I watched Summer Slam 1991 again recently and I was curious as to where Undertaker was. He really looks out of place in that team. He does usually. But he's just plain wrong with them. That's almost as bad as when he teamed with Luger & The Steiners and he was wearing a coat with a stars and stripes lining.
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Slim Pickns
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Undertaker was announced as being in the building during the IRS vs Greg Valentine match. He didn't appear at the actual PPV. On the video release they had a reception for Savage and Elizabeth. Savage and Liz were opening gifts, one of which was a Snake. Jake Roberts and Taker appeared and attacked Savage.
Undertaker could not look right teaming with anyone back then. Here's my last example.
Undertaker and The Ultimate Warrior vs The Berzerker and Papa Shango
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Not only does Taker look out of place, but everyone as well. Berzerker teaming with Shango? A viking and a voodoo doctor teaming up against two men who just finished trying to stuff each other in caskets. Weird doesn't describe this enough. The finish is weird to when Warrior and Taker shake hands. This is when Taker started heading in the wrong direction, he was making friends.
Well you could write a whole book on all the crap that Taker was involved in from his debut in 1990 to his current run now. Most of the book would consist of years 1991-1995. If there was something stupid that needed doing, you could be certain that Taker would be involved in it. The only highlight for me in the years before Goldust & Mankind was his final Casket Match with Yokozuna.
Taker really did come around at (only) just the right time. He was a prelude to all the wacky gimmicks that started in the early 90's. A year or so later and he probably would have got lost in the shuffle. That year gave him a head start over the likes of Shango, Bezerker, Doink and others.
Taker really did come around at (only) just the right time. He was a prelude to all the wacky gimmicks that started in the early 90's. A year or so later and he probably would have got lost in the shuffle. That year gave him a head start over the likes of Shango, Bezerker, Doink and others.
Slim Pickns
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True, he got a head start, but he was also pushed as a legit threat right from the beginning. He went undefeated all year then beat Hogan. He showed no signs of weakness, even against tough competition. It was when he turned face that he started into all the wacky stuff. He didn't really fit in with any faces and didn't look normal fighting heels (like the above Berzerker feud). It got to the point were WWF was bringing in guys simply to feud with him, who would then leave when the feud was over. Its actually pretty amazing that Taker lasted through 96. Though looking back, he did take constant breaks which helped him from getting stale.
klunderbunker
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I've never seen this match, and I think that's the way it should stay. If my memory is right this is just a classic example of WWF throwing together two feuds together in a tag match. Berzerker at the time was trying to stab Taker with his sword (go figure), and Shango was cursing the Warrior. This just doesn't make any sense at all. I could see an interesting feud with Shango and Taker in a battle of the mystical, but Warrior and Berzerker I can't picture doing much in any way shape or form. Taker was just stumbling frmo one feud to another at this point as they knew he was something special but there was no one that matched up with him in any decent feud at the time until Yoko showed up a few years later.
Slim Pickns
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Undertaker and Berzerker suffered from the same problem, they didn't lend themselves to feuds very well. Berzerker was pushed as a powerful viking who only wanted to hurt people. As soon as he lost a single match, everything would go downhill. Its not a gimmick that can evolve, you would have to change it completely. He went to WCW and wrestled as John Nord.
When you through the two together, you get a clusterfuck tag match like this one and a feud that last a little over a month. Undertaker seemed out of place being overpowered by a half ******ed Viking, after he was coming off such a dominant run. If I remember correctly, the Warrior Shango feud didn't last too long either.
When you through the two together, you get a clusterfuck tag match like this one and a feud that last a little over a month. Undertaker seemed out of place being overpowered by a half ******ed Viking, after he was coming off such a dominant run. If I remember correctly, the Warrior Shango feud didn't last too long either.
klunderbunker
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That's exactly right. Berzerker and Warrior were both very limited with their gimmicks. Berzerker couldn't cut a promo and if he started making sense, it wouldn't work as it'd be like Eugene or George Steele acting like the Genius. Warrior was just nuts and bounced off the wall like he always did. Shango, like Berzerker, was impressive because of his mystique. As soon as he was defeated, he was done. Taker was limited at the time because of how he was booked. Now that he's as insanely established as he is, he can pretty much do whatever he likes in the ring and no one could care less because he'll get cheered to high heaven anyway. These four couldn'tve been worse to put together at the time and the match shows.
Slim Pickns
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Now that I think of it, how many times have the "minis/midgets/juniors" had stints in the WWF. They were here in the 80's, gone, then came back twice in the 90's and were even on Smackdown as recent as 2005. You think they'd realize it just doesn't work here.
The back story of this is one of the saddest moments in wrestling for me personally. Brian Pillman was one of my childhood favorites. He was the sole reason I watched WCW with my dad. He died the day before this PPV in my hometown. I didn't get to see Pillman while he was here and I still think about that until this day. I legitimately miss him, Henning, and Rick Rude. Same with Eddie, but to a lesser extent.
curtishouse27
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I've never seen this video...I remember an old coliseum video that the million dollar man hosted and it was pretty much the same scenario without the lumberjacks but they went to the instant replay because of Gorilla Monsoon and the decision was reversed. I think this video shows that Owen truly is a former WWF champion. Long live the King of Harts Owen Hart! Even though you're gone Owen, you will NEVER be forgotten.
curtishouse27
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Don't know if this has been mentioned but Tito did win at the first Wrestlemania against the Executioner I think...Flying forearm followed by the figure-four leglock. He also beat Papa Shango in a dark match at WM 9...I think that should count...Tito is definitely one of the most underrated wrestlers of all-time...Just have to look at his matches against the Hammer for the IC title to see how awesome he truly was.
Slim Pickns
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WWF's FIRST LADDER MATCH
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This is the actual first ladder match that has been talked about but rarely seen (in comparison to HBK vs Ramon). Bret Hart brought the idea to WWF, but it wasn't popular until showcased on PPV. This match is important, not only because it gave us two stellar HBK vs Razor matches, but its pretty much the only reason guys like Jeff Hardy and Edge got their names out there. The video quality is low, but the match is pretty good. Its tame compared to what you see today, but back then the ladder was pretty much just to climb, jump, and fall off of.
Was that at a house show; because WWE.com never shows him as the WWF champion listed at no time during time; only Bret Hart,Yokozuna,Diesel and God Forbid Bob Backlund. But Owen did deserve it he had alot more talent than alot of wrestlers on the current the Vince has.
klunderbunker
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Mating Game with Jim Neidhart
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Back in the 80s, WWF was known for not only it's wrestling, but it's entertainment. This is a prime example of that. THis whole segment is like something out of a dream sequence. It's very rare to see Anvil in something by himself, let alone a pretty well done comedy bit. The jokes on here are great and a bit intense for the early 80s. It's pure nostalgia and I love it. Although I could go without Anvil rubbing his nipples at the end.
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Back in the 80s, WWF was known for not only it's wrestling, but it's entertainment. This is a prime example of that. THis whole segment is like something out of a dream sequence. It's very rare to see Anvil in something by himself, let alone a pretty well done comedy bit. The jokes on here are great and a bit intense for the early 80s. It's pure nostalgia and I love it. Although I could go without Anvil rubbing his nipples at the end.
klunderbunker
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Ted Dibiase as WWF Champion
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This was on February 6th 1988 as Ted Dibiase had been given the title by Andre the night before, only to have it stripped the next day on Superstars. This to me was a classic example of what could have been. If my memory is correct, Savage was only given the belt at WM 4 because Honky Tonk didn't want to drop it to Savage. Had that not been the case, Dibiase could have either won the tournament or defended it at Mania. Either way it could have allowed for the ultimate showdown of the 80s with Hogan facing Dibiase for the belt. This is something that I would have loved to see more often, as I've always thought he was the greatest heel of all time, bar none.
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This was on February 6th 1988 as Ted Dibiase had been given the title by Andre the night before, only to have it stripped the next day on Superstars. This to me was a classic example of what could have been. If my memory is correct, Savage was only given the belt at WM 4 because Honky Tonk didn't want to drop it to Savage. Had that not been the case, Dibiase could have either won the tournament or defended it at Mania. Either way it could have allowed for the ultimate showdown of the 80s with Hogan facing Dibiase for the belt. This is something that I would have loved to see more often, as I've always thought he was the greatest heel of all time, bar none.
Monkey_Mania
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D-X vs. Rated RKO at New Years Revolution
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This match has just entered my favorite matches list. Everything about this was great. All four men really gave it there all in this one. Now I know people thought that this version of DX wasnt that good, but I love this match. Triple H tore his fucking quad in this match, and still competed for a good 10-12 minutes. Then Shawn Michaels realized that Triple H was hurt and stepped his game way up. This may not have been a technical classic, but Im a sucker for crowd involvement, and the crowd was definitely involved. My hats off to Rated RKO as well, it takes them to make this match wonderful.
klunderbunker
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I remember this match and Monkey's right, it's great because the crowd ate it up. This is also I believe the match where Edge is lining up for a mega spear and has the most amazing look on his face that sent a chill up me. I always thought that was when he clinched his main event spot. These four guys beat the crap out of each other in a war. I was always sad that this feud never really got settled as it could have been epic to say the least.
I don't think it's a good match at all. In fact I think that whole feud was really disappointing. But it's great to watch Shawn Michaels literally grab everybody by the scruff of the neck and tell them what to do. HHH couldn't do a thing. But Edge & Orton looked totally lost. HBK saved face for all of them.
Paul Revere
Step In The Arena
I have always loved that match. Great performances from everyone. HBK in particular, because he took over the reigns and made DX look good one last time and it set the pace for his upcoming program with John Cena. Edge and Orton almost bleed to death to make them look good. Triple H did what he could and you have got to respect that.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Love that match Monkey, just love it. Thats what the buisness is all about. HBK is fucking great, and may be the best guy in the buisness currently at taking care of other guys in the ring. Just ask Ric Flair. I love how he just goes crazy after he figures Trips is hurt, and starts flying around. "shit.....fuck....shutup referree"
*punch in the face*
just an awesome match. Blood. injuries. a rabid mob crowd. This was war.
*punch in the face*
just an awesome match. Blood. injuries. a rabid mob crowd. This was war.realblackhart
Mid-Card Championship Winner
One of my favorite matches of all time, Talent all around. I only wished Vince respected Lynn enough to do something with him if he had him again. RVD on pot in basically every ECW match he had and was still the whole F'n show. I would like to see him back too.
klunderbunker
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I got to thinking the other day that this could be something fun to try. Wrestling has been around for a very long time and there's been a lot of matches that are forgotten. Since yesterday was the 25th anniversary of Hogan winning the WWF Title, I thought I'd give this a shot and have a daily anniversary match. Each of these matches happened on this day in history x amount of years ago. I'll try it for a few weeks and see how well it works. For the record, I got this idea and most of the matches from another blog that I read.
So to begin with, from 11 years ago, Chris Benoit vs. Raven-Souled Out 98.
At the time Raven hadn't wrestled much and the only way that he would was under Raven's Rules, meaning No DQ. Benoit was getting beaten up by the Flock for weeks leading up to this and this match was the showdown between Raven who was said to be a former champion from "an independent company in the north east". At the time Benoit was just starting to break through the mid card and get some real support behind him. He could go hardcore as well as anyone else could and this was no exception. One of his standard great fights. Enjoy.
So to begin with, from 11 years ago, Chris Benoit vs. Raven-Souled Out 98.
At the time Raven hadn't wrestled much and the only way that he would was under Raven's Rules, meaning No DQ. Benoit was getting beaten up by the Flock for weeks leading up to this and this match was the showdown between Raven who was said to be a former champion from "an independent company in the north east". At the time Benoit was just starting to break through the mid card and get some real support behind him. He could go hardcore as well as anyone else could and this was no exception. One of his standard great fights. Enjoy.
Monkey_Mania
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See, I've never been a fan of Raven. Most people flock (no pun intended) to him like he is a god. When in reality he hasnt done much. He wasnt that good in the ring at all. Most of his matches were sloppy, and the only part of the matches I like are the end of them. Why bow down to a man who's claim to fame was winning a title in a bingo hall?
That being said. Christ Benoit can drag a good match out of anyone. As evidenced here. This match is seemingly back and forth with a few good spots. My favorite being in the end when Benoit makes Raven pass out from the crippler crossface. I guess for a Raven match it was good. Nice pick KB.
That being said. Christ Benoit can drag a good match out of anyone. As evidenced here. This match is seemingly back and forth with a few good spots. My favorite being in the end when Benoit makes Raven pass out from the crippler crossface. I guess for a Raven match it was good. Nice pick KB.
klunderbunker
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Raven is someone that I view as similar to Steve Austin at his peak. Now before you jump down my throat hear me out. Austin was easily more over for his character than his in ring work. I defy anyone here to name 5 classic Austin matches. I don't mean matches that are memorable. I mean matches that you look at based just on the in ring work and think of it as a classic. I have what I would consider a good knowledge of wrestling history and I can think of only a handful, mainly with Bret Hart on the other side of the ring. However he is easily one of the most over guys in the history of the sport. Raven was the same in ECW. His matches were ok at best, but his character was great. It was so great that it overshadowed his lack of in ring mastery. He was trained by Jake Roberts and you can see a lot of Roberts in Raven, which is certainly a good thing.
Monkey_Mania
I Am The One Who Knocks
Austin vs. Triple H 3 Stages of Hell, Austin vs. Hart - WM 13, Austin vs. HBK - WM 14, Austin vs. The Rock wm 15. Austin vs. Angle Unforgiven 2001. There I did it. Not that hard.
Raven was a piece of shit. Literally. Im going to catch flack for it but so was his trainer Roberts. The only good thing either of them have done was the DDT. Roberts had good psychology in the ring as well. Something Raven strived for. He tried so hard to be like Roberts, which is what I think his downfall is. His character was not even that great. If Vince McMahon cant make you any better than what you already are. It's time for a new gimmick. I'm sorry, but Raven was shit. Case closed.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Raven never was meant to be someone that was a big company player. If he debuted today in the indies with that character it could be amazing all over again. The idea of the man with the back, terrible childhood that is coming back for vengeance on those that hurt him as a kid is interesting to say the least. Now once he went to the bigger companies they tried to water him down. What was he in WWE anyway? In ECW Raven't Nest had some great workers in it. In WCW aside from Saturn his best was who, Scotty Riggs? It was an attempt to make him great in the mainstream and it jsut failed. He's always been an indy guy based on his character. Benoit got a great match out of him as some people could, which is similar to Austin. His in ring work never was great, but as a whole I always liked him.
