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What would happen if Punk failed the wellness program?

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As we all know Punk is straight edged so this is highly unlikely but lets say it does. What happens?

Imo, He would be immediately fired. It would hurt is image and the reason why he would be fired is it would ruin his gimmick, Luke Gallows and Serena were fired for drinking in public. But what's your opinions?
 
Since his the WWE Champion and on a major push, I'd say they would have him lose the belt on an episode of RAW and get "Injured" but really suspended. When he comes back, he would challenge for the title and lose. He would then be a jobber to people like John Cena, Randy Orton, Sheamus and Chris Jericho.
 
Imo, He would be immediately fired.

Well, no. Let's not confuse kayfabe with reality. As a WWE performer, Punk would be entitled to the same number of chances as everyone else. True, failing the test would blow his on-air character out of the water, given that his whole persona revolves around being straight edge. The program with Chris Jericho that was interrupted points out that Punk's entire act is dependent on his being "clean." Plainly, that program isn't going to end with Punk being proven a hopeless alcoholic, now is it?

In real life, Phil Brooks could have already flunked drug tests, for all we know. I believe there are just a few performers who either have their test results buried.....or aren't tested at all because their presence is so vital that the company can't afford to lose them. Obviously, John Cena is one. They simply can't chance losing him to something as "trivial" as a failed drug test. (At the same time, he's probably smart enough to not do drugs, knowing that a failed test could toss him off the gravy train).

Then, how about Mark Calaway? Can you imagine WWE testing him? Can you imagine them firing him if he failed three times? I sure can't.

You might counter this by tossing Randy Orton at me. Certainly, it seems he's one of the performers the company can't spare. Yet, don't you have the notion in recent months that the company might be looking for a way to get rid of Randy? Or, at least to make him fall in line by suspending him down to his last warning? I had believed him to be unexpendable; now, I'm not so sure.

Amidst all these questions, there's C.M. Punk. I think he's almost in the class of Cena and Undertaker as guys WWE can't afford to lose...... and if the behavior of their employees is something WWE can't control, they can at least cover up failed drug tests.

It may have already happened with Punk......who really knows? No, I'm not saying I have inside knowledge that he's flunked a test; I'm saying we would probably never know if he did.

To paraphrase the book "Animal Farm": All wrestlers are equal......but some wrestlers are more equal than others.
 
ok people, please read what i put carefully, CM Punk is a character and Phil Brooks is the man, neither of them drink or take drugs, straight-edge isn't a persona its Phil Brooks lifestyle.......he won't ever fail a wellness test, if he, would ever be asked to drop the title, i think he would drop a "pipe bomb" and say how pi**ed he would be.........and he would shoot at Phil Brooks not CM Punk like he did last year.......
 
Heel turn...? Easily done? Though given the tatoos and whatnot it makes it seem unlikely that it would be for reasons of drink or drugs (though i'm pretty sure alcohol is ok)... For steroids and stuff... Well again, he's not that beefy, he woudnt need them for what he does.

The injury idea sounds decent, they certainly wouldnt fire him anyway. Though the info would really hurt his rep among the smart fans, i think the straight edge and sticking to his guns is what alot of guys like about punk and would be pretty pissed if he continued to use a real life gimmick-turned lie.
 
Everyone's always so sure that certain wrestlers get preferential treatment. John Cena takes steroids for breakfast, lunch and dinner - Vince just waves his magic wand and makes it disappear whenever he fails a piss test. Sheamus has masking agents on his cereal in place of milk - Stephanie just provides clean urine samples for him when the time comes.

CM Punk? You mean the guy who has "straightedge" tattooed across his stomach, "drug free" tattooed across his knuckles? The dude who's never been photographed with so much as a beer or a cigarette in his hand, or had a story told about him where he's anything but sober? The man who has the physique of me after a few push-ups and a week laying off the Twixes? Well, we only have his word that he's straightedge! He probably sleeps in a pile of cocaine and is so juiced up that he doesn't know left from right!

Bollocks! I would have thought Rey Mysterio and Randy Orton getting promptly dispatched after failing their respective tests might kill off this half-baked conspiracy theory bullshit. I thought people would stop spouting conjecture and might actually provide some evidence beyond "John Cena has big muscles, therefore steroids." But no, it's got worse. "This guy who's the least likely to have ever taken an illegal substance? Definitely being protected! Definitely." Pffft.

What would happen if CM Punk failed the wellness program? Let me shine up my reading glasses and see if I can't find that particular paragraph:

In the event of an initial positive test for substances prohibited by this Policy other than marijuana and alcohol, the WWE Talent shall be suspended for thirty (30) days, fined an amount equal to thirty (30) days' pay deducted from the WWE Talent's downside guarantee on a weekly basis and WWE will publicly disclose the WWE Talent's name and duration of the suspension and indicating a first violation the Policy.

There you go. In fact, here's some bedtime reading:

http://corporate.wwe.com/company/abuse_policy.jsp#13

After that, we'll see if we can tackle rocket science and brain surgery. I imagine you'll find it similarly impenetrable.
 
Well, no. Let's not confuse kayfabe with reality. As a WWE performer, Punk would be entitled to the same number of chances as everyone else. True, failing the test would blow his on-air character out of the water, given that his whole persona revolves around being straight edge. The program with Chris Jericho that was interrupted points out that Punk's entire act is dependent on his being "clean." Plainly, that program isn't going to end with Punk being proven a hopeless alcoholic, now is it?

You'd think, or at least hope, that WWE had those boxes ticked before pushing him to the status he is now. Surely the big-wigs learned their lesson when they put their faith in Jeff Hardy as the top face; they wouldn't want to risk embarrassing themselves like that again.

In real life, Phil Brooks could have already flunked drug tests, for all we know. I believe there are just a few performers who either have their test results buried.....or aren't tested at all because their presence is so vital that the company can't afford to lose them. Obviously, John Cena is one. They simply can't chance losing him to something as "trivial" as a failed drug test. (At the same time, he's probably smart enough to not do drugs, knowing that a failed test could toss him off the gravy train).

Don't be so cynical. John Cena wouldn't be the poster boy if he wasn't so squeaky clean. Then again, with Cena's "infidelities" emerging this could change, and superstars have been fired for lesser crimes in the past.

Then, how about Mark Calaway? Can you imagine WWE testing him? Can you imagine them firing him if he failed three times? I sure can't.

This may be a case of Mark Calaway getting 3,000 strikes instead of just three. Can you imagine if every time the Undertaker was dead or fired it was actually a quiet suspension swept under the rug?

But WWE are incredibly transparent about their wellness policy and its violations, more so now than ever. They simply don't cover up the transgressions of major superstars.

For example, look at what's happened recently with Randy Orton.

You might counter this by tossing Randy Orton at me.

Oh.

Certainly, it seems he's one of the performers the company can't spare. Yet, don't you have the notion in recent months that the company might be looking for a way to get rid of Randy? Or, at least to make him fall in line by suspending him down to his last warning? I had believed him to be unexpendable; now, I'm not so sure.

Same goes for RVD, Edge, Mysterio, and Hardy; all massive money-rakers for the company in terms of merchandise sales, yet weren't let off the hook, and had to accept the same punishment as lesser superstars like Chavo and Evan Bourne. Nevertheless, just because they're not on telly for a month doesn't mean that their products will stop shifting; the Undertaker is one of the biggest names when you look at t-shirt sales, which is good going for someone who is only visible for six weeks a year.

Amidst all these questions, there's C.M. Punk. I think he's almost in the class of Cena and Undertaker as guys WWE can't afford to lose...... and if the behavior of their employees is something WWE can't control, they can at least cover up failed drug tests.

It may have already happened with Punk......who really knows? No, I'm not saying I have inside knowledge that he's flunked a test; I'm saying we would probably never know if he did.

I think overall, it's probably how chummy you are with Vince that determines what life lines you're given when you land in hot water - if you impress him enough for him to put his personal faith and trust in you, you've probably got a safety net underneath you. I doubt CM Punk would be fired if he violated the wellness policy, he'd probably be let off with a year of having to job to other stars.
 
dont think theres a any chance of that happening to punk but if it did they would

a. fire him
b. suspend him and keep it quiet and play it off as a injury

if he failed the drug test a third time depends how big he is at the time if this happened to cena i bet ya even after 3 strikes they wouldnt fire him
 
I'm pretty sure if Cena failed three times for something other than weed or alcohol, he would be fired. This isn't a decision that comes down to VKM solely, and anyone who thinks so clearly does not understand the the entire financial well-being of WWE isn't placed just on Vince. A contracted policy must be followed. Sure, they can attempt to hide things and the like, but with media the way it is these days, it's not likely they'd succeed at hiding Cena as a repeat drug abuser. We'd at least hear rumors and the like. I can't stand the character John Cena any more than most of the rest of you, but let's not get carried away with conspiracy ideas just because we can't stand what WWE does with him.
 
Just because he has the straight edge image doesnt mean u should treat him different then anyone else. If he was to fail once and be fired then wwe would have a lawsuit they cant win on their hands. This is something I believe will never happen He has gone his entire life without a drug or a drink I dont know why it would start now. But for argument sake if this was to happen then I know WWE would turn it into a storyline. Make the straight edge guy an on screen drunk or what have you. Or do some rehab angle watching Punk fight his demons and get back to the top with a huge pay off. Either way there is no way WWE would/could ignore it. If anything if this happened wwe would have struck gold story wise. Being straight edge is just a small gimmick (though true) in punks character. It is not the reason Punk ever got over with the crowd. He has been a straight edge heel as well as a straight edge face so that obviously has little to do with his success. It is more of something Punk himself is proud of. If he was to ever fall of the wagon and for whatever reason take something or do something hes never done in his life should not make him lose his entire career when people like Orton have failed twice already. Suspension sure. Fired? NO F'n way
 
It is actually quite easy to fail a drug test by accident. False positives happen all the time...

Poppy seeds, cough medicine, mouthwash and various weight gainers can easily give a false positive of Opiates, PCP, alcohol or steroids. It happens all the time.

But then again, its also easy to abuse all those things to get those desired effects.

So hopefully CM punk watches what he puts in his mouth.
 
Ease up on the hate guys, it's a theoretical question.

To answer the question, In my eyes one of two things would likely happen...

1. They would use this real life negative and use it as a positive by turning Punk heel and having him be this drinker and drug user. Much like they did with Edge when he stole Matt Hardy's girlfriend (Lita) they went and used it on t.v. and it made for gold.

2. He could be fired right away. CM Punk failing the test is different from somone else because of his persona. They would probably test him a billion times to make sure it's true, but if he failed, he would probably be let go for a while and for the better. He would need some time to think about it.
 
Simple answer to a simple question. If he failed a Wellness test, he would lose the title ASAP, and would be suspended for 30 days. Upon his return, he would immediately be put back into the main event scene, and in the not too distant future, would reclaim his WWE Championship. There would be no additional discipline, no storyline modifications, no de-pushing. But he would face the exact same penalties as this before him who failed tests. Just ask Mysterio or Orton.
 
If Punk failed, it would ruin his career. He has built a legacy on being straight edge. He would be seen as a phony if he cant pass a drug test.
 
Ease up on the hate guys, it's a theoretical question.

Oh, I've no problem with Dr. Awesome's hypothetical question. It might not exactly be the most profound thought that anybody's ever come out with, but it's interesting enough to muse on. People going, "How do we know Punk doesn't already take drugs? Surely the WWE would just cover it up to protect their golden boy, wouldn't they!?" - that's a bit rich for me.
 
First off CM punk's straight edge life is like that of the bible, You only know what you have heard. You have no proof. You can't prove that CM Punk truly lives that life style. CM punk can say whatever he wants to get the fans to follow him, I promise he saying he is clean does not get more fans. He has to come out and say he is a virgin religious and God tell him how to win matches....Sure why not rip off Tim Tebow. They are both full of shit.

CM Punk is full of shit until I see some Ice cream bars.
 
Theoretical question eh? Well, it would be his choice if that would be a storyline, but I'm thinking a termination would happen shortly. If I recall, his straight edge buddy was caught in the club partying, and was let go shortly. I would think Punk would ask for his release because it would be embarrassing for him to continue to work.

I do believe they need to stop making these announcements on WWE.com though. I know this is off topic, but I sure as hell would a get a good lawyer if a major company announced my termination on it's website.

Overall though, if he did fail. I would order a second check or look-up his records. If he is taking some type of medication for an injury, I'm sure as hell not going to give him a strike against his name.
 
does the OP mean job wise or persona wise? I think persona wise he'd have to turn mega heel or go down the ranks badly and permanently. job wise if they could jump start his character after the fall out they'd keep him. I dont think one failure constitutes an auto termination. It might be three. And even if thats mandated in contract I think you people think that public disclosure is a integral part of the penalty. The suspension or firing is.. Who is informed of it is moot and therefore not needed in a disciplinary stand point. Vince isnt a wrestler so cant be tested and the other owners of WWE help bolster up enforcement. RVD and Jeff Hardy and Mysterio are the best examples of wrestleres not being able to get away with things even when they make money. If it was 1995 in the WWF maybe the latter two would had just been cussed out by Vince at Titan Towers but its not all up to him and that should also be a reason to not give him full credit for the wellness policy and its benefits. Cena is probably not a junkie anyway but he'd get in trouble because of preassure from other wrestlers..
 
I think storyline wise it would be great he could easily develop into a heel like some other posters have mentioned or they could go the Jeff hardy way in TNA and have him earn forgiveness to the WWE universe and wrestlers.

I don't think he would be fired just suspended 30 days, even if his whole persona is around being a straightedge he wouldn't be immediately terminated.
 
In real life, Phil Brooks could have already flunked drug tests, for all we know. I believe there are just a few performers who either have their test results buried.....or aren't tested at all because their presence is so vital that the company can't afford to lose them. Obviously, John Cena is one. They simply can't chance losing him to something as "trivial" as a failed drug test. (At the same time, he's probably smart enough to not do drugs, knowing that a failed test could toss him off the gravy train).

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You might counter this by tossing Randy Orton at me. Certainly, it seems he's one of the performers the company can't spare. Yet, don't you have the notion in recent months that the company might be looking for a way to get rid of Randy? Or, at least to make him fall in line by suspending him down to his last warning? I had believed him to be unexpendable; now, I'm not so sure.

Not just Randy Orton. RVD, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, etc, etc. Every person in the WWE that's failed a test has been suspended for it. Where do people get this cockamamie idea that WWE covers up positive tests, or don't test certain people? Did you ever stop and think that the people who seem untouchable were allowed to reach that status because they're so reliable? Yes, you even said it yourself - Cena is smart enough to not do something that would result in a positive test. Yet you still believe in the conspiracy theory. Why?

You don't think there's a reason they're looking for a way to get rid of Randy, as you put it? It's because he's unreliable. Trust me, the WWE knows who might do drugs and who won't. Similarly, they choose who gets to the level of Cena as guys who they can't afford to have test positive - and only guys who aren't going to test positive get there. If Cena was at risk of failing a test, it wouldn't be where he is. And if Randy Orton wasn't at risk of failing a test, he'd be where Cena is.

If you're running a company, who do you give raises? Who do you give promotions and added responsibility? Who do you trust in situations where you need somebody to make the company look good? It's the people who don't screw up. The people who show up on time, the people who show up every day, the people who work their asses off for your company. Not the people who show up late, screw around with their coworkers, and make you look bad in public. And who do you think is more likely to fail a drug test? It's the latter. The same thing happens in the WWE - they put their faith in the guys that aren't going to do something stupid. That way they don't have to hide anything.

You only have his word he is straight edge. Just because he says he is straight edge doesn't mean he actually is. So your question is if he failed what would WWE do. If he failed a test I think WWE would try and keep it hush hush and play off the suspension as an injury, since the straight edge thing is such a big part of him.
First off CM punk's straight edge life is like that of the bible, You only know what you have heard. You have no proof. You can't prove that CM Punk truly lives that life style. CM punk can say whatever he wants to get the fans to follow him, I promise he saying he is clean does not get more fans. He has to come out and say he is a virgin religious and God tell him how to win matches....Sure why not rip off Tim Tebow. They are both full of shit.

CM Punk is full of shit until I see some Ice cream bars.

We need a Wellness Policy for these fools. In the social media age, if CM Punk wasn't straight edge, we would've known about it long before he got to the WWE.

Oh, I've no problem with Dr. Awesome's hypothetical question. It might not exactly be the most profound thought that anybody's ever come out with, but it's interesting enough to muse on. People going, "How do we know Punk doesn't already take drugs? Surely the WWE would just cover it up to protect their golden boy, wouldn't they!?" - that's a bit rich for me.

Hilarious in its ridiculousness, isn't it? Prime example of not thinking before you click Submit Reply. If you actually stop and think about it for more than 5 seconds, you realize it's just stupid. Not only does it defy all logic as we both pointed out, but it would open them up to - among other things - a Congressional investigation that would lead to penalties up to and including the company being shut down.

But hey, some people think we've never landed on the moon either.

Theoretical question eh? Well, it would be his choice if that would be a storyline, but I'm thinking a termination would happen shortly. If I recall, his straight edge buddy was caught in the club partying, and was let go shortly. I would think Punk would ask for his release because it would be embarrassing for him to continue to work.

I do believe they need to stop making these announcements on WWE.com though. I know this is off topic, but I sure as hell would a get a good lawyer if a major company announced my termination on it's website.

It's ironic that you suggest something that would open up the company for a massive lawsuit, and then in the next paragraph suggest a lawsuit that would have no basis.

On the first one, a first positive test calls for a 30 day suspension - that's not optional. As much as they cannot do less than that, they also cannot do more than that. The wrestler in question(in this case, Punk) would sue them, win, and be back in the company shortly.

On the second one, go ahead and get yourself a good lawyer. The first thing they'll do is look at the contract you signed with the company and show you were it says, per the terms of its Wellness Policy, all failed tests - including terminations - will be announced publicly.

What if VKM failed the drug test 3 times??

The Wellness Policy applies to talent, not executives.

To answer the OP, first of all that's like asking what would happen if Sheamus got pregnant. CM Punk is not going to fail a test anytime soon. But if he did, Uncle Sam covered it pretty well and it's worth repeating:

http://corporate.wwe.com/company/abuse_policy.jsp#13

In the event of an initial positive test for substances prohibited by this Policy other than marijuana and alcohol, the WWE Talent shall be suspended for thirty (30) days, fined an amount equal to thirty (30) days' pay deducted from the WWE Talent's downside guarantee on a weekly basis and WWE will publicly disclose the WWE Talent's name and duration of the suspension and indicating a first violation the Policy.
 
He would be suspended and while it might hurt his chances of ever getting as close to being the face of the company as he is now I think WWE would make an exception and allow the guy to explain himself in some capacity. All it takes is one prescription to go missing, even the supposed "voice of the voiceless" can lose a prescription.
 
Some might laugh at me for saying this, espacially after Orton, Mysterio & Jericho were all suspended and punished for their actions, but i'd say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!

I think CM Punk has reached that "Untouchable Cena" area. With alot of old dirt coming out about Cena via Ken Doane and his divorce, while I think how it has come to be public is stupid, I believe most of it. I think guys like Cena have ALOT of dirt the WWE doesn't let get out and doesn't really punish Cena or people on his level for. Before recently I would have said Cena was the only one at this time with these "special circumstances" but I think Punk is the only guy to reach that level currently.

CM Punk sells tickets, seats, merch, YOU NAME IT! He is too valuable to WWE right now and Punk has noted several times in the past that he doesn't intend on being around long, so I think WWE will do everything in their power to capitalize on him NOW!!
 
From a professional standpoint, others have pretty much already pointed it out. Punk would be suspended, would lose the WWE Championship and would come back to resume his career. I don't think Punk would disappear from the main event scene because he's too valuable. He's arguably the most overall popular guy on the roster, he generates continuous interest among WWE fans, his merchendise makes a lot of money for the company, his segments usually draw well and he's just too useful to waste. I don't believe he'd be champion again for a long while, but he wouldn't disappear from the picture altogether. I know there are all these rumors, some seemingly started by fans & some by dirtsheets, that WWE isn't all that sure about Punk as WWE Champion but that smells a lot like bullshit when you take into account that Punk has been champ for just slightly more than 7 months now. If Vince wasn't happy with Punk's performance, he wouldn't be in the middle of the longest World Championship in WWE since 2006.

From a personal standpoint, it'd be a blow for Punk because he's been so vocal about his Straight Edge beliefs and lifestyle. Some fans would be turned off by Punk and he'd certainly be shunned by the SE community. In the grand scheme of things, however, I don't think most fans would truly give a shit. Even if Punk did fail a drug test, it wouldn't take away from his ability as a pro wrestler and as a compelling character.
 
If you think CM Punk being straight edge is just a part of his gimmick, you are dead wrong!! He has been straight edge since he was 17. If he actually failed the wellness program it would most likely be for some type of steroid. He would only get suspended.
 

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