Who has more promo talent on the mic. TNA or WWE?

[Hulkamaniac]

You should probably pay attention to the FACTS before you call someone a liar, tool. Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't look like such an idiot. I have specifically said, time and time again, and you can go find it in threads time and time again, that I don't watch any of the SHOWS, whether it be TNA or WWE. I don't force myself to sit through any companies show because they're all lackluster and I refuse to give any of them my time in terms of television and ratings. But I do watch videos of either company on the internet, and those videos are plenty enough for me to keep upto date and have a very viable opinion of what I'm commenting on. I watched the entire segment with Flair/Lethal from last week's show which gives me just as valid an opinion as you on the segment, for instance, despite you wasting your time (probably) watching the entire show. So no I'm not criticizing something randomly that I have no knowledge of, so stop acting like a fool.

Of course, I'm sure you conveniently watch all these segments. So, you don't waste your time watching the whole show, but you watch the whole show on video. Oh yeah, makes perfect sense.

And that's not the only promo Flair has done, ******. And his promos have been universally praised.

That didn't make his promo make any more sense. Sting's fine on the mic, Hogan's horrible.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you understood how wrestling worked. Allow me to explain it for you: a heel is a bad guy, and a face is a good guy. Hogan is portraying a face (remember, this is a good guy), so his promo is supposed to be a good guy promo that combats the bad things being said by Sting, the heel (again, the bad guy). But Sting started cutting a FACE (good guy) promo, so what should Hogan do? Start cutting a heel promo just because Sting fucked up? Yeah, not so much. He cut the promo he was supposed to cut to set up the rest of the segment. Sting fucked up, not Hogan.

Yeeeah, because HHH as a part of DX (which he was for a large amount of the past few years) stares intensely into the camera and talks intensely. Maybe you should watch the program and know what you're making comments about before you make them, hypocrit, otherwise it makes you look like an idiot.

Except Hunter isn't currently in DX, so his promos are his generic intense promos. And his DX promos are een worse, since they're just penis jokes without any cleverness. His promos are solid, but not spectacular. I don't see how rating him in my top 16 in the entire wrestling business is some kind of diss to Hunter.

Yeah, because just like your comment about Flair being praised for his promos as of late the same has been done about Batista, too. Not one program but for a while now, since he turned heel. Good job showing your hypocrisy once again. Edge has always been praised for his promos, so that comment about his promos not working is just silly. And while you don't like Orton's promos there's a great deal of people who do, and the fans clearly are very much behind him, so YOU stop acting like you know what makes a good promo.

Except these are the only recent promos we have to go on for Flair, but when last he was in the WWE, his promos were still good anyways. Batista meanwhile has been an active wrestler for awhile now. And Batista's promos haven't been good since he turned heel, he was boring and generic against Mysterio. Against Cena he upped his game, but that doesn't mean he's a top promo guy.

Maybe you're too clueless to realize this but your list was made up of 16 people, was it not? So why would I pick a random number like 10 to compare out of 16? Or 5 to compare out of 16? You listed 16, and half of those were WWE talents and half of them were TNA talents. So what's HALF OF 16? That's right... 8! And of your top 8, which is the top HALF of your list, you veered towards the WWE NOT TNA. That's not opinion, that's FACT.

And I agree entirely, WWE talent are better at promos!

The number is only 16 because these are the only guys I consider to be consistently good/great promo guys. It's not like some definitive number, so there's no reason to split it to 8, when I have already given you a list of 16. However...

Even under your stupid "half of your top 16" criteria, how does it veer towards WWE? Your a complete moron. I have the # 1, 4, 5, and 8 guys from TNA, which is an average ranking of 4.5. I have the # 2, 3, 6, and 7 guys from WWE, which is an average ranking of, get this, 4.5. So the list is pretty evenly split, unless you can't do math, which is very possible given the level of intelligence you display in your posts.

And, BTW, from my top 16, TNA has an average ranking of 8.375 to WWE's 8.625, so, like I said, it's a slight advantage to TNA in my opinion, but certainly not a blowout.

So, in closing, you're a fucking moron.

 

[Chrome]

ok so we've obviously figured out if the OP is a TNA fan or a WWE fan,

words..

yet you leave some AMAZING mic workers from the WWE out

how so? i watch both TNA and WWE,. why is everyone so hostile about the topic? I did say in the op to tell me the folks I missed so I can include them (READ the bottom)

Basically, I like promo's so made a thread about it and waited a few days to revisit it so that it could build before re-editing the OP to include people I may have forgetten (like Santino (no idea how I forgot him he is funny as hell))

But to think I am biased is totally not true.

BTW* OP has been edited to include folks (Raven as well and Vince McMahon)

I never saw a thread like this here so thought to make one. i am not picking sides.. nothing more nothing less. So please try not to "Assume" my stance on it. I just thought this would be a fun topic.

 

[MisterRob]

Of course, I'm sure you conveniently watch all these segments. So, you don't waste your time watching the whole show, but you watch the whole show on video. Oh yeah, makes perfect sense.

And that's not the only promo Flair has done, ******. And his promos have been universally praised.

Since when is the entire Impact show on youtube? I sure as hell don't watch the whole show on youtube, just a number of videos of pieces OF the show (but certainly enough to have an opinion). How stupid are you?

And since when did I say that was the ONLY Flair promo he's done? You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, because your insult had nothing to do with what I was even saying.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you understood how wrestling worked. Allow me to explain it for you: a heel is a bad guy, and a face is a good guy. Hogan is portraying a face (remember, this is a good guy), so his promo is supposed to be a good guy promo that combats the bad things being said by Sting, the heel (again, the bad guy). But Sting started cutting a FACE (good guy) promo, so what should Hogan do? Start cutting a heel promo just because Sting fucked up? Yeah, not so much. He cut the promo he was supposed to cut to set up the rest of the segment. Sting fucked up, not Hogan.

I thought you DID watch TNA? You know, the place where there is no faces or heels, just shades of gray. And I didn't realize you had some inside scoop and knew both the wrestlers and the script of the show to know how the segment was SUPPOSE to go and that Sting, not Hogan, fucked it up. My bad. Your inside knowledge is ASTOUNDING. I had thought Hogan was just rambling on incoherently like he usually does, how wrong was I.

Except Hunter isn't currently in DX, so his promos are his generic intense promos. And his DX promos are een worse, since they're just penis jokes without any cleverness. His promos are solid, but not spectacular. I don't see how rating him in my top 16 in the entire wrestling business is some kind of diss to Hunter.

Actually, he's injured so he hasn't been cutting ANY promos. But yeah, from this post I feel like you've proven you haven't watched WWE since the Attitude era. That was a long time ago, you know?

Except these are the only recent promos we have to go on for Flair, but when last he was in the WWE, his promos were still good anyways. Batista meanwhile has been an active wrestler for awhile now. And Batista's promos haven't been good since he turned heel, he was boring and generic against Mysterio. Against Cena he upped his game, but that doesn't mean he's a top promo guy.

Your opinion of course. I think you're wrong.

So, in closing, you're a fucking moron.

I feel the same way about you in return. I figure you're too stupid to know what the list YOU posted even means and how it breaks down from TOP to BOTTOM. But I figure arguing common sense with you is hopeless so I’m going to get back on topic.


I’m not overly worried about who has more promo talent between the two companies, TNA or WWE, as much as I believe both companies need to do a better job of developing those skills and teaching their talent those skills when it comes to their younger, up and coming stars. When you look at WWE’s top promo guys a lot of them have developed those skills in the WWE, but there’s also a lot of them who are established stars and who brought talent with the mic from other companies or roots, and the next generation of up and coming talent seems to be lacking in that department and aren’t really getting the opportunities they need to further develop and gain that skill set. When you look at the roster of TNA and those who are getting the majority of praise for their promo skills, the majority of those talents are either very established names who are bringing those talents with them from a career of developing them or they’re not even home grown talents of TNA (many who have come from WWE). They have neither learned nor developed their promo skills in TNA, while the home grown talent are for the most part rather poor at it or certainly need some serious improvement. I will give TNA credit though for at least attempting to give guys like AJ Styles, Desmond Wolfe (who I think is a good promo), the Pope, Ken Anderson, etc. the time and the means to further develop and prove themselves in that area, while I don’t see WWE doing it as much on all levels of the roster but mostly only the top tier of the roster. Or, at least, not as much as one would hope they would.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Since when is the entire Impact show on youtube? I sure as hell don't watch the whole show on youtube, just a number of videos of pieces OF the show (but certainly enough to have an opinion). How stupid are you?

An uninformed opinion. That's like me trying to give an opinion on the nuances of a football game I've only seen highlights of. I'm sure, yes, you randomly watch bits of the show. It's pretty obvious that you just read the reports given on the IWC.

I thought you DID watch TNA? You know, the place where there is no faces or heels, just shades of gray. And I didn't realize you had some inside scoop and knew both the wrestlers and the script of the show to know how the segment was SUPPOSE to go and that Sting, not Hogan, fucked it up. My bad. Your inside knowledge is ASTOUNDING. I had thought Hogan was just rambling on incoherently like he usually does, how wrong was I.

See, like here. You claim that you have watched enough of the show to have a valid opinion, but you don't even know who the faces and heels are. Hogan has ebeen blatantly playing a face for months now. Months. Meanwhile Sting has had a widely publicized heel turn. So I don't need to be inside the company to know that when the heel is cutting a face-style promo, he's the one who messed up. Thanks for proving my point that you have no valid opinion on the subject though.

Actually, he's injured so he hasn't been cutting ANY promos. But yeah, from this post I feel like you've proven you haven't watched WWE since the Attitude era. That was a long time ago, you know?

He was on the show just 2-3 weeks ago, actually opening the show with a promo. So, again, you're wrong. Not that I'm sure anyone reading this will find that shocking.

Your opinion of course. I think you're wrong.

It's been my opinion the whole time, you were the one who came in here pretending you knew my opinion better then I did, and then made a stupid argument about half of my top 16 and veering towards the WWE, which was just wrong and I proved it so with actual facts.

I feel the same way about you in return. I figure you're too stupid to know what the list YOU posted even means and how it breaks down from TOP to BOTTOM. But I figure arguing common sense with you is hopeless so I’m going to get back on topic.

I love how you go on rambling nonsensical rants when you're proven wrong, and avoid even addressing those issues. What a tard.

 

[MisterRob]

An uninformed opinion. That's like me trying to give an opinion on the nuances of a football game I've only seen highlights of. I'm sure, yes, you randomly watch bits of the show. It's pretty obvious that you just read the reports given on the IWC.

Watching entire segments is not the same as watching highlights of a sports game, sorry to inform you. If you can't see the difference there then you're an idiot. Reading the reports on the ENTIRE show, and in doing so knowing everything that happens on the show, is not the same as watching hightlights of a sports game. Once again, anyone but an idiot would know that. You claiming I have an uninformed opinion is just a foolish statement, I don't need to sit down and watch the entire Impact show (because you're a TNA fan and want me to watch that shit) to have an opinion and be justified in that opinion. End of story.

See, like here. You claim that you have watched enough of the show to have a valid opinion, but you don't even know who the faces and heels are. Hogan has ebeen blatantly playing a face for months now. Months. Meanwhile Sting has had a widely publicized heel turn. So I don't need to be inside the company to know that when the heel is cutting a face-style promo, he's the one who messed up. Thanks for proving my point that you have no valid opinion on the subject though.

Perhaps you were once again too stupid to see the clear sarcasm in my comment. I thought it was pretty CLEAR. I know Hogan is playing the face and wants to be the face of the entire company, and I'm quite aware of how someone whose suppose to be cutting a HEEL promo can cut a FACE promo and make things come across as ridiculous, just look at Jarrett's promo with Hogan months ago. But don't act like you KNOW how that segment was suppose to go, because you don't. Clearly you, who supposedly watched the segment and the show, missed the entire point of the promo where Sting was trying to imply that he was doing what he was for TNA, trying to protect it FROM Hogan, and trying to imply Hogan's actually playing games and setting things up while pretending to be the face. Which is what he's been hinting at for a long time now, since Hogan came into TNA. Maybe YOU should go back and watch Impact a little harder.

He was on the show just 2-3 weeks ago, actually opening the show with a promo. So, again, you're wrong. Not that I'm sure anyone reading this will find that shocking.

Once again you missed my sarcasm, but I still fully stand by my Attitude era comment because you're proven you're a hypocrit and are making opinions on something you clearly don't even watch or have enough knowledge of.

It's been my opinion the whole time, you were the one who came in here pretending you knew my opinion better then I did, and then made a stupid argument about half of my top 16 and veering towards the WWE, which was just wrong and I proved it so with actual facts.

You didn't prove anything, moron, and clearly you didn't prove you even know how a LIST works. Or how RANKING wrestlers 1-16 works. Go back to school, you need it.

 

[Optimist Prime]

Who has more promo talent on the mic. TNA or WWE?

Probably WWE but not by a lot. The newer generation that's coming out seemed to have put all of their devotion to their craft and hardly anything at all to their personality or character. John Morrison, Ted Dibiase Jr., Cody Rhodes, Evan Bourne, Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, etc. They all can't cut a promo to save their lives. TNA might be even worse. The best new generational personality was on the Real World. Everybody else seems to have put too much on their training and not enough on anything else.

 

[Undar8d]

I'm going to have to agree with some of the others and say that it's pretty even. I love the work of CM Punk, Batista, John Cena, Vickie, Jericho, Miz, MVP and my favourite Santino, while I also enjoy the work of Kennedy, Sting, Eric, Kurt Angle and Ric Flair. I'm also beginning to like Jeff Hardy, but he started improving in WWE.

If I had to choose though, I'd lean a little more towards WWE, besides the fact that I like their promos better, but because young generations that are coming up are showing that they can talk with the mic, such as Otunga