TNA Charlotte: Round 1, Match 6: #26 John Morrison vs. #39 Jack Swagger

[Y 2 Jake]

Wait, isn't this the same Jack Swagga that is sooooo good that he can't even get a title match at Wrestlemania this year because Mcmahon doesn't think he is capable of having a good match on live TV.

You don't think they'll just throw him in a match with Evan Bourne or Tommy Dreamer?

isn't this the same Jack Swagga that stunk the joint up last month at No Way Out with a reliable worker like Finlay working iwth him in the match?

Surely the fault of Finlay and Hornswoggle. Nobody ever said Swagger wasn't green. So it should be up to Finlay to help the man. And while Finaly is a charisma vacuum, it's usually Hornswoggle who get's his heat.

Swagger, the rookie, was to blame just as much as Finlay, the vet, was.

Jack Swagga, is about 6'4' and 275 pounds of over rated hype at this point.

Why do people like Morrison again?

The guy is a green rookie that hasn't proven shit yet except that he is ready to handle the C title in the company on the C show, that's about it.

So he IS ready. Good. We both agree that WWE put the title on him because they saw more potential in him than anybody else on that brand.

John Morison was at least remotely enjoyable to watch while he was ECW champion. His feud with CM Punk showed more out of that then Swagga has shown his entire short career.

The Punk/Nitro feud was terrible. There was nothing even remotely memorable about it. Other than, yes, when Punk won the belt off him. Both have had unspectacular reigns. But one is in his first 6 months on the roster.

 

[Rusty]

Morrison wins this. I'd personally love to see this match if one of them turned face. It's in the TNA region, this instantly gives to edge to John Morrison seeing as he utilizes the ring ropes much more often than Swagger. Swagger has only accomplished an ECW Championship reign, one that couldn't even get him on the Wrestlemania card. While John Morrison has become the main focus of the tag team division for the past 2 years. He's carried ECW and had a tremendous feud with CM Punk.

Seriously, his matches with Punk were some of the best I saw in 2007. He's just more credible and Swagger is still relatively new to the company. So Morrison wins this in what would be a good long match.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Really scraping the barrel when you have to make the point that he's the main focus of a non-existent tag division. But to be fair, there's isn't anything you can really say about Morrison. The guy is so bland and boring it's unreal.

The guy also hasn't carried ECW, he's on that show via a WWE.com roster page only. He and The Miz flit between each brand almost equally.

I also feel sorry for you Rusty if Punk vs. Morrison were producing some of the best matches you saw in 2007. Not bad matches by any means. Just blah.

Vote Swagger. The lesser of two evils.

 

[Rusty]

Really scraping the barrel when you have to make the point that he's the main focus of a non-existent tag division. But to be fair, there's isn't anything you can really say about Morrison. The guy is so bland and boring it's unreal.

The guy also hasn't carried ECW, he's on that show via a WWE.com roster page only. He and The Miz flit between each brand almost equally.

I also feel sorry for you Rusty if Punk vs. Morrison were producing some of the best matches you saw in 2007. Not bad matches by any means. Just blah.

Vote Swagger. The lesser of two evils.

Swagger's has been involved in 2 pay per view matches. One of them was against Matt Hardy, you know the guy who the IWC dislikes. The other was a bad match against Finlay, a man who is over 50 years of age and needs a midget to get over as a babyface. At least Morrison won his ECW Title on pay per view.

Plus, Swagger's best matches have been against Hardy and Tommy Dreamer. He hasn't even entered the real competition yet as he's stuck on the WWE's third rate show. Morrison is a workhorse, and the guy has even pinned Shawn Michaels. Even if it was in a tag team match, he still did it. At least I think he did.

John Morrison put on many great matches with CM Punk. They weren't the best of 2007, but when it comes to free TV matches from that year, there weren't a real lot of matches that were better than the matches those two guys had.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Swagger's has been involved in 2 pay per view matches.

So? In the 6 months or so that Swagger has been on the main roster he's been on two PPVs, but how many was Morrison in over the course of 2008? Maybe 4 or 5.

One of them was against Matt Hardy, you know the guy who the IWC dislikes.

I thought they liked him. Good match by the way.

The other was a bad match against Finlay,

It was an average match, it just had no heat.

a man who is over 50 years of age and needs a midget to get over as a babyface.

Everybody lives midgets. It'd be my plan to give one to most of the boring wrestlers in WWE.

At least Morrison won his ECW Title on pay per view.

As a last minute replacement. He wouldn't have been on the show were it not for Benoit. Even then he only got the title because the proposed Benoit/Punk feud wouldn't have worked with the rookie as champ. If they knew Benoit wouldn't be coming back, then Morrison wouldn't have won.

Plus, Swagger's best matches have been against Hardy and Tommy Dreamer.

Matt Hardy vs. Jack Swagger, winner Jack Swagger. Matt Hardy vs. John Morrison, who's the bigger more over star?, winner Matt Hardy.

He hasn't even entered the real competition yet as he's stuck on the WWE's third rate show.

Morrison was demoted because he wasn't ready for the big shows. He now goes to Smackdown & Raw primarily to lose.

Morrison is a workhorse, and the guy has even pinned Shawn Michaels. Even if it was in a tag team match, he still did it. At least I think he did.

Workhorse? He bumps a lot, I guess that makes him a workhorse. But he only bumps like that to draw attention to himself. If he was intresting he wouldn't need to.

 

[gd]

I don't understand why so many people are voting for Morrison. I can't say that he has done anything that extraordinary as a singles competitor, and Jack Swagger has become a bigger star than him in just 4 months.

 

[Luther_Hull]

I've voted for Swagger because I'm going kayfabe and I see no conceivable way of Morrison beating Swagger. Swagger is a beast, he'd easily overpower Morrison, he's faster, fitter and stronger. Has the guy even lost a match cleanly yet? Swagger wins this one easily.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I really wanted Swagger to win here, but my problem is that Miz being at ringside creates a huge problem for Swagger. These hetero life partners seem to be each others security blanket, and with their tag prowess, it would be problem for Morrison to distract the ref while Miz changed the course of the match,

Furthermore, the six sided ring is an advantage for Morrison. Having more places to jump from really creates a problem for Swagger. Morrison can hit the springboard kick from so many places. In a tough match, Morrison's quickness and experience carries him to a win.

 

[Rusty]

So? In the 6 months or so that Swagger has been on the main roster he's been on two PPVs, but how many was Morrison in over the course of 2008? Maybe 4 or 5.

I'm implying that the experience advantage goes to Morrison. The guy has been with the company for about 5 years now.

I thought they liked him. Good match by the way.

They probably love him now because he's a heel. Average match though.

It was an average match, it just had no heat.

Morrison's matches are better and more interesting. Even though he is hardly booed.

As a last minute replacement. He wouldn't have been on the show were it not for Benoit. Even then he only got the title because the proposed Benoit/Punk feud wouldn't have worked with the rookie as champ. If they knew Benoit wouldn't be coming back, then Morrison wouldn't have won.

They could have just cancelled the match and put it on the next edition of ECW, but they didn't. Swagger wasn't trusted to win a title on pay per view, so the WWE gave it to him on an episode of ECW.

Matt Hardy vs. Jack Swagger, winner Jack Swagger. Matt Hardy vs. John Morrison, who's the bigger more over star?, winner Matt Hardy.

Swagger only beat Hardy because he was going to Smackdown, and the WWE needed to get the title off him. If this match took place prior to this, Matt Hardy probably would have won. Morrison has beaten former world champions in Rey Mysterio and Shawn Michaels, Swagger hasn't.

Morrison was demoted because he wasn't ready for the big shows. He now goes to Smackdown & Raw primarily to lose.

Not really, he doesn't lose that often. Unlike Swagger, at least Morrison actually gets to work on live shows and even on Smackdown where he gets much more exposure.

Workhorse? He bumps a lot, I guess that makes him a workhorse. But he only bumps like that to draw attention to himself. If he was intresting he wouldn't need to.

Yeah, he's a workhorse because he regularly wrestles on Raw, Smackdown and ECW. Swagger basically only wrestles on ECW. Jack Swagger isn't even trusted with the ECW Championship, which is why the WWE thinks he is not worthy of wrestling on the Wrestlemania card.

 

[CENAtion]

HBK wins this one...oops...i mean John Morrison. I really like the potential of Morrison he has the speed, agility, high flying, and strength in my opinion to become a huge star and to get past Jack Swagger. I am a fan of Swagger but to me he is to green and will get caught making a mistake that Morrison will catch him on and move onto the next round.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I'm implying that the experience advantage goes to Morrison. The guy has been with the company for about 5 years now.

5 years and he's done nothing. A worthless IC title reign, a worthless ECW reign and several pointless tag title reigns. It'd a good belt haul, but none of those reigns meant shit.

I like how London & Kendricks reign was worthless yet the long Miz & Morrison reign wasn't. Even though Londrick defended the belts in 15 minute long matches each week. While The Miz & Morrison rarely defended the belts.

Morrison's matches are better

Not really. Like I said, he sells very well. But he also loses all those matches.

and more interesting.

The Miz, Shad or JTG maybe. All have more charisma than Morrison.

Even though he is hardly booed.

Yeah, shit heel.

They could have just cancelled the match and put it on the next edition of ECW, but they didn't. Swagger wasn't trusted to win a title on pay per view, so the WWE gave it to him on an episode of ECW.

Matt Hardy needed a title rematch, but they were going with the Hardy vs. Hardy storyline. There wasn't another way to do it effectively.

Swagger only beat Hardy because he was going to Smackdown, and the WWE needed to get the title off him. If this match took place prior to this, Matt Hardy probably would have won. Morrison has beaten former world champions in Rey Mysterio and Shawn Michaels, Swagger hasn't.

Like I've said before. Swagger has only been on the roster for 6 months, so he hasn't had chance to face Rey Mysterio or HBK. Like you said, Morrison has been on the roster for 5 years. And only 5 years later was he able to get pins over bigger caliber wrestlers.

Anyway, Matt Hardy is bigger than Rey Mysterio at this moment in time.

Not really, he doesn't lose that often. Unlike Swagger, at least Morrison actually gets to work on live shows and even on Smackdown where he gets much more exposure.

Again, nobody is arguing that Swagger isn't green and shouldn't be kept on ECW.

Yeah, he's a workhorse because he regularly wrestles on Raw, Smackdown and ECW. Swagger basically only wrestles on ECW. Jack Swagger isn't even trusted with the ECW Championship, which is why the WWE thinks he is not worthy of wrestling on the Wrestlemania card.

But WWE seemingly won't put Morrison in a singles match on WrestleMania, yet in all likelyhood, Swagger will probably get a singles match added this week. Or even on the night.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

Man, I was going for Morrison, but after reading what some of his detractors have said, I have to go with Swagger. Admittedly, Morrison has accomplished more than Swagger, but he has years on him. Also, if we were to compare Morrison's first year with the company with that of Swagger's (which hasn't even fully come about yet), then Swagger has accomplished much more than Morrison. Furthermore, this is the one match-up where I can't ignore the future; Morrison's is so uncertain, while Swagger's is certainly bright (if he can do something about the voice, that is).