Who should end Flairs career?

[LuvMyEdge]

Lex Luger that would be the shit!




Anywho, being serious. I wouldn't mind seeing Hogan v Flair at mania, but not with Hogan ending it. I would much rather see Flair win the match and continue with this angle. They have already severly drug their feet on this angle, so why not prolong it a little bit. Make it and Ric the focal point of a PPV and have him retired by a champion.

It would be rather hard for Lex Luger to retire Flair from his wheelchair.

I really don't want to see Flair retire yet, even though it's clear he's way past his prime. I hope HBK is the one to wrestle Flair at WM, but I hope HBK ends up losing. Maybe write it so he's just about to deliver a sweet chin music, then we see him conflicted. Then Flair, the dirtiest player in the game, figure fours HBK ... and HBK taps out. That's what I'd like to see, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I think Hulk Hogan should wait until he's got his own wrestling federation together before he wrestles again. This is all just my opinion, of course.

 

[Father:_Polley]

sting doesn't need wwe. why do you think he's never signed for them before now and chose to stick with TNA? the guy has made his name without ever having been part of wwf/e and i don't see him throwing that away.

to be honest, the only reason i think they gave michaels the match with the potential for being flair's last match is because he's older. it's not going to be something that people will say 'why him? he ruined that moment', because he'll be gone soon and wont have to live up to the rep.

and if he loses the match and flair retires on his own terms, he's a big enough name that people will remember who he lost against.

as far as hogan flair goes, i know people want it to happen, but i dont think a retirement match is the way to go about this.

 

[michaelj817]

Shawn is in, and no matter who he has wrestled at past Manias, he always kicks it up a notch and gives the fans their moneys worth. It doesn't matter if he beats Flair or not, because he and Flair will be magic when they hit the ring, and he out of anybody currently on the roster will help deliver a memorable Wrestlmania match.

As Shawn is already in, this is kind of irrelevant, but I couldn't see anyone else beating him anyway, as there isn't much of a rub to give to any of the young guys by beating him. As I've said before, WWE turned this into a second class storyline, so without a serious build, there is no real benefit to a Kennedy or MVP beating someone who WWE has recently portrayed as a feeble old man. I am by no means belittling Flair as a performer, or his legacy, but this is just how things have worked out from a storyline POV. While a younger guy could beat him and brag for a while on Raw, it isn't really going to push them over the edge to superstardom at this point. That's why I am glad they are giving Flair and Shawn the chance to really shine and hopefully we will be talking about it positively for years to come.

 

[vega13mv]

there's actually a bunch of ways to fittingly ending flairs career. H, Micheals, Taker are all worthy candidates. also, if orton wanted to keep rolling on his legend killer monacre, what better way to make that legit by ending flairs carreer? another nice angle would have been taker vs naitch. think about it, carrer vs. winning streak, talk about high stakes! but looks like neither of those things are gonna happen so its interesting to see where WWE takes this. the most likely person now would be shawn michaels, but that kinda seems anti-climatic for me. so i dunno, maybe Hogan vs. Flair would be the best option, but definetely not the most creative.

 

[Shocky]

Well I don't need to respod to the mindless Hogan bashing, because Slyfox is carrying the torch of Hulkamania proudly for all of us Hulkamaniacs.

As far as Michaels carrying the legacy of ending Flair's career, meh, call me ten years ago when that actually meant something. Face it, retiring Ric Flair is meaningless at this point. the guy is way past his prime. If they did htis back in 2002 or something, then maybe, just maybe it would amount to something, but the guy is so old righ tnow, it's frankly pathetic that a younger guy hasn't beaten him already.

Michaels will end Flairs career, then Jericho will probably retire Michaels in ten years and the chain of 40 year olds retiring near 60 year olds will continue forever onward. This match would honestly be a ton better if they put Michaels career on the line as well.

 

[Slyfox696]

Thats your view on wrestling it isnt right or wrong people are gonnea agree and disagree with you. Some people like different styles. Just because you can have the crowd cheer dosnt mean your a good worker

Umm, that's PRECISELY what it means. If you can make the crowd care about you, then that proves you know how to work the crowd. If you can work the crowd well, then you are a good wrestler. This isn't difficult to understand.

the ultimate warrior got people to cheer him and his matches went on for a good 2 minutes.

Only the squash matches. See his match vs. Hogan or Savage at Wrestlemania. Warrior had the best match at Wrestlemania 2 years in a row.

Same with Khali he can draw a house, make people cheer at him. Yet he can barely move around the ring. That makes him a good wreslter?I guess you can say Floyd Mayweather, Eric Bischoff, Batista, Stephanie Mcmahon, and David Arquette are good workers. All of them drew money and got people to cheer at them.

Except that Mayweather, Bischoff, Steph, and Arquette DIDN'T draw money for their in-ring work. And I say Batista is a good worker.

The say exact thing could be said for Hogan whats the difference between Shawn and Hogan?

Several millions dollars. Millions of fans. A history. The greatest feud that never occurred.

Is that enough?

You dont think Hogan is over the hill. If there is one thing to be said about Shawn is he turns it up at WM. Hogan hasnt been in the WWE in how many years? Look at how much Shawn has done for the WWE from 1993 up to now. I cant stand the guy and he carried the company and was one reason why it is still running. Flair sings Shawns praises in his book, and dosnt do the same for Hogan.

Hogan was making big money for the WWE before Shawn Michaels graduated high school. Hulk Hogan was making big money for wrestling before Shawn Michaels even entered high school. Hulk Hogan did his time, and did it much better than HBK has ever done his. What has Shawn ever done for the WWE, other than put it in constant jeopardy with his bitching, and refusal to put others over clean for titles? His reign in 1996 is the second poorest drawing reign ever, he still doesn't draw well for someone of his stature (I imagine he probably ranks 5th of 6th behind Cena, HHH, Rey, Batista, and maybe the Undertaker), and him facing Flair benefits NOBODY.

Hulk Hogan, on the other, is a dream match with Flair, even if we've seen it before. Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair could do great business, and make people buy a ticket they hadn't planned on buying. It could make fans from the 80s buy a ticket to see a match they always wanted, this time for all the marbles.

Hogan makes infinite times more sense than HBK ever will.

Yea, and hogan's constant bashing of the company, and the fact that he only appears occasionally makes him a much better candidate then shawn michaels

No, his ability to still be able to outdraw Shawn Michaels makes him a better candidate.

At least shawn michaels still performs daily in the WWE.

No he doesn't. He works one show a week, unless there's a PPV. HBK rarely works house shows.

And to respond to your other comments. Brett Hart never said hogan was the best, gauranteed.

I can say that Hulk Hogan was not only a hero to millions of Hulkamaniacs, but to all the wrestlers too...
It brought back what I remember most about Hulk Hogan, even more than his feats as a great wrestler....
I’ve always tried to follow his example...
Some things in wrestling have always been real and Hulk Hogan is one of them.

http://www.brethart.com/bio/columns/tribute-hulk-hogan

Bash of the Beach was never proven to be a work, thats why it's such a big controversey.

Except when Hogan and Russo have both come out and said it was a work.

Austin did draw more for the WWE then hogan, as stated plainly by vince mcmahon, and im pretty sure he would know.

No, Austin drew more money in one year than Hogan did...15 years later. Adjust for inflation, add total combined years...Bingo.

Hell, the best year the WWE has ever done was in 2000 when Austin wasn't even around.

Hogan did get stale, thats why they turned him heel in 96.

At which point he completely revolutionized the business...again.

I guess I was missing your point, and you proved it by consistently still singing hogans praises?

The fact Hogan was the biggest face and biggest heel of all time should end any dispute to Hogan being the best.

Hogan was the biggest draw in wrestling history when you combine wwe/wcw.

Precisely? That was the whole point.

He was great, but saying he's the best cause he made the most money is ridiculous.

No, it isn't. Because the whole purpose of being a wrestler is to make money for your company. And a promotion's biggest goal is to make money. So, a performer who does his job the best makes the most money.

Which is why Hogan is the best.

An example, David Beckham is the highest paid soccer player in the world, and he's far from the best anyone who knows soccer knows this.

Last I checked, soccer was real competition and professional wrestling was scripted entertainment. Correct me if I'm wrong.

but he doesn't perform the best in the ring.

How do you figure? What about Hogan's in-ring ability is lacking?

 

[Father:_Polley]

did i read that correctly...khali can draw??? is that guy serious.

sly, i know your a big hogan fan, and while i may not enjoy hogan in the ring, i can't deny how damn good he was at his job. despite this, i dont think hogan/flair right now would be the best way for flair to go out. a few years ago hogan/flair would have made an outstanding addition to a card with a feud attached, but as a one-off match in 2008, i don't think it would do justice to the match people want.

David Beckham...do you have any idea why he's being paid that much? the man is a media goldmine. he's the most recognisable face in football, apologies...soccer, the most marketable face in soccer and has earned more money for his clubs than anyone else. in his day he was an amazing player and still is, but not his best

add to that i've a signed shirt from him...

those are my views, disagree if you will

 

[FlairFan2003]

Wow, there's a lot of hogan fans here lol...First, Flair NEVER said Hogan was the best wrestler at any time. He has praised Hogan's willingness to visit sick children and his drawing ability, but he's also criticized (along with the rest of the known wrestling world) Hogan's absolute unwillingness to work on an even basis with anyone once he became big, essentially insisting on squashing every opponent or refusing to wrestle at all. Anyone who complains that HHH "holds ppl back", (and I'm not saying that's entirely true) he's got nothing on Hogan. HHH puts more guys over in one year than Hogan has since 1982. Hogan did near as much to destroy the business with his "my way or the highway" attitude as he did to build it.

Second, while Hogan did a lot of business Vince McMahon's promotional prowess more than anything else is what propelled WWF from regional company to national (and eventually international) entity. WWF continued to grow with both Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior on top while Hogan was nowhere to be found. Hogan certainly benefited from McMahon's uncanny promotional abilities but in his defense he did play his character perfectly and he definately has charisma and interview ability to spare. Also remember that for most of the 1980's Hogan and WWF DID NOT draw well in the core NWA territories like the Carolinas, Georgia, Kentucky, and Tennessee, at least not in comparison to the business Flair did. But the NWA did draw in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey, the WWF backyard during that time. To this day here in Pittsburgh the highest attendance for a wrestling show was the 1987 Bunkhouse Stampede Final in which Flair and Dusty Rhodes had the top two matches (over 17,500 fans). Considering that we have had multiple SummerSlam events here as well as other PPV, RAW, and Smackdown tapings that is pretty impressive, more so when you consider WWF put on shows here constantoy during that time as Pittsburgh was second only to New York among WWF mainstay cities (Bruno Sammartino was from here)..

Third, while I believe that it should be an established main event star who finally ends Flair's winning streak/career, Hogan has already run roughshod over Flair more than once. He vehemently refused to lose the title to Flair in 1992 even with the promise of winning it back at WrestleMania, and it's well documented that no one in WCW wanted to work with Hogan, he would have failed miserably there if not for Flair putting him over time and again. Not only would this be insulting to wrestling fans to have Hogan end Flair's career, Hogan can hardly move in the ring. Flair is past his prime but could still put on a show with someone who can perform (like Michaels), I doubt he could carry Hogan the way he did in 1994. The match would be terrible, the ending (if Hogan won) insulting, it would be a disaster.

 

[Murfish]

Let me first say that Shawn had better beat Flair. I'm not saying that he is the best candidate and I'm not saying that he isn't. But Flair, after beating a large amount of top talent, frankly should lose. If Flair wins and retires on his own terms it would seem like the wwe is losing some top competitor. Right now Flair is one so he shouldn't be treated like one.

 

[chemreb]

If HBK dosen't retire Flair at Mania, then John Cena should do it. 2 reasons: 1) Cena is building a HOF career, he needs a stamp on his legacy. Cena has 3 years on top of WWE and nothing to remember him by. 2) Cena is in much need of a heel turn. The over 18 year old fans hate Cena already. Retiring Ric Flair will give Cena the boost to become a monster heel turn. The WWE marketing must hear all of the boos in the arena. Cena is a great worker, but he doesn't have the "it" factor like Hogan, Andre, Flair, Austin or the Rock had. Make Cena a heel and do it now!

Side note- Why aren't Arn and the Horsemen inducting Flair into the HOF? This is a no-brainer. Flair has had an awesome career, but every Flair fan will remember his days with the Horsemen with the most fondness.

 

[mark4life]

Shawn is a good choice, would like to see Triple H do it if he wasn't involve in the title match already. A dream match would be awesome to see if he was a still active & that is Ricky Steamboat(haha)! A fan can always dream right?