Undertaker In The Way

[BOSS Productions]

Even though a lot of people love the Undertaker as do I isn't it kind of dumb that Undertaker always returns in the same fashion as of late and attacks whoever the World Champion is at the time.I mean think about:

Royal Rumble 2006-Undertaker Scares Kurt Angle and Challenges him For World Title.
Unforgiven 2007-Returns Challenges Batista later on for World Title.
Summerslam 2008-Gets The Main Event Spotlight and returns in A HIAC Match
Summerslam 2009-Returns Once Again and Steals the Show again and goes for the World Title.

I mean there is nothing wrong with the Deadman he is amazing and really great to watch but why is it whenever he returns it leads him into a World Title match.Now I understand that Jeff Hardy leaving caused his current push but why not have Matt Hardy or John Morrison take the spot it would make more sense especially since JR has been saying MATT HAS PINNED PUNK !! MATT HAS PINNED THE NUMBER 1 CONTENDER !! or JoMo him and Punk have a been feuding on SD! so why not push him into main event status.I mean at least those two guys have had recent history with Punk and another reason why Takers Returned ticked me of was he returned after an awesome ladder match where I was at a point where I did not care who won it was so amazing and just seeing that Swanton of the Ladder just made my day and then Undertaker returns and the fans forget about the match and the PPV stealing match is forgotten due to Undertakers return.I also have to agree with Haymen when he said it made no sense to have Taker chokeslam Punk who won the match fairly , hell it would make more sense to chokeslam Orton. With that being all said The Point of this Thread is to post your thoughs and how you feel about Undertaker returning every year and always getting randomly put in the World Title picture.With no build up whatsoever Also do not say JoMo and Matt aren't ready for the main event because they are and also do not hate on this thread I am not bashing Undertaker I love the man but it does not make sense to put him in the World Title Picture time after time and tell me who you think he should feud with on any brand RAW , SmackDown or even ECW.Post your thoughts.Also do not say it is because he is a draw or due to lack of talent. He was pushed on several occasions where WWE had plenty of talent like 2006 they had Angle,Orton,Rey,Batista,JBL,Booker T,ETC... and now a days Undertaker is not that big of a draw compared to John Cena , Jeff Hardy,Batista,Triple H.
Move If Necessary which should not be the case as Undertaker has had many Cross Brand Feuds.
Not To Be Confused with The Fourm Named :Undertaker: Just Retire Already. I do not want him to retire and this thread is different as it is saying Why he is always pushed the way he is randomly and who you think he should feud with no discussion of Retirement here

 

[Jonno]

I always love Takers return, and have been looking forward to it since Mania. I know its not exactly original and sometimes does't make all that much sense, but c'mon man, its Taker we are talking about. The Deadman still has alot of great matches to offer and given his status in the WWE he deserves being the in the main event. Guys like Morrison and Hardy have the whole rest of their careers to have their title matches and main event, I say just enjoy The Undertaker while you can, because in a year or two he may not be around anymore.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Why fix something that isn't broken? The Undertaker is one of those wrestlers who can gain a HUGE crowd reaction simply by standing in the ring unexpectedly. He's all about aiming straight for the top, and what better way than to scare the current champion? The Undertaker, no matter how much time he has off, is always going to return into the Main Event. It's almost like it'd halt his momentum if he was anywhere else. He's the Phenom - the wrestler who can literally scare the hell out of any wrestler he goes after. He's a huge draw. I'm fine with the way he returns.

 

[BOSS Productions]

I always love Takers return, and have been looking forward to it since Mania. I know its not exactly original and sometimes does't make all that much sense, but c'mon man, its Taker we are talking about. The Deadman still has alot of great matches to offer and given his status in the WWE he deserves being the in the main event. Guys like Morrison and Hardy have the whole rest of their careers to have their title matches and main event, I say just enjoy The Undertaker while you can, because in a year or two he may not be around anymore.

Your opinion is true and I am not necessarily saying I want him out of the World Title Picture but at least build up his return and give us a reason to why he attacked CM Punk otherwise it will not make sense and I love The Undertaker it is just that his returns are so random and undeserving at some points you do not have HBK returning from an injury and suddenly getting pushed into the World Title Picture. It would make more sense to continue the Taker VS HBK feud that is where they left of.

 

[BOSS Productions]

Why fix something that isn't broken? The Undertaker is one of those wrestlers who can gain a HUGE crowd reaction simply by standing in the ring unexpectedly. He's all about aiming straight for the top, and what better way than to scare the current champion? The Undertaker, no matter how much time he has off, is always going to return into the Main Event. It's almost like it'd halt his momentum if he was anywhere else. He's the Phenom - the wrestler who can literally scare the hell out of any wrestler he goes after. He's a huge draw. I'm fine with the way he returns.

As am I but even though he can draw his returns take away from an amazing match and also HBK has the main event appeal to but he is stuck with DX and I know he does not want a world title but he can have a great feud with Orton or Cena.

 

[HBK-aholic]

As am I but even though he can draw his returns take away from an amazing match and also HBK has the main event appeal to but he is stuck with DX and I know he does not want a world title but he can have a great feud with Orton or Cena.

Stuck with DX? DX are highly entertaining and one of my favourite parts of the show. Shawn is currently helping the younger stars for the future - Legacy were booked as a real threat to them and treated as such throughout the match. He's also helping give the tag division some much needed credibility. What could be gained out of a ME feud for him? He's had some amazing matches with Cena already and now he's helping out lower down the card. People would complain if he was suddenly in the ME.

The Undertaker still wants to be champion, and could still do it, realistically. He is always booked as a really strong wrestler, and I think people WANT to see him in the title scene, as opposed to wrestling matches with the likes of Shelton Benjamin.

 

[BOSS Productions]

Stuck with DX? DX are highly entertaining and one of my favourite parts of the show. Shawn is currently helping the younger stars for the future - Legacy were booked as a real threat to them and treated as such throughout the match. He's also helping give the tag division some much needed credibility. What could be gained out of a ME feud for him? He's had some amazing matches with Cena already and now he's helping out lower down the card. People would complain if he was suddenly in the ME.

The Undertaker still wants to be champion, and could still do it, realistically. He is always booked as a really strong wrestler, and I think people WANT to see him in the title scene, as opposed to wrestling matches with the likes of Shelton Benjamin.

I get what your saying and I have nothing against DX or anything just in comparison between them both.I do not have anything against Undertaker in the main event either but its kind of obvious that he is only pushed now because Jeff Hardy left and not only that lets say his injury lasted longer John Morrison would most likely step up but since Undertaker returned earlier he got the push but couldn't he get it in a different fashion at least get the mic after the Chokeslam and say Punk " Insert Text Here" other than just returning after and amazing match and attacking a man who won the match fairly and hasn't even mentioned Undertaker once.

 

[HBK-aholic]

That's just The Undertaker - he doesn't NEED to say anything. It's one of the reasons his character is so great; why he is so feared. As for why he went after someone who won cleanly, well, isn't it obvious? He's going after the title. The wrestler to him is irrelevant and I love how you see that with him. He wants nothing but the title and will kill anyone who gets in his way. I usually love it when feuds get personal, but the sheer need for the title here is great. I'm not sure how you could give a title more prestige.

 

[ProWrestling'sBrain]

I actually disagree with Heyman's statement. If it were someone else then maybe I would understand however did Heyman forget 'Taker is no longer the American Badass? He is a demon from hell. He is not supposed to be some good guy minding his own business; leaving everyone alone waiting for someone to victimize him. A demon goes out and finds his victims, not the other way around. It's part of The Undertaker's character. If you don't agree with that then how about this; holding a World championship belt is pretty much holding a bull's eye over your shoulder whether you're a hero or a villain. Based on their characters it would make more sense to have The Undertaker approach CM Punk first rather than the other way around, dontcha' think?

Personally I'd like to wait and push John Morrison in the end of the year by having him win the 2010 Royal Rumble. However I think the WWE should focus on building CM Punk even more as a credible main event superstar facing other established main event wrestlers (I still feel CM Punk is establishing himself). A CM Punk vs John Morrison feud would not feel fresh at all. Didn't they wrestle 3 times recently? And didn't they have a feud a couple years ago? It's definitely not something I would care to see anytime soon but sometime in the future when CM Punk is even more of a credible main eventer and John Morrison is pretty steam hot so this way their new encounter would actually mean something.

 

[Prince Punk]

With Jeff Hardy Leaving this is the best thing the WWE can do. Your looking at this all wrong its not Matt Hardy and Morrison that are being held down as The Undertaker coming back is going to help them in the long run. Taker has a habbit of who ever he feuds with gets very over he even got JBL over as WWE Champion (Jk JBL is alright with me) but the fact is he is going to put CM Punk on true main event statues by giving him an established star to feud with which gives hardy and morrison a little extra time to get into that almost main event then feud with punk and he can bring them up creating three solid main eventers instead of three are they upper midcard or main eventers...

 

[BOSS Productions]

I actually disagree with Heyman's statement. If it were someone else then maybe I would understand however did Heyman forget 'Taker is no longer the American Badass? He is a demon from hell. He is not supposed to be some good guy minding his own business; leaving everyone alone waiting for someone to victimize him. A demon goes out and finds his victims, not the other way around. It's part of The Undertaker's character. If you don't agree with that then how about this; holding a World championship belt is pretty much holding a bull's eye over your shoulder whether you're a hero or a villain. Based on their characters it would make more sense to have The Undertaker approach CM Punk first rather than the other way around, dontcha' think?

Personally I'd like to wait and push John Morrison in the end of the year by having him win the 2010 Royal Rumble. However I think the WWE should focus on building CM Punk even more as a credible main event superstar facing other established main event wrestlers (I still feel CM Punk is establishing himself). A CM Punk vs John Morrison feud would not feel fresh at all. Didn't they wrestle 3 times recently? And didn't they have a feud a couple years ago? It's definitely not something would I care to see anytime soon but sometime in the future when CM Punk is even more of a credible main eventer and John Morrison is pretty steam hot so this way their new encounter would actually mean something.

Becca defeated me

But anyways if this is a submission match then doesn't that make CM Punk another one of Undertakers victims I am not that familiar with the Submission match concept is there DQ or Countout I forgot, If not Punk is screwed as that is the only way Punk can win, well anyways Undertaker only tapped once and he will most likely never do it again so he will just win the title again and that does not make Punk look good it makes him look like a Wrestler who got lucky yet again and once again his title reign has gone down the toilet with the rest of Punks crappy reigns and crappy defenses.

 

[Nate DaMac]

So let me get this straight, you want our opinion on the subject, but there's a bunch of shit we can't say? Well I'm going to anyway. John Morrison is NOT ready for the Main Event. He get's a very dismal reaction from the crowd and it wouldn't draw shit. Matt Hardy? A little better. Personally, I would rather see this than Punk vs Undertaker, but from a business standpoint, now that Jeff is gone, Taker is your best bet. He is the most over face on Smackdown, and that's who needs to be in the title picture.

 

[ProWrestling'sBrain]

Becca defeated me

But anyways if this is a submission match then doesn't that make CM Punk another one of Undertakers victims I am not that familiar with the Submission match concept is there DQ or Countout I forgot, If not Punk is screwed as that is the only way Punk can win, well anyways Undertaker only tapped once and he will most likely never do it again so he will just win the title again and that does not make Punk look good it makes him look like a Wrestler who got lucky yet again and once again his title reign has gone down the toilet with the rest of Punks crappy reigns and crappy defenses.

But some people makes it seem as if 'Taker hogs the championship to himself all the time which isn't the case. He was in the WWE for 19 years and he had around 2,000 title matches. Probably more shots than anyone else in WWE history yet he is only a 6 time champion and he only held the title twice in the past couple years, unlike Edge and Triple H who are sporting more championship reigns in a year than most will have in a lifetime. But CM Punk could always get disqualified and walk out as the champion so there are ways for CM Punk to get out of his match.

 

[BOSS Productions]

But some people makes it seem as if 'Taker hogs the championship to himself all the time which isn't the case. He was in the WWE for 19 years and he had around 2,000 title matches. Probably more shots than anyone else in WWE history yet he is only a 6 time champion and he only held the title twice in the past couple years, unlike Edge and Triple H who are sporting more championship reigns in a year than most will have in a lifetime. But CM Punk could always get disqualified and walk out as the champion so there are ways for CM Punk to get out of his match.

No I don't think Taker hogs the title its just that he returns at the most unexpected and unwanted times as you can see from the ladder match at Summerslam people were clapping at the end but when Undertaker returned no one gave a shit about the match anymore and now Summerslam will be remembered for Takers return and not an amazing ladder match.I think Undertaker should get a lot more world title runs but its just that he shouldn't be depended on up until this point he is close to retiring and WWE expects him to carry the brand on his shoulders maybe 10 years ago but certainly not now.Especially since he gets injured so often he just isn't capable of having a long World Title reign anymore and will just keep it for a month or so and lose the title , gets injured and that takes prestige from the World Title and makes Punk look bad at the same time.

 

[Workshop]

As much as I like Matt and Morrison, having either guy feud with Punk for the title would cut the already-low ratings in half. You can have Punk feud with an established guy, you can have Matt/Morrison feud with Edge, Hardy or 'Taker, but two barely-established guys feuding for the world title would definitely be bad for business.

A lot of people say 'Taker's attack on Punk made no sense, but I don't agree. Undertaker is the punisher of sins--CM Punk insulted his Creatures of the Night week in and week out, and did the same thing to Hardy that Edge did to 'Taker, but got none of the same heat from the announcers.

Putting 'Taker in the title picture at first establishes that, ever since the Kurt Angle incident, he's been going through this whole cycle of trying to be World Champion and keep the belt. I think he could return in some more-creative ways, but in this instance, halting Punk's wave of heel heat was the best way for the babyface to return.

 

[Moose70nyc]

Well as much as we all want to see Morrison and Matt Hardy run in with a program with CM Punk, it wont happen in the near future. I can definitely see Morrison over Hardy since he sees more of a reaction with the crowd, and the fact he is one of the best workers in WWE period. It would be more LOGICAL to go with Matt hardy, since Punk did make Jeff "leave" WWE, but I think Matt doesnt draw enough crowd momentum in his favor. Everyone sees matt as that mid carder who can be pushed to the top, but wont be. He is almost 35 now, and has suffered some injuries over the last couple years. He needs to stay healthy for quite a bit to get a main event push in my eyes.

On to Undertaker. Yes, we seen his same returns over and over the last few years, but the crowd still eats it up as well as all of us. Even though we expect it we still cheer it. The WWE took notice to it the first 2 or 3 times he returned, so why not use it again? It draws the crowd in and it makes money right? In my eyes NO ONE entertained me more than the Undertaker through out his entire career. And to top it off along with his great act, he can actually wrestle. He isnt afraid of big risks, and goes out there and gives it his all every time out. So I think its a good call to put Taker back in the main event scene right away, because with the departure of Jeff, and the injury to Edge, what other person on the SD roster has the drawing power of the Dead Man????

 

[SSJPhenom]

Come on people! How many threads are we going to make about Undertaker and his return to the main event? This will make about the fourth thread that I have posted in where I am going to have to defend 'Taker being in the main event scene.

I say it everytime....................He's the fucking Undertaker! Need there be more said?

Oh yea, like everybody else said, it's a formula that works, we love to see it. Hardy is gone, Edge is injured, Mysterio is suspended, Morrison/Matt Hardy aren't ready, Jericho is in the tag team division, and CM Punk needs to work with an established Main Eventor to get over as a believable champ. So who better than 'Taker?

Is that good enough?

 

[ccotreau1]

for me if it was anyone but the Undertaker or HBK I would 100% agree with you. But they are icons in the wrestling ring and future HOF'ers so I think not having them in the title hunt would be dishonorable for them.

 

[jason305]

The simple answer here is simply because he is the Deadman.He doesnt need a reason to be in the Main Event. Smackdown is his yard. On Smackdown he is the man to beat if you want to lay claim to be the top man in the business. Like Ric Flair always says:to be the man you gotta beat the man. Punk wants to be the top guy on Smackdown,and for him to do that his gotta go through the Deadman.Taker was just reminding him of that at Summerslam. Morrison will get his chance but as talented as he is,he needs to develop just a bit more. A good personal feud could do this and a Rumble win.I think he should win the Rumble and go on and deliver a breath taking performane at WM26 (but not win) just prove that thats where he deserves to be. Anyway thats the long answer. The short answer is thats the way the WWE booked it so deal with it.

 

[Klown_Karnage]

I think it should be touched on that The Undertaker seems to thrive on the element of surprise, and that return was definitely a surprise. As far as there being no buildup, that's...well that's sort of typical for him. Okay, perhaps not as typical that he would do something so directly confrontational as suddenly chokeslamming his future opponent to make that statement, but surely he's come close many times. I kind of like the fact he appeared with no buildup. It's part of his mystique and part of the "fear" he inspires in his opponents by them never knowing how or when he'll turn up.

Now, on a side note, I don't know if anybody else thought it just a little suggestive that 'Taker appeared right where Jeff Hardy had been lying and Jeff was perhaps quite casual as far as that element goes when Friday night hit. It gets one to thinking...is creative going to draw another connection between Hardy and 'Taker...like perhaps the two of them working together and having a mutual understanding when it came to that final note on Summerslam? After all, Jeff is one of the few that managed to publicly earn 'Taker's respect and at least during his American Badass days he was no stranger to working with the Hardys. Just a thought.

 

[samboisdead]

This is a simple answer. We live in a bad economy. The WWE as of late has been getting a lot of hits but a lot of misses to by pushing young guys. look at Kennedy they pushed him huge and got no real return from it. The Undertaker is a sure thing he always makes money. Plus doesnt his retirement tour start pretty soon?

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I think the WWE (surprisingly) knows what they're doing with The Undertaker, but let's look at this from two opposite sides. #1, what if Taker wins, then he wins. Everyone (WWE Universe that is) will be happy. He'll hold the title probably until The Rumble where he'd lose it in controversial fashion to say Jericho. This would be brought about by the return of Edge, who is actually trying to attack Jericho, but ends up costing Undertaker the title. This then would kinda set up another storyline. Seeing the past that Taker and Edge have had, Taker could blame Edge citing he's jealous. At this point, Jericho and Edge would revamp their feud (honestly, they didn't have one, but Edge would certainly bring this up). So at WM, Taker, Edge and Jericho would have a Triple Threat for the title. This would be the ultimate opportunity (no pun intended) for Taker to fight not only for the streak, but also the title. Taker wins it back and all is well for a few more months.

Senerio two: Punk wins, goes on a rant about all the others that wrestled Taker and lost, lost basically because of the fact they were drunk or on drugs or both. He'd preach on and on about being clean. Taker wouldn't necessarily be ushered out of the equation all together, but let's now insert John Morrison. Taker and Punk would battle for a few more weeks, maybe another month or two, while Morrison watches in the wings, so to speak. So by this time, Taker is not getting the belt, but he's still Taker, so he needs someone to feud with. So one Smackdown! there's the usual number one contender match between Morrison and Undertaker. Morrison somehow wins (let's say by outside interference by...Jericho or Big Show). This way Undertaker now has a reason to not constantly fight for the title. By the time this all rolls around, it's December or early January, just in time for the Rumble. Taker LOSES the Rumble due to a returning Edge (or dare I say, Kurt Angle lol), to which now Taker has a match for WM and Punk can enter WM as (dare I say again) the World Champion (unless they decide to put the title on Morrison for a month or two to test him out as champ) facing John Morrison. Does this make sense? See any flaws in this? If so, please let me know.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

The Undertaker's return is always something that I look forward to. Taker seems to always be out so a return is always in order. I don't feel that he's in the way just because he usually challenges the World Champion upon his return. It is not because I am biased, it is because it's almost never likely that he will win the title. The two times that Undertaker won the title was at Wrestlemania, so it NEEDED to happen in order to continue his streak.

The Undertaker is loyal to the WWE, and anytime he is needed for a fued, he's always willing to go with it. Whether it be someone he never fueded with in the past (Batista, Edge, Punk, etc.) or whether it's a rookie that Taker is trying to give a rub to (Heidenreich).

Title reigns are something that The Undertaker hasn't really had much of since the Brand Extentsion. Since then he's held the WWE Championship once and the World Heavyweight Championship twice. Both World Title reigns were ended prematurely due to injury and stripping, while the WWE Title reign wasn't too long. Since mid-2002, he's fueded with champions Brock Lesnar, J.B.L., Kurt Angle, Batista, Edge, and now C.M. Punk. He's only ended up winning the title from Batista and Edge, but as I said earlier, it was because of Wrestlemania.

So, just because The Undertaker is in the title scene. It doesn't mean he's in the way. He's usually challenging the champion in order to help them... not himself. As you can tell, I am a huge Undertaker mark. But everything I usually say about him is honest, same with every wrestler that I talk about. I love the guy, I love to see him winning the title, and I would LOVE to see him have a rather long reign (lasting atleast 4-7 months). That doesn't seem to likely, but we just have to see how long he has left in him.

 

[Chill]

I don't think The Undertaker is "in the way" so to speak, simply because he is only around for a while before he takes some time off again and so I never feel like it's overkill. Plus, as some have pointed out The Undertaker normally works with the champion in a 'chase' type role, in that he competes for and chases the title but doesn't always win it. I remember reading somewhere that the WWE felt that 'Taker was more useful challenging for the belt rather than actually being the champion for an extended period of time.

Also, I think it's a positive thing having The Undertaker return to feud with the champion because he is such a professional in the ring that whoever is the champion normally gets a great rub from working with him...look at Batista, The Undertaker helped carry them to a great match at 'Mania 23 (some called it the greatest match of the night and said it should have went on last, regardless that Batista lost I still feel that working with 'Taker made him a better performer...it's as if Batista raised his game becuase of the calliber of who he was facing). An argument could almost be made in that you haven't 'arrived' until you've had the 'Taker feud...

Therefore, I think that working with 'Taker will also do wonders for CM Punk. Don't get me wrong, Punk is doing some good stuff at the moment but he will be able to expand his WWE pallet with 'Taker and if he goes over him at Breaking Point (which I assume will happen) then Punk's status as a legit main eventer and champion will only be further cemented and that is, in my view a positive thing (assuming 'Taker puts him over of course). Surely though, Punk working with some one of The Undertaker's experience is ultimately a good thing for him and Smackdown?

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I don't believe for a second that UT has a problem putting Punk over. Look at the countless stars that Taker has put over in the years, some of which were already stars, and some were stars in the making. The thing is what will WWE do with Punk AFTER he goes over? Will he become another Edge persay, or another Mysterio???