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Unscripted '12: Chris K.O - Open Invitational Discussion

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The White Knight of WZCW has drawn a line in the sand and requested that whoever wants to cross it has the right to challenge him to a match for honour and marksmanship. Chris K.O. is hoping to engage in a bit of friendly competition and to keep his skills sharp. The wrestler has been quoted as saying "We are approaching the most unpredictable PPV in the company. Unpredictably, WZCW's White Knight did not advance to the main event of Unscripted, but still would like to entertain the fans and keep his blade sharp for when the next battle will occur. I welcome anyone on the roster to face me in the ring, and show the forces that be against me, that my will as a knight, does not end as quick as light." Who will step up and challenge the brave wrestler? Or has Chris K.O. set himself to fall once more?

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I'll be interested to see who challenges. Most of the fed seems to be against K.O. and this at the moment, which is understandable. I do think it has the potential for some interesting matchups though.

Constantine

If Constantine challenges him, K.O. will be in some trouble. Constantine seems to be back in stride and he can be one of the best in the fed when he's focused. Not to mention he has a legit grudge against K.O. considering what happened on Meltdown. Constantine would have been a tough opponent for K.O. no matter what, but Constantine with a purpose and seeking revenge makes me believe K.O. will be wishing he hadn't made this open challenge or got in Constantine's way if Constantine challenges him.

Justin Cooper

A bit of a darkhorse and someone who doesn't get talked about all that much. He's quite accomplished in the midcard, with his Mayhem and Elite X title reigns but has had trouble getting out of his position on the card. He's had success but seems like he gets lost in the shuffle a lot, a win against K.O. here could change that and give him a boost out of the midcard if he can sustain the momentum from a win like this.

Le Gentleman Masque, Beard, Jacoby Capone, Darren Bull

I feel bad lumping them all together but basically all 4 men have the same thing to gain by challenging K.O.. A win against K.O. could give them all a pretty big win to move up the cards. Beard and Mask have a nice future in the tag division but both are capable enough to make it on their own if they choose to. Bull and Capone while completely different in character are in the same position at the moment as they have nothing to their name at this point. Bull is at times the joke of the fed and claims to be fine with that, but I'm sure he'd rather be taken seriously and a win here will do just that. Capone is good but he needs something to avoid getting caught in the lower card rut guys can get into.

In the end I'd bank on Constantine challenging and winning. K.O. is good but has been in a bit of a lull these and has lost his momentum since beating Ty, Constantine on the other hand is a bull seeing red, he wants his main event spot and the title and I don't see anyone capable of stopping him. K.O. delayed the inevitable and Constantine will get his revenge.
 
How about no one?

That way Chris KO can use either the "everyone is scared of me" or the "no one respects me" approach as the starting point of a heel turn...

And because people will have RPed, have KO stomp backstage and attack Constantine, Cooper or someone else and force them into a match.
 
I believe Chris K.O will be challenged by a mediocre crossword puzzle, the clues he doesnt get are "over" and "as a face"
 
Still don't understand why K.O. versus Constantine wasn't just booked instead, a win against Chris for Beard, Gentlemen, etc. but I just don't think that's going to happen.

Should have had a dark match battle royal open challenge thingy.
 
My two titles say this should be the Rev. Cooper open challenge. Why would anyone want to face this guy?
 
Really looking forward to seeing how this match will pan out.

I think it's pretty obvious that Constantine is going to try his hand in this match and if he is chosen to take on Chris KO, then we are looking at a good match for everyone involved. Constantine will be looking for some swift retribution against the man who scuppered his chances of winning the world heavyweight championship. Chris KO, on the other hand, will be looking to turn his fortunes around and a win over a resurgent Constantine could be the answer to all of his prayers, perhaps also getting some of those critics off of his back.

Then again, it's not as clear cut as that. Anyone can bring an RP to this match and get the win. I think what is interesting is that Chris KO has a great deal to lose and not a great deal to gain with most of the big time players already tied up elsewhere. Nevertheless, this should be a good match.
 
Really looking forward to seeing how this match will pan out.

I think it's pretty obvious that Constantine is going to try his hand in this match and if he is chosen to take on Chris KO, then we are looking at a good match for everyone involved. Constantine will be looking for some swift retribution against the man who scuppered his chances of winning the world heavyweight championship. Chris KO, on the other hand, will be looking to turn his fortunes around and a win over a resurgent Constantine could be the answer to all of his prayers, perhaps also getting some of those critics off of his back.

Then again, it's not as clear cut as that. Anyone can bring an RP to this match and get the win. I think what is interesting is that Chris KO has a great deal to lose and not a great deal to gain with most of the big time players already tied up elsewhere. Nevertheless, this should be a good match.

I'd like to know what KO has to lose in this match? He has been on a major decline since he beat Ty, probably because he doesn't have Ty to work off any more. With not a single achievement to his name KO has nothing to lose here. All the guy can do is gain something with a win. At this point a victory over someone like The Beard would do him the world of good.

KO vs. Constantine isn't a big deal, it's simply the KFAD facing a lesser opponent. KO isn't a main event player. Sure he beat Ty but look what happened when Ty was no longer around to be the focus point of his work. Look at how far he fell without the guy that helped build him.

Since beating Ty you cannot claim that KO has not been a failure. He's done nothing since retiring one of the greats in this federation. Two cycles later and KO is without an opponent and an open challenge that many don't think he deserves. I'm sure Constantine will get the nod because it's the way things are being pushed, if so I hope he wins. I'd like to see what happens once KO loses.
 
I'd like to know what KO has to lose in this match? He has been on a major decline since he beat Ty, probably because he doesn't have Ty to work off any more. With not a single achievement to his name KO has nothing to lose here. All the guy can do is gain something with a win. At this point a victory over someone like The Beard would do him the world of good.

KO vs. Constantine isn't a big deal, it's simply the KFAD facing a lesser opponent. KO isn't a main event player. Sure he beat Ty but look what happened when Ty was no longer around to be the focus point of his work. Look at how far he fell without the guy that helped build him.

Since beating Ty you cannot claim that KO has not been a failure. He's done nothing since retiring one of the greats in this federation. Two cycles later and KO is without an opponent and an open challenge that many don't think he deserves. I'm sure Constantine will get the nod because it's the way things are being pushed, if so I hope he wins. I'd like to see what happens once KO loses.

Well, you have to consider that Chris KO can still bank on being the guy who retired Ty Burna. And whilst that might run out eventually, it definitely still holds some weight around my books. Think about this, if someone is able to beat KO, then they could easily state that they were good enough to beat Ty Burna at his best.

Whilst KO certainly hasn't set the heather alight, he's still a scalp that anyone could claim and one that I could certainly use in any future RP. The same should go for anyone down the roster that wants to make an impression right now.

If KO should happen to lose to a member of the roster that perhaps wouldn't have gotten the chance ofherwise, there goes his reputation. Or what's left of it anyway.

It's definitely an RP worth writing.
 
Well, you have to consider that Chris KO can still bank on being the guy who retired Ty Burna. And whilst that might run out eventually, it definitely still holds some weight around my books. Think about this, if someone is able to beat KO, then they could easily state that they were good enough to beat Ty Burna at his best.

Ty wasn't at his best by that point. He had lost to Kurtesy at Kingdom Come and had his empire crumbling around him. If anything KO beat a broken man and not the version that was beaten by JGlass. You could make a case that the JGlass victory is worth more because he did it when Ty was unstoppable. I don't think Ty won many matches at the time KO beat him.

Whilst KO certainly hasn't set the heather alight, he's still a scalp that anyone could claim and one that I could certainly use in any future RP. The same should go for anyone down the roster that wants to make an impression right now.

As I've said beating KO isn't that much of an achievement because he has very to show for his time here. One victory over a broken Ty doesn't scream main event superstar..

If KO should happen to lose to a member of the roster that perhaps wouldn't have gotten the chance ofherwise, there goes his reputation. Or what's left of it anyway.

I doubt anyone other than you is going to get the chance. I think once KO loses here they should feed him to X. Give X the push to the top that was going to go to KO.

It's definitely an RP worth writing.

Nope.
 
Definitely push X to the moon. That's what I've taken from that.

I concur.
 
As I've said beating KO isn't that much of an achievement because he has very to show for his time here.
The reality of the situation is irrelevant. What's important is the story you're able to tell in spite of a feeble, unideal win-loss record.
 
Well, you have to consider that Chris KO can still bank on being the guy who retired Ty Burna.

Saboteur got over without banking on being the guy that ended Ty Burna's streak, which I'd argue was a much more surprising victory. You need more than one big win to get over in this joint: you need a character people want to read about. People hear "insane assassin," or "blaxploitation parody," or "man dressed up as a robot named S.H.I.T. that is trained to be a professional wrestler, or maybe he is a robot, it's not always clear, but either way it's hilarious," and their ears perk up. People hear "white knight" and they insert their fingers in their mouth. Nobody likes a white knight, except maybe shattered dreams, and he's not here.
 
Whilst I do question the logic in giving KO an open challenge, I still stand by the notion that he is worthwhile facing and even more worthwhile beating if you can.
 
For my money Chris K.O., at his core, is a good character and has a very good writer behind him. The White Knight gimmick just isn't working for me, or most anyone else it seems.
 
I think the White Knight thing can work it's just that with the AoC gone, what exactly does WZCW need saving from? Yeah there is heels like Holmes and Callahan but nobody big enough that has a huge grasp on the company, there's Bateman I guess but like others have said with the whole Holmes/Dave thing feuding with an NPC with no one on one payoff is stupid.
 
I don't refute that he should turn heel. Or at least ditch the white Knight gimmick. It worked against Ty because it made sense. At this point though, what is he really rallying against? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That said, if creative give him some cause to rally behind, he might make it work out like he did against Ty.

The best idea in this thread was Barbosa's in turning KO heel.
 
Regarding the match itself, I like the idea of a face issuing an open challenge at Unscripted, even if he's a not so over face. It's different from the usual arrogant heel who thinks he can squash anyone. (See John Constantine Unscripted 2010) I think depending on who is chosen to face Chris K.O. this match could go in a lot of different ways.
 
I'm not going to dispute the lack of success K.O. has had the last few weeks, but I do think that Kermit deserves a nod for writing a face character to help out his fellow creative members. The main event and upper midcard scene is so clogged with heels right now, turning K.O. back to that would just further add to the problem.
 
Creative need main level faces and Triple X is not holding a title. The two should just connect like a puzzle. It's not that hard to fix. Plus you have JGlass in the bank and Doc chilling in the corner.
 
X is still only one guy and J and Doc work better as a team. This PPV will be the 4th meeting between Strikeforce and Saxoteur in a straight 2v2 contest and the record stands at 1 win for us and 2 for them, plus in matches we have both been in they have a win and a no contest. Singles wise they have yet to beat us.

Alas we are getting off topic.
 
I'd like to know what KO has to lose in this match? He has been on a major decline since he beat Ty, probably because he doesn't have Ty to work off any more. With not a single achievement to his name KO has nothing to lose here. All the guy can do is gain something with a win. At this point a victory over someone like The Beard would do him the world of good.

Or lose the win? What does a challenger have to lose in a title match? Nothing. They can only gain the title by the win. A wrestler can always lose momentum no matter where they are at on the card.

Concerning the match, would you rather have everyone thrown into a random battle royal dark match like we do all the time? You complain about beating someone like The Beard doing nothing for me if I were to win, but yet you arrogantly scoff the idea in the WZCW Discussion thread and say you will vote for Darren Bull. Fine, use logic and vote someone who Chris could actually gain from beating.

KO vs. Constantine isn't a big deal, it's simply the KFAD facing a lesser opponent. KO isn't a main event player. Sure he beat Ty but look what happened when Ty was no longer around to be the focus point of his work. Look at how far he fell without the guy that helped build him.

So then what was Holmes vs. Chris? Nothing was on the line and there was nothing to gain or lose. It was implied behind the scenes that the winner would be shoved into the Main Event, but it was never publicly acknowledged.

So here are the two scenarios we have:

A. Holmes wanting to fight Chris because he stopped him from buying the company.
B. Constantine wanting to fight Chris because he stopped him from cashing-in with an added element of surprise if people want to vote that way.

Do you know how many times Kurtesy beat Holmes (at least once)? Do you know how many times I have beat Kurtesy (twice)? Do you know that Kurtesy beat Titus (twice, once with an RP where he was naked for most of it), Barbosa, and Ty Burna at KC?

How can you sit on a stool and judge that I am some dirt level opponent who can't even carry their jock strap? I have never been one to brag or even boast about my accomplishments, but there is only so much crap I can take that is being poured on my character.


Since beating Ty you cannot claim that KO has not been a failure. He's done nothing since retiring one of the greats in this federation. Two cycles later and KO is without an opponent and an open challenge that many don't think he deserves. I'm sure Constantine will get the nod because it's the way things are being pushed, if so I hope he wins. I'd like to see what happens once KO loses.

I have lost to Holmes (who is in his prime), Titus (who could have the record of Ty Burna if he was consistent enough), and Steamboat Ricky. Jeez, pardon me for losing to three rookies and being a complete failure. Do you know many losing streaks people go through here, but are still some of the best RPers in the fed? If you didn't know that, a prime example is glaring at you. I can remember just a few months ago when Titus was half-assing RPs, and now he has a world title shot at Unscripted (and he deserves it). What does he have to lose from that? Oh, nothing. He already has a couple world titles under his belt, main-evented KC, and won the LL. See how pointless your trivial "what does he have to lose from this" argument is.

Ty wasn't at his best by that point. He had lost to Kurtesy at Kingdom Come and had his empire crumbling around him. If anything KO beat a broken man and not the version that was beaten by JGlass. You could make a case that the JGlass victory is worth more because he did it when Ty was unstoppable. I don't think Ty won many matches at the time KO beat him.

Let me lay out a couple things for you. First, JGlass deserved the win, but I would hardly equate a mid-cycle RP against a rookie to a RP that headlined a PPV, was against the man he had built towards facing for almost a year, and was his swan song. I'll let you take a guess at what RP Ty spent more time on. You are a fool if you think that me winning at Redemption means less than Saboteurs spontaneous win. No offense to Saboteur, but the build was huge for our match and was a culmination of one of the best stories ever in WZCW.

Go back and read both Ty's and my own RP in that thread. There was no "deflated" Ty. It was definitely was better than the average RP that has to do with breakfast items.



As I've said beating KO isn't that much of an achievement because he has very to show for his time here. One victory over a broken Ty doesn't scream main event superstar..

I never said it did, nor did anyone else say it did. I got a shot at the Battle Royal and narrowly missed it. So, now I have a thrown together open challenge because I didn't have a match on the card. The announcement got a few sentences and wasn't even made out to be very big. I do not know how people think that an open-challenge segment is some prestige award that only a HoF worthy poster deserves. Maybe I am missing something there. I suggested it after I lost and it was picked up. I didn't push the "glorious" open-challenge segment. I mentioned it once among other options for Chris at the PPV, and that one was picked up. It will curtain-jerk the show and somehow Chris is unworthy to do that.

Side note* Because it is worth pointing out, I had no involvement in inputting Chris as the man to stop the KFAD briefcase. I logged in and I saw that it was taking place. However, I fully support it with the pieces that we had to use.

I am fine with people thinking that I need to go heel or change my gimmick, but don't shit on my character. I would never do that to any of you. I have always been soft-spoken around here, and honestly the constant nit-picking of my character is draining me. So much that it is just making things flat out unappealing. Some of you talk so much about putting so much effort into your work and how you all feel entitled for creative to bloom it out on shows. Well, creative members put a lot of work into their characters as well. Are we barred from enjoying what we do?

Alright, my rant is over.
 
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Or lose the win? What does a challenger have to lose in a title match? Nothing. They can only gain the title by the win. A wrestler can always lose momentum no matter where they are at on the card.

Concerning the match, would you rather have everyone thrown into a random battle royal dark match like we do all the time? You complain about beating someone like The Beard doing nothing for me if I were to win, but yet you arrogantly scoff the idea in the WZCW Discussion thread and say you will vote for Darren Bull. Fine, use logic and vote someone who Chris could actually gain from beating.



So then what was Holmes vs. Chris? Nothing was on the line and there was nothing to gain or lose. It was implied behind the scenes that the winner would be shoved into the Main Event, but it was never publicly acknowledged.

So here are the two scenarios we have:

A. Holmes wanting to fight Chris because he stopped him from buying the company.
B. Constantine wanting to fight Chris because he stopped him from cashing-in with an added element of surprise if people want to vote that way.

Do you know how many times Kurtesy beat Holmes (at least once)? Do you know how many times I have beat Kurtesy (twice)? Do you know that Kurtesy beat Titus (twice, once with an RP where he was naked for most of it), Barbosa, and Ty Burna at KC?

How can you sit on a stool and judge that I am some dirt level opponent who can't even carry their jock strap? I have never been one to brag or even boast about my accomplishments, but there is only so much crap I can take that is being poured on my character.




I have lost to Holmes (who is in his prime), Titus (who could have the record of Ty Burna if he was consistent enough), and Steamboat Ricky. Jeez, pardon me for losing to three rookies and being a complete failure. Do you know many losing streaks people go through here, but are still some of the best RPers in the fed? If you didn't know that, a prime example is glaring at you. I can remember just a few months ago when Titus was half-assing RPs, and now he has a world title shot at Unscripted (and he deserves it). What does he have to lose from that? Oh, nothing. He already has a couple world titles under his belt, main-evented KC, and won the LL. See how pointless your trivial "what does he have to lose from this" argument is.



Let me lay out a couple things for you. First, JGlass deserved the win, but I would hardly equate a mid-cycle RP against a rookie to a RP that headlined a PPV, was against the man he had built towards facing for almost a year, and was his swan song. I'll let you take a guess at what RP Ty spent more time on. You are a fool if you think that me winning at Redemption means less than Saboteurs spontaneous win. No offense to Saboteur, but the build was huge for our match and was a culmination of one of the best stories ever in WZCW.

Go back and read both Ty's and my own RP in that thread. There was no "deflated" Ty. It was definitely was better than the average RP that has to do with breakfast items.





I never said it did, nor did anyone else say it did. I got a shot at the Battle Royal and narrowly missed it. So, now I have a thrown together open challenge because I didn't have a match on the card. The announcement got a few sentences and wasn't even made out to be very big. I do not know how people think that an open-challenge segment is some prestige award that only a HoF worthy poster deserves. Maybe I am missing something there. I suggested it after I lost and it was picked up. I didn't push the "glorious" open-challenge segment. I mentioned it once among other options for Chris at the PPV, and that one was picked up. It will curtain-jerk the show and somehow Chris is unworthy to do that.

Side note* Because it is worth pointing out, I had no involvement in inputting Chris as the man to stop the KFAD briefcase. I logged in and I saw that it was taking place. However, I fully support it with the pieces that we had to use.

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I am fine with people thinking that I need to go heel or change my gimmick, but don't shit on my character. I would never do that to any of you. I have always been soft-spoken around here, and honestly the constant nit-picking of my character is draining me. So much that it is just making things flat out unappealing. Some of you talk so much about putting so much effort into your work and how you all feel entitled for creative to bloom it out on shows. Well, creative members put a lot of work into their characters as well. Are we barred from enjoying what we do?

Alright, my rant is over.

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