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Very Interesting change in the WWE

Juntin

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As you all probably know by now, if two or more Superstars are feuding and, assuming they get a PPV match, the one with the momentum usually loses come their Pay-Per-View match, last night, at Night of Champions, and in several other places, we saw most of the wrestlers with Momentum heading into their respective matches actually win the match, was this a one-time thing or is WWE shaking up their methods? For example, at Money in the Bank two months ago, Swagger was dominating Rey in all the weeks leading to the PPV, but once their match came, he lost, however, let's take a look at another fued that just culminated, Bryan vs Miz. In all of the RAW's leading up to NOC, Bryan was locking in the Lebell Lock on Miz, one would then assume that Bryan would somehow lose at NOC, however, he won. The same can be said for, Drew and Cody (Beat Hart Dynasty on SD), Kane (Destroyed Undertaker on SD), Big Show (Knocked out Punk on SD) and most notably, Randy Orton (Put all 6-Pack Competitors through a table on RAW). So could this be something new? Or is it just a one-time, surprise deal? And do you prefer this over opposite momentum?
 
I would prefer that they mix both in which would really keep surprising people. But I personally prefer opposite momentum because if someone goes into a match with a lot of momentum and wins I find that it makes things obvious and that it makes the person who wins way too strong (which tends to annoy me).
 
I caught on to their method quickly after I began to watch wrestling. It has always been that you could usually predict who would win based on who had the most momentum going into the ppv. And like you said, the one with the most momentum USUALLY loses at the ppv.

I think it is a good thing to have it the other way around or even have the one with the most momentum to actually win. It keeps things fresh and unpredictable.
 
I actually noticed this too, I think it was after the Miz and Danielson I thought to myself, wow Miz got basically bitched out every raw leading up to the PPV by Danielson, and then he loses clean, to be though honestly it was a nice change of pace. The only match I had a strong feeling that the person with the momentum leading up to the PPV would win was Kane vs Taker. I felt like with that match if Taker went over it wouldve completely ruined anything that feud was supposed to have givin us, and truely wouldve killed Kanes character once and for all so i am very happy i was right about that match lol.
 
Yea this was very noticeable and quite odd. The rules of opposite momentum are scientifically proven and infallible. But last night just ignored them completely. While it did freshen things up due to unpredictability, it also made a few people look a little weak. The whole idea of opposite momentum is to not have anyone lose to much steam after taking the ppv loss. But as the OP already stated, Orton was the only one left standing on the last Raw with all his opponents and all of Nexus laid out after cleanly defeating John Cena. There's no way a guy with so much momentum should pick up a ppv win in theory at least. It just makes him seem too powerful.

Then Daniel Bryan managed to take Miz's championship after making both him and Riley tap in embarassing fashion. Now the match itself definitely didn't make Miz look weak in any way. But looking at the whole situation it does make it seem like the "rookie" Bryan has his number and I'm not sure how they'll segue him into the main event with that. Then The Hart Dynasty looked awful with how they lost to a tag team with practically no experience teaming together on Smackdown! then being the first eliminated at the ppv. Now I'm watching Raw and both these guys suck so hard on the mic here on commentary that I don't ever want to see them again. But yes last night was just a strange ppv and threw my predictions all off.
 
Just because the match is at a PPV doesn't mean it's a blow-off match to the feud so it's really irrelevant. Likewise the storyline may dictate the momentum to continue for a while longer in the event of an injury, firing, etc. None of what you mention is that much of an about face. Lastly sometimes the momentum carries and the guy wins, simple as that.
 
The key word is misdirection. It's the reason storylines are in such a state of flux in WWE today and why the creative team's efforts are paying off like never before.

Arguments can definitely be made that the wrestler with the momentum loses at the PPV; there are many examples. But then, there are plenty of times the opposite is true. For example, Randy Orton went into the last PPV with all the momentum in the world, having destroyed everyone at the close of last week's RAW. Using the theory of reverse momentum, I would have thought that anyone but Randy would win the title...... but he won it.

Wrestling has historically been about "good guys" vs "bad guys" but we don't really know anymore which category to put people in. Randy Orton is bad.... or is he? He gets cheered now, but even as he fights against heels..... he sometimes attacks a good guy. Edge would never help out a good guy.....except when he does.

In that brilliant program that led to the 5 on 5 match at Summerslam, the company used misdirection to keep us guessing. The five good guys were going to clean Nexus clock, but while it's usually the bad guys who have trouble presenting a united front, this time it was the good guys who couldn't stay together long enough to do the job. Edge and Jericho were siding with the good guys..... then they weren't..... then they were. Then, Jericho allied himself with the faces...... but still attacked Cena on RAW. Then, Edge & Jericho left the other three in the ring to face Nexus alone...... then came running back to help out.

Now, we're faced with another misdirection ploy. At the next PPV, Cena will join Nexus if he loses to Wade Barrett. But, if he beats Wade, Nexus is finished. In the past, Cena would win and Nexus would disband.

Today, who knows? With misdirection, Barrett may lose but Nexus will stay together. Or maybe Cena will lose but after he joins Nexus, he will destroy them from within. Or maybe this will be the long-awaited heel turn for Cena. The possibilities are endless. Who knows?

Misdirection. It's like a breath of fresh air......and makes it impossible to define whether momentum or reverse-momentum applies in a given situation.
 
Not really to me... see there's Rivalry ending pay per views and then there's blow over pay per views. Night of Champions, to me, was the latter.

Everybody who needed to win in these matches did. Look at it this way...

Now The Miz knows that Daniel Bryan is good, and now he's going to be hostile to taking his title back... which is better than the already WWE pro beating Daniel Bryan and going "I told you that you weren't ready"

As for Orton and Sheamus, Orton's looked weak for every pay per view save Mania... It's the first time Orton's gotten a clean win since mania so now this brings his momentum at PPVs back.

HIAC will be a rivalry ending PPV or maybe another blow over, I don't know yet, but in the end NOC was definitely the blow over PPV.

It's kind of like the No Mercy when Lesnar beat Taker in the cell match. Sure, Lesnar won, but the momentum was still Taker.

Plus, going into NOC, Orton and Cena were the only two faces in a heel dominant match. In those statistics, the lesser over turns the higher... so match wise, the heels had momentum, same thing goes for the Riley and Miz situation... and in a way you could count the divas match as the lumberjills outnumbered layla and mccool.
 
WWE like to keep us guessing, which is why the commentating team are told to try to make us think something will happen, when the opposite is about to occur.

I don't like knowing that if a wrestler is pushed as the favourite or a sure-fire winner during the match then he will lose, just as I don't like knowing if he is made out to be better than his opponent then he will be guaranteed to come out with the win. It is a much better idea to keep the fans on the edge of their seats by mixing it up a bit, with sometimes the favoruite winning, sometimes there is an upset.

It is just smart and keeps the suspense going, as nobody knows who is going to win
 

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