WCWF's 2016

[A11oftheLights]

So after catching up on everything. I have some points to be made.

Religion could and should be this wonderful thing that improves society. This has not happened, it has become a way to control the masses and even to this day still has such a strong hold on society despite the substantial increase in people moving away from the church.

I went to a religious high school and am baptised. I became really disenfranchised with religion when my religious teacher said that belief in something that cant be proven is faith. Which is essentially what religion is built upon, faith in higher power.

For people to say keep someone in your prayers so that god may heal them seems stupid to me. Why would god heal someone IF he was the one that gave them said illness or impairment. Dont give me the crap that its to challenge them because if god loved them he would make their life easier not harder.

Finally if God did make us in his own image like people believe, why would I worship him? Human beings are flawed. We make mistakes, hurt each other, are greedy and easily corrupted. What about that should inspire me?

As has been said, religion is fine but dont act like God is a hard fact, as much as its rather ignorant for us to sit here and say god doesnt exist its just as ignorant to say god is everything when he is a human creation

 

[A11oftheLights]

First of all, not MY God. And how does it prove so? Describe whatever what you want to say.

Because that is a hindu temple, that would mean the god you worship is not THE GOD and the hindu gods are the one to be worshipped

 

[ShinChan]

Because that is a hindu temple, that would mean the god you worship is not THE GOD and the hindu gods are the one to be worshipped

God is God. Don't believe in one being a Hindu God and one being a Muslim and what not. God is God. Regardless of the various names. Allah, Waheguru, Ishwar etc it's all about God. Also, You don't need to worship Gods. You need to love them.

 

[A11oftheLights]

Actually thats not how it works at all. God is the same god in christianity, islam and judaism. The greek gods, egyptian gods, hindu gods and so on are all different.

 

[ShinChan]

So after catching up on everything. I have some points to be made.

Religion could and should be this wonderful thing that improves society. This has not happened, it has become a way to control the masses and even to this day still has such a strong hold on society despite the substantial increase in people moving away from the church.

I went to a religious high school and am baptised. I became really disenfranchised with religion when my religious teacher said that belief in something that cant be proven is faith. Which is essentially what religion is built upon, faith in higher power.

For people to say keep someone in your prayers so that god may heal them seems stupid to me. Why would god heal someone IF he was the one that gave them said illness or impairment. Dont give me the crap that its to challenge them because if god loved them he would make their life easier not harder.

Finally if God did make us in his own image like people believe, why would I worship him? Human beings are flawed. We make mistakes, hurt each other, are greedy and easily corrupted. What about that should inspire me?

As has been said, religion is fine but dont act like God is a hard fact, as much as its rather ignorant for us to sit here and say god doesnt exist its just as ignorant to say god is everything when he is a human creation

I agree that religion doesn't do what it's supposed to. Rather it does the opposite. It divides people and has led to numerous riots in my country as well where there are people from almost every religion. This has happened because People are easily made to believe something that they shouldn't.

About prayers. What i believe is that a good soul should be given blessings. Soul, not body because body is temporary but soul is permanent. If more and more people pray for a good soul, that showcases that they respect him/her.

About diseases and problems. Problems need to be in our life. Just like there are heros and villains. Problems help us to improve ourselves in a way. Also, the no. of problems you face in this birth is directly proportional to no. of bad deeds by you in your previous birth.

No need to worship God. What most people do is get afraid of God. Nopes, God is lovable.

And again God can't be created by humans. God created everything.

 

[ShinChan]

Actually thats not how it works at all. God is the same god in christianity, islam and judaism. The greek gods, egyptian gods, hindu gods and so on are all different.

Different as in? Those are various forms. There's only one Almighty. One God.

 

[Fillet Club]

About diseases and problems. Problems need to be in our life. Just like there are heros and villains. Problems help us to improve ourselves in a way. Also, the no. of problems you face in this birth is directly proportional to no. of bad deeds by you in your previous birth.

Okay I'm going to bite again (I can't believe I'm about to but oh well).

So with this logic, you're saying children that die at a very early age from cancer have done so because they sinned in a past life? A God that would allow any child to die from cancer isn't a God I want to be associated with.

 

[ShinChan]

That's your prerogative to be associated with God or not.

Also, it's my last post in this thread. That's it.

 

[Fillet Club]

That's your prerogative to be associated with God or not.

Also, it's my last post in this thread. That's it.

Is that because you can't justify child cancer?

 

[ShinChan]

Nopes. I already answered it. Deeds of previous birth have straight effects on the next birth.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

That's your prerogative to be associated with God or not.

Also, it's my last post in this thread. That's it.

Probably for the best. You've done a nice job defending your position without things getting out of hand. I commend you for taking this tact and calling it a day.

Nopes. I already answered it. Deeds of previous birth have straight effects on the next birth.

15 minutes.

 

[ShinChan]

Probably for the best. You've done a nice job defending your position without things getting out of hand. I commend you for taking this tact and calling it a day.



15 minutes.

Couldn't control myself. Also, I'm too frustrated now. So, sorry everyone. And this will indeed be my last post. No matter what happens.

 

[ScreaminNormanSmiley]

Probably for the best. You've done a nice job defending your position without things getting out of hand. I commend you for taking this tact and calling it a day.



15 minutes.

So he IS a liar. If the people defending God being real this thread are proven liars, how can I know they are not lying about that? This thread has single handedly ruined my faith.

 

[therockiswwf]

Patience is good.

Well, there's a temple nearby my state. Where fire continues endlessly. Scientists have researched and hot nothing. Some hundred years ago, a stream of water was passed through it and fire still continued. It's Jwalamukhi Temple. Jwala is a hindi word meaning fire. I have visited it dozen times and have actually touched it. That's it. There's no answer by science.

Pretty sure my last paragraph can disprove that fire being powered by nothing. So you can just skip to that.

Fire can last for a long ass time. There is a fire that started in 1962 (Centralia Mine Fire) and should burn for over 250 years. There is no way to put it out currently.

The fire you are talking about has a source that keeps it going. This is why water could not extinguish it. Fire cannot be powered by nothing. The source could probably be figured out very easily (thought to be natural gas) but it is probably not in the best interest of the temple to figure out what is really causing it. The fire is basically a trick candle. Put enough water on it though (like a ton) and it should go out.

Also, don't touch fire. But hey since you did, why are you currently not on continuous fire? Could it be that the fire that touched you lost its source of fuel once it was on your skin? Because if that fire is continuous with no fuel, then you should never be able to put that fire out. Test it out. Set something on fire with it then try to put that thing out. It should go out. That would easily disprove it being supernatural. So you are not an intentional liar. You just didn't really think that one through.

 

[ヒュー　G.　レックション]

God does exist. Also, you're always welcome to visit that temple. You can touch the fire yourself and you'll feel something divine.

Honestly, I've never heard of this place. But your argument is essentially Bill O'Reilly's "Tide goes in, tide goes out YOU can't explain that!" The "God of the gaps" argument I believe it's called.