They should do "Shoot Arm Wrestling" in TNA (Khali/HHH as an example)

[Marty2Hotty]

Hey, my brother was watching SD, lol.. so i was just there..

They had this great khali guy (and some fan who now is in the biz doing the mic work for him) arm wrestle HHH fakely... in real life, khali would win..

I was thinking, "damn, i'd watch this if TNA had the wrestlers REALLY face each other in arm wrestling"

sorta like brawl for all did 10 years ago.. I'm actually intrigued at who would win

(bart gunn being the best and getting knocked out in 5 seconds by butterbean was classic, btw)

What do you guys think?

 

[Uncle Sam]

I think it was stupid when Triple H and Khali did it, and it would be stupid if TNA did it. Actually, it'd be stupid if they did it once. It would be beyond stupid if they carried on doing it. I mean, honestly, what purpose does it serve that a promo or a build up match can't do better? None. I'm not even sure if it serves a purpose. If you wanna know who's stronger than who outside of kayfabe, sure. Don't really see the point in that though.

The mighty Super Eric would just come out champion - he's got SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH!

 

[Marty2Hotty]

it'd be pretty exciting if say a Christian Cage beat a big guy like Abyss (shoot) in a real arm wrestling match.. It's not fake MMA - becausereal MMA people get hurt

This is arm wrestling, and after watching HHH/Khali - looking blatantly fake and cartoony, i was like "Khali would in FOR REAL" - then i thought, wouldn't it be great if they did a REAL life one

Like brawl for all did 10 years ago

I'd be really intrigued who teh 'strongest' male or female is for TNA

maybe Scott Steiner (but he's on roids0

 

[klunderbunker]

There was an arm wrestling tournament in WCW in 1992 although I'm not sure if it was worked or a shoot. Anyone else remember it? There's a reason for that. Arm wrestling in pro wrestling is boring. No one could cre less about what's going on You keep referencing the Brawl for All. Do you remember what was chanted the entire time? We Want Wrestling. When I turn on my tv on monday or thursday or whenever, I want to see two guys actually wrestling, not who's stronger. If taht was all that it took, you could map the whole thing out in about 20 seconds. There's no intrigue, it's dull to watch, and the winner would be cared about for all of half a second. It's pointless, plain and simple.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

It's not boring at all.. HHH/Khali - there was reaction when each of them were "winning" it. It's bragging rights to say that you can beat another wrestler in arm wrestling.. it's the strongest arm competition.

i saw hhh/khali

Wouldn't you guys be interested in who is the best arm wrestler in TNA? This can be like only 5-10 minutes a week.. they have their entrances

and whoever wins will get a HUGE pop from the crowd.. Let's say Petey WIlliams beats Abyss in a shoot arm wrestling match... wouldn't you be shocked?

I think this would be awesome like Brawl For All - but in a way that nobody gets hurt (mma)...

The winner gets bragging rights to add to hsi character

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The two finalists could END UP with a wrestling feud..

I would put one segment a week.. and test it out - SHOOT arm wrestling matches - see how the crowd reacts, see how intriguign it is.. I know I"d be intrigued... because it'd be real...

Yeah, if WWE did this, I'd watch for sure, if it was REAL.... I mean, I love Ru$so's storylines and everything and I remember reading about x0-division being with judges or seomthign.. but if they can pull somethingl ike this off.. just to see who is the greatest arme wreslter, i'd watch

I'd watch if TNA OR WWE did it.. only if it was real though. 10 mins a week - just like brawl for all is all you need. Maybe two per week?

 

[klunderbunker]

You're missing the point. You're talking abnout if a guy like Petey beats Abyss. If this happens, I'd be stunned. I'm never stunned, and I wouldn't be here, because it wouldn't happen. The other problem is that no one would be interested in seeing two guy do their entrances then come into the ring for something that would take thirty seconds then have it end and they go back. Have you ever seen real arm wrestling competitions on ESPN? Each match takes maybe 5 seconds. WWE plays it up for theatrics. And no, whoever wins wouldn't get a huge pop from the crowd. Bart Gunn won Brawl for All and where is he now? Exactly. No one knows and less people care. Stuff like this isn't popular in pro wrestling. If people want to see real competition they'll watch MMA or other sports.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

TNA loves stealing crap from WWE so I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I hate arm wrestling in the WWE and I would hate it in TNA. It's stupid and is only designed to further a feud. I'm gonna break down the two I remember seeing.

Mr. McMahon/Zach Gowan: This was stupid and only done to make Vince look like a dick and to make people feel sorry for Gowan. They were playing on the fact that the guy only had 1 leg. We had no winner

Khali/HHH: This was only done to further their feud going into SS. After a few minutes of going back and forth until they get pissed and start beating each other up. Again it was pointless and stupid. There was no winner.

In closing it would make TNA more horrible than they are now if they bring in arm wrestling.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

The other problem is that no one would be interested in seeing two guy do their entrances then come into the ring for something that would take thirty seconds then have it end and they go back.

HHH/Khali?
Brawl For All?

Okay, maybe scrap the entrances then

This wouldnt be "stealing" from WWE because I"m requesting a shoot arm wrestling competition

 

[Hyorinmaru]

This wouldnt be "stealing" from WWE because I"m requesting a shoot arm wrestling competition

People wouldn't see it that way. WWE started doing arm wrestling first, if TNA does it now then most people will see it as them stealing another concept from WWE. Also it wouldn't change the fact that it would od justas bead in TNA as it does in WWE. No one watches either company for Arm Wrestling.

 

[klunderbunker]

No they'd be stealing from WCW, which is a totally pointless detail. The point is, next to no one would care. Arm wrestling is used as a way to get an angle over and nothing more. It's a waste of time just like all of the other showdowns like it. I really don't get what you're thinking would happen with this anyway. The fans would be bored with it as it's nothing more than a strength contest. If the most dominant wrestler was decided on strength then Big Show and Mark Henry would main event WM every year.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

TNA did arm wrestling match for the women before..

That's BS that noone willcare. You think people care bout seeing the same fake wrestling match every week? Yeah, Russo books some entertaining matches, but I'm just suggesting that they spend like 5-10 minutes on a shoot arm wrestling competition to see what happens and how it goes. They can even tape it to see the reaction and if it's really bad.. they can cut it

I know if WWE or TNA did shoot arm wwrestling, I'd check it out just to see who would win.. it wouldn't be pointless in my eyes because it may draw new viewers who tune in to see some real stufff

I think it's more of "a waste of time" to see MMG fight in a 20 minute match that doesn't progress any feuds, than have a reality arm wrestling competition match with wrestlers to determine who is the best there..

In YOUR opinion, people will be bored, but WWE isn't doing anything to get me to watch their show. If they did this for a portion of their show, I'd check out Raw to see if a Cena can be a Triple H in a shoot arm wrestling match

I guess Big Show or Mark Henry would win in WWE - although we don't know for sure...

Maybe X division should have their own division.. and the heavyweights should go at it. Remember, TNA is taped... if a small guy like AJ beats a Matt Morgan... it may put AJ over. next week, morgan can cut a promos aying he'll whip his ass in a wreslting match

There's countless possibilities, bottom line - it's different, it's real and it hurts nobody (MMA would injure). I'd watch it if WWE or TNA tried it... because it's real competition.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Marty people don't watch WWE or TNA for 'Real' competition that's what MMA is for. People watch wrestling to see wrestling. Only a few people (You) have any interest in seeing an arm wrestling match. It would be boring and it would be stupid. I just don't understand you. Why do you watch wrestling if you don't care about the wrestling? That's just a question that's been bugging me for a while.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yes it's real competition, but that's not what wrestling is about. Wrestling is entertainment, nothing more. Yes they're athletes, but what they do isn't really the best man winning. The fans have proven in Brawl for All that they're uninterested in real competition. The main problem is that this is TNA Wrestling. Not The National Arm Wrestling League. Arm wrestling is used as a method for advancing feuds and that's all it should be used for. The arm wrestling "competition" would take all of 5 minutes to do the whole thing and what would it really accomplish anyway other than taking up what could be a match.

 

[justinsayne]

It's not boring at all.. HHH/Khali - there was reaction when each of them were "winning" it. It's bragging rights to say that you can beat another wrestler in arm wrestling.. it's the strongest arm competition.

It's incrediably boring nobody is gonna give a shit about a shoot arm wrestling match, you know what the fans at the show are gonna do when this comes on?, they're gonna get up, go to the bathroom and take a shit, no one cares about arm wrestling, that is not what they come to see

Wouldn't you guys be interested in who is the best arm wrestler in TNA? This can be like only 5-10 minutes a week.. they have their entrances

No, not at all, if I wanted to know who was the best arm wrestler in the world I would watch the Professional Arm wrestling federation, or what ever the fuck they call it, but I don't watch it, no why?, cause I don't give a shit about arm wrestling

and whoever wins will get a HUGE pop from the crowd.. Let's say Petey WIlliams beats Abyss in a shoot arm wrestling match... wouldn't you be shocked?

You mean the crowd that is preoccupied with using that time to take a dump, or get something to dirnk, etc..., yeah you'd get a better reaction from a Charlie Haas match than this crap

I think this would be awesome like Brawl For All - but in a way that nobody gets hurt (mma)...

It's still possible to injure your wrist while arm wrestling, and Brawl for All was crap, I don't watch wrestling to see boxing, or armwrestling, I watch wrestling to see fucking wrestling

The winner gets bragging rights to add to hsi character

Who the fuck is gonna care, OMG that guy won an arm wrestling match, pfft who gives a fuck?, they are their to beat the shit out of each other, not fucking arm wrestle

The two finalists could END UP with a wrestling feud..

Or they could just skip all th pointless boring arm wrestling garbage and come up with a real good decent storyline to build the feud around, now there's a thought

I would put one segment a week.. and test it out - SHOOT arm wrestling matches - see how the crowd reacts, see how intriguign it is.. I know I"d be intrigued... because it'd be real...

You and nobody else, and just because it's real doesn't mean people are going to be intrigued by it, MMA is real, and I'm not the slightest bit intrigued by it, in fact I find it boring as all hell, kinda like arm wrestling

Yeah, if WWE did this, I'd watch for sure, if it was REAL.... I mean, I love Ru$so's storylines and everything and I remember reading about x0-division being with judges or seomthign.. but if they can pull somethingl ike this off.. just to see who is the greatest arme wreslter, i'd watch

I thought about responding to this but then realized I'd just be repeating myself again...Arm Wrestling=boring as hell, which means nobody would watch but you

 

[klunderbunker]

There's one other major flaw with this plan. TNA, WCW, WWE, name whatever company you like, has built itself up on trying to be "real." Kayfabe, as mostly dead as it is, still does exist in trying to make people believe that everything that the fans see in front of the camera is real. How would you plan to differentiate real (work) and real (shoot)? There's next to no way you can prove that what you're seeing is real or scripted and that is part of the flaw with this. Wrestling is scripted, just like it always has been. 90% of the time if not more when real life is added in, it bombs bad, just like this would.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

Marty people don't watch WWE or TNA for 'Real' competition that's what MMA is for. People watch wrestling to see wrestling. Only a few people (You) have any interest in seeing an arm wrestling match. It would be boring and it would be stupid. I just don't understand you. Why do you watch wrestling if you don't care about the wrestling? That's just a question that's been bugging me for a while.

I dont mind the wrestling, but i hate seeing the same match I have already seen, which is why i'm a huge fan of Russo - he tries to do different things. Again, I'm not asking for 2 hours of this to happen.. like TNA has "rough cut" and "karen's angle" and attitude era had Brawl For ALl for a while..

I just wouldn't mind a few segments a week dedicated to some shoot competition just to see who would win. it's good, it's different, it's real..and i think more people would be interested in seeing this than you assume

It's still possible to injure your wrist while arm wrestling, and Brawl for All was crap, I don't watch wrestling to see boxing, or armwrestling, I watch wrestling to see fucking wrestling

That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Wrestling isn't wrestling. Even for WWE and TNA.. there's lots of segments, character development, and even segments that have nothing to do with wrestling.

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The winner gets bragging rights to add to hsi character

Who the fuck is gonna care, OMG that guy won an arm wrestling match, pfft who gives a fuck?, they are their to beat the shit out of each other, not fucking arm wrestle

Then why the fuck did HHH/Kahli do it? TO progress a feud?

This can happen for real, and whatever story TNA can come up with can result from a real life loss/win from a REAL wrestling match. I"m trying to come up with new ideas that people like you are afraid to try. Obviously the ratings for wrestling as a whole are down due to crappy programming done by WWE>

WWF Attitude took the ratings to new heights, and they pushed the envelope in every angle possible. Sable/breasts, DX pushing the dialogue and immature level, Val Venis - the pornstar, Austin;McMahon segments being 20 minutes - THOSE ARE NOT WRESTLING. they're in a ring, they may be in the ring, and it may result in a match at a pPV - but it has nothign to do with wrestling.

armw restling is a competitive bout... and they did one on smackdown - SCRIPTED.

It would be DIFFERENT in this day and age to do somethign that is real, where people are most likely not going to injure themselves like mMA

and i''d rather watch somethign like this (just a segment or two a week) than watch a 20 minute match with AJ styles and Jerry Lynn - scripted

I like entertainment. Why are there weddings in wrestling? Why are there so much entertainment that is non-wrestling related in wrestling? wrestling is a soap opera - that's obvious. It's scripted entertainment - it's not MMA.. however, there is nothign wrong like a brawl for all to do somethign a little different to see who can arm wrestle..

Thye do fake arm wrestling matches to progress feuds every now and then, and that's fine

but after seeing a fake Khali vs HHH arm wrestling amtch, i'd prefer to see who would REALLY win. I think Khali would win in 5 seconds.. but instead, i got something that seemed and looked so fake, that i couldn't suspend my disbelief

I then thought, why wont' they just do it for real and let the fans watch the reality of things take place

YOUR opinion, WITHOUT EVEN WATCHING IT HAPPEN WITH PRO WRESTLERS, is the assumtpiont hat it'll be boring immediately. You haven't even seen it happen and the purpose of this thread was to suggest somethign that I wouldn't mind seeing because I'd like to see it.

klunderbunker.. yes, kayfabe is dead. HOw would you differentiate... That is a very good question and there are MANY ways to do this. what did you think of brawl for all doing it...

i dont think it will bomb bad... i think the commentators, and maybe a new judge need to present this in a way to make it feel real. There won't be any run-ins or any turns or anything. They may need an announcer to talk about it - without putting down the actual scripted wrestling angles on the show - and start it off with two lesser known wrestlers.

I dunno.. you're right, this is tricky.. there arre ways to do this.. and if creative decides to do it, i think they would need a meeting to make it look to the crowd that "THIS IS THE REAL STUFF"

I think after the match, the wrestlers would not get upset, and just be themselves.. and walk back.. and they can show a standing of it...

They may also need a Mark Madden or Vince Russo/Glenn Gilbertti doing commentary and going "this stuff is a shoot - not a storyline"

Why not just come out and say it? LOL