What's with the entrance order?

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So Barrett and Big Zeke are wrestling on the OTL PPV right now.

After they showed the video package highlighting the recent events between the two they went back to the arena... and Wade Barretts music hit, and out comes the Intercontinental Champion himself.

I've noticed that they do this from time to time, but why? The champ is supposed to come out second, right? Is it just absent minded thinking on WWE's part?

I'm not trying to make a big deal about it and sound like I'm bitching, but I just wondered if anyone else had noticed this...
 
I know at times in the past it's been played off as someone trying to prove entrance doesn't psych them out. don't remember who it was but the champion insisted on coming out before undertaker to prove that his mind cames didn't work.
 
The champion doesn't necessarily have to come out second, but it's something that traditionally happens. It can actually be a tactic for a chickenshit heel to come out first then jump the opponent as they're coming in the ring. Chillax and enjoy it yo.
 
I've noticed that the WWE sometimes does this, and you can tell by the entry order who will win the match, I noticed this at 2010 Night of Champions.
 
Traditionally, the champion is in fact supposed to come out second or last, however it's also tradition for the face to come out second. A lot of times, it's also a matter of whether or not there's to be some pre-match work or not.

People who are/will say that it doesn't matter just go to show that they don't pay much attention, nor have they read any legends autobiographies post Evolution... if they had, then they'd know that it's considered disrespect to make the champion go out first.

However, WWE's been doing this for years and the method behind it changes... but the most common one is so that the face can come out second for a bigger reaction.
 
In the past, yes, the champion came out last... But now, it seems as if the heel comes out first most of the time, regardless of who is the champion. Hell, The Miz came out before Cena at WrestleMania.

IMO, "tradition" is out the window these days. They seem to want the bigger crowd reaction to come second, though.

-Bill
 
So Barrett and Big Zeke are wrestling on the OTL PPV right now.

After they showed the video package highlighting the recent events between the two they went back to the arena... and Wade Barretts music hit, and out comes the Intercontinental Champion himself.

I've noticed that they do this from time to time, but why? The champ is supposed to come out second, right? Is it just absent minded thinking on WWE's part?

I'm not trying to make a big deal about it and sound like I'm bitching, but I just wondered if anyone else had noticed this...

I've never paid much attention to it, but from what I remember, it seems like the face coming out last is the new trend. Plus they've mentioned before that it's the champion's choice of when to come out.
 
From a person in the business sometimes they just want to send the heel out first so he can get heat even if he is champ. They want to see how the crowd reacts to zeke now.
 
i believe the miz was the one who said the champion deserves to come out first...like an ego move or something so i think they do it that way...in smackdown vs raw the video game they do it as well...i hate ithaha
 
I know at times in the past it's been played off as someone trying to prove entrance doesn't psych them out. don't remember who it was but the champion insisted on coming out before undertaker to prove that his mind cames didn't work.

I think that it was Batista at WM23 that had the Undertaker come out second.

As far as the entrances go, this isn't something new that WWE is doing. Wrestlemania V, Savage (RIP) entered before Hogan.
 
Everyone in this thread is wrong. Being champion no longer determines the entrance order. Being a heel doesn't bring you out first. For example, there are many times when John Cena comes out to the ring first on Raw, right after coming back from a break. Then you have the heel coming out first so you can have a face pop.

The entrance order now depends entirely on how the WWE wants to manipulate crowd reaction. They try to balance optimize the entire show to keep fans from getting cheering fatigue. Don't try to figure out any pattern, there isn't one beyond what I just said.
 
The heel coming out first is not a new trend it has always been that way... I even got yelled at for not doing it that way back when I did ring announcing a music for a small company years back. I thought since the heel was champ he should come out second. He apologized or getting angry later, but I learned something.

Granted, it doesn't matter quite so much in a big company when the heels and faces are established, but it still makes sense that the face will get a better reaction if the people have already been booing the heel.


A lot of times in the past they would have the champ second, but it's never been a set in stone thing. And in the end it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
 
I used to have a theory, if A wrestler came out wearing a belt over the shoulder during a PPV they were going to still walk out with the belt. If it was around their waist they were going to lose it.

Traditions are gone in my opinion. All us fans can do is sit back and hope the ride becomes a bit smoother in the future.
 
i agree with everyone that it is tradition and vince(as well as others) gave up on that a long time ago but i also felt it has to do with the crowd reaction. so few of the wrestlers, face or heel, get good crowd reactions. sure, maybe people cheer or boo them but most times it is real low-key and not the kind of reaction that shows someone is really over. being the case, they put the guy with the best crowd reaction last - champ or not. think about it this way, are you going to send Wade Barrett to the ring last when the crown doesn't really care or Cena when all the kiddies go nuts? i think they are planning for things like dvds and recaps for other shows so they want that big reaction right before the match starts to make it look like it was a big deal.
 
I think that it was Batista at WM23 that had the Undertaker come out second.

As far as the entrances go, this isn't something new that WWE is doing. Wrestlemania V, Savage (RIP) entered before Hogan.

Yes It was Batista. I think the most popular superstar comes out last. Not all the time though.
 
I know at times in the past it's been played off as someone trying to prove entrance doesn't psych them out. don't remember who it was but the champion insisted on coming out before undertaker to prove that his mind cames didn't work.

Brock Lesnar, for their Hell in a Cell match.

On topic, I've noticed this, too. And, it never fails to piss me off. In pretty much every combat sport that professional wrestling rips off, the champion enters last, and is announced last for every title defense. It's considered something that was earned by virtue of winning a given championship. The only time this wasn't done, to the best of my knowledge, was for Larry Holmes' defense against Gerry Cooney. This was seen as a massive insult to Larry Holmes.
 
I'm pretty sure Flair complained, either in his book or on his dvd, that there wasn't any logic in having the champion come out first. He argued something along the lines of "I'm the champ, who's this guy, he's a nobody, why would I EVER wait for him? He should always wait for me."

Of course, Flair was raised in the mindset of the NWA champ who would go territory to territory and defend against their top guy (who would still be rather no-name).
 
Everyone in this thread is wrong. Being champion no longer determines the entrance order. Being a heel doesn't bring you out first. For example, there are many times when John Cena comes out to the ring first on Raw, right after coming back from a break. Then you have the heel coming out first so you can have a face pop.

The entrance order now depends entirely on how the WWE wants to manipulate crowd reaction. They try to balance optimize the entire show to keep fans from getting cheering fatigue. Don't try to figure out any pattern, there isn't one beyond what I just said.

That doesn't make sense. I agree with the crowd manipulation, in a much broader scheme than that, but the cheering fatigue doesn't make sense. Mostly because an average entrance is around fifteen to twenty seconds. I don't understand how that time frame makes a difference to regaining energy and avoiding fatigue, especially if the heel is getting a large reaction as well. I follow and fully believe that theory when it comes to booking and match placement, such as why there is usually a divas match or a lesser gimmick match in between the world title matches, but thats about it. And yes, hypothetically there are alot of children in the audience and its fair to assume they may get tired, but most of them are just so excited to be there they stay pumped until the end, and then crash. It's not like the main event often gets a dead reaction. Unless its an experimental ME, its usually the top reaction, especially PPVs, where there are less segments between matches and more matches overall.

I am completely with anyone who said the champion should traditionally come out last. It's a perk earned by being given a championship, and when its reversed, unless there is a reason, such as an attack or a surprise opponent, I do find it disrespectful. Well, I don't really care anymore, but I find the idea disrespectful. American wrestling has lost so much luster that its lost its own integrity. There really are a thousand factors, I suppose. The face coming out last seems to be a major one. Crowd manipulation as well, such as Vince trying to force or test (mostly force) a reaction upon a certain wrestler, as in the case of the Jackson/Barrett match among others. I'm sure the other reasons vary anywhere from gimmicks within a wrestlers entrance, to psyching up a dead crowd or a wrestler cutting a pre-match promo. I would even bet money it has happened several times because a wrestler needed to finish using the bathroom or finish taping their wrists or other stupid reasons.

Regardless, its a tradition that should be resurrected. It's fine for a Raw or Smackdown, especially a middle of the card random match, but for any PPV, especially WrestleMania, its completely disrespectful. Sure Cena is a god compared to Miz, but the company gave Miz the belt going in to the event, so he earned the right, by their own standards, to come out after Cena. Especially since it would serve to give Miz even more heat in doing so. The mega stars don't need that extra boost, just like the old saying that Wrestler X doesnt need the world title to be a star. It isn't going to boost your ratings by even one person having the bigger star coming out second. If you want the massive reaction to close the show, give the star the win, but either way your champions deserve the respect of being announced after the challenger, especially if they could use the credit for their career.
 
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