UFC 168 LD - The Turd Ferguson Feels Like a Prophetic Ass thread

[Mighty NorCal]

Exactly. You're not doing anything special to cause the injury.

Im not, but weidman did

 

[klunderbunker]

So then its possible for this to happen if you preform the block correctly, and the person hits you in just the right spot?

Possible? Yes. However, I don't think it was technique that caused the injury. The leg could (not saying would) have snapped hitting Weidman's thigh if Weidman hadn't raised his leg. The check just happened to occur as it was breaking. Also I would think the leg breaking would be improper technique, as I can't imagine the leg breaking is the desired effect.

a bit of a hollow win, sure, but he still won because a move he performed being unexpectedly effective. If he punches someone just in the right way that it knocks their eye out or some crazy unusual shit, did he not win there either?

He did win, but that situation is a different kind of case.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Possible? Yes. However, I don't think it was technique that caused the injury. The leg could (not saying would) have snapped hitting Weidman's thigh if Weidman hadn't raised his leg. The check just happened to occur as it was breaking. Also I would think the leg breaking would be improper technique, as I can't imagine the leg breaking is the desired effect.

It could've, but it didnt. Wiedman's block resulted in the guy's leg breaking. You can say what may or may not happen, but unless we can bust out X-Ray vision and a time machine, its not really relevant.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

Another thing I heard last night: this is the second such instance that the announcers have ever seen (I'm assuming they mean just in UFC history). There have probably been over 1000 UFC fights since the organization was founded. In let's say 1000 fights, how many leg kicks do you think have been checked? 10,000? 20,000?

Out of all those kicks, two have resulted in this injury. That's 1/5000 times that this happens. I have a very hard time believing that something that happens 1/5000 times is something that has anything to do with technique, but rather a kick hitting a man's kneecap at the perfect angle at a very high rate of speed. Weidman raised his leg to block a kick, but I'm not going to buy an argument that there was any kind of technique or skill involved in injuring Silva's leg. It was pure chance and nothing else.

You've clearly never trained in or watched much Muay Thai before or you would realize how ridiculous of a statement you're making when you say there's no "kind of technique or skill involved with injuring Silva's leg"... The technique that Weidman employed last night is not commonly used because of the damage it can do to your own knee. The fact that he used it to check Silva's leg kick not once, but twice means that he definitely intended to use that technique, and even eluded to so in the post-fight press conference. Ray Longo himself has used that check technique... "It was pure chance and nothing else" can be said for every knock out if you want to be an ass about it, but people that have been following MMA for a long time will realize the technique involved in checking kicks, especially against a high-level Muay Thai expert like Silva.

Also, that's the second time it's happened in the UFC but this kind of injury happens a lot on the regional Pro MMA circuits, and especially in the amateur divisions where there's a discrepancy in skill between two of them.

-EDIT- nobody is saying that Weidman was intentionally trying to break Silva's leg, but that particular kick check is designed to damage the opponents leg. If he had thrown that kick at Weidman's thigh it would have had the same result as it did the two other times he successfully landed the kick before Weidman started checking. The leg break resulted because Silva's shinbone hit dead center on the hardest point of the knee, and if you watch Weidman he was coming forward with the block, which added further resistance. I'm sorry that you don't buy into high level fighters employing high level technique for more than just offense, but I hope if you enjoy the sport you'll learn as much about it as you have pro-wrestling.

 

[klunderbunker]

You've clearly never trained in or watched much Muay Thai before or you would realize how ridiculous of a statement you're making when you say there's no "kind of technique or skill involved with injuring Silva's leg"... The technique that Weidman employed last night is not commonly used because of the damage it can do to your own knee. The fact that he used it to check Silva's leg kick not once, but twice means that he definitely intended to use that technique, and even eluded to so in the post-fight press conference. Ray Longo himself has used that check technique... "It was pure chance and nothing else" can be said for every knock out if you want to be an ass about it, but people that have been following MMA for a long time will realize the technique involved in checking kicks, especially against a high-level Muay Thai expert like Silva.

Also, that's the second time it's happened in the UFC but this kind of injury happens a lot on the regional Pro MMA circuits, and especially in the amateur divisions where there's a discrepancy in skill between two of them.

-EDIT- nobody is saying that Weidman was intentionally trying to break Silva's leg, but that particular kick check is designed to damage the opponents leg. If he had thrown that kick at Weidman's thigh it would have had the same result as it did the two other times he successfully landed the kick before Weidman started checking. The leg break resulted because Silva's shinbone hit dead center on the hardest point of the knee, and if you watch Weidman he was coming forward with the block, which added further resistance. I'm sorry that you don't buy into high level fighters employing high level technique for more than just offense, but I hope if you enjoy the sport you'll learn as much about it as you have pro-wrestling.

I'm reminded of Tony Schiavone saying anyone who follows tournament karate knows how legitimate Eric Bischoff is.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

Throwing insults when you're clearly proven wrong is kind of silly, but just to throw a nail in the coffin I'll point out the differences between a normal leg kick check and the one that Weidman employed last night.

During a normal leg kick you're raising your leg in an arch to take pressure off of your lead leg, usually angling so the kick lands on your thigh.

The technique(which you apparently don't believe in defensive techique *rolls eyes*) that Weidman used was basically throwing caution to the wind and driving his own knee into the oncoming kick, which more times than not can be disasterous to oneself rather than the opponent. Had Silva landed higher on Weidman's knee, rather than the point, it would have likely shattered Weidman's leg instead considering the velocity that Andy was throwing those kicks with.

I'm sure you'll have some half-assed rebuttal instead of just saying "Wow, this guy knows what he's talking about", but nonetheless anyone else reading this and familiar with MT will realize I'm right.

 

[klunderbunker]

Throwing insults when you're clearly proven wrong is kind of silly, but just to throw a nail in the coffin I'll point out the differences between a normal leg kick check and the one that Weidman employed last night.

During a normal leg kick you're raising your leg in an arch to take pressure off of your lead leg, usually angling so the kick lands on your thigh.

The technique(which you apparently don't believe in defensive techique *rolls eyes*) that Weidman used was basically throwing caution to the wind and driving his own knee into the oncoming kick, which more times than not can be disasterous to oneself rather than the opponent. Had Silva landed higher on Weidman's knee, rather than the point, it would have likely shattered Weidman's leg instead considering the velocity that Andy was throwing those kicks with.

I'm sure you'll have some half-assed rebuttal instead of just saying "Wow, this guy knows what he's talking about", but nonetheless anyone else reading this and familiar with MT will realize I'm right.

Wasn't meant as an insult. Was meant that I'm not particularly going to read/respond to what you said because the percentage of people here with formal Muay Thai training is roughly the same as those capable of ordering in an Egyptian restaurant. I've heard expert after expert say that it was technique and I don't buy it. Simple as that.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I've heard expert after expert say that it was technique and I don't buy it. Simple as that.

Well. Alright then.

 

[klunderbunker]

Well. Alright then.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

A leg check and defense is as common in MMA as a collar and elbow tie up in Pro Wrestling. What happened to Silva was a freak accident and to me, nothing was solved as far as Weidman and Silva's concerned. Weidman clearly won the first round and probably had the second one, but they said the same thing in the Sonnen/Silva 1 match and what happened?

I had an eerie feeling something bad was going to happen in one of the two fights. Never would have thought of Silva being taken down by a leg check to the point of a compound fracture.