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Vickie Guerrero...

How is it that she got more heat and more of a reaction on Monday during that terribly long segment segment that took place with the 6 superstars from the Hell side of the 12 man tag?

I don't understand how fans can hate her more then they hate anyone else. The only person who gets a better reaction than her is Cena, and he gets 50/50 cheers and boos.

I think the WWE is in trouble if a woman who isn't an active wrestler gets a better reaction than the majority of their major heels and faces on the show.

How does the WWE go about fixing this problem?
 
It's just the Pavlov dog reaction. There's no substance to it, it's just like Michael Cole's 'Can I have your attention please?'. Other heels can generate heat because of what they say on a week to week basis. Usually once the excuse me part has died down then her heat dwindles and she can't get back on track, except for certain occasions.

Believe me, the fans don't dislike her as much as some of the other heels, it's just the thing you do when she walks out, like a Mexican wave at a sporting event. But other than that:

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I think the WWE is in trouble if a woman who isn't an active wrestler gets a better reaction than the majority of their major heels and faces on the show.

I'm not sure why you think this would be an issue. Some of the best and most effective characters are corportate ones. More or less all of the McMahon family, Michael Cole last year, William Regal.
 
Why is WWE in trouble? Vickie is a strong female Heel, just like how Henry is the Strong Male heel Vickie gets that reaction because she plays her role better than pretty much anybody, it infuriates people. WWE is not in trouble because Vickie can play her role well, as a matter of fact I'd say the opposite. Vickie just irks the crowd like a manager can or should, cheating and taunting the crowd and the in-ring talent.

She's just that strong. She should be teaming with the Divas of Doom in all honesty. WWE just needs to examine how to make a great heel again they've got Henry and they had Orton, heck even Punk; it's more about how a superstar can or should a approach being hated being hated without being loved is nearly impossible. The cheers the bad guy, unless they just don't like what they do.
 
I don't really see your point here. So what if a non-wrestler female does get more reaction than the divas? Who would be hurt? And when you say that 'how would wwe fix this problem?', where is the problem there and what should be fixed? Shouldn't WWE be happy because Vickie Guerrero is an effective heel?
 
vicki is doing an awesome job, anybody who needs heat right away should be put with her, somewhere up above eddie has to be loving the way vicki is playing her character
 
How is it that she got more heat and more of a reaction on Monday during that terribly long segment segment that took place with the 6 superstars from the Hell side of the 12 man tag?

I don't understand how fans can hate her more then they hate anyone else. The only person who gets a better reaction than her is Cena, and he gets 50/50 cheers and boos.

I think the WWE is in trouble if a woman who isn't an active wrestler gets a better reaction than the majority of their major heels and faces on the show.

How does the WWE go about fixing this problem?

There's really nothing to correct really. Think about it, back in the day when you had managers like Bobby Heenan and Sherri Martel, they were the sounding board; they're the one that generated the heat. Its no different with Vickie Guerrero. I haven't watched WWE in quite a while, but I know that Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger aren't really known for great mic skills. Like mentioned before its not general hatred for her as opposed to the reaction she draws from the fans. From that standpoint, she's doing everything right
 
She definitely drew the most heat last night. The arena was electric.

She gets the MOST heat in part because she plays the BEST heel.

Ziggler and Swagger don't annoy people... Vickie's voice when she says EXCUSE ME... DRAWS MAJOR HEAT.

The only time I couldn't hear a word the person said was when Vickie was on the mic. Mark Henry didn't get as much heat!!!
 
I too chuckled that she got the most heat BY FAR than anyone else in the segment. No wonder everyone else got the mid-carder treatment. ah

While I don't think it is a problem she gets one of the bigger reactions, I do think it gets annoying. I am not a fan of Vickie. I don't like hearing screeching. I don't like her going out of her way to be the center of attention. She hasn't done anything for the guys' she has managed. Granted not everyone remembers all the people other noticeable managers have managed, but isn't Ziggles supposed to be viewed as a soon to be big deal? They drop Vickie and there goes any damn the crowd might have for Ziggles.


But really, I think a lot of the lack of reaction for wrestlers is 50/50. You got guys within that SAME segment in topic that have been pushed hard and still can't connect to the crowd. You can't blame management for that. However, there are some guys who come from no where and still get the crowd going; like Mason Ryan in that tag match or "The Invisible to the Raw Crowd for 10 months" Wade Barrett with his promo.
 
I don't really see a problem with that shes getting more heat than most of the roster, it just means she damn good at her job and, if I was WWE, I'd want her keep doing that. She's great on the mic and maybe thats why she was put with Swagger, but back to the topic. It really doesn't need fixing. EXCUSE ME!! lol
 
Vickie is GOLD, and if he can garner heel heat better than some of the guys who wrestle than GOOD!!!

What you (wwe) do is you build a stable of guys around her, you've got a tag team, you've got a couple of singles guys who improve and once they're ready to break off on the solo you kick them out and bring someone new in to the mix, Vickie is managerial gold for WWE and they NEED to build a stable up around her, not just two guys but 5-7 mixed between RAW and SD, nxt guys, old guys you name it even Divas.
 
Not saying she is as good a manager as Bobby Heenan.
(Now that the disclaimer is out of the way)

Back in the day Heenan garnered more heat than the guys on his roster. Whoch then transferred to those wrestlers. Hercules, Haku, Brooklyn Brawler, Red Rooster, all couldn't get a reaction on their own. But place Heenan next to them the BAM you have something.

Vicki is getting the same reaction right now. She gets booed for just being there, her annoyance has gotten that much heat. Now place some guys around her and all of a sudden she moves it on to them. It's great.
 
I've loved her being paired up with Dolph, and now Swagger... Hell they should put Del Rio with her to help him get a better reaction (a reaction period) from the crowd. I agree that she's 100% pure gold, and shes a heat magnet (and kind of a babe nowadays)
 
For someone who had just been a wife of a wrestling legend, to come in and become one of the most hated characters on television, I say props to her! She is getting more legitimate heat than anyone on the roster and it doesn't just die down after the "EXCUSE ME's" are done. The crowd hardly allows her to get a word out at all. None and I mean, NONE of the heels on the roster get that reaction. Not Mark Henry, not Christian, not Cody Rhodes and Del Rio is praying for any kind of reaction at all. She's doing her job, playing her role and doing it masterfully. Her issues don't need fixing. If anything WWE needs to get her more involved with Del Rio so that he can get some heat.
 
How is it that she got more heat and more of a reaction on Monday during that terribly long segment segment that took place with the 6 superstars from the Hell side of the 12 man tag?

I don't understand how fans can hate her more then they hate anyone else. The only person who gets a better reaction than her is Cena, and he gets 50/50 cheers and boos.

I think the WWE is in trouble if a woman who isn't an active wrestler gets a better reaction than the majority of their major heels and faces on the show.

How does the WWE go about fixing this problem?

Why is this a problem?

Actually, this is more good news than bad news. Why, you ask? Because the WWE always has a surefire way of getting a nobody over as a heel if they pair up with Vickie. I've seen that it was mentioned before by other posters but this is the Bobby Heenan theory. Guilt by association only works when the outside party has enough heel heat to allow it to bleed onto another.

Vickie is rare in today's pro-wrestling world. If the WWE to try and take this quality away from here, they're robbing themselves of some serious money.
 
When Vicky was on smackdown, I found her really annoying and want her off but for some reason in raw, she is not as annoying anymore.

I think it is all about her coming on stage at the right time and not everytime like she did on smackdown.
 
Vickie gets instant heel heat just for opening her mouth. She started off with a simple heel turn, just like anybody else. When she was Smackdown's GM and sided with Edge, it began. She helped him win matches and booked things in his favor, was part of La Familia with him, and this was around the time that her EXCUSE ME line began.

Her negative fan reactions all basically stem from how annoying EXCUSE ME is. It kept getting on fans' nerves until it reached the point where fans didn't want to hear her speak at all. Here we are, 3 years later and she gets boo'ed out of the building each time she tries to talk. WWE should have taken notes on what they did with Vickie. It worked due to it creating hatred within fans, something heels rarely do today. If they want heels to get as over as her, find something for them to do that legitimately makes the fans upset, and keep doing it. Vickie will not be the only one to get that type of heel heat if they do it with someone else.

It's really fairly simple. The heels need to legitimately make the fans angry enough to want to pay money to see them get hurt. The faces need to gain the fans support to the point where the fans want to pay money just to see them in a match. Lazy booking is the main problem. With some guys or divas it may be tougher than with others, but once you find something that works with someone just keep doing it. That worked for Vickie and it can work for anyone.
 
I agree that she's 100% pure gold, and shes a heat magnet (and kind of a babe nowadays)

Ive never been a fan of Vickie, but kind of a babe, is pushing it.

Fair-play to her she looks a lot better nowadays as she lost a ton of weight.

I dont think those little shorts she's wearing do a lot for her, but its her look and shes entitled to it.

But she knows how to do her job with excellence, its just the annoying "Excuse Me" and the constant screeching at ringside I hate.
 
I think Vickie is doing a great job, in fact better than I thought she could do in this role.

I don't really think it matters that she is getting more heat than the top heels. The whole point of her character is to draw MAJOR heat from the crowd and that is what she's doing.

They have really done a great job with the "EXCUSE ME!!!" thing. They took a line and ran with it just like some other posters mentioned with the Michael Cole "Can I have your attention please" line. Hell, the anonymous GM was getting more heat than the top heels.

It's not a problem at all.
 
The idea that one of WWE's characters getting super over has become a problem is laughable. WWE should be extremely pleased that Vickie is still able to garner that type of reaction, despite having her role diminished significantly over the last few months. Also, it helps the wrestlers she's working with, because the fans are into the segments when she's in them.
 
Also, it helps the wrestlers she's working with, because the fans are into the segments when she's in them.


That's a great point. She has and will continue to help her stable get over as heels. Their mere association with her (a MEGA-HEEL) is helping them out for sure.
 
Vicki Is one of the best heels in the buisness! She has worked very hard and has come a long way in her career. It is admirable what she has done with her life. She could have been a sad little widow but instead she is a prominent member of the buisness that helped her make a good faamily. She works and develops all of the younger stars with all of the things that Eddie and Edge taught her along the way. She is great.
 

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