The Young Bucks wrestle like The Power Rangers

[Dirk]

They learned to wrestle sarcastically.

 

[Gelgarin]

I didn't much like them in TNA. I didn't even like them in authentic Dragon Gate, which seemed almost designed for their type. I wouldn't like them in NXT.

One note flips, superkicks are dreadful now matter how ironic you are about it.

 

[red ass skull muhfukkah]

I like them. Probably my favorite tag team right now, I like a little schtick with my wrestling. When wrestling is fun is when I like it the best and that's what they are all about.

 

[goalieman31]

The bucks are one of the best teams in the world period. Watch the matches theyve had in PWG just incredible. Yea they go through some spot monkey phases in ROH but that's what ROH wants. Ive seen so many great matches by them even if you dont like them they deserve your respect.

 

[Papa Pillman]

The bucks are one of the best teams in the world period. Watch the matches theyve had in PWG just incredible. Yea they go through some spot monkey phases in ROH but that's what ROH wants. Ive seen so many great matches by them even if you dont like them they deserve your respect.

As much as I love the Bucks(a fully converted ex-hater here), I'm on the floor laughing at the irony of calling their ROH matches "Spot Monkey phases" and saying that that is "what ROH wants", while lauding their PWG matches.

ROH isn't really a very "spotty" company, at least not by modern indy standards, while PWG(and don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan of PWG) is the "spottiest" company that exists in North America.

 

[ABMorales787]

The bucks are one of the best teams in the world period. Watch the matches theyve had in PWG just incredible. Yea they go through some spot monkey phases in ROH but that's what ROH wants. Ive seen so many great matches by them even if you dont like them they deserve your respect.

No. They just want attention. Respect is something you get when you show a good work ethic. In and out of the ring.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

Yeah, bro. I know you like 'em. But much like Matt and Jeff's jobber days, you can barely tell the Jackson's apart unless you remember the hair color.

Not like hair color is exactly a hard thing to remember to tell them apart. As well as what JMT said.

I'd sooner chew my own dick off than turn WWE down.

I wouldn't be surprised if The Bucks make more right now than they would going to WWE. Between NJPW and ROH alone I'm sure they match what they'd make in a year in WWE if not beat it. So they're not crazy for turning them down.

 

[MrHashasheen]

I'm not super enthused by the Bucks. Their matches in NJPW that I've seen are basically popcorn fodder at best.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Here's what bothers me about the Young Bucks hate...

I just know if they were in NXT right now doing their shtick nearly all of you would love it. But they have that indy stigma about them, which makes them automatically overrated spot monkeys by the IWC. Kevin Steen was a similar kind of piece of shit before he went to NXT, Daniel Bryan was an overrated piece of shit before going to WWE, and CM Punk the same exact thing. The Young Bucks are in that same boat of guys who WWE-IWC fans shit on now but I'm CERTAIN would love if they were in WWE (nowadays NXT.)

More of that bullshit Dragon Saga was going on about before. You're talking about the nonsense spewed by the moronic masses rather than addressing the legitimate criticisms. Go back and look at those threads where people shit on Steen going to the WWE. How many credible posters were in there shitting on him? Lariat? Do we still consider him credible on this sort of thing?

Both Punk and Bryan became much better workers when they went to the WWE. I've only seen one Steen match prior to his signing with the WWE but if that fucking abortion is any indication of what his prior work was, he has already improved tenfold since coming to NXT.

No one in this thread, that I can recall offhand, just labels people spot monkeys because they come from the indys. Yaz isn't an idiot. Killjoy isn't an idiot. I'm not an idiot. We know what it means to be a spot monkey. ANYONE who says the Bucks aren't spot monkeys is straight up lying to themselves. I'm fine with those kind of matches on the undercard, it's a good way to get the crowd fired up. It doesn't mean it's good wrestling.

 

[red ass skull muhfukkah]

They are spot monkeys but they are capable of doing more than that. They choose to do what they do as a fuck you to people who shit on them for being spot monkeys. You think they use too many super kicks? They have a super kick party. You being angry at them is exactly the reaction they want. They are the Animaniacs of wrestling, they incessantly annoy people and when someone blows up about something they do, they fucking do it more. They're gimmick is basically trolling.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

They are spot monkeys but they are capable of doing more than that. They choose to do what they do as a fuck you to people who shit on them for being spot monkeys. You think they use too many super kicks? They have a super kick party. You being angry at them is exactly the reaction they want. They are the Animaniacs of wrestling, they incessantly annoy people and when someone blows up about something they do, they fucking do it more. They're gimmick is basically trolling.

I swear to God this was what made Team Live Mas great over in WZCW.

 

[ABMorales787]

Weird. I thought Live Mas had some of that character development stuff. And actually listened when people said they were a bit too in your face with their gimmick. And Cerberus has it too.

 

[jmt225]

No. They just want attention. Respect is something you get when you show a good work ethic. In and out of the ring.

If it's work ethic that earns respect, then you should respect the Young Bucks more than any other indy wrestlers out there at the current moment, since for the past 2 years the Bucks take more bookings than ANYONE. From Japan to Europe to little farm shows... they're always on the road working their asses off, always giving the people their money's worth.

They're also devout Christians who come from strong family values and by all accounts are tremendous husbands and fathers, something very rare in this business.

No one in this thread, that I can recall offhand, just labels people spot monkeys because they come from the indys. Yaz isn't an idiot. Killjoy isn't an idiot. I'm not an idiot. We know what it means to be a spot monkey. ANYONE who says the Bucks aren't spot monkeys is straight up lying to themselves. I'm fine with those kind of matches on the undercard, it's a good way to get the crowd fired up. It doesn't mean it's good wrestling.

You admitted to only seeing one Steen match before signing with WWE, so how many Young Bucks matches have you seen? Why should I take your opinion seriously if you've only seen a couple of their matches? Imagine if I was a "Cezna sux" guy and said that I've only seen 3 of his matches... it'd take all of my credibility away, wouldn't you say?

And spot monkey is the most ridiculous term by the IWC. EVERYONE is a spot monkey. Everything a wrestler does is a SPOT. A headlock is a SPOT. Even if they sit in one for 20 minutes, as soon as they're finished with it, it's on to the next SPOT.

The Young Bucks may have a quicker pace than most, but you know what? That's what the people expect to see when they pay to watch them perform. They cater to the people who actually attend the shows and buy the DVDs. They've also been on smaller shows where they did more old school style matches to appease to those crowds. You work with the audience who pays to see you. If they went to WWE, they'd adjust to their boring style of working where a tag team match doesn't get good until the hot tag for the comeback.

The fact is, any match a person says they dislike of the Young Bucks, they can't show me the reaction from the crowd is the same as theirs. Bucks usually walk away with one of the best reactions of the night, and one of the best matches of the night. They're also the tag team champs of the 2nd biggest pro wrestling organization in the World in NJPW.

So yeah man, I do think most of the criticism is nonsense, just like most of the criticism Punk and Bryan got before going to WWE was nonsense. You can say those guys improved, but they really didn't. They adjusted their styles to more of what WWE wanted, but there are still ROH and other indy matches and promos they had that are as good as their best work in WWE.

And if the Young Bucks went to WWE and had the best tag match the company has had in years against Cesaro and Tyson Kidd, that wouldn't be because they "improved" since going to the company... no, they're capable of doing that this Sunday if that match was booked on Extreme Rules and the Bucks didn't spend a single second in NXT. I know it, and deep down most people here know it... they would absolutely tear the house down.

 

[ABMorales787]

Any reason they can't have those great tag matches outside WWE?

 

[jmt225]

Any reason they can't have those great tag matches outside WWE?

They have, plenty of times.

Again, just watch the crowd reactions their matches get. They cater to the people who pay to see the show. Now maybe it's not your cup of tea and that's fine, but you can't say their stuff isn't good when the crowd always goes nuts for them. Like, the point of pro wrestling is to get great reactions from the crowd, and you can't find me many acts on the indy scene who is better at that than the Young Bucks.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Weird. I thought Live Mas had some of that character development stuff. And actually listened when people said they were a bit too in your face with their gimmick. And Cerberus has it too.

Cerberus would whoop the Bucks' asses.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Cerberus would whoop the Bucks' asses.

FWIW, Live Mas would have made Young Bucks choke their own chickens.

What were we talking about again?

 

[The Holy One]

As somebody who has seen plenty of Young Bucks matches from ROH, PWG, and NJPW in the past two years. I can honestly say that they're no better than any other tag team right now. About all of their stuff is hit and miss as I enjoyed their Guerrilla Warfare match with Candice & Joey at PWG Eleven, but I've also watched them have the same exact match with ReDRagon 4 times in the last year that made me realized that the Bucks really don't offer much outside of their flips and kicks. Their match will always include a spot where they start going crazy with superkicks in which one of them will most likely kick the other, dropkick in the ring then Tornado DDT outside, 450 splash, crazy outside dive, Meltzer Driver, and More Bang For Your Buck.

While I don't have a problem with it as it doesn't take much for me to enjoy a match outside of a squash, I could see why others would be put off by it. They're a tag team that develop a decent sized following and always gives them what the want. They don't really do much outside of that, but for where they're at now it's worked for them and I wished them nothing but the best.

 

[jmt225]

Young Bucks interview with Rolling Stone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/...ng-it-indie-and-vince-mcmahons-money-20150519

The "King of the Indies" title has been bestowed on many wrestlers over the years. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and Kevin Owens have all laid claim to the distinction before making the leap to WWE. Right now, the honor probably belongs to two men – brothers Matt and Nick Jackson – better known to smart fans everywhere as the Young Bucks.

Working as a tag team, the Bucks have been wrestling together for over a decade, and they've been just about everywhere – except for the WWE. They spent several years in TNA (where you might remember them as Generation Me), Ring of Honor and have wrestled all over the country for various independent promotions. In 2013, they joined New Japan Pro Wrestling, where they became a major part of the Bullet Club, the hottest faction in the biz. With their brash antics – and familiar hand gestures – the Bullet Club has drawn comparisons to the nWo, and it has infiltrated every aspect of wrestling short of the WWE (though even Vince McMahon has taken notice, as evidenced by a recent trademark filing and a Finn Bálor T-Shirt).

If you go to any wrestling show in the world, chances are you'll see someone wearing a Bullet Club shirt, and the group plays up the comparisons with older stables whenever possible, using the "Too Sweet" hand sign that Scott Hall and Kevin Nash made famous, and shouting "Suck it!" to their critics. In short, Matt and Nick Jackson have built a mini-empire...but what's next? Recently, I had a chance to ask the Young Bucks that question (and plenty others) at the legendary "ECW Arena" in Philadelphia before the first night of War of the Worlds, a series of four shows that featured the top wrestlers from Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro Wrestling.

We're here in the ECW Arena. Does it still feel weird that you're representing New Japan in a show like this?

Matt: It's funny, I'm like, "Nick, what are we? Are we ROH? Are we New Japan?" But I guess we are New Japan because we hold the IWGP Junior titles, so we're representing them. It is interesting that there's all these Japanese guys, and then there's two gaijin, as they call us out there, we're representing the company. It's cool to think about.

Nick: This and Madison Square Garden are probably the two biggest wrestling buildings here in the U.S. It's where we've had some of the coolest moments in our history. I remember at one point, about seven years ago, we were going from L.A. to Philly every weekend. In Los Angeles, fans hated us. This place has never hated us, which is weird.

Getting over with Philly crowds is an accomplishment. What's it like to get that kind of reception from that kind of wrestling fan?

Matt: It's very flattering, cause you couldn't really get that from any other job. If I'm bagging groceries I'm never going to get a reaction like, "Dude, that's so awesome, I'm going to chant your name now." It's really a unique thing.

Nick: And again, I think that's something that really caught on here. Even when we weren't on the cards here, people would be chanting our names. People would tweet us saying, "Hey, fans are chanting Young Bucks." We were like, "What, why? We were 4000 miles away." It's pretty cool, and pretty flattering. It gives you that extra motivation. I don't like performing if the crowd's dead.

Do you remember when those reactions started? I remember seeing you guys back in 2012, shortly after your TNA run, and while you got a nice pop, it's nothing like it is now.

Nick: It was probably a year after we quit TNA. At that point, Matt and I, we pretty much just said, "Screw it, let's do as much as we can – let's do what we think is cool." We pretty much brought what we watched during our childhood into our act now, and somehow it worked. I think from that point on, that's when it caught on.

Matt: We were at a point, I want to call it "wrestling rock-bottom." I was ready to quit. We had been in one of the biggest companies and they didn't know what to do with us. It was really disheartening. Finally we decided that if we were going to do this, we were going to do it right. Your character is supposed to be like yourself, only with the volume turned up. So we just decided to be ourselves. Not these two guys named Max and Jeremy, that's what they called us then. That wasn't us. That was just two dudes out there. So we decided to just be ourselves. You know, there are so many rules in wrestling. We just said, "Let's break them all, let's break through the mold, let's do something different. Everybody does the same thing, because they're scared of getting heat. Let's just have fun. If we get heat, we're going to get heat. Let's go out in a burning blaze."

For the past year, you guys have always been mentioned at or near the top of the "King of the Indies" discussion. How much pride do you get from that, or do you consider it a backhanded compliment?

Matt: It's huge. That's what we do, we're independent wrestlers. If anyone is ever going to rank us at the top of, well, anything, it makes us feel proud. We're the kings of being independent. We represent that. We don't need a contract, we're on our own thing. You can make money without Vince [McMahon]. You can make money without going there and selling your soul. You can be yourself. You can make a good living.

Nick: I think that's the most rewarding thing about it: we don't have to be on Monday Night Raw for people to know us. We don't need a machine to push us, like the majority of guys. We take pride in the indies, because obviously this is where we work, so for anyone to say that we are the kings of it, that's cool. That means we're the kings of what we're doing right now.

Despite that, is there a part of you that wishes you didn't have to be working for three or four different promotions in a week?

Matt: We've been talking about that, because we're getting burned out. There's only so much you can do with this style. We live on the West Coast, so when we're doing shows, it's usually West-to-East and then back. Or we're going to Japan or wherever.

Nick: I'll be honest, I am burned out. We're being patient. We're waiting for whatever will bless us and our families the most.

Matt: We're waiting for the right offer. When we do settle down, it's going to be for the right dollar amount. We're thinking of our families, so it'll be what's best for our families, 'cause we'll be able to maximize our time at home while still being wrestlers.

I know the dirt sheets have been saying that there's a bidding war for you guys. How much truth is there to that?

Matt: It's 100-percent true. Everyone has been hitting us up. We're in a very good position. We're blessed. In the old days, you could say, "Well Vince, WCW has been offering us this, what do you offer us?" We don't need another company. We can say, "We do better than that on the indies, and can you beat us?" It's not like we have Ted Turner's money, but we know what we can do on our own, and if you can't beat that, then sorry, we can't play ball. It makes negotiations really nice for us. We're in the driver's seat.

How were you able to get yourselves into that position?

Matt: Every show we're at, we're campaigning for ourselves. We might as well be shaking hands, kissing babies and giving people Young Bucks stickers and buttons. We're like that small punk-rock band that's going town-to-town. I think people like that. We really built this brand by going town-to-town, showing people that we're the Young Bucks and this is what we do. That's part of how we've gotten to where we are.

Nick: We try to be as genuine as possible. Every person that buys a T-shirt or something, it goes directly to our families. That's a big deal for us, because 20 dollars is a lot of money nowadays. If someone comes to buy our T-shirt and pay their respects to us, then we're going to try to pay our respects to them by thanking them for coming out and supporting us.

Matt: We watched the best guys in the world do it. We watched Colt Cabana do it, we watched El Generico do it. We watched Kevin Steen [now Kevin Owens]. Those guys are like the forefathers of the merch table. I want to say that Colt really started it all. Nick and I would sit there at our tables and not sell a thing. We'd watch Colt just raking in the dough, and we were trying to figure out what he does. To us, this is the business part of it. We're going to work on the wrestling-side of course, but this is just as important. We just watched what Colt did. We watched El Generico wave people in and smile and interact. It's important to engage the customer. You are the guy trying to sell your stuff, these are your customers, treat them like that. Some wrestlers, they're on their phones, and they act like they're too good, or above this…they aren't branded. They're just guys that wrestle. You need an identity. Our identity is that we're the guys who do the Superkick Party. It took us ten years to figure that out.

At the end of 2013, you joined New Japan Pro Wrestling. Was that always a goal of yours?

Nick: It felt natural. Matt and I had talked about it months before they even contacted us. We both knew that was the next step. It was weird. We knew New Japan would be calling soon. And I'd say a month later, Okada was messaging us on Facebook asking if we wanted to come to Japan. And I said, "Of course we do!" He said "All right, Tiger Hattori, the boss, is going to call you guys." He actually Voxed Matt saying, "Hey man, want to come to Japan?"

Matt: I thought it was just a random guy, cause everyone has their Tiger Hattori impression, I said, "This isn't Tiger Hattori booking me on Voxer." Sure enough, it was. It was weird, because I had seen the Bullet Club video, the first one they ever put up. They were at a bar, having fun, beating up the cameraman. I thought they were great. I felt like I wanted to be a part of that. And then when they told us that we were coming to New Japan, and also that we would be Bullet Club, it was just like, "Of course we are!"

The addition of the Young Bucks started a fairly significant transition for the Bullet Club. Was there ever a point where you were concerned that it would fall apart?

Matt: The first day that they gave us the skull shirt, I remember I said to Nick that it was a cool shirt, but thinking nothing of it. We cut it up, and wore it to the ring. I put it online and immediately my phone blows up with people saying they needed one of those shirts. The more we put up group shots, the more people said they gotta have that shirt. As soon as the shirt got released, it sold out like that. Every time there was a show with New Japan, it sold out. They couldn't order enough. At one point we were on tour, there were two weeks left, I asked for a medium, and they literally had no shirts left. That's when we knew that this was going to be a big deal.

Nick: We knew it was hot in Japan, and then we got home and we saw the craze at every indie show we went to. Everyone was wearing the shirt. We went to England about a month ago, and everyone was wearing it there too.
Young Bucks Tag Team
Devin Chen

What do you think is the secret to the Bullet Club's popularity?

Matt: It's the same attitude that we have. The not-caring, doing-whatever-you-want attitude. They don't give us a limit. Maybe a couple times they've told us to bring it down a little bit, but for the most part, they've said to do what we want. We go out there, we party, we have fun and I think everyone is having fun with us.

Nick: It's like the nWo. Who didn't like the nWo? Everyone did. The childhood that I grew up with was the nWo, and I think the majority of hard-core wrestling fans at this point were from my generation. They grew up watching the nWo, and now the Bullet Club is like the nWo, so they like them. And all the guys – Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, all the guys – gave us their blessing to do exactly what they did: throw up the "Too Sweet" sign.

Well, not everybody is happy with the "Too Sweet" thing. What was your reaction when WWE suddenly filed a trademark on the hand sign, and then put out the new Kliq shirts out with the "Too Sweet" gesture on it?

Matt: No, not everybody's happy, that's true. Hey, if you see something hot, and you're not involved with it, it's totally natural to try to get some of that. I get it. We all chuckled when we saw the shirts, we all talked about it on the Bullet Club group chats we have on our phones. "Oh, how flattering," while we took screenshots. We don't care, it's all fun and if they're going to try to pocket some money on it, good for them.

Since I know you follow Twitter and Reddit pretty closely, have you started to see any sort of backlash against the popularity of the Bullet Club?

Matt: Absolutely. We're mindful of that. For a while there, me and Nick were full-blown Young Buck/Bullet Club guys. No, we're focusing more on ourselves. Naturally, something is cool at first because it's underground and nobody knows about it. And now it's like we got signed to a giant label, and people are like, "Oh, they used to be cool." That's going to happen.

Nick: The Bullet Club brand is over with fans, so now we can focus on our brand again. Let's get it even more set. But we have no control over who joins.

Matt: You mentioned that people are starting to grumble a little. It's like when you hear a great song, and then you keep hearing it and hearing it and hearing it. The thing is, what people don't realize is that the more you keep hearing it, the more money the artist is making. So you gotta think about it from our position. The bigger it gets, it's good for us. The hard-core fans who liked it from the beginning may shy away from it, but sorry guys. It's becoming bigger every day.

You guys were just announced for Global Force Wrestling, along with Karl Anderson and Doc Gallows. Does that mean there's going to be another Bullet Club invasion?

Matt: I don't know, I hope so. Anytime we're wrestling with our friends, we're having a party out there. It's more fun, it makes my job easier.

Nick: We're not sure though, we haven't heard much about it. We're only doing a few shows, because we were given 30 dates, but we were already booked for like 28 of them. So we're only doing about 2 or 3 for them for now. So we don't know exactly what we're going to be doing with them, but we know that with [Jeff] Jarrett's name on it, it's going to be something big. He created TNA, so you have to give him credit.

Recently, Jim Ross said he had heard GFW was thinking of doing a 12-13 episode season for television, rather than go year-round. Lucha Underground is also doing that format. Could you see the wrestling industry starting to go in that direction?

Nick: I think it would be better for the wrestlers. Then there would be some breaks. There would be a point where your body could rest. We're athletes, so why is it that basketball players and football players have an offseason and we don't? One day, I hope we all get an offseason. I hope it starts with WWE, because it won't get popular with anyone unless WWE does it. So if they do it, I think everyone will do it. It would be so much better for everyone's bodies.

Speaking of WWE, we've been dancing around it a bit. You say at some point you'll settle down, and sign with a single company. Would WWE be that company?

Matt: I mean, who's to say? Right now, no. For one thing, I have a young family. I just couldn't uproot my family for less money than I make right now. If we had an offer to go straight to TV or something, well that's just a whole different thing. Of course, we'd love to entertain that idea. That's the place to be. It would be fun to do it. Right now though? I don't know. Of course, in five years, every person we know is going to be running the place. So they may just say, "Hey Bucks, you interested in coming on TV on Monday?" Who knows? Never say never.

Nick: I just couldn't move my family to Florida at this point. If something changes, then maybe you'll see us there. I own a home in California. Right now, mentally, I need to stay where I'm at. My wife told me three years ago that we're never moving to Florida. I was like, "OK, well that rules out WWE then." But in five years? Who knows, maybe we'll need it.

Speaking of WWE, do you think that NXT has changed the indie scene at all, especially with them seemingly poaching so many of the top talents?

Nick: I don't think it's changed much of the indie scene. That's a hard question to answer. NXT is essentially WWE's independent company. I think they're smart, because the indies are red-hot right now. We've been wrestling 11 or 12 years now, and now every show we go to there's almost 1,000 people there. That wasn't happening five years ago. WWE obviously sees where the money is.

Matt: I think it's more that indie wrestling is changing NXT. They're seeing what works out here, and what's hot out here and they're wanting some of that. They're really gearing their product towards these types of fans. I think they saw that people were making money on the indies, and who doesn't want more money? Of course Vince does. He's going to want to get a piece of that.

You just mentioned it, but what's it been like for you watching so many of the guys you've come up with flourish in WWE?

Matt: It's great. These are the guys who still have the passion, they still truly love wrestling. We knew they were going to go far. How could they not? When you're that talented and you love wrestling that much, you have the confidence that those guys did. Of course they were going to make it.

Nick: It's nuts. It's all our friends. It's so weird, so strange. And Kevin will be next, Kevin Steen [Owens].

You recently put out a shirt that lists your accomplishments in wrestling. So what's left for the Young Bucks to do?

Matt: Keep making money and support our families doing it. Not get hurt, keep having fun. As soon as you stop having fun, then why are you doing it? The other thing that's important is to have the respect of your peers. You want everybody to always go, "Oh you have the Bucks tonight? You're going to have a good one." The guaranteed good match. It's always important for us to not only have the respect of the fans, but the guys as well. At the end of the day, that's what's important to us.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I had myself a highly spirited conversation with RVDGurl about said Youthful Bucks after the NXT show last week.

 

[jmt225]

I had myself a highly spirited conversation with RVDGurl about said Youthful Bucks after the NXT show last week.

Oh yeah? Is she a fan?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Big time. I, am not. Not so much as I dislike them, I just think the majority of their matches a brain-meltingly awful. Because they are.

I can however see why the cultlike following would be into that sort of thing.


We had a short conversation about Moose, as well. I then explained that Moose gets the same level of interest by moving his arm in the fashion of honking a diesel truck horn that The Bucks do for performing their triple-spike-red-fire-lighting bomb off the second balcony.

it got icy quiet after that.

 

[justinsayne]

Fucking Moose, if there was ever a guy in ROH I wish would leave for WWE it's that guy. Young Bucks are fun as hell to watch, Moose is meh.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Fucking Moose, if there was ever a guy in ROH I wish would leave for WWE it's that guy. Young Bucks are fun as hell to watch, Moose is meh.

Me too, so he could become the next Mega-star in wrestling. Unfortunately for both of us, he just re-signed with ROH today.



For the record, I think the Bucks could be excellent if adapted to the WWE style. It sadly appears that I have a lot more faith in them than they themselves do