WCWF's 2016

Patience is good.

Well, there's a temple nearby my state. Where fire continues endlessly. Scientists have researched and hot nothing. Some hundred years ago, a stream of water was passed through it and fire still continued. It's Jwalamukhi Temple. Jwala is a hindi word meaning fire. I have visited it dozen times and have actually touched it. That's it. There's no answer by science.

There's having patience and then there's having someone purposefully stall. So is this your example of God trumping science?

Just because science hasn't figured out how something works doesn't mean it should automatically default to being listed as 'god's will'.
 
There's having patience and then there's having someone purposefully stall. So is this your example of God trumping science?

Just because science hasn't figured out how something works doesn't mean it should automatically default to being listed as 'god's will'.
Science has already tried and failed. That's different from "figuring it out" yet. And it ain't automatically default to God's will. Jwala Devi is a Goddess. BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE.
 
Science has already tried and failed. That's different from "figuring it out" yet. And it ain't automatically default to God's will. Jwala Devi is a Goddess. BUT CONTINUE TO IGNORE.

Ever heard of sleeping volcanoes or natural gasses? Assuming that they'll never discover the cause isn't a good mindset to have.

Don't get wound up just because some of us disagree with you.
 
Patience is good.

Well, there's a temple nearby my state. Where fire continues endlessly. Scientists have researched and hot nothing. Some hundred years ago, a stream of water was passed through it and fire still continued. It's Jwalamukhi Temple. Jwala is a hindi word meaning fire. I have visited it dozen times and have actually touched it. That's it. There's no answer by science.

Wow! Sorry for doubting you. I guess God exists after all.
 
I'm sorry but I cannot logically believe that someone 'up there' is willing events on this planet. IF we discover life on other planets (which I personally believe is only a matter of time), did your God also create them? Or were they created by another? I'm curious.
 
Ever heard of sleeping volcanoes or natural gasses? Assuming that they'll never discover the cause isn't a good mindset to have.

Don't get wound up just because some of us disagree with you.
I ain't wound up. If you think so, then you're just misunderstanding me. If you don't want to believe then that's your prerogative.
 
ヒュー G. レックション;5670181 said:
Wow! Sorry for doubting you. I guess God exists after all.
God does exist. Also, you're always welcome to visit that temple. You can touch the fire yourself and you'll feel something divine.
 
I'm sorry but I cannot logically believe that someone 'up there' is willing events on this planet. IF we discover life on other planets (which I personally believe is only a matter of time), did your God also create them? Or were they created by another? I'm curious.
Logically believe? I can counter but there's no need. Continue Ignoring what's existent. God created everything.
 
Everyone would've got the proof if it was so damn easy. It's not easy. It's quite hard. You just need to dig deeper and deeper. But for that, trust is needed, not ignorance.

Interesting use of the word.

For the record I don't have an issue with people choosing to believe in a particular faith (except for Scientology... I mean... come on), what I do have an issue with is people like yourself speaking as though is is hard fact that there is something else with anything substantial to back up such a claim.

I choose to believe in science and what I can see with my own eyes, as do others here it would seem, yet you speak of God as a hard fact with absolutely zero proof to back up that claim and then have the audacity to call me ignorant.

If I had hard fucking evidence to the contrary I would hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. But no, I'm 'ignorant'.
 
Interesting use of the word.

For the record I don't have an issue with people choosing to believe in a particular faith (except for Scientology... I mean... come on), what I do have an issue with is people like yourself speaking as though is is hard fact that there is something else with anything substantial to back up such a claim.

I choose to believe in science and what I can see with my own eyes, as do others here it would seem, yet you speak of God as a hard fact with absolutely zero proof to back up that claim and then have the audacity to call me ignorant.

If I had hard fucking evidence to the contrary I would hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. But no, I'm 'ignorant'.
You're ignorant. Not because I have no evidence. Because I do. Earth is full of evidences. You just need to notice them. I have myself had multiple experiences regarding God which fails Science. I already gave you an example but you didn't accept it. I guess that when you yourself visit that temple, you may get it. If I gave one evidence already, you didn't accept it. That's ignorance. Read Bhagwat Geeta. It's clearly written there that it's all the creation of God. But no there's still zero proof on my side.

There are plenty cases where doctors can't do anything but patient still survives. Miracle. And it's not Science. There's a saying in hindi : DUA is needed more than DAVA. Aka, blessing is needed more than Medicine. I have plenty of evidences but there's no use if You don't wana believe.
 
Shin just stop.

You won't change their mind and they won't change yours. Y'all are just going around in circles.
 
You're ignorant. Not because I have no evidence. Because I do. Earth is full of evidences. You just need to notice them. I have myself had multiple experiences regarding God which fails Science. I already gave you an example but you didn't accept it. I guess that when you yourself visit that temple, you may get it. If I gave one evidence already, you didn't accept it. That's ignorance. Read Bhagwat Geeta. It's clearly written there that it's all the creation of God. But no there's still zero proof on my side.

There are plenty cases where doctors can't do anything but patient still survives. Miracle. And it's not Science. There's a saying in hindi : DUA is needed more than DAVA. Aka, blessing is needed more than Medicine. I have plenty of evidences but there's no use if You don't wana believe.

Go on then.
 
Proof please.
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Lee Strobel (wiki page)

Strobel was an avowed atheist who decided to study the truth of Christ after his wife's conversion to Christianity. He went in from a journalists perspective thinking there couldn't be any factual proof. Instead what he found led to his own conversion and he's been a devout Christian ever since. He also wrote The Case for Faith.
 
Continue questioning and judging just because you can. But no God is a dictator, right? Also, he's not MY God. He's the God. Yours as well. Your opinion doesn't change the facts.

He is your god. Allah wouldn't be your god. The 50000 Greek gods wouldn't be your god. Your view shapes your god.

Wow. What did I say wrong here? I just said that there's no problem in trying. But continue making a mountain out of a molehill just because you CAN.

You said science cannot answer something then provided something science is currently trying to answer (and will be able to answer).

What if I tell you that fire can continue endlessly and won't be put out even if a stream of water is run through it?

Then you would be a liar. There are certain types of fire than can enlarge due to water (however, those fires will go out if there is enough water put on it) and fires that can last on top of water (oil fire for example) but none that can literally last if water is going through it.

Again a mountain out of a molehill. My response had everything to do with your statement. I know nothing about Bible so can't discuss about it. Unlike you, I don't discuss about something i don't know anything about and i don't even try to show that I know everything like you.

Wait, what? You know nothing of the bible yet believe in god (I'm assuming you believe in the biblical version of god). How incredibly odd. Which god do you believe in? There are a lot of them.

Again something I'm unaware of.

So a fact that disproves a major biblical event isn't worthy of anything further than "huh"?

Nopes, God would laugh at how you naive are. Not for believing God or something. That's your prerogative. It's just that you behave as if you know everything and that God ain't existent. Keep calling him whatever you want to. Because that describes you, not him.

I don't know everything. I even said I have no idea what happened before the big bang. No one does. People always ask well how does the universe exist without god but for some reasons ignore how does god exist without mega god. People made up god to explain things they did not understand. People used to do rain dances because they thought that would please god and he would make it rain. Obviously this is not true. Those people did not know that.

Primitive people tried explaining things without the correct knowledge. This is why people created god.

I like how god has to be a dude.

You wana talk about people? Lol. People even believed that Earth was a square. Does that make them true? Taking name of God for justifying your actions is damn easy as it doesn't have repercussions very soon. Like God won't end you just because you think so "good" about him. Some people believe that all Muslims are terrorists. I can't and don't believe such pathetic things.

So Noah's Ark being wrong (they didn't even know about bacteria back then yet got two of every animal, genetic problems, incest problems, size problems, feeding problems, sanitary problems), the earth not being flat (as the bible says it is), pi not being 3, earth not being only 6000 years old, etc. Despite all of that, you go well idk god still exists but with no proof. Stop committing fallacies dammit.


Strobel was an avowed atheist who decided to study the truth of Christ after his wife's conversion to Christianity. He went in from a journalists perspective thinking there couldn't be any factual proof. Instead what he found led to his own conversion and he's been a devout Christian ever since. He also wrote The Case for Faith.

Pussy will make some dudes do anything.

Jokes aside, this isn't a strong argument. He became religious before he wrote the book. Strobel interviewed no people that disagreed with Christianity. That would make the book an echo chamber and unreliable. They concluded that the bible was accurate despite being written years after the fact due to the story being passed down orally before finally being written. This is dumb. Like really dumb.

One quote about the book is that it is written for people who to want to reaffirm their faith and hope they can convince their friends to become religious with it. It will not convert anyone who is not religious because it is not written for them.

Many people have switched sides. I have. I used to be religious then Noah's Ark just wouldn't get out of my head and eventually I just had way too many questions. It is rare for a hardcore atheist to be turned. Though to be fair, that could be due to less atheists than theists.

One of the biggest questions I have is why has god seemingly done nothing in forever? He used to be very active but all of a sudden disappeared when we started learning about science and facts. Weird how that works. Is god camera shy or something? Does he not give a crap about us anymore?
 
Shin just stop.

You won't change their mind and they won't change yours. Y'all are just going around in circles.

That is very grown up and sensible.


Strobel was an avowed atheist who decided to study the truth of Christ after his wife's conversion to Christianity. He went in from a journalists perspective thinking there couldn't be any factual proof. Instead what he found led to his own conversion and he's been a devout Christian ever since. He also wrote The Case for Faith.

Three hours forty two minutes.
 
Sorry, Frank. I can't stop myself from standing up for God.

He is your god.
He's not mine. He's not yours. He's THE GOD whether you believe it or not.

Allah wouldn't be your god.
Wrong. Allah is just another name for God. God is One.

The 50000 Greek gods wouldn't be your god.
Again I repeat God is one. The 33 crore God-Goddesses out here are all one.

Your view shapes your god.
Nopes. Again don't intend that you know everything about God when you imply to question his existence.

You said science cannot answer something then provided something science is currently trying to answer (and will be able to answer).
Science can't answer everything. But you'll continue to say that it can while there are numerous things where Science has failed and will continue to do so.

Then you would be a liar.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I was just waiting for when you'll call me liar. Let's refer to dictionary to know what liar means.

A liar is a person who gives false information intentionally.

I'm a person. Okay. But I didn't give false information. False means which doesn't exist. But what i told already exists. So who's the liar?

There are certain types of fire than can enlarge due to water (however, those fires will go out if there is enough water put on it) and fires that can last on top of water (oil fire for example) but none that can literally last if water is going through it.
Which is again Science having no answer to it.

Wait, what? You know nothing of the bible yet believe in god
So, one can't believe in God if he/she doesn't know anything about Bible?

(I'm assuming you believe in the biblical version of god).
Wrong assumption.

How incredibly odd.
Yeah, I'm incredibly odd and am quite proud of it. Any problem?

Which god do you believe in? There are a lot of them.
God is one.

So a fact that disproves a major biblical event isn't worthy of anything further than "huh"?
When I know nothing about Bible, how can I discuss about it? I ain't like you

I don't know everything.
Same Pinch.

I even said I have no idea what happened before the big bang. No one does.
God does.

People always ask well how does the universe exist without god but for some reasons ignore how does god exist without mega god.
Do you know that God is the acronym for Generator, Operator and Destroyer?

People made up god to explain things they did not understand.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

It's opposite of that. God created everything.

People used to do rain dances because they thought that would please god and he would make it rain. Obviously this is not true. Those people did not know that.
People are stupid. So? People thought that earth is square. Also that the sun revolves around Earth.

Primitive people tried explaining things without the correct knowledge. This is why people created god.
God can't be created. People can be created, only by God.

I like how god has to be a dude.
There are Gods and Goddesses about which you obviously don't know but will still judge because you can. Also, God is beyond the genders, castes etc.

So Noah's Ark being wrong (they didn't even know about bacteria back then yet got two of every animal, genetic problems, incest problems, size problems, feeding problems, sanitary problems), the earth not being flat (as the bible says it is), pi not being 3, earth not being only 6000 years old, etc.
I can't discuss about it as i don't know anything about Bible.

Despite all of that, you go well idk god still exists but with no proof.
Thousands of proofs are there. You have to see them. You can't see them with closed eyes just like you can't eat with your mouth closed.

Stop committing fallacies dammit.
Fallacies are nowhere near God. Because God is truth regardless of your beliefs.

Pussy will make some dudes do anything.

Jokes aside, this isn't a strong argument. He became religious before he wrote the book. Strobel interviewed no people that disagreed with Christianity. That would make the book an echo chamber and unreliable. They concluded that the bible was accurate despite being written years after the fact due to the story being passed down orally before finally being written. This is dumb. Like really dumb.

One quote about the book is that it is written for people who to want to reaffirm their faith and hope they can convince their friends to become religious with it. It will not convert anyone who is not religious because it is not written for them.

Many people have switched sides. I have. I used to be religious then Noah's Ark just wouldn't get out of my head and eventually I just had way too many questions. It is rare for a hardcore atheist to be turned. Though to be fair, that could be due to less atheists than theists.

One of the biggest questions I have is why has god seemingly done nothing in forever? He used to be very active but all of a sudden disappeared when we started learning about science and facts. Weird how that works. Is god camera shy or something? Does he not give a crap about us anymore?
God has done nothing since forever? :lmao: Now this is a fallacy. This universe won't be working without God. God is still everywhere and will remain here until eternity. He cares about you a thousand times more than your abundance of ignorance towards God.
 
It's the same with everything. There are numerous people out there who will continue taking unfair advantage of their position or power. It's the same for those priests. Becoming a priest doesn't mean that he won't do something bad. Which is ridiculously wrong as well as unfortunate.

Your saying the obvious, but the problem is the church didnt do anything about it (they still really haven't) and just covered it up, moved the priests away to another town and let them do even more damage
 
Patience is good.

Well, there's a temple nearby my state. Where fire continues endlessly. Scientists have researched and hot nothing. Some hundred years ago, a stream of water was passed through it and fire still continued. It's Jwalamukhi Temple. Jwala is a hindi word meaning fire. I have visited it dozen times and have actually touched it. That's it. There's no answer by science.

would that not prove that your god is not real and that the gods of hindu are the ones to be worshipped?
 
Your saying the obvious, but the problem is the church didnt do anything about it (they still really haven't) and just covered it up, moved the priests away to another town and let them do even more damage
The chruch didn't do anything because the haed was probably like them as well. How does this show anything about God? If an inspector is corrupt and is saved by his higher up say Commissioner, then both are criminals.
 

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