vampirek covered it. All we have is one question and answer. I'm operating under the assumption that Awesome Truth is mentioned all over that interview, so out of context, the quote is somewhat ambiguous. I refer you once again to the "we all know who they are". Why would Rock say that if we didn't know who they are? Why would he say that if it's a backstage secret. It makes no sense.
Two Superstars Jealous Of Rock's Return?
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vampirek covered it. All we have is one question and answer. I'm operating under the assumption that Awesome Truth is mentioned all over that interview, so out of context, the quote is somewhat ambiguous. I refer you once again to the "we all know who they are". Why would Rock say that if we didn't know who they are? Why would he say that if it's a backstage secret. It makes no sense.
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
And (once again), what's the problem with that? Asides from the fact that Wrestling is a predetermined business, the WWe has made it's main storylines for the last several months on blurring lines in it's programming, on the web and, yes, in it's publications and in interviews with independent wrestling magazines. Worked shoots are the order of the day at the moment and whilst there is ambiguity, people who enjoy reading between the lines are free to do so.
On the subject of maths, if you are working decimal numbers to no decimal places and rounding up, then 1.5 + 1.5 becomes 2 + 2 which equals 4 despite the correct answer being 3
FitFinlay4Life
What's the craic?
I'm not disputing that all fingers point to the two guys but I don't see the harm in people living in a kayfabe world. Would you not like to see something like a Rock / Trips match at, say, the Rumble. And I believe the shots Hunter took at Rocky were at the HoF so we're not really talking overly secret, if Rock was on for it - this could happen.
If we're talking kayfabe then... duh they've said so much themselves.
If we mean in the RL... WM 28 is going to do massive buy rates. That means more money. If someone came to your job, did all your work for you and you personally made more money as a result not to mention are in no danger of being replaced would you be upset? Probably not.
If we mean in the RL... WM 28 is going to do massive buy rates. That means more money. If someone came to your job, did all your work for you and you personally made more money as a result not to mention are in no danger of being replaced would you be upset? Probably not.
yamesh2011
Dark Match Jobber
THe big question is whos brain wave was it is, not so much to have survivor series at MSG, but to have Cena team Up with Rock. Cena had no chance to be honest. Especially in New York who tell it like it is and hold no prisoners!! Felt sorry for the bloke. What should Cena do? Die? It seems he cant do no right!!
VCUpkunk11
Occasional Pre-Show
Guys...lets just take a deep breath and quit arguing.
No one is disputing that the obvious 2 The Rock "could be"talking about is Miz & R-Truth...no one is disputing that.
None of us know....100% that it is Miz & R-Truth.... it could be Cena & Punk... It Could be Del Rio & Mark Henry...it could be HHH & Nash... it could be Barrett & Rhodes.... it could be anyone! And pretty much any one of them could have "legitimate" jealousy griefs or w/e.
Like the one guy said.... WWE is pretty much a pre-determined business. I mean look how in the matter of a year people went from loving Cena (a.k.a. WWE's Poster Child) to "hating" him and routing for CM Punk & The Rock.
Granted...the people in charge could change their mind the day of, or an hour or 2 before a match or what not... but for the most part it's pre-determined.
For example....obivously the whole HHH incident was planned and set up. I mean why else would you hire HHH.... have Miz & R-Truth running wild over Raw trying to get HHH removed as Raw GM... HHH "fires" them...some how Miz & R-truth still get in the building and beat the living tar out of Del Rio, Punk and Cena after HIAC. And the whole situation there after....when the majority of us know it was Laurinitis who caused all this (because it was scripted).
But there's no need to get in an angry argument over scripted non-sense. These forums are made for Discussions, Fan Ideas, and friendly disagreements....but nothing that would lead to confrontations or fights... I love wrestling (even if it is fake or scripted) just as much as the next person... but Im not gonna get into a heated argument over something like this. just chill out guys.
No one is disputing that the obvious 2 The Rock "could be"talking about is Miz & R-Truth...no one is disputing that.
None of us know....100% that it is Miz & R-Truth.... it could be Cena & Punk... It Could be Del Rio & Mark Henry...it could be HHH & Nash... it could be Barrett & Rhodes.... it could be anyone! And pretty much any one of them could have "legitimate" jealousy griefs or w/e.
Like the one guy said.... WWE is pretty much a pre-determined business. I mean look how in the matter of a year people went from loving Cena (a.k.a. WWE's Poster Child) to "hating" him and routing for CM Punk & The Rock.
Granted...the people in charge could change their mind the day of, or an hour or 2 before a match or what not... but for the most part it's pre-determined.
For example....obivously the whole HHH incident was planned and set up. I mean why else would you hire HHH.... have Miz & R-Truth running wild over Raw trying to get HHH removed as Raw GM... HHH "fires" them...some how Miz & R-truth still get in the building and beat the living tar out of Del Rio, Punk and Cena after HIAC. And the whole situation there after....when the majority of us know it was Laurinitis who caused all this (because it was scripted).
But there's no need to get in an angry argument over scripted non-sense. These forums are made for Discussions, Fan Ideas, and friendly disagreements....but nothing that would lead to confrontations or fights... I love wrestling (even if it is fake or scripted) just as much as the next person... but Im not gonna get into a heated argument over something like this. just chill out guys.
Why wouldn't they be jealous? This guy has been gone from wrestling for 7 years and just like that he gets to main event SS and WM28? If I was a wrestler in the WWE I'd be mad as hell.
But at the same time as a wrestler I'd do some self reflecting. There's a reason why Vince wanted Rocky back. That reason is because I'm not performing to the best of my ability and the product is lacking because of that.
I mean CM Punk as great as he's been, now he has to maintain longevity, can the WWE trust him to carry the company for months and months and years after that?
Randy Orton? Another great superstar, but people love him because his ability and the fact that he's one of those of those bad ass faces, but yet his mic work sucks. So in reality, he's not the full package to carry the company.
Cena? We discussed that issue times and times again.
Every other wrestler's opinion doesn't matter. Theyre borderline irrelevant.
But at the same time as a wrestler I'd do some self reflecting. There's a reason why Vince wanted Rocky back. That reason is because I'm not performing to the best of my ability and the product is lacking because of that.
I mean CM Punk as great as he's been, now he has to maintain longevity, can the WWE trust him to carry the company for months and months and years after that?
Randy Orton? Another great superstar, but people love him because his ability and the fact that he's one of those of those bad ass faces, but yet his mic work sucks. So in reality, he's not the full package to carry the company.
Cena? We discussed that issue times and times again.
Every other wrestler's opinion doesn't matter. Theyre borderline irrelevant.
THTRobtaylor
Once & Future Wrestlezone Columnist
Erm... Kevin Nash pulled from all WWE Events? I think we have a winner ladies and gentlemen.... sounds like someone has spoken out of turn about King Rocky...
The two superstars he's talking about are CM Punk and Randy Orton. Orton was very vocal back during Wrestlemania season about how he didn't like the fact Rock was gone 7 years and then just came back and was given the spotlight for wrestlemania. Punk has also been shooting on The Rock since the summer calling him an ass kisser, and saying he doesn't deserve to main event mania. Punk even as recently as this past weekend called The Rock a diva, saying he doesn't make an effort to interact with many other superstars backstage. To be fair though, Randy Orton has pulled a complete about face on his attitude towards The Rock. A couple of months ago in an interview Orton talked about his huge satisfaction with his wrestlemania 27 payoff, and admitted a large portion of it was due to The Rock's involvement, and he thanked him for it.
Ratings! Merchandise sales! Trending catchphrases! Higher buyrates! That is what he has done, the anticipation of The Rock for last weeks Raw was hyped just like him wrestling last night. Every appearance he has made this year has been hyped. The Rock doesn't owe the wrestlers of this era anything, he helped pave the way just like wrestlers before him.
The Golden Sledgehammer
Dark Match Jobber
If its a work then i don't see the point in it being Miz and Truth, i doubt he'll be working with them again
If its not a work:
I doubt R-Truth would be stupid enough to step out of line, he's only been pushed the last few months.
I doubt Triple H, if he wanted the main event spot so bad he could have it and The Rock is making him money right now.
I doubt Kevin Nash, he can't honestly believe he belongs in the main event of PPV's and he's coasting on his reputation more than The Rock is right now.
CM Punk, if its not a work then definitely CM Punk has to be one of them, he's taken a few pops at The Rock in interviews that have nothing to do with WWE, so what would be the point if he doesn't have a problem?.
Randy Orton, in the same interview that he buried Kelly Kelly he said Rock grassed him up for talking trash and tried to spin it as "Randy was talking shit about me AND Triple H", so that upper management would take more notice. Again, this had nothing to do with WWE so why mention it?.
The Miz, he was a huge fan of The Rock in his youth but he won the main event of WrestleMania and nobody was talking about him, who wouldn't get jealous?
John Cena, If its not a work and John Cena genuinely is pissed with The Rock, then i've got to think Rock is picking up the win at Mania, i'd be more than happy for The Rock to whip my ass all year if i beat him at Mania at the end of it. For years Cena was saying he would love The Rock to come back for the fans, so, if now he's back Cena has a problem....
But Rock said "we all know who they are", the only one's that have publicly criticised The Rock are Orton and Punk.
If its not a work:
I doubt R-Truth would be stupid enough to step out of line, he's only been pushed the last few months.
I doubt Triple H, if he wanted the main event spot so bad he could have it and The Rock is making him money right now.
I doubt Kevin Nash, he can't honestly believe he belongs in the main event of PPV's and he's coasting on his reputation more than The Rock is right now.
CM Punk, if its not a work then definitely CM Punk has to be one of them, he's taken a few pops at The Rock in interviews that have nothing to do with WWE, so what would be the point if he doesn't have a problem?.
Randy Orton, in the same interview that he buried Kelly Kelly he said Rock grassed him up for talking trash and tried to spin it as "Randy was talking shit about me AND Triple H", so that upper management would take more notice. Again, this had nothing to do with WWE so why mention it?.
The Miz, he was a huge fan of The Rock in his youth but he won the main event of WrestleMania and nobody was talking about him, who wouldn't get jealous?
John Cena, If its not a work and John Cena genuinely is pissed with The Rock, then i've got to think Rock is picking up the win at Mania, i'd be more than happy for The Rock to whip my ass all year if i beat him at Mania at the end of it. For years Cena was saying he would love The Rock to come back for the fans, so, if now he's back Cena has a problem....
But Rock said "we all know who they are", the only one's that have publicly criticised The Rock are Orton and Punk.
why does everyone assume Orton is being depushed... If anything he's got to be getting major love from EVERYONE in the back for putting so many people over. He's still the number 1 face on Smackdown. So if anything he's being more of a help than a jealous jerk backstage.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if Orton was one of them, I dont think he cares so much.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if Orton was one of them, I dont think he cares so much.
I have no idea who it is, but whichever stars have been "jealous" of the Rock are 100% correct in their feelings. My guess is that the two guys in question are locker room leaders, speaking on behalf of a locker room that has been completely overshadowed by the short-term return of The Rock.
The WWE has serious issues compared to the Attitude Era. That isn't to say that the company is financially strapped because it isn't. But the ratings during the Attitude Era peaked in the 6's ... Raw and Nitro used to bring in 10-12 million combined viewers weekly. Arenas were selling it out in a matter of minutes. Today, Raw averages a rating in the low 3's - and that's without facing competition on Monday night. They are constantly tarping off sections in arenas because they can't sell them out. It's obvious to everyone that business is down.
So they bring in The Rock --- which is the equivalent of losing your job and then taking a long vacation in Hawaii. Sure, the vacation is fun and life is good for a while. But soon enough, the vacation will end, and all those problems you had back home will still be waiting for you. It's no different here. People will watch Raw when The Rock appears ... people will buy pay-per views when The Rock wrestles... But when The Rock leaves again, all those same problems mentioned above will still be there.
How does the WWE plan to keep these fans from leaving again when The Rock leaves after WrestleMania? How has The Rock's return helped the long-term outlook for WWE programming? When The Rock is advertised to appear on TV, like last week, has the WWE used that time to seriously expose and introduce their new top guys to that additional audience?
So again. The Rock made the WWE a lot of money by appearing at 'Mania. He made the company a lot of money when he wrestled last night. And he will soon make the WWE a lot of money by wrestling at WrestleMania. But when The Rock leaves in April, it will be the overshadowed talent ... like the two "jealous" stars ... asked to carry the ball again.
The WWE has serious issues compared to the Attitude Era. That isn't to say that the company is financially strapped because it isn't. But the ratings during the Attitude Era peaked in the 6's ... Raw and Nitro used to bring in 10-12 million combined viewers weekly. Arenas were selling it out in a matter of minutes. Today, Raw averages a rating in the low 3's - and that's without facing competition on Monday night. They are constantly tarping off sections in arenas because they can't sell them out. It's obvious to everyone that business is down.
So they bring in The Rock --- which is the equivalent of losing your job and then taking a long vacation in Hawaii. Sure, the vacation is fun and life is good for a while. But soon enough, the vacation will end, and all those problems you had back home will still be waiting for you. It's no different here. People will watch Raw when The Rock appears ... people will buy pay-per views when The Rock wrestles... But when The Rock leaves again, all those same problems mentioned above will still be there.
How does the WWE plan to keep these fans from leaving again when The Rock leaves after WrestleMania? How has The Rock's return helped the long-term outlook for WWE programming? When The Rock is advertised to appear on TV, like last week, has the WWE used that time to seriously expose and introduce their new top guys to that additional audience?
So again. The Rock made the WWE a lot of money by appearing at 'Mania. He made the company a lot of money when he wrestled last night. And he will soon make the WWE a lot of money by wrestling at WrestleMania. But when The Rock leaves in April, it will be the overshadowed talent ... like the two "jealous" stars ... asked to carry the ball again.
anaximillion
Dark Match Jobber
There were two articles today on this very site, one just put up a few minutes ago about punk's speaking out against the rock, and orton getting over his bitterness towards the rock being back. So all fingers point to the two of them.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
He's talking about Punk and Orton, that's my guess. They were rather vocal, complaining and what not.
I understand. They are jealous. Wouldn't you be? He comes back and is a bigger draw than both... combined. I love both guys, but they aren't on Rock's level, and they know it.
Oh, and one more thing - I'm sick of Punk crying about "Dwayne" and how he's a jerk, and blah, blah, blah. Punk can act as anti-authority as he wants, but in a heartbeat, he'd drop each and every one of us for a big, fat, juicy Hollywood check. It won't happen, because he's a dirtball (love the guy, but he's a dirtball), but I have no doubt about that.
I understand. They are jealous. Wouldn't you be? He comes back and is a bigger draw than both... combined. I love both guys, but they aren't on Rock's level, and they know it.
Oh, and one more thing - I'm sick of Punk crying about "Dwayne" and how he's a jerk, and blah, blah, blah. Punk can act as anti-authority as he wants, but in a heartbeat, he'd drop each and every one of us for a big, fat, juicy Hollywood check. It won't happen, because he's a dirtball (love the guy, but he's a dirtball), but I have no doubt about that.
xoxo French Kiss xoxo
Pourquoi?
Ill break this down and make it simple for many of you to understand.
Orton - hasn't lost his place what so ever due to the Rock coming back, he's just been moved away from the WHC, to help elevate the next group of up and comers into the main event. His work with Rhodes was fantastic, it looks like he's going to move into a program with Barrett next. Orton's still the best wrestling the WWE in terms of in ring ability so he will only help elevate others. And honestly does Orton really need another title run at this point? He's in his early 30's and is already a 7 or 8 or 9 time champion, he needs a break. Cena was taken out of the WWE title picture for most of 2010 during his Nexus and Barrett feud.
Rhodes and Ziggler - neither of these two are suffering from the return of the Rock, they've both become cornerstones of the upper middle card being the US and IC champions. They've actually gotten more of the spot light this year than they have in the past.
R-Truth - he could be upset, but its not like he was going to ever win the WWE title, ever so its doubtful. Hell in what universe do we live in where R-Truth is in the Main Event of two different WWE PPV's in ONE YEAR. He should be happy if anything.
Sheamus, Barrett, Swagger, Del Rio, Christian, Henry, Show - guys who have still been getting pushed, with no real reason to have beef or be upset with the Rock returning.
Bourne, Kingston, Morrison, Sin Cara - four guys who no one really gives a shit about, who don't have a lick of pull, and who could be fired tomorrow and no one would blink. They should be lucky they get any TV time.
Now that I've gotten some of the suspected culprits out of the way Ill bring this to a final five
Undertaker - He's been on vacation, and takes 9 months out of the year off so whats it matter if the Undertaker is upset, hes not there for anyone to give a fuck about what he says. Its doubtful he would really care about the Rocks return, because it gives him more time away to recover from being old as fuck and past his in ring expiration date.
Triple H - the man has always believed hes the best, but his return to face Taker at WM27, was boring. His absents after WM27 wasn't cared about. His switch to COO we could have all done without. He could be upset about the Rock returning because it trumped his return, and people cared (not I) but many others. But Triple H cares more about the business than person gain, so I'm doubtful
Nash - he stated tonight that the main event vs Truth and Miz at Survivor Series should have been Nash and Triple H instead of Cena and Rock. We all know Nash is a cry baby bitch when it comes to money and booking when he's involved. He could be upset, but I doubt it because in the end he's still getting paid for showing up and sucking.
The Miz - He could be the culprit, because at this point last year the Miz was making his way to the top, he was in preparation to become WWE Champion by cashing in his MITB against Orton. In the span of a year he's went from WWE Champion, into a tag team with R-Truth. He's still in the upper main event of Raw, but its kind of a demotion from where he was before. But the possibility of feuding with the Rock or Foley in the near future would benefit the Miz more than anything. Bitter maybe, but I think he would be more understanding.
CM Punk - Has been the most vocal about his dislike for the return of the Rock. Punks WWE title match was bumped from the main event of last nights PPV for a tag match. The possibly that Punk will get shafted out of main eventing WM28 as WWE champion with Rock vs Cena headlining the program also looms over all of our heads. Punk's a huge wrestling nerd so I would expect him to be excited for this, but his true dislike for both Cena and the Rock could be fueling his hatred for the whole storyline and match.
Orton - hasn't lost his place what so ever due to the Rock coming back, he's just been moved away from the WHC, to help elevate the next group of up and comers into the main event. His work with Rhodes was fantastic, it looks like he's going to move into a program with Barrett next. Orton's still the best wrestling the WWE in terms of in ring ability so he will only help elevate others. And honestly does Orton really need another title run at this point? He's in his early 30's and is already a 7 or 8 or 9 time champion, he needs a break. Cena was taken out of the WWE title picture for most of 2010 during his Nexus and Barrett feud.
Rhodes and Ziggler - neither of these two are suffering from the return of the Rock, they've both become cornerstones of the upper middle card being the US and IC champions. They've actually gotten more of the spot light this year than they have in the past.
R-Truth - he could be upset, but its not like he was going to ever win the WWE title, ever so its doubtful. Hell in what universe do we live in where R-Truth is in the Main Event of two different WWE PPV's in ONE YEAR. He should be happy if anything.
Sheamus, Barrett, Swagger, Del Rio, Christian, Henry, Show - guys who have still been getting pushed, with no real reason to have beef or be upset with the Rock returning.
Bourne, Kingston, Morrison, Sin Cara - four guys who no one really gives a shit about, who don't have a lick of pull, and who could be fired tomorrow and no one would blink. They should be lucky they get any TV time.
Now that I've gotten some of the suspected culprits out of the way Ill bring this to a final five
Undertaker - He's been on vacation, and takes 9 months out of the year off so whats it matter if the Undertaker is upset, hes not there for anyone to give a fuck about what he says. Its doubtful he would really care about the Rocks return, because it gives him more time away to recover from being old as fuck and past his in ring expiration date.
Triple H - the man has always believed hes the best, but his return to face Taker at WM27, was boring. His absents after WM27 wasn't cared about. His switch to COO we could have all done without. He could be upset about the Rock returning because it trumped his return, and people cared (not I) but many others. But Triple H cares more about the business than person gain, so I'm doubtful
Nash - he stated tonight that the main event vs Truth and Miz at Survivor Series should have been Nash and Triple H instead of Cena and Rock. We all know Nash is a cry baby bitch when it comes to money and booking when he's involved. He could be upset, but I doubt it because in the end he's still getting paid for showing up and sucking.
The Miz - He could be the culprit, because at this point last year the Miz was making his way to the top, he was in preparation to become WWE Champion by cashing in his MITB against Orton. In the span of a year he's went from WWE Champion, into a tag team with R-Truth. He's still in the upper main event of Raw, but its kind of a demotion from where he was before. But the possibility of feuding with the Rock or Foley in the near future would benefit the Miz more than anything. Bitter maybe, but I think he would be more understanding.
CM Punk - Has been the most vocal about his dislike for the return of the Rock. Punks WWE title match was bumped from the main event of last nights PPV for a tag match. The possibly that Punk will get shafted out of main eventing WM28 as WWE champion with Rock vs Cena headlining the program also looms over all of our heads. Punk's a huge wrestling nerd so I would expect him to be excited for this, but his true dislike for both Cena and the Rock could be fueling his hatred for the whole storyline and match.
Where did you get "His true dislike for Cena" from? On an ESPN radio interview he said he loved working with Cena. He's also called him "a nice guy". Doesn't exactly sound like RL heat to me. His problems with "Dwayne" as he likes to put it may or may not be legit but he needs to understand that the Wrestlemania main event is not his and is in no way owed to him or anybody else. I can honestly say that I believe him when he says the Rock is disrespectful to the boys in the locker room. I firmly believe Dwayne Johnson to be a world class jerk both as a character and by some accounts in real life. But Punk would be crazy to think that any match he's going to be in is going to out draw Rock/Cena at wrestlemania.
So why didnt he say Miz and Truth then??? The Rock has class, he was shooting from the hip but didn't mention who it was.
Punk wants a piece of the Rock, he wants to use The Rock to become famous. The Rock could make him famous. Wonder if the Rock would lower himself to work with a dirtball like Punk though?
jacdnwarrior
Championship Contender
I believe it's Orton and Punk. It's more than likely it's more but these were the most outspoken and critical about Rock's return. Jealousy from two guys who are good not great, or at the very least haven't proven it yet. While Rock was gone, the company made nowhere close to the amount of money that Rock helped bring in when he was there. Orton had plenty of opportunities but he didn't prove he was nearly on the level of Rock. Punk to be honest, has seen very little time in the main event picture, so the jury's still out on him. These guys sound jealous. Rock doesn't owe them anything or need to prove himself to them. He was there during one of the WWE's golden eras, he made his contribution and that is set in stone. These two haven't done shit yet. They can have all the title reigns they can get it's the money you bring in that matters. They should shut their fucking mouths pay attention and watch how Rock, a real main eventer, brings in the cash