Who Performs the Finisher Better - Randy Orton or DDP?
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MattRhys20
Cena fan since Word-Life
People saying that DDP was better because it can come out of nowhere, I see you argument and I raise you this RKO on Evan Bourne. The technique, skill, agility etc to pull this off perfectly is just something else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4cpamYcBWU
I've gotta go with the R.K.O on this one, purely because I also believe it's the best finisher in WWE today, it looks like it would do the most damage if you did it on the street to someone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4cpamYcBWU
I've gotta go with the R.K.O on this one, purely because I also believe it's the best finisher in WWE today, it looks like it would do the most damage if you did it on the street to someone
amysmiley15
New Member
DDP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY2_zFvJuiY
RKO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yoa8RgRys
hard decision Orton's looks better, but I think I'll go with DDP because there's so many variations of the Diamond Cutter like the RKO at times when DDP did it it look like it was the Stunner or better yet in the video it looked like he did a few F5's too and I just like the idea of the Diamond Cutter it got the people on they're feet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY2_zFvJuiY
RKO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yoa8RgRys
hard decision Orton's looks better, but I think I'll go with DDP because there's so many variations of the Diamond Cutter like the RKO at times when DDP did it it look like it was the Stunner or better yet in the video it looked like he did a few F5's too and I just like the idea of the Diamond Cutter it got the people on they're feet
Silver Fox
Its slobbering time
DDP. Without a doubt. Orton takes to long to set up, has a high risk of botching it, and makes it look to cartoonish. DDP's always looked effective and devastating. Anyone saying Orton is either an Orton mark, or to young to have watch DDP/WCW.
TylerFloyd5283
Dark Match Jobber
DDP had the better way of connecting to the crowd before hed perform it however randy orton hits it out of nowhere, whether its randy has evolved the move I give it to Randy however it should also be noted Randy has had far better wrestlers to sell it...and way more success with it
fenderjapan
Pre-Show Stalwart
DDP. Not only did he perform it better but he made it part of his character. He integrated his finisher and how he hits it into his promos, into the logic of his matches. Anytime someone was in a position vaguely vulnerable to the diamond cutter the commentators let it be known.
unknown6181
Dark Match Jobber
The RKO is botched far more often and looks more awkward. (Didn't you ever wonder why, in the past, he was on Smackdown so damn much? It's taped and can be edited). To make the RKO look good, both men have to be in perfect sync. I remember the worst example of a live RKO botching was when Jericho had somebody in the Walls of Jericho (Boston Crab) and Orton was supposed to run past and hit the RKO. Orton ran, jumped too late, and missed by a mile. Now Jericho has to keep the hold on (Despite seeing Orton and knowing exactly what is coming, which completely kills any suspension of disbelief) so Orton can get back up and attempt to perform the move again.
DDP pulled guys into the Diamond Cutter so the timing of the bump was easier to pull off.
I give it to Diamond Dallas Page by consistency.
DDP pulled guys into the Diamond Cutter so the timing of the bump was easier to pull off.
I give it to Diamond Dallas Page by consistency.
The diamond cutter looks more believable, because he is physically dragging his opponents down, however I think the RKO is a better move. The RKO is quite a unique finisher in that it can be used as a counter to a massive amount of moves, which we saw a lot in the Orton/Christian feud. So yeah, Diamond cutter is the more believable move, but the RKO is the better one theatrically imo.
One thing I should have mentioned before is consistency. DDP very rarely botched the cutter, and when he did it was usually because of the opponent not falling properly. Some others mentioned it, but Orton's version requires great timing between both men to look the most effective. If the opponent isn't right there with Orton, it can look very bad (i.e Randy falling to the ground alone, having to try again). DDP grabbed hold and took you to the mat whether you dropped properly or not.
Also, DDP's Fireman Carry into the Diamond Cutter looks absolutely sick, he should have used that variation more often.
Also, DDP's Fireman Carry into the Diamond Cutter looks absolutely sick, he should have used that variation more often.
The way I always saw it, DDP's Diamond Cutter was more of a power move. Orton found ways to give it more of a quick release with a higher impact.
The best finishers are a marriage between one guy hitting the move and the other selling it. Orton's version of it made it easier for his opponents to sell it which always makes a wrestling move look better.
The best finishers are a marriage between one guy hitting the move and the other selling it. Orton's version of it made it easier for his opponents to sell it which always makes a wrestling move look better.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
Simple reason for picking the Cutter above the RKO - it looks more real.
Particularly with improvised versions, Randy's version may look beautiful but it doesn't look painful whereas DDP's always looked like he had really jacked his opponents head. The reason behind this is somewhat simple, Paige wrapped his arm around the throat and neck and placed his other hand over the top giving it a guillotine feel; Orton only uses one arm and, with the jumping he does, he rarely looks like he has much (or indeed, any) grip on his opponents head which, if you think it through means that he is jumping onto his back for his opponent to headbutt his shoulder... which would technically put him in the victim roll against DDP's former victims Bigelow and Benoit. To clarify, I know some may argue that Randy jacks their jaws rather than experiencing a head butt but what I'm trying to express is that he doesn't have control of the head so he doesn't ensure that the jaw gets jacked; a control aspect that the Cutter emphasized.
Particularly with improvised versions, Randy's version may look beautiful but it doesn't look painful whereas DDP's always looked like he had really jacked his opponents head. The reason behind this is somewhat simple, Paige wrapped his arm around the throat and neck and placed his other hand over the top giving it a guillotine feel; Orton only uses one arm and, with the jumping he does, he rarely looks like he has much (or indeed, any) grip on his opponents head which, if you think it through means that he is jumping onto his back for his opponent to headbutt his shoulder... which would technically put him in the victim roll against DDP's former victims Bigelow and Benoit. To clarify, I know some may argue that Randy jacks their jaws rather than experiencing a head butt but what I'm trying to express is that he doesn't have control of the head so he doesn't ensure that the jaw gets jacked; a control aspect that the Cutter emphasized.
Bubba Cutter!!! No seriously I think DDP's was a better version. It was spontaneous at times where as you always can tell when Orton is gonna do the RKO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMz1rAUlIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMz1rAUlIc
Jdulemba1001
Occasional Pre-Show
I voted for DDP. While Orton CAN hit the RKO out of nowhere, he rarely does. He usually pounds the mat, sets it up, then hits it. Im a mark for any finisher that can be hit out of absolutely nowhere. DDP used to do that all the time, so he gets my vote. If orton would start doing that, he may be able to swing my vote.
AmerikanWolves619
Occasional Pre-Show
BANG!!! DDP is my vote. Just like alot of people say here, where he "literary hit it out of no where" meant that you (the fans) would not know when to expect it; hence the BANG! effect that made the crowd pop huge whenever he hit the Diamond Cutter. From any place, in any set up, Diamond Dallas Page would catch his opponent off guard completely. Where as Randy Orton, you and the opponent knew that it was coming with him pounding his fists to the mat "coiling up for the strike". The SURPRISE hit is what the fans miss the most.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I'll give it to Orton for the simple fact his looks more high impact and devastating. In every other category they match up pretty evenly. They can both hit the move from anywhere and have both done it in very creative ways and with either the Diamond Cutter or the RKO you always get the feeling that both guys can hit it from any position at any time on any person which helps. Both have put away the biggest and baddest with their finisher so outside of the actual look of the move they are dead even everywhere.
Like I said at the top I give it to Orton because its more believable you can put away an opponent with the RKO. It's probably for the simple fact that Orton jumps when he hits the RKO unlike DDP but for that simple reason I gotta give it to him. Sometimes the Diamond cutter looked weak when he hit it and I don't get that feeling as much watching the RKO.
Like I said at the top I give it to Orton because its more believable you can put away an opponent with the RKO. It's probably for the simple fact that Orton jumps when he hits the RKO unlike DDP but for that simple reason I gotta give it to him. Sometimes the Diamond cutter looked weak when he hit it and I don't get that feeling as much watching the RKO.
snowblind56
Dark Match Jobber
I voted for DDP's. His just looked more brutal.
I know Bubba Ray's Bubbacutter has been brought up, but nobody has mentioned the Dudley's 3D Dudley Death Drop. That used to be insane, especially when tables were involved.
I know Bubba Ray's Bubbacutter has been brought up, but nobody has mentioned the Dudley's 3D Dudley Death Drop. That used to be insane, especially when tables were involved.
I think that I personally like the DDP version better, but only slightly.
I CANNOT stand the RKO build up move where he falls down to the ground and you know the people are just going to counter it or whatever. It makes no sense to me and he never hits it. He has also switched it to virtually being a one-armed version which is not as cool to me.
I think when Orton first brought it out, they really made it a great "can be hit at any time" move and it was fantastic with his legend killer gimmick. I thought literally, he could see Dusty Rhodes at a restaurant and he would RKO his legendary ass. But it simply is not that anymore.
DDP always put the two hands together. Grabbed the opponents head and made it look a little more menacing that RKO does now.
In the end it is a really close vote for me and I simply LOVE LOVE LOVE this move ... but "It's me, It's me" gets my vote.
I CANNOT stand the RKO build up move where he falls down to the ground and you know the people are just going to counter it or whatever. It makes no sense to me and he never hits it. He has also switched it to virtually being a one-armed version which is not as cool to me.
I think when Orton first brought it out, they really made it a great "can be hit at any time" move and it was fantastic with his legend killer gimmick. I thought literally, he could see Dusty Rhodes at a restaurant and he would RKO his legendary ass. But it simply is not that anymore.
DDP always put the two hands together. Grabbed the opponents head and made it look a little more menacing that RKO does now.
In the end it is a really close vote for me and I simply LOVE LOVE LOVE this move ... but "It's me, It's me" gets my vote.
I kinda get the whole snake-dance thing, because Orton is the Viper an' all. I do agree, however, that it shouldn't get countered so much after that set-up, only to be hit "out of nowhere" later on in the match.
If DDP drags the opponent down anyway, wouldn't that make the move a hell of a lot more stiff if the opponent's timing was off? I'm all about the flash and the FAKE fighting, because I suspect that we all secretly like to think we could pull off some of the moves as "brawler" wrestlers ourselves and stiff working is... deterrant to say the least.
The RKO seems much safer to the botching opponent. Then again, we might argue, that it would be his just desserts for not selling properly.
The cutter is a very versatile move, with the Bubbacutter, Twist of Fate, Big Ending and (I think) Crossrhodes being other variations thereof, so green rep to its inventor.
On a sidenote, do you guys think that Big E missed the opportunity to turn his Big Ending into DDP's fireman's carry variation or are you as sick as I am of seeing the fireman's carry as the set-up for SO many finishers these days?
enviousdominous
Behold my diction
DDP all the way.
DDP moving up through the ranks is a very different story than Randy Orton moving up through the ranks.
DDP was a manager who had to behave like a Pam Anderson Rip Taylor hybrid when he was in AWA. They finally let him have a few matches and after years of fighting tooth and nail for his spot he was allowed to be the guy with the cool theme song and jaw dropping (literally and figuratively) finisher. The only reason they had to book him as a champion was his work ethic.
Randy Orton fell out of his mom one day. He was given the role of a happy dork that can't lose. He botched the modified swinging neckbreaker that was his finisher on almost every occasion, so they gave him a version of the neck cutter that requires more of your opponent than most other moves. He became HHH's chihuahua up until getting handed the world title, he then lost his spot to Batista for trying to grope anything remotely female in his immediate presence. They taught other would be cocky pieces of shit not to behave like him by giving Randall an awesome theme song and a push.
So yeah. One man made it through persevering, the other made it by being born. I believe that DDP performed the move with more class, as it didn't require him to get into a fight with the mat before doing it. They both executed the move in very unique situations, one did it before the other. There's nothing unique about Randy Orton, he's a poorly constructed groaning mass that does a shit job of representing those who inspired his gimmick.
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DDP moving up through the ranks is a very different story than Randy Orton moving up through the ranks.
DDP was a manager who had to behave like a Pam Anderson Rip Taylor hybrid when he was in AWA. They finally let him have a few matches and after years of fighting tooth and nail for his spot he was allowed to be the guy with the cool theme song and jaw dropping (literally and figuratively) finisher. The only reason they had to book him as a champion was his work ethic.
Randy Orton fell out of his mom one day. He was given the role of a happy dork that can't lose. He botched the modified swinging neckbreaker that was his finisher on almost every occasion, so they gave him a version of the neck cutter that requires more of your opponent than most other moves. He became HHH's chihuahua up until getting handed the world title, he then lost his spot to Batista for trying to grope anything remotely female in his immediate presence. They taught other would be cocky pieces of shit not to behave like him by giving Randall an awesome theme song and a push.
So yeah. One man made it through persevering, the other made it by being born. I believe that DDP performed the move with more class, as it didn't require him to get into a fight with the mat before doing it. They both executed the move in very unique situations, one did it before the other. There's nothing unique about Randy Orton, he's a poorly constructed groaning mass that does a shit job of representing those who inspired his gimmick.
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I absolutely love the Cutter / RKO as a finisher. It's effective and I enjoy the versatility of it, as both Orton and DDP have been creative in its uses (Vs Carlito, Evan Bourne, Eddie & The Giant for example). I've always liked it how it was hit on Diggler recently (thrown up in the air and then you jump up and hit it as they come down, similar to the Bubba Cutter or Dudley Device I guess).
My vote goes to DDP, although it's a desperately close-run thing. The 2-handed (as someone else said, "guillotine" style) makes it appear just that little bit more hard-hitting and makes it look a though it relies on the other person less.
My vote goes to DDP, although it's a desperately close-run thing. The 2-handed (as someone else said, "guillotine" style) makes it appear just that little bit more hard-hitting and makes it look a though it relies on the other person less.