Top 5 Overrated Wrestlers Today in WWE

And of course Hogan would like Cena,they wrestle alike,boring,4 or 5 moves each match and cant sell worth a crap and put over people and try and get others over. Oh yeah,heres a quote last year from HBK,"Randy Orton is as talented as the days are long."

:lol:

That... was the stupidest thing I've ever read in my life.

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Just one instance of Hogan putting someone over, and in a great match at that.
Not to degrade HBK's quote on Randy, but hasn't he also praised Cena, esp. for the performance he had with Rock at WM28? He also praises Dolph Ziggler and others.
 
Okay, this is difficult for there are so many to choose from. My top 5 are:

5). Sin Cara: Once Rey was out, they needed a Mexican Luche Libre to replace him and get the Mexican fans back (sorry guys, it's about demographics and # of people in the seats and Rey was a role model). He still messes up in the ring (hence the yellow light matches) and loses every time to anyone with talent. What gets me is there's so much more talented wrestlers they could've chosen.

4). Christian: Now I like him, but he never should have left mid-card level. IC champ yes, US champ yes; but as far as World champ, he was boring.

3). PTP: Every time they are on, I either go to the bathroom or fast forward. I understand that WWE needs new talent but pushing rookies like them into tag title matches when they seriously are not pro yet is insulting to the viewers. Don't get me started on their mic skills...agh!!

2). Jericho: This one hurts me for I KNOW the guy has the talent; he just has been phoning it in for the past 3 comebacks that his matches are so boring that he can't back up his mouth anymore. Living off of past accomplishments from 10 years plus ago is like saying "what have you done lately?" I know it was a storyline but Ziggler had a point when he said that he hasn't won the big one in years.

1). Cena: I have to put him #1 for he gets the Main events and doesn't earn them. Now I wasn't a "Hulk-a-maniac" for I saw the same thing; he does the same 5 moves and even his fans chant "You can't wrestle" or "same 5 moves". People aren't stupid, they can see him for what he is. The sad part is he's been in wrestling long enough that he CAN wrestle but chooses to do the same thing.

This thread should have been like a top 20 for others easily include: Jinder Mahal, Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Big Zeke, Brodous, the list can go on. Now, we have to understand that the WWE wrestlers are getting older and the new crop have to develop; but this is why the old territories were around.
 
And of course Hogan would like Cena,they wrestle alike,boring,4 or 5 moves each match and cant sell worth a crap and put over people and try and get others over."

You need to take off your clouded hated Cena glasses and think about what you just said?

Didnt Cena put over Punk twice last year? What about Miz at WM27? Or the countless times he put over Edge and Orton which really elevated them to Main Event status.

Cena winning is good for business. Maybe not for a '10% er' like you but good for business. Just like Hogan was very good for business. The ignorance of people like you astounds me!!!
 
Tell me how many CLEAN jobs Cena has done in the past 5 years. I can tell you,TWO. One to HHH in '09 on Raw and to Rock at Mania. Both Punk matches had interference and run ins in them.

Orton and Edge were already top guys way before Cena feuded w/ them. If anything Orton and Edge made Cena by doing COUNTLESS jobs to him. If Cena winning is good for biz please tell me why he gets booed by at least 75% of the crowd everywhere he goes. He cant even get cheers in his hometown of Boston.

Why? People are bored of him and his same old kiddie schtick and match routines. Ever see his "dropkicks?" Or his not even touching his opponents STFs? And he's been in the biz 12 years and cant even do the simplest of moves right. Ive been to loocal indy shows and Ive seen guys wrestling barely a year that are better workers than Cena has ever been.
 
5) Cody Rhodes. He is average at everything.

4) Ryback. New guy goes undefeated for a long time gimmick is the most stale, overused and lazy gimmick in wwe.

3) Ziggler. Oversells every move every match like Shawn Michaels did vs Hulk Hogan and everybody can't kiss his ass enough for it.

2) Miz. Him being good on the mic is the biggest myth in pro wrestling. He is only good in ring when he has an opponent good enough to carry him through the match.

1) John Cena. Is obviously Vince's favorite wwe superstar ever not named Triple H.
 
Tell me how many CLEAN jobs Cena has done in the past 5 years. I can tell you,TWO. One to HHH in '09 on Raw and to Rock at Mania. Both Punk matches had interference and run ins in them.

You simple, simple soul. If you want a list, I can give you a list. Here we go.

Night of Champions 2008 vs. HHH
The Bash 2008 vs. JBL
Summerslam 2008 vs. Batista
Hell in a Cell 2009 vs. Orton
TLC 2009 vs. Sheamus


Orton and Edge were already top guys way before Cena feuded w/ them.

:lmao:

You mean Orton who kept getting suspended and had midcard feuds with HBK, RVD, and Dusty Rhodes before he feuded with Cena in 2007?

You mean Edge who was facing Kane, Matt Hardy, and Ric Flair. Cena made Edge more than the other way around and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If anything Orton and Edge made Cena by doing COUNTLESS jobs to him. If Cena winning is good for biz please tell me why he gets booed by at least 75% of the crowd everywhere he goes. He cant even get cheers in his hometown of Boston.

When someone ever gets close to making as much money as Cena does, then maybe they'll be the number one guy. No one has yet and maybe no one will.

Why? People are bored of him and his same old kiddie schtick and match routines. Ever see his "dropkicks?" Or his not even touching his opponents STFs? And he's been in the biz 12 years and cant even do the simplest of moves right. Ive been to loocal indy shows and Ive seen guys wrestling barely a year that are better workers than Cena has ever been.

Then why aren't they in a major wrestling company? I would love for you to tape those performances and send to Vince them and I can imagine the laughs he and his cronies would have watching them.
 
Sorry Little Jerry,the GAB match v JBL was a Parking Lot Brawl match,theres no such thing as a clean job in those type matches.Same as in the HITC match w/ Orton and TLC match w/Sheamus.The other 2 sure,so that makes 4 clean jobs in a 4 year span.Wow.

And yeah I meant Orton,the same guy who was in Evolution,had an 8 month reign as IC champ,feuded w/ Taker and HHH and HBK,all way before he even touched Cena in a match.

And yeah I meant Edge,the same guy who before he feuded w/Cena was a KOTR and MITB winner,4 time IC champ and many time tag champ. So they needed Cena's help to get over??LOL. Get off Cena's nuts.

If anyone else got shoved down the fans' throats as much as Vince has done for Cena than someone would bring in as much money as Cena did but Vince is scared to depush him because of all the $$$ he gets from the kiddie fanbase(his only fanbase).

And maybe you're right about Vince laughing at the indy guys I saw,they werent his type. They werent giant,oversized steroid freaks like Cena was when he got signed,plus they had wrestling talent,which to Vince means nothing,hence why Cena is the top guy in the company.
 
Sorry Little Jerry,the GAB match v JBL was a Parking Lot Brawl match,theres no such thing as a clean job in those type matches.Same as in the HITC match w/ Orton and TLC match w/Sheamus.The other 2 sure,so that makes 4 clean jobs in a 4 year span.Wow.

And yeah I meant Orton,the same guy who was in Evolution,had an 8 month reign as IC champ,feuded w/ Taker and HHH and HBK,all way before he even touched Cena in a match.

And yeah I meant Edge,the same guy who before he feuded w/Cena was a KOTR and MITB winner,4 time IC champ and many time tag champ. So they needed Cena's help to get over??LOL. Get off Cena's nuts.

If anyone else got shoved down the fans' throats as much as Vince has done for Cena than someone would bring in as much money as Cena did but Vince is scared to depush him because of all the $$$ he gets from the kiddie fanbase(his only fanbase).

And maybe you're right about Vince laughing at the indy guys I saw,they werent his type. They werent giant,oversized steroid freaks like Cena was when he got signed,plus they had wrestling talent,which to Vince means nothing,hence why Cena is the top guy in the company.


Wow, i am shocked at the lack of vision you actually have.

Why the hell should cena lose clean? Why should he job to someone? He is the #1 guy in the company and the biggest name in pro wrestling since The Rock. Not one single promoter or intelligent human would ever book their top draw to lose clean countless times. It would be a stupid business move. Cena is more than just a main eventer. He is a icon and a legend in the same vein as The Rock and The Undertaker. He does not need to lose clean to put someone over. Heck him standing in the ring with someone is enough to put someone over because his star power pretty much surpasses anything else the WWE has to offer. You odnt get to the level cena is at by putting over every "Vanilla Midget" that people like you think needs to be pushed to the next level.

Man, This forum is really starting to fill up with idiots who are blind to what makes a business successful.

oh and wether you like it or not, there is far more cena fans than there are haters and he is gonna be around for a long time to come :]

Deal with it!
 
Why should Cena lose clean? Are you new to this business? You think Cena is gonna be on top forever? It's called making other people look good on their way up.Cena's not gonna be around forever(Thank God).

Look at Orton. He did clean jobs to freakin'Mark Henry on 2 straight PPV's to try and get him over. He did a clean job to Barrett at last years Surv. Srs to try and get him over. He did all he could to try and get Kofi over in their feud in '09. All while he was the #2 guy in the company.

Has it hurt his popularity any to this day? No,hes still as over as ever. He even did a submission job to ADR this week and it still wont hurt him one bit. So if he can do it and not get his popularity lost,why can't Cena? God forbid he try and help others I guess.

Do other top faces like Orton or Punk get booed like Cena does? No. Why? Because they have respect for the biz and try and get others over and try to improve their work,where Cena has been doing the same routine for the past 5 years. He never shows weakness in his matches.

Does he realize thats part of his job to do that? He's has no ability(or he dont want to) help others get to where he's at. Check Extreme Rules 2011 where he got killed for 20 minutes by Miz and Riley and then comes back and beats them both like nothing even happened to him.

And Rock and Austin when they were the top guys lost many times clean. And did I say COUNTLESS times? No. I just mean (for Cena anyway) at least occasionally lose clean,it wont kill him. If anything,it'll help him and WWE as a whole as it tries to build newer stars. But he seems to not want to do that(yet he says he'd die for WWE-yeah right).

And theres more Cena fans than haters? You really need to buy some hearing aids. I guess on Raw last week I was just imagining all those boos he got.
 
And Rock and Austin when they were the top guys lost many times clean. And did I say COUNTLESS times? No. I just mean (for Cena anyway) at least occasionally lose clean,it wont kill him. If anything,it'll help him and WWE as a whole as it tries to build newer stars. But he seems to not want to do that(yet he says he'd die for WWE-yeah right).

Off the top of my head, I can only recall one time when he lost clean as the top guy and that was to Kurt Angle in 2001. Maybe No Way Out 2001 counts as well but you see my point. Cena has lost clean more than Austin did. Rock and Orton were the repsective #2 guys so they can afford to lose more.

So what about that Punk guy? What was doing before he faced Cena? Where is he now after he faced Cena?
 
1: Randy Orton - He knows 3 moves, is injury prone, and only gets pushed cos of his family and the fact HHH is in love with him.

2: Ryback - The whole "jobber squashing monster" thing has been done before with other hosses (the late Umaga for one) and is boring IMO, but hosses doing their 2 moves to jobbers gives Vince a hard on, so they're here to stay :(

3: The tag team division in general - Since Hawk of the LOD died, and the Hardys/Dudleys left, and the APA/Acolytes pretty much split, there's almost no proper teams in WWE any more IMO.

4: Daniel Bryan - He is IMO the second coming of Chris Benoit, I mean come on, he even does both of Benoit's moves, ie the Crossface (the NO lock) and the diving headbutt off the top rope, his gimmick is annoying IMO.

5: Sheamus - I said on here earlier that if he wasn't friends with HHH, he would be nowhere near the top of WWE (yet, he would've got there eventually).
 
1. Big Show--I cant stress how much I hate the Big Show. Now, this 500 pound bag of slop, is taking away time from young talent that should be wrestling weekly. His attributes? Boring, Lazy, and Out of shape. And for some damn reason, he has to ruin absolutely everything. Im really not sure why the WWE is still keeping his big fat ass around.

2. John Cena--Oh, John boy. How can I put it. Well, hea just getting predictable. An not in the good way. Hes always doing the same promos, cutting the same speeches, and for some reason, he has to play Mr. nice guy, ALL thr time. I mean, god forbid ge get a little angry? But no, not Cena. This guy better take a heel turn, or get the "F" out.

3. Rey Mysterio--I love Rey as much as any other fan, but I think its about time he hangs up his boots. Hes old, and with his history in Injuries, I dont think he can take any good bumps anymore. I mean, its not like hes headlining or anything, but he is wasting space. Look Rey, we love you, but its bout' tine you retire, and hit the Hall Of Fame.

4. Sheamus--Hes a good Powerhouse, but who really likes powerhouses anyway? Im not really that impressed by his in ring work, and his gimmick is just to cheesy for my liking.

5. Randy Orton--Never was a fan, and probably never will be. I think his work lacks the basic wrestling standards, I think hes an awful actor both in the ring, and on the mic. Why he is still getting WHW title shots is beyond me.
 
Again,to Little Lawler,Cena has jobbed clean 4 times in 4 years.Wow,one clean job a year. That's Hogan level there. He says in his out of ring interviews how much he loves WWE and will die for them,but I guess not when it comes to doing jobs and getting others over.

And again,you're trying to tell me Cena shouldn't lose clean at all? So in other words,you're saying he should be selfish and just not let anyone else even try and get close to where he's at,just like a certain Hogan guy did? Wow,what a role model Cena is huh?

And how did Punk ever get where he's at becuase of Cena? Did he ever beat Cena clean? No,there was outside interference in both of their PPV matches. Just like he always does,he won't let anyone beat him clean or try and get anyone else near his spot. And Cena fans wonder why he's booed and only cheered by kiddies and Justin Bieber fangirls?

MAYBE if he'd do some clean jobs more than once a year he'd get cheered alot more and the fans(even the haters) may actually show him respect for doing whats right for business,for now and the future.Yeah right,and Santa Claus is real.
 
Again,to Little Lawler,Cena has jobbed clean 4 times in 4 years.Wow,one clean job a year. That's Hogan level there. He says in his out of ring interviews how much he loves WWE and will die for them,but I guess not when it comes to doing jobs and getting others over.

I love how you think that to only put somebody over, they have to lose to them. Earlier you said that Orton and Edge were top guys before they faced Cena which I already disproved. How did Edge get to the heights that he did in 2006 and beyond? By being the ultimate opportunist and cheating. I personally think Orton became a top guy in 2009 when he had two guys named Rhodes and DiBiase who helped him cheat to win matches. Notice something here?

Like I've said countless times, heels cheat to win. You can't have every heel go over faces clean because it devalues the faces. People pay to see the heel cheat to win constantly and have the babyface triumph in the end.

And again,you're trying to tell me Cena shouldn't lose clean at all? So in other words,you're saying he should be selfish and just not let anyone else even try and get close to where he's at,just like a certain Hogan guy did? Wow,what a role model Cena is huh?

Did I say that he shouldn't lose clean at all? Nope. Let's take Rock and Austin. How did Rock become anything close to Austin? He was white hot in 2000 when he was facing HHH who cheated to win his matches.

And how did Punk ever get where he's at becuase of Cena? Did he ever beat Cena clean? No,there was outside interference in both of their PPV matches. Just like he always does,he won't let anyone beat him clean or try and get anyone else near his spot. And Cena fans wonder why he's booed and only cheered by kiddies and Justin Bieber fangirls?

Again, losing clean isn't the end all be all in terms of elevating someone. Look at Punk before he faced Cena and after he faced Cena. Look what beating Cena did for Punk whether the fuck it was clean or not. Get that through your thick skull.

MAYBE if he'd do some clean jobs more than once a year he'd get cheered alot more and the fans(even the haters) may actually show him respect for doing whats right for business,for now and the future.Yeah right,and Santa Claus is real.

I'm sure that would work. If a face loses more, he would get cheered more. Flawless logic.
 
So if Cena wins all the time and never gets beat or even sells a beating(see the psstmatch promo after his match w/ Lesnar at the ER PPV where he cuts a promo and dont even sell the beating),why should any fan get involved in his matches if he always is gonna win them 99% of the time?

Top guys lose clean too. Take Ric Flair. In the 80s he did clean jobs to young guys like Barry Windham,the Von Erichs,Mike Rotundo etc. Why? He wanted to try and get them over as threats to him and build new stars.THATS what top guys do.Orton feuded w/ Taker,HHH,HBK and other top guys way before Cody and Ted were even close to being in WWE so try again with that hilarious line of thinking.

You think Taker would've did a feud w/Randy if he thought he wasn't good enough? No way and you know it. And since you're such a stickler for cheating,what was Orton doing when in Evolution and against Taker? Scientific wrestling?

And about your Punk "logic," you really think Punk beating Cena by flukes got him over just as much if he beat him clean in their matches? No way and you know it. Cena never makes himself look weak in his matches.

And of course you'd be against losing clean to get others over,you're a Cena fan so you dont know how that system works because he never does it to show how it'd work. God forbid he do something like that. Damn right its flawless logic,unless your name is John Cena.
 
Top guys lose clean too. Take Ric Flair. In the 80s he did clean jobs to young guys like Barry Windham,the Von Erichs,Mike Rotundo etc. Why? He wanted to try and get them over as threats to him and build new stars.THATS what top guys do.

Yeah, Einstein, you're forgetting one little thing. Flair was a heel. It's different for heels than it is for faces. Even a simple wrestling fan such as yourself should know that.

Orton feuded w/ Taker,HHH,HBK and other top guys way before Cody and Ted were even close to being in WWE so try again with that hilarious line of thinking.

Orton was nowhere close to being the top guy back then. Cena, HHH, HBK, Batista, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, and Edge were all ahead of him. Orton didn't become one of the top two or three until 2009 when he had Rhodes and DiBiase with him.

You think Taker would've did a feud w/Randy if he thought he wasn't good enough? No way and you know it. And since you're such a stickler for cheating,what was Orton doing when in Evolution and against Taker? Scientific wrestling?

That's right. Now you're getting my point.

And about your Punk "logic," you really think Punk beating Cena by flukes got him over just as much if he beat him clean in their matches? No way and you know it. Cena never makes himself look weak in his matches.

Punk has held the title for over nine months and that's after wins over Cena that you find questionable. If they were clean, what would have changed? You really think Punk would be the top guy right now? You're insane.

And of course you'd be against losing clean to get others over,you're a Cena fan so you dont know how that system works because he never does it to show how it'd work. God forbid he do something like that. Damn right its flawless logic,unless your name is John Cena.

I feel my IQ dropping every second so I can empathize with you right now. I never said I was against losing clean to get others over. I said that it's not the end all be all. There's a major difference in Foley putting guys other and Cena putting guys over with the difference being that Foley was never the top guy that Cena currently is.
 
So if Cena wins all the time and never gets beat or even sells a beating(see the psstmatch promo after his match w/ Lesnar at the ER PPV where he cuts a promo and dont even sell the beating),why should any fan get involved in his matches if he always is gonna win them 99% of the time?

Top guys lose clean too. Take Ric Flair. In the 80s he did clean jobs to young guys like Barry Windham,the Von Erichs,Mike Rotundo etc. Why? He wanted to try and get them over as threats to him and build new stars.THATS what top guys do.Orton feuded w/ Taker,HHH,HBK and other top guys way before Cody and Ted were even close to being in WWE so try again with that hilarious line of thinking.

You think Taker would've did a feud w/Randy if he thought he wasn't good enough? No way and you know it. And since you're such a stickler for cheating,what was Orton doing when in Evolution and against Taker? Scientific wrestling?

And about your Punk "logic," you really think Punk beating Cena by flukes got him over just as much if he beat him clean in their matches? No way and you know it. Cena never makes himself look weak in his matches.

And of course you'd be against losing clean to get others over,you're a Cena fan so you dont know how that system works because he never does it to show how it'd work. God forbid he do something like that. Damn right its flawless logic,unless your name is John Cena.



Have you even SEEN John Cena get Irish whipped lately? What happens?
He flops right on his face and acts as if it's the end of his life.
Cena not selling a beating? let's see...



I can put up more samples if need be.
Personally, I never said Orton wasn't as good as Cena, the above proves this. I do, however, hate the man.
I actually agree with you on Punk. Cena DOES make himself look weak, see above.
There are Cena fans in the IWC? And flawless logic? What heel DOESN'T win unclean? It's one of the main ways to build heat, which is what they were doing by putting Punk over Cena 2 PPVs in a row unclean. Understand the guy won his first WWE title IN CHICAGO, so they had to counteract that with a way to build heat- hence, unclean victory.
Nobody has the name John Cena except the wrestler himself. If they do, they need some counseling.

EDIT: Aw, LJL, I wanted to get him first...
 
#5-R-Truth, looks like a 90s gangster and just gives a bunch of flashy moves that aren't impressive.

#4-Kofi Kingston, he's only liked because he's Jamaican, nobody can hate on a person with such a cool accent.

#3-Divas, none of them look like wrestlers, it's not believable. They're just fun to look at.

#2 Alberto Del Rio, not that good of a wrestler, gets over purely on character.

#1 Santino Marellla, not a lot of talent except comic relief.
 
Joe Mason,did Cena sell the beating he took from Brock at Extreme Rules? No,he cut a promo after the match and no sold everything!And then there was the Handicap Match w/Miz and Riley last year I already mentioned. Is that selling a beating? I can go on and on.

Id post the vids of his countless no sells but Im afraid Id explode the board there'd be so many.

What about the Bryan match on Raw a few weeks ago? He was beat up 75% of the match and then wins like it was nothing and no sold it all. How about those vids?

And Little Lawler,I did have an IQ before I read youre replies back.How long have you been watching wrestling? 2 years? Didnt matter Flair was a heel,he still was the top guy and put over guys to get them over.Can you honestly say your hero Cena has EVER done that? If he loves the biz so much like he says,he'd do clean jobs more often,it wont hurt him or WWE one bit.It'll help both.

Keep thinking that 3rd Grade logic about Orton only over while doing Legacy.Man thats rich. Next thing you'll say is Michaels never wouldve got over if it wasnt for Jannetty.And when did Punk become the top guy in WWE? Punk could hold that belt for the next 5 years straight and it'll still run around Cena(hence who always is in the main events)?
 
5.Ziggler:yeah,he sells good but can not carry the company on his shoulders.
4.Cody Rhodes:he's just an average guy.Don't get why people are so high on him
3.Big Show:Greatest big man since andre but this aint 1970's anymore.I couldn't care less about a giant man who just loses
2.Sheamus:When was the last times sheamus actually lost a match?Cena doesn't lose clean but atleast he loses.
1.John Cena:yes he is the no.1 guy but is not in the level of rock or austin or hogan.His wins are unbelivable.
 
I dont really have 5. Only John Cena. he's made to appear to be the best which is funny as hell. Overrated and overhyped. And for the record, Punks huge shoot got him over, not beating Cena. If not for the shoot, Punk could have beaten Cena and still wouldnt be as over. Like I said Cenas a joke and phony as hell. Been like that ever since 2006
 
In a good particular order:
1. CM Punk - It's impossible to talk about someone overrated and not include this guy there. He isn't better than any guy from the upper card. His matches are boring, in general, submission wrestling is dull. His reign was given because smarks wanted that, and he was one of the worst champions that I recall. All of his 9 months title reign, and not a single feud that stands out. Jesus, even Miz has one with John Cena and The Rock involved.

2. Daniel Bryan - Another guy that screams midcard being pushed like he was worth shit. He looks like a midget, I feel bad for Kane to be on the same ring as Bryan Danielson. He needs to scream to get attention, he needs to be a lunatic and have face off's with the typical fat guy from the Internet. He may be good in the ring, but Trent Barretta is also good in the ring so here you have it.

3. Sheamus - I can see myself as a 8 year old kid and enjoy Sheamus because he has an outstanding look, but has a character? Get te fuck out of here man. He is staler than Alberto Del Rio and I thought that was impossible.

4. Antonio Cesaro - Are you sensing a pattern? This "CHAMPION" does not have a character. He says 5 words in different languages and there you have it. His charisma is at the same level as my broomstick. Giving him the belt was awfull and shows the push they want to give him, so by that OVERRATED.

5. Brodus Clay - I don't know who had the idea, but I would like to slap the guy. Brodus does not have any skill at all. He can't even dance... Get him out of my TV and demote all the others above!
 
My top five overrated wrestlers:

Sin Cara: The guy just doesn't seem to be working out for me. He hasn't been able to adapt the lucha libre style as well as Rey Mysterio or even ADR did. He will end up injuring somebody or himself again. Get rid.

Seamus: Boring. I prefered him as a heel but he is even more Superhero than Cena at the moment; I mean the guy NEVER loses. Big man, interesting character but needs to put over other stars to put himself over.

Zach Ryder: You had your time, the WWE gave you your opportunity now disappear back into your shell and don't come back. The guy is a poor wrestler with little charisma and less talent. Sorry but I think he sucks.

Santino: He isn't even Italian!! Cobra is the worst finishing move ever and he is just there for the kids. Thats fair enough, but don't put him in matches with decent wrestlers and have him come out on top. Cannon fodder at best.

ADR: Sad for me to say this as I really enjoyed him when he arrived with all his 'destiny' talk but now he seems to be getting a little stale. Like a lot of superstars, I think he needs a good feud with somebody to invigorate his character.

I have no dramas with Cena. I personally, and it's only my opinion, think he is excellent on the microphone. His promos are passionate and he is a clear speaker. So what if his jokes are lame, so is 75% of the WWE at the moment. He came into his own against The Rock and I think beat him in the battle of the promos with his coup de gras been the script on the back of the hand jibe. Yes, I hate his matches and would like to see more back and forth action from him but hey, we can't have it all. He seems a legit good guy, a nice all rounder and ultimately if he garners a reaction, be it boos or cheers then he is successful. When you come out and the crowd dip back into their pop corn then you aint doing your job correctly.
 
Joe Mason,did Cena sell the beating he took from Brock at Extreme Rules? No,he cut a promo after the match and no sold everything!And then there was the Handicap Match w/Miz and Riley last year I already mentioned. Is that selling a beating? I can go on and on.

Id post the vids of his countless no sells but Im afraid Id explode the board there'd be so many.

What about the Bryan match on Raw a few weeks ago? He was beat up 75% of the match and then wins like it was nothing and no sold it all. How about those vids?

This only proves a stalemate. Cena has both oversold and undersold matches. The two of us can counter back and forth, but it won't really prove much of anything. Every superstar either sells well or no sells.
Agree with you on the matches you mentioned, but you must agree with me on the match I mentioned, as well as several others.
 

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