UFC 168 LD - The Turd Ferguson Feels Like a Prophetic Ass thread

[MizisAwesome]

I think you know why it's in spoilers.

*Slyfox note: And if you don't, it's a picture of the gruesome injury suffered by Anderson Silva tonight. NOT for the squeamish.*

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[Mighty NorCal]

Her "family" in this case being some crazy Armenian guy

whats the story there??

 

[MizisAwesome]

Here's a better shot. Same thing, not for the squeamish.

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fwmi1mLjZW...Jg/s1600/6.gif

Also, anyone actually know the backstory with Rousey? I guess she likes to be a heel, but it seems like as champ with so long between fights you'd choose sponsors over looking like a prick.

 

[Da Prophet]

Weidman is probably not going to get the respect he should because of this win. First fight people said it was Anderson's fault for playing around inside the cage and this time it was Anderson breaking his leg.

 

[Slyfox696]

First fight people said it was Anderson's fault for playing around inside the cage and this time it was Anderson breaking his leg.

It's not like any of those are untrue, though Silva playing around should not detract from a Weidman victory. Taking advantage of opponent's mistakes is part of any sport.

But Weidman didn't really win this fight.

 

[MizisAwesome]

I'd say Weidman was "winning" the fight, but it was back towards a fair fight when his leg snapped. No clue how Silva survived the initial flurry to his head though, I thought for sure that would be another 1st round TKO.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'd say Weidman was "winning" the fight, but it was back towards a fair fight when his leg snapped. No clue how Silva survived the initial flurry to his head though, I thought for sure that would be another 1st round TKO.

Because very few of Weidman's shots to the downed Silva had any solid contact. Most were just glancing blows.

And I think it's pretty clear Weidman won Round 1, but in a 5 round fight, I don't think I'd call that winning the fight.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

But Weidman didn't really win this fight.

Why not? He nearly KO'ed him in round 1 and dominated the round. Round 2, he checked the leg kick...of course Weidman really won the fight.

 

[Da Prophet]

Weidman vs. Belfort is going to be good.

 

[Slyfox696]

Why not? He nearly KO'ed him in round 1 and dominated the round. Round 2, he checked the leg kick...of course Weidman really won the fight.

Nonsense. Winning one round and having your opponent snap his leg doesn't mean you won the fight. That's just silly.

 

[MizisAwesome]

Well, considering the fight only went two rounds, he won both of them. I'd say that's winning the fight.

 

[klunderbunker]

Well, considering the fight only went two rounds, he won both of them. I'd say that's winning the fight.

You're missing the point. I'd advise you to duck and run now.

 

[Slyfox696]

Well, considering the fight only went two rounds, he won both of them. I'd say that's winning the fight.

The fight didn't go two rounds, it went one round and then was ended in the second because of a freak accident.

This isn't hard to understand.

You're missing the point. I'd advise you to duck and run now.

I imagine these people think Magdalena Maleeva won the match with Monica Seles too.

 

[MizisAwesome]

Rousey/McMann will headline UFC 170 on 2/22/14.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

If Silva comes back from that I would be absolutely astounded. I'm saddened to see him go out like that but to say Weidman didn't win the fight is a bit out there. I could see the argument had Silva been walking across the ring and his ankle suddenly blew up and he could no longer continue... But his leg exploding was a direct result of a block initiated by Weidman. He effectively countered Silva's tactic, and used Anderson's own momentum against him with a block that's generally looked down upon because that's EXACTLY what it's meant to do.

Weidman won the fight, hands down. He dominated Silva for the entire first round, and it would have been a 10-8 round if not for the ultra-aggressive guard that Silva has. He arguably stopped him in that round as well, as the replay clearly shows Silva as being out. He recovered and that's what makes him Anderson Silva, the potential GOAT.

Discrediting Weidman's win over an injury like that is just straight bullshit, and that's coming from a long-time Silva fan. If that win doesn't count then I guess the countless submission wins out there where a limb gets snapped because an opponent doesn't tap and the referee stops it doesn't count either.

 

[Slyfox696]

If Silva comes back from that I would be absolutely astounded. I'm saddened to see him go out like that but to say Weidman didn't win the fight is a bit out there. I could see the argument had Silva been walking across the ring and his ankle suddenly blew up and he could no longer continue... But his leg exploding was a direct result of a block initiated by Weidman. He effectively countered Silva's tactic, and used Anderson's own momentum against him with a block that's generally looked down upon because that's EXACTLY what it's meant to do.

Weidman won the fight, hands down. He dominated Silva for the entire first round, and it would have been a 10-8 round if not for the ultra-aggressive guard that Silva has. He arguably stopped him in that round as well, as the replay clearly shows Silva as being out. He recovered and that's what makes him Anderson Silva, the potential GOAT.

Discrediting Weidman's win over an injury like that is just straight bullshit, and that's coming from a long-time Silva fan. If that win doesn't count then I guess the countless submission wins out there where a limb gets snapped because an opponent doesn't tap and the referee stops it doesn't count either.

Weidman didn't do anything to stop the fight when it was ended, aside from a simple instinctive maneuver people have been doing for long before MMA became a recognized sport. Kicks get checked all the time in the UFC, so unless Weidman simply has superpowers in his legs, it was a freak accident which ended the fight, not Weidman.

That's not "discrediting" Weidman's win, that's simply stating a fact. The fight ended because of an injury, not because of anything Weidman did. Weidman gets the talley in the win column, but he didn't win the fight, Silva just suffered an injury.

 

[klunderbunker]

How about this:

Weidman was victorious but didn't beat Silva.

 

[Slyfox696]

How about this:

Weidman was victorious but didn't beat Silva.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Weidman gets the credit in the win column, but he didn't win the fight.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Weidman didn't do anything to stop the fight when it was ended, aside from a simple instinctive maneuver people have been doing for long before MMA became a recognized sport. Kicks get checked all the time in the UFC, so unless Weidman simply has superpowers in his legs, it was a freak accident which ended the fight, not Weidman.

That's not "discrediting" Weidman's win, that's simply stating a fact. The fight ended because of an injury, not because of anything Weidman did. Weidman gets the talley in the win column, but he didn't win the fight, Silva just suffered an injury.

but....I meeean....if he didnt use that blocking maneuver, which was a major part of his gameplan, Siva does not suffer the injury...

 

[Remix]

He didn't lose it either, Sly. But let's be serious, Weidman wasn't aiming to break Silva's leg and even if he was, he still got lucky. I sincerely doubt that in any more of Weidman's fights (where I don't doubt he'll receive kicks similar to the ones Anderson was giving him) there'll be a similar injury. Shit has to happen in the exact right/wrong way for that to happen.

 

[Slyfox696]

but....I meeean....if he didnt use that blocking maneuver, which was a major part of his gameplan, Siva does not suffer the injury...

But it wasn't the technique which ended the fight, as kicks are blocked all the time in the UFC and MMA, in general. It was the freak accident which ended the fight.

If we're boxing and I land a hook shot to your jaw and it breaks my hand, does that mean you defeated me? Of course not, it means the accident defeated me. If you put your gloves up to block and my hand still breaks, is your blocking technique so superior to hundreds of years of blocking that you caused my hand to break? I doubt it.

Weidman foiled the attack, preventing his own body from taking a toll, but Silva's leg snapping is an extremely rare case of where the common defense ended with a leg fracture. Because of this, it wasn't Weidman's technique which ended the fight but rather the freak accident of Silva's leg snapping.

He didn't lose it either, Sly. But let's be serious, Weidman wasn't aiming to break Silva's leg

Of course not, which is all the more reason for people to understand Weidman didn't win the fight, he was simply the beneficiary of a rare occurrence.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

But it wasn't the technique which ended the fight, as kicks are blocked all the time in the UFC and MMA, in general. It was the freak accident which ended the fight.

If we're boxing and I land a hook shot to your jaw and it breaks my hand, does that mean you defeated me? Of course not, it means the accident defeated me. If you put your gloves up to block and my hand still breaks, is your blocking technique so superior to hundreds of years of blocking that you caused my hand to break? I doubt it.

Well no, because, presumably, im not BLOCKING the punch with my jaw

Im not saying it wasn't very fortuitous for Weidman, but him performing the move caused the leg to break, if he doesnt perform the block, the leg doesnt break. I dont see how that is debateable. if Silva kicks air and his leg snaps(which happens), or his plant leg broke, then ok, im with you. But Wiedman performed a move which directly lead to the leg breaking.

 

[klunderbunker]

Another thing I heard last night: this is the second such instance that the announcers have ever seen (I'm assuming they mean just in UFC history). There have probably been over 1000 UFC fights since the organization was founded. In let's say 1000 fights, how many leg kicks do you think have been checked? 10,000? 20,000?

Out of all those kicks, two have resulted in this injury. That's 1/5000 times that this happens. I have a very hard time believing that something that happens 1/5000 times is something that has anything to do with technique, but rather a kick hitting a man's kneecap at the perfect angle at a very high rate of speed. Weidman raised his leg to block a kick, but I'm not going to buy an argument that there was any kind of technique or skill involved in injuring Silva's leg. It was pure chance and nothing else.

 

[Slyfox696]

Well no, because im not BLOCKING the punch with my jaw

Exactly. You're not doing anything special to cause the injury.

Im not saying it wasn't very fortuitous for Weidman, but him performing the move caused the leg to break, if he doesnt perform the block, the leg doesnt break. I dont see how that is debateable. if Silva kicks air and his leg snaps(which happens), or his plant leg broke, then ok, im with you. But Wiedman performed a move which directly lead to the leg breaking.

I've responded to this in the other thread...no reason to debate the same issue in two different threads.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Another thing I heard last night: this is the second such instance that the announcers have ever seen (I'm assuming they mean just in UFC history). There have probably been over 1000 UFC fights since the organization was founded. In let's say 1000 fights, how many leg kicks do you think have been checked? 10,000? 20,000?

Out of all those kicks, two have resulted in this injury. That's 1/5000 times that this happens. I have a very hard time believing that something that happens 1/5000 times is something that has anything to do with technique, but rather a kick hitting a man's kneecap at the perfect angle at a very high rate of speed. Weidman raised his leg to block a kick, but I'm not going to buy an argument that there was any kind of technique or skill involved in injuring Silva's leg. It was pure chance and nothing else.

So then its possible for this to happen if you preform the block correctly, and the person hits you in just the right spot?

Like I said, im not saying he preformed the special Mortal Kombat leg breaker block, but the guys leg broke because Weidman did the correct defense to the kick.

a bit of a hollow win, sure, but he still won because a move he performed being unexpectedly effective. If he punches someone just in the right way that it knocks their eye out or some crazy unusual shit, did he not win there either?