What's happening with Punk?

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

Ok, now I'm a Punk fan so I'm going to try and not be biased with this but honestly, Punk's reigns have been booked horribly. Let's have a look:

ECW Championship - He has a 3-4 month reign that was 'good' for his first title and wasnt too bad with defences against John Morrison, Big Daddy V and Elijah Burke before finally loosing it to Chavo.

World Heavyweight Championship - He cash's in money in the bank and defeats an already Batista beat up Edge for the championship. The moment when he won was great, but from there the reign was booked horribly. He has title defences against Batista and JBL and then loses it after the scramble he wasnt even involved in. He has great rematch in a cage against Jericho but then never brings it up again or tries to get 'his' title back.

World Tag Championship - He then randomly get's paired with Kofi and end up winning the titles... Why, no one knows. The reign was shit, didnt have any defences and they end up losing to Miz & Morrison at a fuckin house show. WWE obviously had no idea where they were going with Kofi and Punk.

Intercontinental Championship - He then wins the IC title of Regal after weeks of an IC tournament and 2 title matches to then lose just a month or so later to JBL who he hasnt had any recent fued/dialogue with!!

When you look at Punk's year, he's had an awesome one on paper. But, when you look at the actual reigns he's been given they are shit. Punk has a massive fan base and can actually wrestle but still can't seem to get the WWE's faith or whatever is the issue.

What are your thoughts on this because i like Punk but am getting tired of his meaningless reigns that are frankly making him start to look weak.

 

[Joup7]

CM Punk just doesn't have that intensity in his promos that so many other stars have right now. Also he's undersized. Keep in mind, he probably would not have won MITB if Jeff Hardy hadn't fucked up. So for all we know, the Tag Titles and IC Title were how they expected him to progress this year all along and the Heavyweight Title reign was just thrown together to fix up a title situation post-draft.

 

[johnnygoround360]

Ok, now I'm a Punk fan so I'm going to try and not be biased with this but honestly, Punk's reigns have been booked horribly. Let's have a look:

ECW Championship - He has a 3-4 month reign that was 'good' for his first title and wasnt too bad with defences against John Morrison, Big Daddy V and Elijah Burke before finally loosing it to Chavo.

World Heavyweight Championship - He cash's in money in the bank and defeats an already Batista beat up Edge for the championship. The moment when he won was great, but from there the reign was booked horribly. He has title defences against Batista and JBL and then loses it after the scramble he wasnt even involved in. He has great rematch in a cage against Jericho but then never brings it up again or tries to get 'his' title back.

World Tag Championship - He then randomly get's paired with Kofi and end up winning the titles... Why, no one knows. The reign was shit, didnt have any defences and they end up losing to Miz & Morrison at a fuckin house show. WWE obviously had no idea where they were going with Kofi and Punk.

Intercontinental Championship - He then wins the IC title of Regal after weeks of an IC tournament and 2 title matches to then lose just a month or so later to JBL who he hasnt had any recent fued/dialogue with!!

When you look at Punk's year, he's had an awesome one on paper. But, when you look at the actual reigns he's been given they are shit. Punk has a massive fan base and can actually wrestle but still can't seem to get the WWE's faith or whatever is the issue.

What are your thoughts on this because i like Punk but am getting tired of his meaningless reigns that are frankly making him start to look weak.

That was because everyone thinks he John Cena'd his World Title reign.

 

[shadowlaw85]

cm punk is a damn good wrestler and they shit on him openly by giving him weak title reigns and making him lose to losers that are not even close to his talent.....wwe in my opinion is lacking when it comes to knowing how to push talent and that's all I have to say about that

 

[thewholedamnshow]

I just think its rough time for punk because he’s young ya know? he’s got years ahead of him and he’s a solid talent. WWE wont be letting him go or down no matter what he will always be in the picture in my eyes they should’ve had him win the ecw or ic title a few more times before his whc ic run (dont get me wrong that was a solid win and unexpected by me, i love it, it was a quick change though it only lasted a bit in my eyes i just dont think hes ready for the big leagues yet no matter how much i love him. Give him few years and hes an established main event player for sure

 

[Australian Punk]

I will agree with MDPunk Cm punk's year on paper is phenomenal he won every title there is to win on RAW(except the womens of course) but none of his title reigns lasted more than 3 months (im not including ECW title) and they were as everyone so far has said booked weakly.


All of the championship reigns he had have been like edge's reigns short and pathetic. For a guy with that much talent a 69 day world title reign was just bullshit. he should have at least held it to to the scramble match at unforgiven but he had "concussion" from a punt from randy orton and couldn't compete.

They should have at least let him be in the match and show his will to be champion and lose it in the match. So i think WWE are going in the wrong direction with him and they need to really start pushing him back into the main-event

 

[Electric Wizard]

Yeah, Punk had a tremendous year on paper but in reality it was bad. WWE is totally going in the wrong direction with him and have no idea how to properly use this guy. They really haven't gave him hardly any mic time. He is fabulous on the mic when he's given enough time. His promos in ROH were phenomenal. He only was Intercontinental Champion for forty-nine days, didn't even have any successful title defenses and loses it without any sort of build up to the title match. Sure, he's a Triple Crown Champion and has held all the available titles to him on Raw, but it doesn't mean anything unless it's all booked properly which obviously none of it was. Sad really. Punk is a great wrestler and has all the tools but they're booking him like crap. I'm really disappointed with the booking choices that have been made with Punk.

 

[supergav67]

I kinda like CM.In the ring he looks as knackered as anybody would be wrestling for twenty mins.He looks as excited as anyone would be winning & as pissed off at losing as anyone should be.& has lots of exciting moves,albiet with the feet.If he transfers this excitement to the mic,job complete.
I think Punk comes under the microscope because he,s not a veteran ex champ but a rising star ex champ.With JBL given the IC,(this cant be his big surprise surely) & the Hardys looking towards a seperate WM feud.I think this frees CM up to win MiTB.While H & edge settle into their new titles (ok,OR Show or Orton) CmP waits,case in hand.not something I,D look forward to while holding a world title.
I think WWE WanT to do something big with Cm,He,s one of the few NeW guys to show promise & ,actually acheive something.But I agree,his title reigns seam to be WWE saying "Weve nothing planned for you yet but hold this ECW/World/Tag title FoR NoW," Hopefully after MiTB they will have something & do it right.Course,we ARE talking about creativity here so,,,.

 

[suleman09]

I am also a CM Punk fan, and this is what i think...
his ECW title reign was okay, not amazing but okay!

World Heavyeight Title reign, i think he deserves much more with that title! he was doing good with "overcoming the odds" but yea he lost it to that Scramble match thanks to Legacy (which i love! amazing storyline with them!)

Tag Team titles: that was crap, if they were going to lose it, it should have at the least been ON raw! or a PPV with a proper build up!

IC Title, JBL won simple! and did you not hear the commentary,
"JBL has this match because he went to interim GM Vickie and has been requesting this match for a while now and now he got it"
that's your reason for the match.

CM Punk does deserve more though, lets see what happens in MITB

 

[TwistofRKO]

He has looked like a bad champion. I think the problem falls with Punk not being as well received as most of us think. He gets A LOT of support, but almost everyone I talk to believes he is getting stale. In my opinion, I've been a semi-decent Punk fan since his debut, but I don't believe he can carry a big-time match. He's very solid, but he doesn't tell a story when he's in the ring, and he's really not been as sharp in the ring as he was last summer.

I don't want to come across as a basher, because I don't neccessarily hate him, but I think his character needs some patchwork, or better yet, a heel turn.

 

[Slyfox696]

When you look at Punk's year, he's had an awesome one on paper. But, when you look at the actual reigns he's been given they are shit. Punk has a massive fan base and can actually wrestle but still can't seem to get the WWE's faith or whatever is the issue.

Actually, I think that's why his reigns HAVEN'T gone well. It's not the WWE's fault, it's Punk's. They've given him incredible booking, and he's produced nothing with it. He's not that over with the fans, and his matches have been crap. So, the WWE fools themselves into thinking that Punk can actually carry a decent reign, and then he goes and proves them wrong over and over again.

I think the biggest problem is not the WWE's booking, it's CM Punk's execution of that booking.

What are your thoughts on this because i like Punk but am getting tired of his meaningless reigns that are frankly making him start to look weak.

How does being an Intercontinental Champion and a two time World Champion in only 2 and a half years make someone look weak? That's silly.

 

[Aberle4Life]

Perhaps Punk is not done with the IC title just yet?

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet or not, but this would be the perfect angle to bring this prestige back to the Intercontinental title that so many want.

JBL can come out bragging next week about being the new IC champion and go off on one of his long bragfests. Then CM Punk's music hits and out he comes to confront JBL. Punk announces that he has given up his spot in the Money In The Bank match and challenges JBL to a rematch at WrestleMania for the Intercontinental Championship. Choosing the IC title over a chance to win MITB, a match he won last year, would tell people that Punk believes the IC title is very important.

You could book this match either way, with Punk regaining the gold or JBL retaining. Either way, the title's credibility would be greatly restored by having it defended at WrestleMania and having it fought by two people who really want to win it.

I think it could be gold, Jerry. Gold!

 

[Rated TKE]

Actually, I think that's why his reigns HAVEN'T gone well. It's not the WWE's fault, it's Punk's. They've given him incredible booking, and he's produced nothing with it. He's not that over with the fans, and his matches have been crap. So, the WWE fools themselves into thinking that Punk can actually carry a decent reign, and then he goes and proves them wrong over and over again.

I think the biggest problem is not the WWE's booking, it's CM Punk's execution of that booking.

How does being an Intercontinental Champion and a two time World Champion in only 2 and a half years make someone look weak? That's silly.

by the 2 world titles u mean world and ecw right? the fact with punk is hes more of a PG rating wrestler now, he doesnt cut any promos and honeslty isnt that good. maybe if hes moved to smackdown in the draft more can be done with him with a younger crowd, raw has too much going on and punk basically got punk'd

 

[Queers and Steers]

i think it s a lil bit of both punk and booking. i get more excited about punk everytime he gets a big push and the wholr crowd gets behind like the whole whc championship thing that crowd was bananas and than he got stale because that matches sucked so it was like who cares. after the ic push i thought damn if Orton doesnt win rumble punk will the whole crowd was behind him(it was hs home town) he had new outfit AND EVERYTHING AND I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT PUNK THAN HIS MAtches were weak and he didnt perform as strong as he could so he jst got stale again. so i think its both wwe's booking cand punk still not carrying the matches a lil better

 

[chrisbrown0621]

wwe tried to make cm punk something he is simply not A MAINEVENTER but who knows maybe one day he will be able to carry a main event or even a match at all right now he just dont have what it takes

 

[Blade]

I think he's becoming one of the great wrestling tragedies... Ok, perhaps that's a bit far but this is despicable by WWE.

Last summer it looked like CM Punk was on the brink of the main event. Now he's jobbing to JBL. He's lost all his credibility.
WWE understand how over Punk is, but they just put belts on him when they're bored. He deserves so much more. A few months ago, I thought CM Punk would be a main eventer within the next 3 or 4 years. Now I think it'll never happen, and that makes me so pissed off at WWE.
The exact same thing happened to Kane. They gave him a shock world title win, a few lame midcard title reigns and now he's nothing.... That's exactly what I think is happening to Punk. WWE is just ruining Punk much quicker.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I think he's becoming one of the great wrestling tragedies... Ok, perhaps that's a bit far but this is despicable by WWE.

Last summer it looked like CM Punk was on the brink of the main event. Now he's jobbing to JBL. He's lost all his credibility.
WWE understand how over Punk is, but they just put belts on him when they're bored. He deserves so much more. A few months ago, I thought CM Punk would be a main eventer within the next 3 or 4 years. Now I think it'll never happen, and that makes me so pissed off at WWE.
The exact same thing happened to Kane. They gave him a shock world title win, a few lame midcard title reigns and now he's nothing.... That's exactly what I think is happening to Punk. WWE is just ruining Punk much quicker.

Well, as far as C.M Punk goes, he's been in some sort of title picture for almost a year and half.. straight. In my opinion, that is more than C.M punk deserves. In a little over a year he went from a lower mid card on ecw to a high mid, jobber to the stars on raw. it does not seem he going to drop off, maybe a move to smackdown in the draft?

I'll admit I am not the biggest punk fan, and he comes off as an ass when he cuts a promo, every time he gets on the mic he send off that "im better than you" vibe. I'll admit that he can wrestle, but his matches seem to get pretty stale(and I know that wwe limits him a little bit, as I have seen some of his ROH work).

As far as jobbing to JBL, he should be jobbing to JBL, atleast for the time being, He's an established star, he may be over weight and over the hill, but he is still established, and putting the I.C belt on him bring the ic belt back to somewhat of a main event level.

Punks title run was like 90x longer than Kane's run was, and kane in my opinion deserves atleast one more title run, even if only for a month. and in the end If punk has a similar career to Kane, than it will have to be considered a very successful career.

 

[rowdy ruben]

i think if he wasent so over with the crowd he would have never had all those tittle reigns. its like with jeff they like teasing the fans. u think he is on top as a performer nd gonna have a good run but comes up short everytime

 

[ThePeoplesChampion]

I've been saying this for awhile now.....its like they demoted the man.....but if everyone remembered orton did kinda the same won the world title real early in his career lost it bout a month later and it took him awhile to get a championship....so i see punk going through the same thing albeit i think losing the ic title was a lil too much.....but punk will come to main event form.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

They've given him incredible booking, and he's produced nothing with it. He's not that over with the fans, and his matches have been crap.

Ok, not over with the fans.... Watch next time he comes out how the crowd reacts. He is definatley over. The IWC is different to the mainstream fans, maybe there is not many Punk lovers on this site but you cannot deny he has a big fan base. Shit match's.... ok then how does JBL go in the ring, yeah he's gonna give us better matches than Punk.

I think the biggest problem is not the WWE's booking, it's CM Punk's execution of that booking.

How can it be CM's fault when he doesnt get a chance to execute.. well anything! He's never given the chance to defend the title and retain, never get's to cut promos and how was he supposed to pull off a meaningful tag reign with someone he's randomly paired with. Makes no sense to me.

How does being an Intercontinental Champion and a two time World Champion in only 2 and a half years make someone look weak? That's silly.

It looks weak when they win and then lose it straight away and never have meaningful title reigns. A bit like why everyone rags on Edge's title reigns coz they never last.

 

[dcrkool83]

The whole CM Punk title Reigns reminds me of how WWE booked Mysterio with his 1st Title Riegn and how he was jobbing to everybody making him a week champion

 

[Slyfox696]

Ok, not over with the fans.... Watch next time he comes out how the crowd reacts. He is definatley over. The IWC is different to the mainstream fans, maybe there is not many Punk lovers on this site but you cannot deny he has a big fan base.

I can't? Sure I can. I watch the shows, and very few people stand up and go nuts when he comes to the ring. That noise you hear is from his music.

Seriously, just actually pay attention sometime. You'll see what I mean.

Shit match's.... ok then how does JBL go in the ring, yeah he's gonna give us better matches than Punk.

Are you really going to try and argue that Punk is a bigger commodity right now in the WWE than JBL? Seriously?

Because I will tear you to shreds if that is your position.

How can it be CM's fault when he doesnt get a chance to execute.. well anything! He's never given the chance to defend the title and retain, never get's to cut promos and how was he supposed to pull off a meaningful tag reign with someone he's randomly paired with. Makes no sense to me.

Yes yes, it's always the fault of the booking, never the fault of the wrestler.

That's such horseshit. Booking is what you make of it, and CM Punk has been given every opportunity to be over with fans since he debuted. From undefeated streaks, tagging with DX, numerous World Titles, MITB...Punk couldn't have asked for a better start to his WWE career.

It looks weak when they win and then lose it straight away and never have meaningful title reigns. A bit like why everyone rags on Edge's title reigns coz they never last.

Except, like I said, Punk doesn't have meaningful reigns because HE doesn't make them meaningful. We've already seen twice he is a poor draw as World Champion, and he's never had any good matches.

That's a Punk problem, not a WWE problem.

 

[Queers and Steers]

i agree with sly on this one it isn't asll on booking punk hasn't handeled what they did give him well, why give him more/ he will be ready one day, but just not yet. he will be the face of the next generation though

 

[JuviJuiceIsLoose]

I think it definitely looks like he's being screwed over. I wouldn't worry too much as a C.M. Punk fan because he's gonna be around a long time, and he's gonna have plenty title reigns. He's definitely gonna be a multiple time champion in the WWE.

So if it's 2-3 years from now and he's still have month long title reigns with on 1 or 2 defenses then I would get worried.

For now, he'll be fine.

 

[RawIsRamsey]

Punk doesn't need a title to get over, simple as that. He's already a top 5 babyface for the company and he's a role model for the new PG Kids Initiative. They are using Punk to get lesser acts over, yet have protected him in the way his reigns have ended (schmozz with the World Title, not losing the Tag belts on TV, losing to a recent main eventer in JBL). So you can hardly call Punk's historic year anything short of awesome. He's the ONLY person in history to win MitB, the World Title, Tag Team titles, and IC title within a year, PLUS he won a Slammy (yeah yeah, big deal, but still).

Punk is the future of the company. He's still quite young. His wrestling ability is top notch as well as his promo ability (he's one of the few that sounds like it's HIS words coming out of his mouth, not a writer's words). Punk simply doesn't need a belt to stay over.