Was Bill Watts Good or Bad for WCW?

Tenta

The Shark Should've Worked in WCW
Plenty of people know about the lasting legacy of what could have been the worst president in the history of any wrestling promotion, let alone WCW, Jim Herd. To say that this man was an abject failure as a booker would be like saying The Titanic took on a tiny leak. Some of this visionaries ideas included hunchback wrestlers, placing the over face Lex Luger with the dastardly Harley Race, and worst of all, letting Ric Flair go to the World Wrestling Federation with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Let's put things into perspective: Dusty Rhodes referred to the man as "The most untalented motherfucker in the history of the world." When a man like Dusty Rhodes is calling you that, it's really time to re-evaluate your life.

Of course, Herd was ousted, unable to deal with carny and bullshit mindset of some of the best bullshitters in the world (Cough... Dusty... Cough). WCW was in need or a president who actually understood the wrestling mindset, and could bring WCW back from the doldrums they reached. They would find that man in the name of Bill Watts, off a succesful term as the promoter of the highly succesful UWF. One thing that couldn't be denied was that Watts had an eye for talent, and saw fit to push the men who proved they could work in the ring. Watts was responsible for bringing in men like Vader, Chris Benoit, and Jushin Liger to work for his company, as well as gave the thumbs up to push men like Steve Austin, Brian Pillman, and Mick Foley, who otherwise never had the chance to get over under Jim Herd. Actually, it wasn't so much as Jim Herd, as much Dusty Rhodes, which brings us to another positive point about Bill Watts. Bill, not one to bullshit, saw to fit to trim the fat of WCW, and get rid of the people that tried to manipulate the boys for their own personal desires. WCW, for the first time some would argue ever, finally had a strong, defined leader in the front office. He'd prove to be the first, perhaps only, president to have a strong grip on the backstage, and on the boys. For once, the WCW was actually a professional company.

However, plenty of Bill Watts' moves in WCW were unpopular, to say the least. He eliminated top rope moves, and got rid of the mats around the ring, in an attempt to give more of an "old school" feel. This would cause a rift between Watts and the lightheavyweights, like Brian Pillman. He also would eliminate catering, and in general find his workers for obselete, sometimes innocuous "rules of the road". Even worse, Watts had a habit of not being a "corporate man", per se. He would do such "Good Ol' Boy" things as throwing racial epitehs in conversation, and calling his female colleagues the "c" word. Even worse, he was very prone to saying racist and sexist things to the public. It was Watts who would utter to the Pro Wrestling Torch:

Why should I have to hire a fucking *** if I don't like ****? If I don't want to sell fried chicken to blacks, I shouldn't have to. It's my restaurant.

Yes, clearly Bill Watts lacked the tact and poise of a corporate executive, let alone the president of the company. And while he understood wrestling, ther was plenty about his reign as president that would lead to him, ultimately, being ousted from WCW.

So, with all you have in front of you, and your own perception, was Bill Watts a success, or failure in WCW?
 
Watts did some good, but he also did plenty of bad. Sure, he may have brought in tons of exciting new talent, and he may have trimmed the fat as you said...but when morale is low, that's a bigger problem then not having good talent in my opinion. The rules he enforced were overly strict and rather silly. It hurt the talent, and attitudes changed for the worse.

He also was NOT a very nice human being. Homophobia is something that really gets under my skin, and the fact that he was racist on top of it just makes it worse.

Personally, I'd rather have a terrible company with wrestlers who enjoyed their job than a great company with wrestlers that felt like shit and were therefore just going through the motions.

I don't think he can be called a success or a failure. He was more "in-between". Successful in the booking, but unpopular when it came to his rules and his character.
 
but when morale is low, that's a bigger problem then not having good talent in my opinion. The rules he enforced were overly strict and rather silly. It hurt the talent, and attitudes changed for the worse.


Personally, I'd rather have a terrible company with wrestlers who enjoyed their job than a great company with wrestlers that felt like shit and were therefore just going through the motions.

I think alot should be said for this. You bring up a great point here; consider an ECW, which didn't always have the best workers, but morale was always really good within the company, as people worked hard for a boss that was able to motivate them.

However, I'd like to add one caveat; I could never, under any circumstances, defend homophobia, racism, or the like, so I won't. However, there were plenty of the rules put in place that, in general, should have been followed anyway. Yes, he did make wrestlers stay throughout the program, but it's usually an unwritten code that wrestlers do that, anyway, unless they are a main event performer, in which case you stay anyway. It was general knowledge that this allowed for the mid to lower card wrestlers to soak up tidbits from the main event wrestlers, so maybe there was a method to the madness.

My point is simple; this wouldn't be an issue if WCW talent was raised to have professionalism, and for the most part, they didn't. They got so used to the laziness that plagued the Herd era, and if someone had done something to whip the boys in shape, as Watts tried, maybe WCW could have been salvaged earlier. Hell, Eric Bischoff's fatal flaw was that he couldn't control the backstage. I agree that Watts wasn't perfect, but I feel that there was a method to the madness, and if WCW had the professionalism it shouls have already earned as a national promotion, Watts wouldn't have been in a position to fail
 
Then I'm not sure you can really rate him on the "Success/Failure" scale. He certainly seemed to do his best, but he was part of a different time. The wrong time, and the wrong place. If he had been brought in earlier, or the WCW wrestlers hadn't had to suffer through the Herd administration, then maybe they would have had the professionalism Watts demanded.

With that in mind I believe it was a mistake for Watts to come in and start ordering everyone about, president or not. He should have started slowly and built it up. When a company has become Incompetence Inc., it's rare that suddenly adding rules out of nowhere is going to accomplish anything but low morale.
 
I was just a casual viewer of WCW so I don't have the same knowledge as I do about WWF. From what I can tell Watts did some good, but his problem was he couldn't keep up with the times. The WWF was moving forward with more televsion, bigger arenas, and the overall entertainment feel. Watts was not only failing to move forward, but he was actually moving backwards. Watts still wanted to be in the dark smoke filled arenas of years past during a time when people wanted to bring their familys to a show. Taking away the ring mats didn't do anybody any favors. Banning moves from the top rope was a horrible decision. Wrestling in the 90s was becoming faster pace and high flying. It would be one thing if WCW didn't have the talent to use these moves, but to actually not allow them didn't make any sense. Watts was basically trying to keep wrestling "real" when the general public was finally accepting it as entertainment.
 
WCW would have been much better off with someone who possessed Watts' business sensibilities, but Watts himself was very much not the man for the job. Like Doc above me, I don't think I can rate him as a failure, because while he didn't succeed in his position, he didn't sink the company or start it towards a trend that it could never recover from. I hesitate to call him a success, but in the interest of driving conversation for the thread, I am going to.
 
You know, remember when Bill Watts was over the UWF before he moved to WCW? The likes of the BladeRunners (Sting, and eventually, Ultimate Warrior), Jim Ross, Dr. Death, Scott Casey, Kevin Sullivan, Ice Man King Parsons, etc.....were some of his aquisitions/creations. I remember looking forward to seeing the UWF on Sunday nights, and at that time---it was (to me) the ECW of the wrestling world. Not from a violent standpoint, because it was all too tame then for TV, but from a "little engine that could" standpoint.

When Watts came to WCW, and had a broader audience, or was garnering a broader audience, ---to me---he never realized what he had to appeal to, or who his audience was. What worked in UWF wasn't working in WCW (i.e the comments that were said and taken and not batting an eye to it), and vice versa. Visionary? Maybe---from a talent standpoint. Sting was/is arguably one of the most popular mainstays in wrestling, and will forever will be---at least the top 5 recognizable figures....however....while he was a vast improvement over Jim "Have No Idea What I'm Doing" Herd, I think Watts in some ways was wanting to push the boundaries of what UWF was like, but it wasn't taking off at that particular time and place. WCW was tame, and I think didn't want to scare anyone off, yet still wanted to compete. Remember, it wasn't until Turner REALLY got involved with money, motivation to beat McMahon, that WCW went to a semi "attitude" era....and this from a man who didn't even like wrestling (Turner). I think overall Watts may have laid a brick or two of foundation, but it was Turner who signed aggresive management to do what was neccessary to take over the ratings.....when ratings were then becoming an issue.
 
Even though I am not as familiar with the subject matter as I should be I'm gonna stick my neck out there and say he was a success. Everyone has had that one teacher or boss that was an asshole. Someone that wouldn't bite their tounge and stood strongly behind issues that most people wouldn't agree with. Looking back would you be the same person that you are today without working under that person at some point? A little discipline is needed during your life to keep you on the right path. The most rebellious people towards that type of leader are usually the trouble makers. I found it ironic who you used as a rebellious example. Would Brian Pillman have died if he would have stayed under Bill Watts? Or would Bill Watts eventually whip his ass into shape?

Normally when an extreme is taken, like removing top rope maneuvers and floor mats, it is done to make a point. That point is rarely laid out for you in words so you have to read between the lines. Watts couldn't handle the whining and he was trying to man the guys up a bit. Maybe he thought it was essential to learn some mat wrestling and when spot monkeys refused to do so he simply banned their spots and said learn. That type of leader will do anything necessary to get their point across. Maybe he even brought in Benoit, Liger, and Vader, which were specialists in their style, to rub off on the whole locker room.

Let's assume that my pothead thinking is right for a minute. All of the wrestlers in that company would have come out of the situation with a life lesson. The spot monkeys would have been forced to evolve their abilities when they were no longer allowed to climb the ropes. Everyone would have went on to appreciate the comfort of mats more since they always had something worse to look back on. Hell, maybe careers were saved since dumbasses like to fly off the ropes and land on their heads.

The fact is there's a possibility that careers advanced during that short period of time which helped the young guys move on to be legends. When that hard nosed style is done right (like Bill Cowher in The NFL), it works better than any other style. Bill Watts got his point across and everyone either learned how to wrestle or they got the hell out.

I don't agree with racism of course but under certain examples I can't call Watts wrong. Since that time a gay character has never been taken seriously. They've always been comedic fodder or they've been in the closet. Hind sight shows that Watts was right in that regard. Also, wrestling is a southern tradition, therefore I would venture to say it's roots are in racism. Noone should be surprised that a guy who was considered old school in the early 90's was a racist. Why would he expect a black guy to get over when everything he saw in his southern promotion before that led him to believe it was impossible? Even if his best friend was a black guy he wouldn't expect one to be able to get over in a wrestling promotion. Until this day there haven't been many black main eventers and I even read something recently that said Vince wants one. When Vince wants something he gets it. He must be having a hard time creating one. But hey, he's got a main event glow worm.

In closing I have to call Bill Watts a success because more good came out of him than bad. The good is pretty much immeasurable and the bad led to that good. His opinion may have proved to be fact by now. His prejudices have rarely gotten over and the business has leaned towards sexism.

Maybe I try to hard to think outside of the box .... or maybe I'm just stoned.
 
He promoted both Eric Watts and the no top rope rule. Anybody who is pro on both of those cannot be good in any way LOL.
Seriously though I remember awhile back and seeing a match in WCW where a wrestler was disqualified (I believe Ron Simmons iirc)for throwing his opponent over the top rope. I remember thinking "In this promotion the wrestlers are such sissies they can't be thrown over the top rope, but yet if I watch the wwf I can see my favorite match where the entire point is to throw your opponent over the top rope to win. I think I'll change the channel now."
 
Screw Bill Watts racist ass. His rule changes were horrendous and he still tries to justify them. What does removing mats do besides increase the chance of injury? They had just implemented a crusierweight or light heavyweight division and he eliminates the top rope, are you serious? Your going to make it so people have to cheat to use the top rope when it is often the faces who were the high fliers, that is intelligent booking. I understand implementing discipline but just being an asshole and saying it is for the best is often not the case. Make whatever argument you want but there is a difference between being a respectful discipline centered boss and just being a prick that everyone hates. What is the purpose to getting rid of food for the guys, they don't work hard enough or what. Take your homophobic, racist ass back to oklahoma, start a promotion, make your son the top face and live out the rest of your pathetic life.


Or he could go run TNA.
 

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