud, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Lita got heat.

Edge was on the rise for years. He got the MITB before this whole fiasco went down and was scheduled to win the title either way. Don't play that card because as much as she helped. He didnt need it.

I don't care if she got it because Amy Dumas fucked Adam Copeland in real life.

Dragon. Are YOU breaking kayfabe? Naughty Girl.

The day that Matt Hardy decided to share it with the rest of the world, this became not only something Amy did, it became an integral part of Lita's character because people could not see the difference, as reflected by how they would boo her in the ring and cuss her out in the parking lot afterwards.

Again, obviously she can thank Matt Hardy for outing it. If he hadnt, she might have been a face for the rest of her career. Who knows. But what I do know is that she had him to thank for the success she got in the last portion of her career.

I do agree that Trish was a better heel than Lita, but NOT because of the reason you gave. She was better on the mic, better as a total bitch, and she really used her comedy training to make her character funnier, in a total ****ish way LOL. It is hard to choose between these three divas, they are the three most well known of “The Golden Age,” and they could never have been as great as they became without the help of the women around of them. However, out of the three, Trish excelled- she is pure DIVA, in the WWE sense. Trish shone like one of those massive stars, while others only sparkled like planets, great as they were. And much like those massive stars, when Trish went out, she left with a bang.

Flames Out
Dragon

Ahh finally. We can agree on something. God knows I love you Dragon. Trish was the best Diva of the modern era and there is NO debating that.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

Yes. There is good heat and bad heat. She, in my opinion had bad heat because of real life circumstances.

That would make sense if her heat only lasted the duration of that feud- the crowd continued to hate her till the end of her career because she was able to expand on it, and she let her character grow into something else because of it. Edge did the same thing, and people call him a good heel. I don't see why that can't apply to Lita.

So basically what you're saying. Is that instead of Lita thanking herself for all she accomplished in the last half of her career. She can thank Matt Hardy. I'm glad we cleared this little mess up.

Well Matt Hardy would have nothing to whine about if she had never done anything in the first place, so yeah, it really all goes back to Lita. She's the backbone in all this. Get with the picture Monkey!

Again though. Im not saying she wasnt a good heel. She was a good heel for all the wrong reasons. Sure people hated her. But they hated her in a JBL sort of way. She was a damn good face though.

You're right, Lita was booed for the wrong reasons, that is, people really shouldn't have started booing her in the first place, they shouldn't have judged her personal life, but it happened, and it helped create a very good heel character for Lita.

Are we really going to go there. We know who won this debate before...

Yes.

Me.

Edge was on the rise for years. He got the MITB before this whole fiasco went down and was scheduled to win the title either way. Don't play that card because as much as she helped. He didnt need it.

Lita did a lot more than just stand around and look ****ty while she was with Edge, she was an important part of his whole "Rated R Superstar" character, one of the reasons why he's so successful today. So how did he not need her? Of course, this is another topic to discuss.

Dragon. Are YOU breaking kayfabe? Naughty Girl.

You know how I rollllllllll.

Again, obviously she can thank Matt Hardy for outing it. If he hadnt, she might have been a face for the rest of her career. Who knows. But what I do know is that she had him to thank for the success she got in the last portion of her career.

I think you got that wrong. Matt can thank Lita, she gave him all the love and adoration he needed from the fans. He ruined what was left of her career, because in all honesty, as much as I liked her as a heel, she could've been so much more if it all hadn't happened.

Ahh finally. We can agree on something. God knows I love you Dragon. Trish was the best Diva of the modern era and there is NO debating that.

I changed my mind. Best diva of the modern era was definitely Jacqueline. I mean- COME ON!

Just kidding. Still hate you.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[Tastycles]

I feel bad that I haven't voted for Victoria, because she has no votes and has easily been the best diva for the past couple of years, but when the other two were there, she wasn't better than them, so I can't.

As for the other two, I'm torn. Lita was always great to watch in the ring, and Team Xtreme were a really solid unit. If you watch TLC II the crowd care about twice as much about her entry as they do of Spike's and Rhyno's put together, which is no mean feat. Well it is, but she was superb. Then it all went sour, the Kane angle was dull and her personal issues blighted the rest of her career. It is unfair to say she failed as a heel because the crowd would have never let her try with a clean slate, the spectre of Matt would have hung over her forever.

Trish started out in the eye candy category, being the manager to someone with a porn star gimmick and to a team called T & A. However, she somehow managed to turn into a competent in ring performer that was hugely over with the crowd. As hugely over as divas can get, anyway. However, for me she just was never really as interesting or, dare I say it, attractive to me as Lita, so for that reason, I'm voting Lita.

 

[OIL]

This is probably one of the hardest choices I've had to make. But in the end, I went for Trish. I'll admit, Lita really did bring something new to the women's division, and made people believe that Divas could do just as much as the men could. But at the end of the day, I found Trish's matches more entertaining. She knew ring psychology better, and could really tell a story with a match. (Not saying Lita or Victoria couldn't). She started out from eye candy, to an accomplished wrestler. She wasn't amazing, but one of the best for sure.

 

[Bernkastel]

ROFL that Victoria was even mentioned on the list. While she wasn't awful, she was a far cry from the levels of someone like Trish, Lita, or Sable.

While comparing Lita to Trish isn't exactly easy, it's much simpler than comparing Hulk Hogan to Stone Cold. Both women were influential to the division, both women were entertaining, and both could play their roles very well, and were both great on the mic and gave flawless promos. However, what ultimately separates these two was the quality of their matches. Trish Stratus was leaps and bounds better than Lita was when it came to in ring performances. Lita wasn't terrible in the ring, but Trish was excellent. Trish could make any opponent look good, from diva search rookies to seasoned veterans. Trish was a phenomenal performer (and for every Jackie Gayda example that someones tries to counter with, I can pick 3 other examples where Lita completely stunk up a match.) Lita was really only as good as her opponent, she was decent in her own right and could really shine when wrestling an opponent similar or better in the ring than she was but if she was matched with an opponent that really wasn't all that great, then her performance level suffered.

My pick is Trish Stratus, naturally the best performer the women division ever had.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

Well, right off the bat I crossed off Victoria. She may have been the best wrestler out of the 3 but she was no where near as influential as Trish and Lita were to the Divas of WWE.

Deciding between Trish and Lita is really difficult.

Trish has pretty much been the Hulk Hogan of the women's division, the good role model I guess. I think Trish will always be admired for her determination and hard work. She started out as eye candy but ended up becoming the best female performer in WWE. She may not have been the best wrestler, but when considering the whole package, Trish was better than any other diva in her time. Her time with the WWE was nothing short of a storybook ending.

Lita on the other hand, in my opinion at least, paved the way for WWE Divas to be taken as seriously as their male counterparts. Her time with the Hardy Boyz and early ring work really changed the way fans viewed women in the WWE.

The problem with Lita is that after her neck injury and then her subsequent leg injury, her ring work wasn't as good as it was early in her career (understandably). I agree with Echelon's points about Lita's wrestling skills. She can work a great match when she has an opponent on her level. That's not to say that she can't get a good match out of those less skilled. I personally enjoyed her match with Chyna.

Following the whole love triangle, Lita was just so hated and badly booked. I really disliked the way Lita was treated in her last year in WWE, especially in her final match. She deserved the same "storybook" ending that Trish got but instead she got humiliated by Cryme Tyme. Although her heel turn probably drew the most heat ever by a female (well, besides Vickie and Stephanie early on), in my opinion, it ruined her legacy.

I voted Trish for consistency, though I believe that if Lita hadn't faced those injuries or let her personal problems barge into her career, I would choose her over Trish.