Vince Russo "SAMI ZAYN DOES NOT=RATINGS"

[OYDK]

Lol half the things you said couldn't be more wrong. You claim AE era were 5-7 minute matches? Lmfao, do you watch today's WWE? That's what they do regularly. DQ finishes? That's what this new generation is built on. 25 minute promos? Lmfao dude you're describing the VERY product today.. the difference is, during the AE era it was actually entertaining, hence why the ratings were the best they ever been and haven't come close to since.

Well, I'm not here to argue but I'll indulge. Raw this past week included a 13 minute match (New Day/Orton and Reigns), a 17 minute match (Ambrose/Rollins), an 11 minute match (Cena/Zayn) and a 9 minute match (Barrett and Sheamus/Ziggler and Neville)... none ended by DQ. The Raw before that included a 9 minute match (BNB/Ziggler), a 13 minute match (Sheamus/Dean Ambrose), a 10 minute match (Neville/Harper), and a 19 minute match (Reigns and Orton/Rollins and Kane)... 1 ended by DQ. About an hour and a half of Raw is dedicated to wrestling matches. During the AE, you were lucky to get half an hour of wrestling on a 2 hour Raw and seeing someone get a clean win was like witnessing the second coming of Christ... Getting the point? Don't talk facts unless you know what the hell you're talking about otherwise you look like an idiot.

The wrestling during the Attitude Era was not better than the ruthless aggression era, but they were damn sure better and more entertaining than today's wrestling BY FAR. Nothing produced in the last 8 years can touch Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit Ladder Match Royal Rumble 2001, Test vs Shane McMahon Summer Slam 1999, HHH vs Rock 60 minute Iron Man judgment day 2000, HHH vs Jericho Last Man Standing Fully Loaded 2000, Wrestle mania 2000 first TLC 1 with Hardys, E&C, and Dudleys, Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker HIAC Badd Blood 1997, Bret Hart vs Stone Cold Wrestle Mania 13....and that's a short list that absolutely murders anything WWE has produced in this era. The difference is, it was actually entertaining and refreshing. I guess some people think the combination of Kane/Big show/Rollins/Orton/Cena/Reigns every single week aand paper view doing the same shit over and over is entertaining.

Um, and how many of those matches happened under Russo? You know, the guy we're actually talking about? 1? 2? You're clearly turning this into an AE vs PG Era debate... and if that's the case than you, like Russo need to get over it. We're not going back, so either get with the product or stick to NJPW (which I highly doubt you actually watch by the way...)

The reason why a Draw is so confusing now, is because the only draw is the WWE name itself. You think there was ever any confusion on weather or not Goldberg, NWO, DX, Austin, Rock, The corporation, Sting ect were Draws? He'll no, ratings speak for themselves.

The Corporation, DX, Stone Cold, and The Rock were all part of the same era, so yes I'd say there is some confusion over who a legitimate draw was. Were they tuning in for Austin, The Rock, DX, or The Corporation? Sounds to me like fans were tuning in for the PRODUCT, much like you say goes on today.

Rollins, Bryan, ect are great wrestlers and I'll continue to look for their matches, but they aren't stars.

What makes a star? When you have an entire stadium chanting YES at a friggin baseball game, I'd say that's pretty star-worthy. Basically your argument sucks and I refuse to match wits with a pea-brain. YES I SAID PEA-BRAIN.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

The article was about more than just Zayn, it was about people making it seem like was such an amazing Raw that shouldn't have had the worst rating of the year, well fans obviously thought otherwise. His observation also applied to more than just Zayn, it also extended to Rollins and the like. It was also right.

Well go suck his tits then. AGAIN low ratings in the summer isn't a big deal. You can never predict as there many a factors going into TV viewing on that particular night that have to be factored.

It was a great RAW. This is more like Russo's attempt of stop liking indie guys so much they don't dwaaa. Russo hasn't known what draws since 2000.

 

[justinsayne]

Well go suck his tits then. AGAIN low ratings in the summer isn't a big deal. You can never predict as there many a factors going into TV viewing on that particular night that have to be factored.

It was a great RAW. This is more like Russo's attempt of stop liking indie guys so much they don't dwaaa. Russo hasn't known what draws since 2000.

Pretty sure he didn't know what draws in 2000 either, I mean look at what was going on in WCW around that time...

 

[Navi]

First the show was nothing to brag about, at all.

I'll take it as your opinion, which doesn't make it fact. Personally I enjoyed the show very much.

Main point, anyone who considers themselves a WRESTLING FAN and tunes into WWE for "Good wrestling" must not be a true WRESTLING FAN at all. The shit they produce is half baked at best. Every now and again there is a quality match, overall its a joke. TNA, Lucha Underground, and NJPW produce way better quality as far as "in ring" product weekly. Besides that, that observation couldn't be anymore wrong.

Again your opinion. Just because you like other wrestling companies, and yes they might produce better matches than the WWE does at time, what does that do with being a fan. If all someone watches is the WWE, they are still a wrestling fan.

WWE and WCW were never EVER built on in ring product, the success for both companies were 80% because of character development and story telling. Anyone who says otherwise is simply in their own SMALL world. Me myself, I love pure wrestling, I love the performance art, that's why NJPW is the ideal choice for that and its not even close. The problem for EVERY wrestling organization right now, is that simple fact...its NOT entertaining. Story telling is in the toilet and it's not a surprise that at the peak of the story telling boom, WWF/WCW/ECW were considered "cool" in pop culture, which equaled ratings, which equaled millions....compared to now where Pro wrestling is considered "lame" and ratings are declining, and interest is wavering. Russo point was very accurate, fan boys who eat garbage up no matter what would of course be outraged.

And good for you, and Vince Russo. If you don't like the WWE that's fine. Russo is on record saying it's not entertaining and he doesn't watch it. Then my point from earlier stands, why the hell is he commenting on it or writing a blog about it? Logic would tell you he would have moved onto something else he enjoys.

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

Well, I'm not here to argue but I'll indulge. Raw this past week included a 13 minute match (New Day/Orton and Reigns), a 17 minute match (Ambrose/Rollins), an 11 minute match (Cena/Zayn) and a 9 minute match (Barrett and Sheamus/Ziggler and Neville)... none ended by DQ. The Raw before that included a 9 minute match (BNB/Ziggler), a 13 minute match (Sheamus/Dean Ambrose), a 10 minute match (Neville/Harper), and a 19 minute match (Reigns and Orton/Rollins and Kane)... 1 ended by DQ. About an hour and a half of Raw is dedicated to wrestling matches. During the AE, you were lucky to get half an hour of wrestling on a 2 hour Raw and seeing someone get a clean win was like witnessing the second coming of Christ... Getting the point? Don't talk facts unless you know what the hell you're talking about otherwise you look like an idiot.



Um, and how many of those matches happened under Russo? You know, the guy we're actually talking about? 1? 2? You're clearly turning this into an AE vs PG Era debate... and if that's the case than you, like Russo need to get over it. We're not going back, so either get with the product or stick to NJPW (which I highly doubt you actually watch by the way...)



The Corporation, DX, Stone Cold, and The Rock were all part of the same era, so yes I'd say there is some confusion over who a legitimate draw was. Were they tuning in for Austin, The Rock, DX, or The Corporation? Sounds to me like fans were tuning in for the PRODUCT, much like you say goes on today.



What makes a star? When you have an entire stadium chanting YES at a friggin baseball game, I'd say that's pretty star-worthy. Basically your argument sucks and I refuse to match wits with a pea-brain. YES I SAID PEA-BRAIN.

Lol OK dumb ass, first you choose only 2 raws, go back further than that, break down the Raws for this year and you'll see the exact things you claim happen in the Attitude Era, though AE did it effectively. Plus you accounted for maybe an hour, where is the rest of the time? Break down the entire program, don't just be selective. Not only did you only choose 2 raws, where is your statistical break down for Raws from the AE where they only give you 5 minute matches? Some research you did there huh?

Anyway here's Raw from April 20 2015(which is the Raw before the last 1 you listed). First match a little over 2 minutes long and finishes from DQ. Second match 6 minutes long. Next match, a divas match was about 6 minutes. The next match which features Cena also goes for 6 minutes. Next match with Miz lasts about 2 minutes and 45 seconds. Next match with Ryback, about 1 minute 45 seconds(lmfao). Main event with Seth Rollins 7 minutes long..... a 3 hour Raw featured 30.9 minutes of wrestling, and not 1 match reaching double digits. The typical Raw filled with BS segments and filler, Fuck out of here lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_L5GmW89o2.

How much was Russo there for you ask? Lol tisk tisk. Vince Russo was in WWF from 1992-1999, promoted to creative in 1996. 1997 he became the head of creative in 1997 effectively beginning and spear heading the Attitude era.

"Notable storylines and characters during Russo's run as HEAD WRITER include the Steve Austin vs. Mr. McMahon feud, The Undertaker vs. Kane feud, D-Generation X, the rise of The Rock, and the Mick Foley saga. Some of the more controversial characters during this time, often cited by critics of Russo, include Sable, Val Venis and The Godfather.

Within two years of Russo becoming the WWF's head writer, it had passed Nitro to the biggest wrestling show on cable." Yeah soooo there's that. And yeah I surely Enjoy NJPW, I'm not a WWE mark shoving everything they put out up my ass like you . You should try it, they're not ashamed of promoting wrestling, you know......like how Vince is.

Anyways next, so your dumb ass thinks that with Steve Austin, Rock, Taker ect that the reason WWF went from almost being out of business to becoming the biggest thing in pop culture was because of the WWF name itself? So the name itself all of a sudden had WWE averaging a 5.9 rating out of nowhere? Lol, dude just stop. Do you know what the average build for Wrestle mania season during Russo's involvement was? 6.9 and Regular season average was 5.88 . The average rating for WM build over the last couple of years?
2012: WM build - 3.15 with a season average of 3.00, 2013: WM build - 3.28 with a season average of 3.01, 2014 WM build - 3.17 with a season average of 2.95(Bryans WM). A steady decline.

Oh and yes, the yes movement was super over......last year. His live attendence numbers and merchandise went from being bad to ok, not star worthy but ok.

But here, let's listen to the huge reactions shall we (lmfao):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nsB7SOo-CKQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vM0JBpV4c

Yes yes yes, that HUGE CROWD REACTION gave me goosebumps......lmao, nah I'm just playing, you could barely hear a response.

Here's the real reactions during a real era:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KybuIy0wKXk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQWVqzgqus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t-jpyCFfeMk

Don't talk facts unless you know what the hell you're talking about otherwise you look like an idiot.
Good day sir lol

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

I'll take it as your opinion, which doesn't make it fact. Personally I enjoyed the show very much.



Again your opinion. Just because you like other wrestling companies, and yes they might produce better matches than the WWE does at time, what does that do with being a fan. If all someone watches is the WWE, they are still a wrestling fan.



And good for you, and Vince Russo. If you don't like the WWE that's fine. Russo is on record saying it's not entertaining and he doesn't watch it. Then my point from earlier stands, why the hell is he commenting on it or writing a blog about it? Logic would tell you he would have moved onto something else he enjoys.

Ok we can agree to disagree no problem. I like all pro wrestling, including WWE. It seems this thread has become more about the Hate for Russo than actually viewing what he said without bias and giving a response.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Pretty sure he didn't know what draws in 2000 either, I mean look at what was going on in WCW around that time...

Don't be mean, that pope mobile was genius admit it.

On a serious note, I hate the fact that this has been a jerk off with people by and large agreeing with something said by a 50 something flash in the pan creative that is by and large as simple as proclaiming "I think B comes after A.."


Close this thread for fucks sake, or more dumb people will come in and post smug-fuck phrases like 'Russo is a slightly misunderstood genius imho'.

Please don't let it get to that.

 

[OYDK]

Lol OK dumb ass, first you choose only 2 raws, go back further than that, break down the Raws for this year and you'll see the exact things you claim happen in the Attitude Era, though AE did it effectively. Plus you accounted for maybe an hour, where is the rest of the time? Break down the entire program, don't just be selective. Not only did you only choose 2 raws, where is your statistical break down for Raws from the AE where they only give you 5 minute matches? Some research you did there huh?

I'm busting a rib at the irony in your tag... Supreme Knowledge... yeah OKAY. But if you want to make yourself look like even more of a pea-brain than I will indulge again. You want stats from a typical AE show? I picked 2 completely random Raws a year apart to prove my point:

Raw April 27, 1998:

First match: 1:45
Second Match: 3:15
Third Match: 1:15
Fourth Match: 3:30
Fifth Match: 0:59
Main Event: 7:40

Adds up to about 18 minutes of wrestling... 18 MINUTES.

How about Raw August 23, 1999?

First: 2:54
Second: 1:39
Third: 4:33
Fourth: 3:21
Fifth: 4:17
Main Event: 8:43

26 minutes of wrestling...

As for the rest, do you expect me to list every damn Raw throughout the year... if you think that Raw today includes as little wrestling as the Attitude Era than you really have no clue what the hell you're talking about and should really stop responding...

Anyway here's Raw from April 20 2015(which is the Raw before the last 1 you listed). First match a little over 2 minutes long and finishes from DQ. Second match 6 minutes long. Next match, a divas match was about 6 minutes. The next match which features Cena also goes for 6 minutes. Next match with Miz lasts about 2 minutes and 45 seconds. Next match with Ryback, about 1 minute 45 seconds(lmfao). Main event with Seth Rollins 7 minutes long..... a 3 hour Raw featured 30.9 minutes of wrestling, and not 1 match reaching double digits. The typical Raw filled with BS segments and filler, Fuck out of here lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_L5GmW89o2.

Uh, you're lying. That Raw included a 10 minute match, which you list a 6 minutes (New Day/Llucha Dragons), a 9 minute match, which you list as 6 minutes (Nikki/Naomi), and a 12 minute match, which you list as 7 minutes (Rollins/Ziggler). You're exposing yourself kid.

How much was Russo there for you ask? Lol tisk tisk. Vince Russo was in WWF from 1992-1999, promoted to creative in 1996. 1997 he became the head of creative in 1997 effectively beginning and spear heading the Attitude era.

"Notable storylines and characters during Russo's run as HEAD WRITER include the Steve Austin vs. Mr. McMahon feud, The Undertaker vs. Kane feud, D-Generation X, the rise of The Rock, and the Mick Foley saga. Some of the more controversial characters during this time, often cited by critics of Russo, include Sable, Val Venis and The Godfather.

Ahhh, again we're talking WRESTLING UNDER RUSSO. I don't give a shit about the storylines that happened under Russo. This whole thread was about Vince Russo and how he couldn't give less of a shit about wrestling, and than you went on to list a number of matches that happened when Russo wasn't there. Why do I care? You're just proving my point that good wrestling only happened AFTER or BEFORE Russo... friggin pea-brain man...

 

[yur_momma]

i saw sami zayn and instantly yawned. "who the fuck is this" i thot. yes i know, hes generico and hes the nxt darling....but i dont watch nxt. never will. so to me the guy is a freaking nobody and being introduced by bret hart with a drier than the sahara promo didnt help. matadores, adam rose, ascension, mason ryan, justin gabriel, neville (BAHAHAHAHA!) charlottes extremely impressive raw debut (sarcasm), bo dallas and so many others is more than enough reason for me to not give two shits about zayn. he will follow the same path of nothingness. yes, i can hear some crying how ryback and barrett are the exceptions but are they really?? barrett does nothing but lose and ryback is one of the most directionless and oddly charactered personality currently in wwe.
nexus ruined nxt for me forever...and the track record of those who come from it is just as pathetic.
there was absolutely zero chance of cena losing that match so why watch it? we wont see zayn again for who knows how long so why watch it? was he gonna take the us title back to nxt? was he going to become a main roster guy off this one win? no to both and we all know it. it was a cheap pop for the home crowd, which is smart business but if any of you think it was done to showcase this guy, youre being silly. if they hadnt been scheduled in that city all year long youd never have seen zayn. it had one purpose: pop the home crowd.

 

[SJ5522]

i saw sami zayn and instantly yawned. "who the fuck is this" i thot. yes i know, hes generico and hes the nxt darling....but i dont watch nxt. never will. so to me the guy is a freaking nobody and being introduced by bret hart with a drier than the sahara promo didnt help. matadores, adam rose, ascension, mason ryan, justin gabriel, neville (BAHAHAHAHA!) charlottes extremely impressive raw debut (sarcasm), bo dallas and so many others is more than enough reason for me to not give two shits about zayn. he will follow the same path of nothingness. yes, i can hear some crying how ryback and barrett are the exceptions but are they really?? barrett does nothing but lose and ryback is one of the most directionless and oddly charactered personality currently in wwe.
nexus ruined nxt for me forever...and the track record of those who come from it is just as pathetic.
there was absolutely zero chance of cena losing that match so why watch it? we wont see zayn again for who knows how long so why watch it? was he gonna take the us title back to nxt? was he going to become a main roster guy off this one win? no to both and we all know it. it was a cheap pop for the home crowd, which is smart business but if any of you think it was done to showcase this guy, youre being silly. if they hadnt been scheduled in that city all year long youd never have seen zayn. it had one purpose: pop the home crowd.

Nexus ruined NXT for you yet you've never watched NXT and never will. Makes perfect sense. Try actually watching the show and gaining the first bit of insight before writing a bunch of paragraphs about it next time.
NXT stars have had a mixed hitrate but your eye for talent must be completely non-existent if you don't think Neville and Zayn have a ton of potential. Either that or you don't know what you're talking about, which sounds pretty likely.

 

[yur_momma]

Nexus ruined NXT for you yet you've never watched NXT and never will. Makes perfect sense. Try actually watching the show and gaining the first bit of insight before writing a bunch of paragraphs about it next time.
NXT stars have had a mixed hitrate but your eye for talent must be completely non-existent if you don't think Neville and Zayn have a ton of potential. Either that or you don't know what you're talking about, which sounds pretty likely.

not sure what you didnt get. nexus was on raw not nxt so yes ive never seen it. pretty simple math there not sure how you got lost.

and no nxt guy has truly shined yet. barrett and ryback could be argued but id disagree. mid card or less for life with them.

my eye for talent has nothing to do with the fact that these nxt guys all fucking fail miserably. but maybe youre an adam rose fan or bo dallas.....maybe your better eye for talent can see them as world champs lmao. sorry for making a post that gave you so much butthurt, i kno its against all the iwc rules to say anything negative about nxt but i just dont give a fuck. what they produce is shit.

and using the word potential doesnt make you sound smart. everyone has potential. potential to succeed, potential to fail, whatever. neville is justin gabriel 2.0....zayn is 3.0.

 

[SJ5522]

first of all, nobody in the world is an Adam Rose fan, i'll clear that up right now.
Nobody wants to see a 'party boy' gimmick and his matches are over too quickly to judge much from, others have been successful in NXt but flopped on main roster like Bo Dallas and Ascension, but please, Neville is already very popular, and if you actually make an attempt to give Zayn a chance you'd probably be very entertained. if you like wrestling anyway, he's as promising as any youngster WWE have at the moment. I never said they're guaranteed Mania headliners, just that they're extremely promising and there's every chance you'll look like an idiot for your posts.

not every NXT guy is gonna be that amazing an all-rounder, or work out for the main roster, but it's a great way to build talent, experiment with gimmicks and give new characters a bit of creative license and breathing room, rather than the old method of a squash match debut on Heat or Velocity.
Is Daniel Bryan a failure? the most over guy in WWE right now? Ambrose probably the second most over guy? Failures, yeah? And I'm sure Daniel Bryan's character would have developed just as organically as if he was wrestling on the show Superstars

Eh, watch the product or don't, I couldn't care less. Just don't see the point in badmouthing it when you haven't watched it, even guys from NXT who have flopped on WWE TV are significantly more impressive on that show than they would be on Raw or Smackdown, so you only succeed in making yourself look like a fool

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

I'm busting a rib at the irony in your tag... Supreme Knowledge... yeah OKAY. But if you want to make yourself look like even more of a pea-brain than I will indulge again. You want stats from a typical AE show? I picked 2 completely random Raws a year apart to prove my point:

Raw April 27, 1998:

First match: 1:45
Second Match: 3:15
Third Match: 1:15
Fourth Match: 3:30
Fifth Match: 0:59
Main Event: 7:40

Adds up to about 18 minutes of wrestling... 18 MINUTES.

How about Raw August 23, 1999?

First: 2:54
Second: 1:39
Third: 4:33
Fourth: 3:21
Fifth: 4:17
Main Event: 8:43

26 minutes of wrestling...

As for the rest, do you expect me to list every damn Raw throughout the year... if you think that Raw today includes as little wrestling as the Attitude Era than you really have no clue what the hell you're talking about and should really stop responding...



Uh, you're lying. That Raw included a 10 minute match, which you list a 6 minutes (New Day/Llucha Dragons), a 9 minute match, which you list as 6 minutes (Nikki/Naomi), and a 12 minute match, which you list as 7 minutes (Rollins/Ziggler). You're exposing yourself kid.



Ahhh, again we're talking WRESTLING UNDER RUSSO. I don't give a shit about the storylines that happened under Russo. This whole thread was about Vince Russo and how he couldn't give less of a shit about wrestling, and than you went on to list a number of matches that happened when Russo wasn't there. Why do I care? You're just proving my point that good wrestling only happened AFTER or BEFORE Russo... friggin pea-brain man...

Dude are you ******ed??? Seriously? How old are you? Lmfao, do you not know how to count properly? Bell to bell, the matches that I listed were precise, ring entrances and what happens after is not part of the match. You sir are exposing yourself for not knowing how to count, just stop lol, you look stupid. Typical wwe matches today are 3-6 minutes, fuck out here lame-o.


Yeah sure, every era has short matches I suppose, WCW had the longest bouts. Difference is the ratings for WWF were double and triple what they were for today's WWE. I guess now that I offer you answers, you try to discredit Russo because he was highly instrumental in the most successful period of pro wrestling lmao, dumb ass.

But hey, keep considering 6 minute matches featuring the New Day vs Lucia dragons as good wrestling bro........lmfao

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

i saw sami zayn and instantly yawned. "who the fuck is this" i thot. yes i know, hes generico and hes the nxt darling....but i dont watch nxt. never will. so to me the guy is a freaking nobody and being introduced by bret hart with a drier than the sahara promo didnt help. matadores, adam rose, ascension, mason ryan, justin gabriel, neville (BAHAHAHAHA!) charlottes extremely impressive raw debut (sarcasm), bo dallas and so many others is more than enough reason for me to not give two shits about zayn. he will follow the same path of nothingness. yes, i can hear some crying how ryback and barrett are the exceptions but are they really?? barrett does nothing but lose and ryback is one of the most directionless and oddly charactered personality currently in wwe.
nexus ruined nxt for me forever...and the track record of those who come from it is just as pathetic.
there was absolutely zero chance of cena losing that match so why watch it? we wont see zayn again for who knows how long so why watch it? was he gonna take the us title back to nxt? was he going to become a main roster guy off this one win? no to both and we all know it. it was a cheap pop for the home crowd, which is smart business but if any of you think it was done to showcase this guy, youre being silly. if they hadnt been scheduled in that city all year long youd never have seen zayn. it had one purpose: pop the home crowd.

Bro, WWE fan boys will kill you for saying the truth!! They have Vince McMahon pushing their sh*t in every Monday so hard they can barely move Tuesday morning. Lmao. I love indie wrestling, I attend local shows. Fact still remains that none of them are stars in today's WWE. Truth hurts

 

[OYDK]

Dude are you ******ed??? Seriously?

just stop lol, you look stupid.

lame-o

lmao, dumb ass.

bro........lmfao

Yup, your either in your first year of high school, or straight out of elementary school. Which means you shouldn't be talking about something you never experienced first-hand.

The point is, the wrestling aspect of pro-wrestling under Russo was non-existant. Ask him and he'll tell you the same thing. Keep making a fool out of yourself though.. I'll be having a great laugh over here in adulthood.

 

[snizzbone]

The fact Russo has already written an article titled SAMI ZAYN DOES NOT = RATINGS is absolutely absurd. Of course one of his first matches on the main roster is not going to spike ratings dramatically.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

He's a little bit right, a little bit wrong. He's definitely wrong to say they're pitching him as "just a wrestler type". He has a lot of things already that take him out of the "black trunk mechanic" zone, the cloth hat, the ska-punk theme... he's not run of the mill.

Putting him with Bret was smart, cos he was the underdog who made it...so in a sense that was Bret passing that torch now Bryan is likely done. Where WWE is maybe getting it wrong is assuming Bryan's audience will just attach to Sami like there is no difference.

It's not Russo's worst assertion ever, but he's not right either... At the end of the day he knows some of the people concerned, you don't... so his opinion is probably gonna be more valid than many...even if he is being controversial for the sake of it... "Attack Indy Darling for Stellar WWE Debut = Clicks"

 

[SJ5522]

just personally, I'd rather get a few less people tuning into my long-running weekly TV show than a few more clicks on my crappy blog

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

Yup, your either in your first year of high school, or straight out of elementary school. Which means you shouldn't be talking about something you never experienced first-hand.

The point is, the wrestling aspect of pro-wrestling under Russo was non-existant. Ask him and he'll tell you the same thing. Keep making a fool out of yourself though.. I'll be having a great laugh over here in adulthood.

Lol, Judging by your lack of ability to do proper math I can make the same assessment about you. I've been watching wrestling since 1992, watched plenty of the territory day matchest to the hardcore stuff in Japan, from AE Ruthless aggression to this sad era.

Your point about Russo is pretty much duhh. He said pure wrestling doesn't sell, he's right. There was a reason WWE and WCW became so successful, because of character development and stroylines. The matches themselves were not indie wrestling standard, but the storytelling throughout matches and matches themselves were 10x as entertaining. There's a reason WWE went from 6.0 ratings to the 2.9-3.0 that they pull regularly now.

But hey appreciate your input, I envy you because I wish I were as easily amused that I could enjoy the same 6 minute matches on raw, then see it again on smackdown, then have it ran again on a payperview formula.

 

[ABMorales787]

Such a stupid notion. WWE would be sunk under water right now in a sea of stupidity, shit and probably closure if it weren't for one John Cena. Without that man, WWE would never have anyone to truly market itself around this past decade. There would be no WWE Network. There would be no Rock vs Cena. There is a reason when John Cena isn't able to attend a house show you are entitled to a money back guarantee and it's not because it's out of the goodness of WWE's heart. So, yeah. WWE itself being a draw? It's fucking bullshit. Thousands would tune out if they knew Cena wasn't around. Hell, I tune out just because I've found it terrible.

Sami is obviously not gonna equal ratings and that's because it takes time to develop such an ability. He's not gonna light the world on fire off the get-go. Cena didn't. Took him about 4 years. Austin didn't. Took him 2 and half. Hogan didn't. It took him a movie, 2 years and jumping to another company. So why the hell are we supposed to think Sami Zayn will turn a ship in a week? Is he good? Indeed. Is he good enough to someday be a genuine drawing star for the WWE? If they get behind him, yes. He does a damn good job of drawing interest into the NXT product. You can say what you will about it being for the hardcore audience. Who the fuck cares? An audience is an audience. And if Daniel Bryan has shown anything, it's that casual fans learn from those hardcore audiences. If people organically learn to care about someone, you bet people will tune in to watch. It's the basic premise of TV.

Anyone thinking otherwise is just some moron thinking he's (or she's) some sort of astrologer.

 

[MWRedskins]

Nothing produced in the last 8 years can touch Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit Ladder Match Royal Rumble 2001, Test vs Shane McMahon Summer Slam 1999, HHH vs Rock 60 minute Iron Man judgment day 2000, HHH vs Jericho Last Man Standing Fully Loaded 2000, Wrestle mania 2000 first TLC 1 with Hardys, E&C, and Dudleys, Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker HIAC Badd Blood 1997, Bret Hart vs Stone Cold Wrestle Mania 13..

Rollins, Bryan, ect are great wrestlers and I'll continue to look for their matches, but they aren't stars.

firstly.....the matches that i have in bold did NOT happen under the Vince Russo era. Russo left for WCW in October of 1999, so he didnt book the matches in bold. dont get me wrong, Russo was a great creative mind when he worked with McMahon, but by himself, he was awful.

as for Rollins and Bryan not being stars, i disagree. i fully believe that if Bryan didnt get hurt, he would be a major star right now. listen to the crowd reactions, they chant for Bryan, they chant yes, that's not some fluke. he's loved and as for Rollins, he gets heat and he gets some cheers (by some adult male fans). i like him as champion as he can wrestle and i think he's an awesome talker. i think he's a star too.

 

[sjdigitall]

Ratings have nothing to do with a debuting Zayn, they have nothing to do with the type of talent WWE has, at the end of the day when it comes to casual fans it all comes down to Cena, his spot on the roster and WWE's unability to create stars from their new roster. You could even say that those 3 points all relate.

 

[Supreme Knowledge]

firstly.....the matches that i have in bold did NOT happen under the Vince Russo era. Russo left for WCW in October of 1999, so he didnt book the matches in bold. dont get me wrong, Russo was a great creative mind when he worked with McMahon, but by himself, he was awful.

as for Rollins and Bryan not being stars, i disagree. i fully believe that if Bryan didnt get hurt, he would be a major star right now. listen to the crowd reactions, they chant for Bryan, they chant yes, that's not some fluke. he's loved and as for Rollins, he gets heat and he gets some cheers (by some adult male fans). i like him as champion as he can wrestle and i think he's an awesome talker. i think he's a star too.

You have the 1s not in bold,The Undertaker Vs. Mankind Hell In A Cell Match (King Of The Ring 1998) the infamous toss of the cage match, Royal Rumble 1999 “I Quit” Match: Mankind vs. The Rock, Starting the Undertaker vs Kane saga, ect. That's just some. Like I've stated before, I agree that Russo is terrible without a filter, he was amazing with 1. This article turned into a hate article which it wasn't supposed to. It was supposed to be an opinion based off of what he said, which I agree with.

Bryan and Rollins being stars within the hardcore WWE circle is true, but they don't move the needle and bring in the casual fan enough for them to turn to a hardcore fan. That's what Austin, Rock, The Hardys, Jericho ect did. They had the charisma and star power enough to turn casual fans.

 

[whoopin' ass]

I get where he is coming from. Zayn debuted in his hometown where people knew him and his past. You heard the Ole! chants during the match. Why didn't the debut him a week earlier or later? In Montreal, he gets a good pop but anywhere else, you would not get that reaction because people are not going to know his history so they won't care. That is also the reason why he doesn't equal ratings. Does it mean he won't equal ratings? Nah, he is good in the ring and looked good against Cena so if they booked him right(big "if" there), he could be a guy to improve the ratings. But right now, the casual viewer has no clue who he is and that is who the wwe goes after. That's why guys flip face and heel so often and why what happened 3 months ago doesn't matter now. If they don't know who he is, why are they going to care?

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

Yeah, Zayn isn't a star. Do you know why? Because he just debuted.

Austin, Rock, Triple H, Cena.. All of these guys didn't debut as stars, they became stars.

Do you remember about a company in the late 90s, that used to bring in stars to make their debuts, because they only cared about drawing power and name value and never created new stars to lead the way? That company was named WCW and it doesn't exist anymore. Russo worked there.

However, do you remember another company, that took jobbers like The Ringmaster, Rocky Maivia and Hunter-Hearts Hemelsey, alongside a crazy wacko that was jumping off the roofs of cells and turned them into stars? That company was the WWF and it kicked WCW's ass.

Of course Zayn is not a star, duuhhh. Not everyone debuts as a star. They have their stars in Cena, Orton, Lesnar and Triple H. Now they look to create a new generation of stars.