Who should end Flairs career?

[blackhart07]

Originally Posted by blackhart07
You have to be kidding me right? How is Hogan the greatest worker ever? I will be the first to admit he was the biggest draw ever. But you gotta be kidding me when you say he is a great worker. He is no where up to par with guys like Benoit, Angle, Y2J, both Harts, HBK, Guerrero, Undertaker. You really think Hogan could pull somewhat of a decent match out of Flair?

You can't win this argument. There are too many guys over the age of 20 on these boards that are going to tear Hogan bashers to shreds. The guy wasn't a great technical wrestler, but the last time I checked, Techincal wrestling doesn't mean great worker. Hogan was an excellent worker at what he did and what he was asked to do, in fact, the best ever.

Hogan has delivered in almost every match he has been asked to wrestle in since his 2002 return. He got good matches with Triple H, Rock, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, HBK, and an average match with Orton.

Im 19 and grew up watching Hogan. Look at the people you just mentioned. All good workers. Dont you mean they got a good match out of Hogan. Cmon do you really think that Hogan at this age is a great worker. And why would the WWE give this spot to him. He has bashed the hell out of him the past 2 years. Now this huge angle is finally coming to an end and Hogan is the first one to jump all over it. We all know Hogan has the biggest ego in wrestling.

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Why does Hogan need to smear his feces over anything huge in the wrestling business? It always has to be about him, even when speaking of one of the greatest of all time retiring.

Exactly Hogan hasnt wrestled in the WWE in 3 years. Now he wants to come in and end Flairs career thats BS. Flair dosnt even like Hogan judging by his book. He sings the praises of HBK. And HBK desrves to be it.

I think he was talking about Hogan. Hogan vs. HBK was a good match and was worthy of a Summerslam main event. The Randy Orton match was average, but that was due mostly to Orton in one of his, I don't give a shit modes.

Ya the Hogan HBK was one of Hogans best matches not Shawns. And look who he was working with HBK. One of the top 5 greatest in ring performers ever. He seems to be getting better with age. Again HBK carried the match

 

[figure4]

Hogan vs. Flair would be cool. Just because the majority of the IWC hates Hogan doesn't mean that the fans wouldn't go wild for that match. For whatever Hogan lacks in actual technical ability, Hogan IS the greatest worker in history, just as Slyfox said. In terms of getting the crowd into every minute of the match, there's nobody like Hogan, even at the age he is at now.

But, I truly can't see that happening. I don't think Flair would go for that. With Flair being inducted into the Hall of Fame and stuff, this is suppose to be his big send off. Not Hogans. Hogan's appearance will take the shine away from Flair, which is unfair, since Hogan hasn't wrestled in WWE since 2006.

My candidates to end Flair's career are;

HBK-Mr. WrestleMania will bring the best out of Flair

Batista-he's still a big star so they have to get him on the card somehow, plus he and Flair have history

Sting- yea, wishful thinking, but Sting is arguably Flair's greatest rival and think about how much that would draw.

Or, they should just let Flair win and send him off at SummerSlam or something like that. He's the greatest of all time and I'm really not ready to see him go, even though he is painful to watch in the ring nowadays.

 

[tarp]

IF Hogan is the one then I will never watch wrestling again. Hogan bashes WWE then wants to be the one to end Flair's career. This shows how sorry the man is. I guess he thinks then he can claim to be the best ever but other than one announcer( his name has slipped my mind it's the one who inducted him to the HOF) who has ever said so. It is known that WM will be Flairs last match and only four people deserve the honor of wrestling Flair in his last match and two of them can't. The first Arn Anderson, Ricky Steamboat, HBK, or HHH. Ask three of these whos the greates ever and they all say Flair and deep down I'm sure Ricky would say so also. Also as has been stated this has to be the last match so Flair truly has his send off. I just hope he comes to RAW the next night for a goodbye.

 

[Slyfox696]

Im 19 and grew up watching Hogan. Look at the people you just mentioned. All good workers. Dont you mean they got a good match out of Hogan.

No. Hogan got a good match out of them. Or, in the case of HBK, they worked together to put on a good match.

Cmon do you really think that Hogan at this age is a great worker.

Yes. Why? Because he knows how to make fans care.

Now this huge angle is finally coming to an end and Hogan is the first one to jump all over it. We all know Hogan has the biggest ego in wrestling.

Hogan has the biggest ego in wrestling? How do you figure? How can you possibly say that the man who has accomplished more in wrestling than anyone ever has the biggest ego? You have nothing to compare it to, as there is no one who is on his level to compare.

Exactly Hogan hasnt wrestled in the WWE in 3 years.

Summerslam 2006 was 3 years ago? Wow.

And HBK desrves to be it.

How? How does HBK deserve it? What has HBK ever done to deserve it? Is he an upcoming wrestler? Has he ever had a feud with Flair? Has he ever been a major draw? Is he the biggest draw now?

In what way does HBK deserve it?

Ya the Hogan HBK was one of Hogans best matches not Shawns.

Please. Have you even watched Hogan before?

Again HBK carried the match

No, he didn't. Not even close. There's another thread about that though, so find it.

IF Hogan is the one then I will never watch wrestling again.

I doubt the WWE will miss your business.

Hogan bashes WWE then wants to be the one to end Flair's career.

What does one have to do with the other?

I guess he thinks then he can claim to be the best ever but other than one announcer( his name has slipped my mind it's the one who inducted him to the HOF) who has ever said so.

EVERYONE has said Hogan was the greatest. Including Flair.

It is known that WM will be Flairs last match and only four people deserve the honor of wrestling Flair in his last match and two of them can't. The first Arn Anderson, Ricky Steamboat, HBK, or HHH. Ask three of these whos the greates ever and they all say Flair and deep down I'm sure Ricky would say so also.

Wait..did you really just say that three of Flair's closest friends would say he's the best? Wow, what a profound claim.

 

[relik]

The idea and for draw power for Hogan vs. Flair sounds great on paper, and yes the fans will cheer but I don't think it'll be good once it starts. They both are slow and way past their prime, and who knows how Hogan's body will be since a week before his match with Orton he hurt his good knee by getting off of his couch, so that's an X factor that I think WWE can't ignore. Besides what would be the point of this match? Have it be a retirement vs. retirement match? If they go that route it makes no sense at all since Hogan only wrestle's once every year or so. Will they have Hogan come out and say that since the younger stars can't retire you, then I will and try having him be heel when that won't work anymore because the anticipation of Hogan alone is enough to make most anyone outside the IWC cheer like a 10 year old girl at a Backstreet Boys concert at the mere sight of Hogan.

That's why I think HBK should be the one to do it. Think of it, he just introduced Flair as a HoF inductee and they friends in real life. Since Vince's character doesn't like Flair, what would be better than making his last possible match be one that would be this personal? Vince can order the match be Flair vs. HBK, and HBK doesn't want to do it because they're friends, but then Vince stipulates that if HBK doesn't wrestle then he's fired. I think that'd be a great storyline that could be built up to Wrestlemania.

 

[michaelj817]

That's why I think HBK should be the one to do it. Think of it, he just introduced Flair as a HoF inductee and they friends in real life. Since Vince's character doesn't like Flair, what would be better than making his last possible match be one that would be this personal? Vince can order the match be Flair vs. HBK, and HBK doesn't want to do it because they're friends, but then Vince stipulates that if HBK doesn't wrestle then he's fired. I think that'd be a great storyline that could be built up to Wrestlemania.

Regardless of whether or not Hogan v. Flair would be a great draw or not, it truly looks like this is the way they are going, and HBK will be the one.

One of my major issues with WWE storylines is that aside from the build to WM itself, it doesn't seem like there is much thought put into long term storylines. Vince makes his big money on Mania every year for the simple fact that it is Wrestlemania. People are going to buy tix and the ppv itself, so a good card is just a bonus. However, if WWE put in half the effort that goes into the build towards WM to the rest of the years storylines, they wouldn't be in the position of just filling spots on the WM card.

Aside from the top two Main Event title matches, that is exactly what they are doing. Example...Flair needs retired so who do we have that isn't in a match already? Batista? Shawn? Kennedy? Ok so let's play rock, paper, scissors, and whoever is left over, throw in the $ in the bank ladder match. While it can be entertaining, MITB is quickly becoming my least favorite storyline aspect of WM, for the simple fact that anybody with who is either mid-top level talent, or has some experience in ladder matches without a match on the card gets thrown in just for the sake of having a ladder match. And even though ladder matches aren't the most cutting edge gimmick matches anymore, MITB detracts from the specialness of one b/c when used sparingly, with the right guys, and within the confines of a story in which they makes sense, they are still a hell of a promotional tool.

Will it be Hogan to retire Flair? I doubt it, but it could make for one hell of a build. In all honesty that match could have been done better last year with the last Rocky film coming out, and the storyline could have mirrored it. It also should have happened at Wrestlemania 8, but due to a stip in Sid's contract, he faced Hogan that year. However, if they are going go with Hogan, it should have started a while ago with Hogan at least being featured in some role on WWE TV. To have Hulk Hogan show up out of nowhere now so close to WM just isn't cutting it for me. Or who knows, maybe the surprise factor of coming out of nowhere would make the build that much greater. But regardless of who Flair's opponent at WM is, I wouldn't be surprised if Flair wins just to throw in a surprise as opposed to the oh so predictable loss.

 

[blackhart07]

Ya the Hogan HBK was one of Hogans best matches not Shawns.



Please. Have you even watched Hogan before?

Ya name 5 better matches that Hogan has had other than that one. And dont use the WM 6 one because thats BS. Im talking matches where he clearly carried the match and the match was 4 star quality.

Originally Posted by blackhart07
Im 19 and grew up watching Hogan. Look at the people you just mentioned. All good workers. Dont you mean they got a good match out of Hogan.

No. Hogan got a good match out of them. Or, in the case of HBK, they worked together to put on a good match.

Do you really think Hogan brought out the best in Kurt Angle? If so please give me a valid anwser. Not he got alot of people to cheer and watch. Im talking a a good quality match. Its more like the other way around. Hogan has never been a good worker. Just because you can put people in the seats dosnt mean can work. If you think that then guys like Ande the Giant and The Great Khali are good workers.

 

[Slyfox696]

Ya name 5 better matches that Hogan has had other than that one. And dont use the WM 6 one because thats BS. Im talking matches where he clearly carried the match and the match was 4 star quality.

Wrestlemania 1, 5, 6, 7, 18

Hell, I just named you five Wrestlemania matches that were better than HBK/Hogan. It's a good match. Just not one of Hogan's best.

Keep in mind also, that Hogan worked in a much different time than HBK. Whereas HBK was working every Monday night and every month on PPV, Hogan's prime was working the occasional big show and loads of house shows. So, your argument is not only wrong, it's invalid as well.

Do you really think Hogan brought out the best in Kurt Angle? If so please give me a valid anwser. Not he got alot of people to cheer and watch. Im talking a a good quality match. Its more like the other way around.

Why do people not understand that getting people to cheer and watch is PRECISELY what makes a good match? Not some artificial number of fake moves done at varying speeds.


Which is precisely why a Hogan/Flair match could be so good.

 

[Total Impact]

I think the WWE should let flair go on his on or just fire the guy. I think this whole retirement angle has just made guys like MVP and Kennedy look bad only for a guy like HBK to end his career. What will HBK benefit from ending Ric's career. Plus retirement angles in wrestling never works as Kevin Nash has always said, there is no retiring in wrestling. I mean what, Ric loses at Mania only to be back for SummerSlam. The angle is stupid and I think the WWE should of just never even went with the plan nad had Ric do as Piper said and that is start in wrestling as a nobody and leave as a nobody. Ric should just take a agent job without all the fanfare. People say Ric still has it, his matches are just a bunch of chops and bumps. Ric should just leave instead of holding guys back.

 

[BIG EVIL83]

even though flair and hogan are the two biggest names ever in wrestling i don,t think they could pull it off at wrestlemania. i mean it would be great to see them back in the ring against each other again. But i honestly believe the only reason hogan wants this match is so he can put another feather in his cap and be able to say that he beat the man and retired him. In my opinion hogan is just being selfish and trying to take advantage of the situation. Ric Flair is the greatest of ALL time and should be able to retire as world champion one more time

 

[Davi323]

If Kennedy or MVP's career never amounts to anything, you cannot pin it on losing to Ric Flair. Something else major would have to go down than one job to Naitch. Ultimately, their losing to Flair on RAW and Smackdown won't even be remembered. If they go on to better things, and indeed, I think Kennedy has at least one World Championship in his future, if not multiple, the matches against Flair won't matter, and if they never do anything, it will be because of a whole lot more than jobbing to Flair.

I have already posted on my thoughts about Hogan v. Flair, but, I think HBK v. Flair also has strong merit. HBK has nothing to gain. However, where is it written that a wrestler has to gain something? Why can't HBK retire Flair, simply because he and Flair are close friends in real life, and wants to be a part of Flair's historical career? Should HBK get the honors, and it is an honor, after the match, he is already in the ring to celebrate Flair's career. Lets be honest, as soon as the match is over, and Flair is retired, HBK, HHH, Batista, and all of Flair's friends will storm the ring to honor him. Its why I think the match should be the main event, the last match on the card. Flair's career is more important than the WWE or World Heavyweight title matches, in terms of meaning to the business. Ric Flair deserves the spotlight one last time before he goes. That means, he closes Wrestlemania. Cena, HHH, Orton, Taker, Edge...they will all get more chances at Wrestlemania glory...this is Flair's last chance to soak up the adoration of the fans. I have a feeling that the cheers and applause for Flair will take a good twenty minutes, so it needs to be last.

 

[mfer]

it wont happen , but , i would love for the wwe to somehow pull it off, sting.
flair is was and always will be an nwa/wcw guy and how cool would it be to see his greatest opponent debut at wrestlemania and retire him. i honestly dont want to see flair go but i cant think of a better way to do it.

 

[nyr1135]

it wont happen , but , i would love for the wwe to somehow pull it off, sting.
flair is was and always will be an nwa/wcw guy and how cool would it be to see his greatest opponent debut at wrestlemania and retire him. i honestly dont want to see flair go but i cant think of a better way to do it.

i completely agree with you. ric flairs greatest opponent in his career was sting. just like they had the last match ever on nitro it would only be fitting for sting to come in and end flairs career. sadly this wont happen becuase i heard sting is going to be returning to tna in the near future. since he is out of the picture my next in line would have been hhh. but since he is a main event hungry person he is out as well. the next obvious choice is hbk which is what we will most likely see. they are good friends and shawn is one of the elder statesmen in the wwe right now. shawn will retire flair and then if wm 25 is in san antonio hhh will retire shawn there next year.

 

[HBK-aholic]

shawn will retire flair and then if wm 25 is in san antonio hhh will retire shawn there next year.

What makes you say this? I don't think Shawn will retire in just over a year. I think he still has a lot more in him, and he'll only retire when he really has to. For some reason I can't see it being just a year.

Both his knees and backs are causing him pain, but at the same time, what he cares about is his ring work, which is still as good as ever.

Back on topic; I hadn't thought of Sting up until now, but it wuould be a good option, and better than Hogan. They had the last match on WCW as well, so why not be the one to end Flair's career? They both work so well together and I think few people would object to this.

However, with Sting going to TNA apparently, he won't do this. TNA won't allow it, and WWE won't want it to see as if a TNA star put out one the best in the business, because that shows something about the TNA stars compared to WWE.

 

[Exodus8184]

if flair was to retire, then i think the best match for flair shouldve been the match between him and cactus jack a while ago. other then that, its kinda late, march around the corner and they can't put together an good story line for it, but hogan, naw, rather see someone like terry funk instead.

 

[mike2307]

No. Hogan got a good match out of them. Or, in the case of HBK, they worked together to put on a good match.


EVERYONE has said Hogan was the greatest. Including Flair.

Wait..did you really just say that three of Flair's closest friends would say he's the best? Wow, what a profound claim.

Wow, you're obviously so biased of hulk Hogan it's ridiculous. Hulk Hogan is not one of the best wrestlers of all time, not even close. One of the best performers of all time yes, but best wrestlers? get out of here...ask brett hart if hogan's one of the best ever, hell ask shawn michaels, he'll tell you no as well. Ask Vince Russo if hogans an ego maniac as well, hogans unwillingness to put anybody over is what caused russo to go off at Bash of the Beach, and don't give me any of that he didnt do it cause it wasnt good for business line, cause that's bullshit. Hogan isn't even the biggest money maker in WWE history, Steve Austin is as stated by Vince Mcmahon. I don't have a problem with hogan, he did more for this business than any one else, he put it on the map, he made it a phenomenon, and sold more action figures then mickey mouse. But hogan is not the greatest wrestler/worker of all time and I highly doubt Flair ever said it, he may have said hogan was the biggest or best thing to hit wrestling, but definitely not the best wrestler. I would have not minded a Hogan/Flair match for all the marbles, but I would have liked more then 5 weeks build up for it, so... I think you should give the honors to a young guy...

 

[tap-out]

ME! Honestly i don't really care, i mean this guy has seriously had one awesome career but by god he is terrible now and just needs to go. But i would have someone from yesteryear to end his career. That is when he was FLAIR, THE NATURE BOY. It would only be fitting to have one of the great feuds of past. If Flair has one more in him so does Hogan.....what the heck it would be nice to see these two in the ring one last time.

 

[michaelj817]

Wow, you're obviously so biased of hulk Hogan it's ridiculous. Hulk Hogan is not one of the best wrestlers of all time, not even close. One of the best performers of all time yes, but best wrestlers? get out of here...ask brett hart if hogan's one of the best ever, hell ask shawn michaels, he'll tell you no as well. Ask Vince Russo if hogans an ego maniac as well, hogans unwillingness to put anybody over is what caused russo to go off at Bash of the Beach, and don't give me any of that he didnt do it cause it wasnt good for business line, cause that's bullshit. Hogan isn't even the biggest money maker in WWE history, Steve Austin is as stated by Vince Mcmahon. I don't have a problem with hogan, he did more for this business than any one else, he put it on the map, he made it a phenomenon, and sold more action figures then mickey mouse. But hogan is not the greatest wrestler/worker of all time and I highly doubt Flair ever said it, he may have said hogan was the biggest or best thing to hit wrestling, but definitely not the best wrestler. I would have not minded a Hogan/Flair match for all the marbles, but I would have liked more then 5 weeks build up for it, so... I think you should give the honors to a young guy...

I think you are completely missing Slyfox696's point. Hulk Hogan is by no means the greatest "technical" wrestler of all time, but I believe that the two of you have vastly different interpretations of what "greatest wrestler of all time means". In an industry that is completely fake with no competition whatsoever, the greatest performer is the greatest wrestler of all time. While Austin may be the highest drawing superstar in WWE history, in his almost 20 years as a headline main eventer, Hulk Hogan made more money than anyone in wrestling. It all depends on what aspect of business you want to look at it from, so while wrestling is fake, the best worker is the guy who walks away with the most cash. This doesn't take anything away from guys like Flair, Hart, Michaels, or Benoit, but there are and have been a lot great "technical" wrestlers who couldn't and cannot draw a dime. I am in no way insinuating that those men didn't draw, but when it comes to money made, Hulk is the undisputed king.

 

[Slyfox696]

Wow, you're obviously so biased of hulk Hogan it's ridiculous. Hulk Hogan is not one of the best wrestlers of all time, not even close.

Yes, he is.

One of the best performers of all time yes, but best wrestlers?

The fact he was the best performer, makes him the best wrestler. That's what wrestling is all about.

get out of here...ask brett hart if hogan's one of the best ever, hell ask shawn michaels, he'll tell you no as well.

Bret Hart already called Hogan the best.

Ask Vince Russo if hogans an ego maniac as well

What does ego have to do with ability?

hogans unwillingness to put anybody over is what caused russo to go off at Bash of the Beach

That was a work. It was planned like that.

and don't give me any of that he didnt do it cause it wasnt good for business line, cause that's bullshit. Hogan isn't even the biggest money maker in WWE history, Steve Austin is as stated by Vince Mcmahon.

Austin did it for 4 years and got stale. Hogan did it for over 20 years, both as the biggest face and biggest heel.

I like Austin a lot, but he's clearly number 2 to Hulk Hogan.

I don't have a problem with hogan, he did more for this business than any one else, he put it on the map, he made it a phenomenon, and sold more action figures then mickey mouse.

Precisely.

But hogan is not the greatest wrestler/worker of all time

Yes, he is.

and I highly doubt Flair ever said it, he may have said hogan was the biggest or best thing to hit wrestling, but definitely not the best wrestler.

Flair said that Hogan was the best. He said it was hard for him to admit, but he is the best.

I would have not minded a Hogan/Flair match for all the marbles, but I would have liked more then 5 weeks build up for it, so... I think you should give the honors to a young guy...

It's a moot point now and it's HBK vs. Flair.

Which, out of all the possibilities out there, is probably the one match that makes the LEAST amount of sense. Why would you have an over the hill worker, with bad knees and a bad back, who doesn't want to be the face of the company, get the rub that comes from ending the legendary Ric Flair's career.

It's silly, in my opinion.

I think you are completely missing Slyfox696's point. Hulk Hogan is by no means the greatest "technical" wrestler of all time, but I believe that the two of you have vastly different interpretations of what "greatest wrestler of all time means". In an industry that is completely fake with no competition whatsoever, the greatest performer is the greatest wrestler of all time. While Austin may be the highest drawing superstar in WWE history, in his almost 20 years as a headline main eventer, Hulk Hogan made more money than anyone in wrestling. It all depends on what aspect of business you want to look at it from, so while wrestling is fake, the best worker is the guy who walks away with the most cash. This doesn't take anything away from guys like Flair, Hart, Michaels, or Benoit, but there are and have been a lot great "technical" wrestlers who couldn't and cannot draw a dime. I am in no way insinuating that those men didn't draw, but when it comes to money made, Hulk is the undisputed king.

Except for Austin being the biggest draw, everything else is 100% correct.

 

[i76hitman]

Instead of putting 20 million dollars into Mayweather, I think their money would've been better spent if they threw away that much, putting it into signing Sting to a 1 or 2 year contract so Flair could have one more Flair vs. Sting moment, and we could have Sting Vs. HBK, and Sting Vs. Undertaker one time down the line. Something to have the dream matches we all wanted to watch before Sting really does hang up the boots for good.

 

[Canadian Knight]

Here is a novel idea, no one! I think he should be the one to retire even if i don't like him. Although I do not like him i do respect his long career. A person to go that long should decide when she should retire. However I would not put it past HBK to have HBK do it since this would be another notch in his career.

 

[blackhart07]

Originally Posted by mike2307
Wow, you're obviously so biased of hulk Hogan it's ridiculous. Hulk Hogan is not one of the best wrestlers of all time, not even close.

Yes, he is.

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But hogan is not the greatest wrestler/worker of all time

Yes, he is.

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Thats your view on wrestling it isnt right or wrong people are gonnea agree and disagree with you. Some people like different styles. Just because you can have the crowd cheer dosnt mean your a good worker the ultimate warrior got people to cheer him and his matches went on for a good 2 minutes. Same with Khali he can draw a house, make people cheer at him. Yet he can barely move around the ring. That makes him a good wreslter?I guess you can say Floyd Mayweather, Eric Bischoff, Batista, Stephanie Mcmahon, and David Arquette are good workers. All of them drew money and got people to cheer at them.

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I would have not minded a Hogan/Flair match for all the marbles, but I would have liked more then 5 weeks build up for it, so... I think you should give the honors to a young guy...

It's a moot point now and it's HBK vs. Flair.

Which, out of all the possibilities out there, is probably the one match that makes the LEAST amount of sense. Why would you have an over the hill worker, with bad knees and a bad back, who doesn't want to be the face of the company, get the rub that comes from ending the legendary Ric Flair's career.

It's silly, in my opinion.

The say exact thing could be said for Hogan whats the difference between Shawn and Hogan? You dont think Hogan is over the hill. If there is one thing to be said about Shawn is he turns it up at WM. Hogan hasnt been in the WWE in how many years? Look at how much Shawn has done for the WWE from 1993 up to now. I cant stand the guy and he carried the company and was one reason why it is still running. Flair sings Shawns praises in his book, and dosnt do the same for Hogan.

 

[mike2307]

It's a moot point now and it's HBK vs. Flair.

Which, out of all the possibilities out there, is probably the one match that makes the LEAST amount of sense. Why would you have an over the hill worker, with bad knees and a bad back, who doesn't want to be the face of the company, get the rub that comes from ending the legendary Ric Flair's career.

Yea, and hogan's constant bashing of the company, and the fact that he only appears occasionally makes him a much better candidate then shawn michaels...At least shawn michaels still performs daily in the WWE. And to respond to your other comments. Brett Hart never said hogan was the best, gauranteed. Bash of the Beach was never proven to be a work, thats why it's such a big controversey. Austin did draw more for the WWE then hogan, as stated plainly by vince mcmahon, and im pretty sure he would know. Hogan did get stale, thats why they turned him heel in 96. I guess I was missing your point, and you proved it by consistently still singing hogans praises? Hogan was the biggest draw in wrestling history when you combine wwe/wcw. He was great, but saying he's the best cause he made the most money is ridiculous. An example, David Beckham is the highest paid soccer player in the world, and he's far from the best anyone who knows soccer knows this. But he's marketable and he makes money, which is great for the sport, but he isnt the best athlete and doesn't play soccer the best. Hogan is very marketable and great for wrestling, but he doesn't perform the best in the ring.

 

[Derf]

After last night, I honestly don't think HBK will end Flairs career. We're all expecting it, but I can see them adding the "Only active Hall of Famer" to his list of achievements. In other words, I can't see him actually retiring after Mania. The stipulation will somehow be lifted, and he will go on for a few more years. We've not seen the end yet, IMO.

 

[slimmshady]

Yep! it has to be the stinger for me. If it wasn't for a new contract with tna, I would be very sure that it definitely would have been sting. No doubt about that. I think Sting would have definitely signed up for contract just for maybe wrestlemania to face his old rival once more. But its a damn shame that tna had to give the stinger a new contract or else it would have been, for me personally, the greatest wrestlemania of all time.