Buckle your seat belts it's going to be a turbulent ride.
I have read quite enough and am fed up with a lot of shit. I hear either the same thing regurgitated over and over, or a million different things that are either irrelevant or poorly thought out. I am going to show you here how and why that is so, and if your not convinced at the end I will know you are lacking in mental prowess. I won't bother actually putting names to the quotes I am going to destroy, you will just know who you are and sink into your individual shame.
Hell, WWE talks trash about how bad the storylines in WCW were and the crap they have been feeding us lately is worse than the worst of the WCW days.
Really now? So the LWO, overextended overused NWO, and pinata matches were great huh? I remember a match from WCW's earlier years where they had some kind of "electrocution" match where you had to strap your opponent into an electric chair and flip the switch, it was cheesy and ridiculous in every manner.
It is historical fact that the poor storylines in WCW were a large contributor to their downfall. Also, with the storylines being as weak as they were they in fact reused the same storylines all the time giving out old product instead of thinking up something new.
The truth is that the NWO was the only really good storyline that WCW ever had. You can argue any nostalgic moment or storyline you can remember in your fragile little mind, but you can't name me a storyline that brought as much success to WCW. With that, all you can say for WCW is NWO. I know, I know WCW was the greatest thing on the planet and we are all now deprived of such entertainment I get it, GET OVER IT!!!
They were only successful because they were able to draw WWF talent over there to make the appearance of a stronger, better product. In all truth that company was a cluster-fucked mess, ticking time-bomb waiting to explode as it was mismanaged, and sapped dry viable of resources.
I have actually been having more fun watching the NWA because at least those guys wrestle. What a concept.
No, you are having more fun watching it because you perceive it as something cooler and different, as you have jumped onto the bandwagon of people who have somehow made it some kind of cool fad to hate anything WWE, mostly you in the IWC. If it's not some jobber in an "indy" federation it's crap, and you have nothing good to say about the big time, simply because it is that, the pinnacle that your beloved jobber only wished they could reach.
As for the comment of the programming you are watching having people who actually "wrestle" as you put it, what then would you say that the big boys at WWE do? Here's a reality check for you since obviously you are begging for it. The guys in WWE are there for a reason, because they do what they do better than anyone else in the world. These guys are the best wrestlers out there. Why? because they have to not only be excellent in the ring, and perform in front of crowds our "johnny-come-lately" would freeze up in, but they do every bit as much outside the ring as they do in it, and not everyone can do that.
Most people can't even handle the schedule the WWE guys do, and you have the nerve to say that they are no good at what they do? The standards they are held to are higher than that of anyone anywhere else in the world. While you and I are on the internet debating every aspect of their being, those guys are putting on matches in places you've never even been or heard of, traveling endlessly, spending time with fans out of the kindness of their hearts, and ton of other shit that would have you begging for it all to stop. So the moral of the story here is not to be so quick to judge these guys who do what you can never, or will never do.
I am so waiting for a quality wrestling program to come along.
Obviously whatever that incarnation would consist of would be pretty lacking in depth, creativity, thought, reason, or structure. Kind of like your whole post!
I know that several of you hate TNA, but man, they at least seem to have more direction than WWE does right now.
I don't hate TNA, I watch it all the time to see it fall flat on it's face. TNA has dick for direction ok. Their storylines are pathetic at best. And don't try to say that it isn't just like a low budget WCW either, all the way down to the M.E.M./NWO. Add to that their ridiculous gimmick matches that are obvious rips of WWE stuff, or their generic roster made of primarily used up WWE left overs or can't hack-it's and you have a pretty solid generic WCW. Argue differently if you can, I will get you there too.
Now if only they could figure out how to get the wrestlers to STFU and wrestle, TNA might just go somewhere.
That's never going to happen and it can't. This is just further proof that you know shit about wrestling. They have to keep people on the mic, it's part of a thing called story and character development. The key though is to get them to say something useful and relevant in a storyline that is either useful or relevant as well. TNA is never going to get anywhere until Ted Turner takes over, hires Eric Bischoff, brings back Hogan and Hall to reform the NWO, 90% of the roster joins the NWO, the rest of the company and it's product becomes irrelevant and underhanded filler, and the company folds. Most of that is already happening and I'm not too far off aside from the Ted Turner - Eric Bischoff thing and the NWO, instead it's Mick Foley, Jeff Jarret who is a joke, and the MEM.
As for WWE, that company needs a total overhaul.
Yep, that's right because apparently everything else they've done has failed. I guess their just missing your creative genius and exquisite vision to steer the company in the right direction.
It's gotten old, stale, predictable, and they are in the worst rut ever. No Tag Team Division, the Womens Division is a joke anymore, and in general, the belts mean nothing anymore. They are like hood ornaments, either you got one or you don't. Just an opinion.
Ok. I won't say that it hasn't become predictable, but what wrestling isn't after you have watched it for quite some time? TNA is every bit as predictable let me show you. This is the breakdown of every week of TNA Impact!.
The show starts and they talk about how crazy everything has been and how crazy the show is going to be. Then generally you have someone come out and talk just like you said they do on RAW and SD, for a period of time and over hype everything in their storyline making it even more unbelievable and cheesy. It is all too apparent that they are just trying to perform a WWE style monologue. Then someone interrupts the speaker, a fight of some kind ensues, and then after that they might have a highly pointless match.
By this time they have announced the main event and show some really shitty backstage promo that lacks authenticity, and hype the main event until you don't even want to see it because you know it never could be anywhere near as good as they tell you it will be. After that we generally have a womens match in a division with one chick who is bigger than the rest by about 4 divas. So, naturally she beats the shit out of them, or it's a complete fluke or unbelievable when she looses. All of the knockouts are completely outshined by the Divas of WWE, and as a result also look cheap and second rate. After the match of listening to Don West and Mike Tenay completely over hype their womens division you just want to see Mickey James, Melina, Beth Phoenix, and Jillian Hall just for added insult show up and wipe the floor with the so called "Knockouts".
From there we have mid card filler with either a tag team or x-division guys. They put on a decent match so you feel a little redeemed, and then the announcers and another back stage or possibly in-ring to throw you off promo comes on to remind you of the monumental, can't miss match that will take place later as always. And don't forget to plug the PPV that no one cares about 500 times, and they always talk about how bad their going to beat their opponent at said PPV and never seem to get to in on the show. You are generally left with a lack luster main event that is either a. pointless or b. pointless as well. Then the announcers thank you for watching and try to sell you on that PPV one more time before the end of the show.
Sound familiar?
You also mentioned belts being pointless. I can't imagine a more blatantly pointless belt than the TNA "Legends" title, or for instance the WCW "Television" title. That was such a joke Scott Hall threw it away. WWE needs to push it's mid card a little better but it's titles are still the most valuable in the business. So if you want to argue their lack of value and they are the most valuable in the business, than how cheap and invaluable are the TNA titles or any other independent feds titles for that matter?
Moving on now.
I absolutely 100% agree that the WWE needs major changes beyond anyone's comprehension in order to regain popularity and bring my interests back.
You should already know you are doomed for that statement.
"Changes beyond anyone's comprehension"? Maybe beyond your comprehension but the WWE's problems are simple and few. As far as popularity goes they are the most popular company in history, the most profitable, and the most dominant, so where you conjured op the idea that they need to recover somehow is pretty far beyond my comprehension, and that's saying a lot.
As far as bringing back your individual interest I am sure none of them are worried about that. They apparently have enough of your interest that you still watch it no matter how much you bitch about it, or how bad you say it is. It must not be that bad or you wouldn't even bother watching at all. So, as far as I can tell they are doing just fine.
Right now, I see 3 obvious problems among many that are out there.
1. Overexposure
2. Predictable Storylines
3. Create Characters people feel a connection with
Ok I'm on board. This doesn't sound too unreasonable, let's see how you back your statements up.
First, Wrestling is everywhere these days, whether its online, WWE on demand, raw, smackdown, PPVs and this overexposure has kind of created a stale product.
This is the most intelligible thing you have said and hopefully not the last. There is still hope for you after all. It makes sense as I was talking about earlier. The more you watch it, obviously it will become more predictable as you get used to their style of programming. That's not entirely their fault. Some of it is just that the fans are more informed as well. Reading everything that is supposed to happen on the internet before it happens would take away quite a bit of the suspense and unpredictability out of it. Common Sense folks!!! This isn't some massive failure of the business, this kind of dilemma occurs naturally.
I recently saw an old WWE Raw is war from around 96 or 07 and the characters seemed more life like and realistic. Among some of things I noticed was wrestlers coming out in ordinary street clothes and jeans, attitude and characters that we could all relate too.
First of all I will argue greatly against the quality of characters and their life like and realistic properties no matter what they wore. You are basically just referring to Stone Cold, the guy all the rednecks, uneducated people, and nascar fans could relate to, that's it. Other than that we had HBK as we still do, Bret Hart as we still should have, Taker who is still around, and then we get into guy's like Barry Horrowitz, Aldo Mantoya, The Godwinns, The Headbangers, Scott Putski, and Flash Funk to name a few. They were all crap, and mostly unbelievable or just had bad gimmicks. I mean seriously, the Portuguese man of War? face painted headbangers? Hog Farmers for god sake? Or even one guy who's gimmick was basically just being a Jewish guy who always lost? Yeah great, I can see how maybe you connected to those guys but I am a little more demanding.
How should the WWE move forward:
Of course, none of this will never happen, but its just my opinion.
First, Vince needs to quit dragging his wrestlers through the mud and start giving vacations and time off or maybe create seasons.
This is just not in the nature of the business. This still has nothing to do with the visual product on television or the storylines.
Quit hiring hollywood writers and let the wrestlers be themselves and let them write their own promos.
A company named WCW tried that, look where it got them. Turned out great huh? That's what happens when the talent tries to run the show. It fails.
Finally, lets get back to solid wrestling action with less high risk stuff that can cause serious injuries.
WWE gives a health balance of both end of story.
I agree with it too.... But the funny thing is I was a bigger WCW fan.... And all the storylines are recycled.... And half we're originally from WCW....
Another sheep just agreeing and making assumptions rather than giving facts. You state that all the storylines are recycled? Name me 3-5 since 2001 that are obvious and blatant recycles. Put the facts where your mouth is.
But that doesn't mean they will change!
They have the most entertaining product! so basically if you don't like it watch the other brand! And if thats not good enough watch TNA... Or ROH if you can find it!
Watching TNA or other brands as alternatives isn't a bad idea. Watching TNA will remind you why you watch WWE normally instead. ROH however, not good. I know you wrestling purists and WWE haters who are more than likely ROH fans won't like this, but I don't give a shit! ROH sucks, bad. I watched a ROH PPV literally put an entire theater to sleep that was waiting to see a WWE PPV ok, that's bad. It was very random with things happening for no reason, with less wrestling than falling through furniture, or just beating people with weapons. Wrestling was about the last thing they were worried about. Then when I saw their actual wrestling matches they were sleepers too.
Sigh!
I wish I could be a writer! I wouldn't even charge for my work! just a chance to write a good storyline would be payment enough!
You have provided enough evidence to support that it is a good thing you aren't a writer, that's why you wouldn't have to charge for your work, no one would give you a job. If you presented some of the things you said above the WWE would laugh at you, that is if you could even get far enough to have them laugh in your face.
NCAA has really good matches for what your looking for! Many people like Angle, Lesnar, Haas, Benjamin.... plus many others.... and guess what? They all came from the NCAA!
College wrestling is not the talent pool. True, people with that background can transition into Pro Wrestling good enough but that is not the answer, that's all I am saying. Even more people didn't come from the NCAA scene than have so that's not it.
I personally think the WWE needs to focus on a balance of Wrestling and Storyline. We need matches like we had from WCW when the Cruiserweight division was amazing.
One step forward, and two steps back.
The balance of storyline and wrestling was right on, that is what they are trying to do now. But going and saying we need matches like the WCW Cruiserweight division was incredibly stupid. it's like your saying "Yep, all they need is to dig up more WCW nostalgia and they'll be fine." No that's not it either and all this tak from everybody about WCW is making me sick.
This was about all I wanted to respond to. Most of the other stuff I read was mindless babble anyways but these were the things that stood out from everything else. Most of you wither agreed with these views or didn't. For those of you who didn't agree with all this stuff I addressed above, good for you. Don't get sucked in to this IWC fad of hating everything WWE, it's not perfect but damn it, it's the best there is. They do their best, and are under more pressure than any of you can imagine or could ever handle ok. It's not like they have some easy everyday task to fulfill. They have to keep the biggest and best wrestling company in history or on the planet afloat and ahead of the competition. That's a lot of responsibility. In the middle of all of that and most importantly, they have to always figure out another way to entertain you which is apparently impossible as your standards are unreachable and unreasonable.
Overall I feel the problem has little to do with them. I say they do the best they can with what they have. I think the problem is people like a lot of you. You are so attached to the idea of everything else before now being so much better, you don't take the time to look and see how good the current product is since the merger. Instead of looking with an unbiased opinion you look with a predisposition to not like it, that is half the problem. You are always looking to find something wrong with everything. Just enjoy the best parts, and sit through the dull ones. The IWC along with everyone else has become like a spoiled kid who has the cool toy they asked for but still wants something better even though nothing better exists.
That's my view of things, and I think I am damn right on the money. If you think you can adequately make an intelligent retort against me please try, I am competitive. Otherwise, thank you for reading I hope you enjoyed it, and have a nice day.
