I watched more than I needed to during his time in TNA. He was fucking terrible, and you're just being ridiculous if you say otherwise.
The vanilla midget theory
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You mean all of the 6 months he was even allowed to speak, and the whopping 3-4 minute promos he was allowed to cut while being Kevin Nash's bitch? Yes, that's a fair sample size of his talents, obviously.
Totally different character first off, secondly, watch his work in ROH over the last few years (I know you won't, but if you did, you'd see what I'm talking about) and you'll see the guy oozes personality. And you're being ridiculous if you say otherwise.
I think SD was talking about Matt Cross, not Austin Aries. He said earlier in his post Aries had personality
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I know it's really not much of a great wrestling promo like Miz or Cena would break out, but he is confident, suave, and knows how to engage the audience. More than can be said for a "terrible" mic worker. That was just my first YouTube search result for his promos.
A charismatic wrestler could have made something of himself. TNA gave him the opportunity. But charisma is about FAR more than just talking on the mic, and I would have thought you, as much as anyone, would have understood that. Charisma doesn't stop the moment you step in-between the ropes, and the fact is I watched Austin Aries/Starr work in TNA, and he didn't have the charisma a guy like him needs to ever become important in the world of wrestling.You mean all of the 6 months he was even allowed to speak, and the whopping 3-4 minute promos he was allowed to cut while being Kevin Nash's bitch? Yes, that's a fair sample size of his talents, obviously.
He does. So does Zack Ryder, but I suppose since he's also a nobody you would realize it either. I guess you were right about Bryan Danielson too: he didn't have what it took; he wasn't a U.S. champion or anything.
Is there anyone, anywhere on the indy circuit who doesn't have more personality than 90% of the WWE of TNA's current roster?
Good point. You're talking about one guy who is a jobber, and another guy who couldn't even make the Wrestlemania main card in a title match.
Well put.
Um, yes? Large portions of the ROH, DGUSA, EVOLVE, PWG, CZW and CHIKARA rosters?
It's funny how you're acting like you actually know my opinions on the rosters of indy companies, when you don't, at all. Clearly.
Good point. You're talking about one guy who is a jobber, and another guy who couldn't even make the Wrestlemania main card in a title match.
Well put.
You can make your argument on Ryder, I'm just pointing out he is another guy many including me believe has a great personality, just like Aries, who you would bash because they don't get to talk often.
Danielson is a former U.S. Champion and holds multiple victories over the current WWE champion. Pretty sure he is doing okay.
Xfear, in all seriousness, you and I (and most everyone else who pays attention) knows you have your biases with regards to wrestlers. No biggie, we all do, but your biases seem to have nothing to connect to them, other than they are usually in favor of that which is not popular with the mainstream. Sure, you may like Undertaker or someone like that, but more often than not, your preferred type of wrestling seems to have only one thing in common, and that's the quality of not being popular mainstream.
My biases are obviously geared towards those wrestlers who have proven they can be entertaining to the masses of people. But other than what I said, there seems to be no real link to what your biases are.
Again, charisma is not limited to what people get to say on the microphone.
His entire WWE gimmick has been built around him NOT having personality. I don't think you have an argument here.
Yes, but ironically enough, his character of no personality is acted with great personality. The fans love him, and it's not just because of his wrestling ability. It can't be, as much as they hold him back in the ring.
I disagree, because since the angle with him choking Roberts, and his comeback on John Cena's team at Summerslam, Danielson has done nothing but get pushed further and further to the back of the line.
Well no, obviously. What with the stress of moving and changes to employment I have regrettably neglected my clairvoyance studies in recent months. As such I have to go on observational evidence like everybody else.
Observational evidence tells me that generally, when the topic of conversation turns towards something that has proven to be wholly unsuccessful with the wrestling audience (be it a worker, promotion or style) you are likely to appear proclaiming loudly how it is the best thing since sliced bread and how its complete failure to achieve any level of success is down to the wholesale ignorance of pretty much everyone (professional or fan) who isn't you.
It rather reminds me of one of those 1960's "non-conformists". Burning with a desire to not do what "the man" says, with little regard for common sense, logic or the big picture.
Because he didn't defeat the soon to be WWE Champion, win the U.S. title, and put on numerous MOTY canidates after that, did he? And he didn't do it all while winning fans over one by one.
And yet...he never occupies any of the prime slots on the TV show, and he was in a title match which was bumped for a 2 minute 8 man tag and 3 minute 6 person tag involving Snooki at Wrestlemania. We had 20 minutes for Rock to introduce us to the show, but didn't have three minutes for Daniel Bryan and a good friend of Triple H's.Because he didn't defeat the soon to be WWE Champion, win the U.S. title, and put on numerous MOTY canidates after that, did he? And he didn't do it all while winning fans over one by one.
Seriously, just think about that for a second.
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Hexagonal Hedonist
This X. Although how much Aries has is debatable, I think it is fairly obvious that he at least has some.
Yeah, but you've said yourself before that show's booking was terrible. Not to say I didn't like it, because I did, but that show was horribly booked.
It was horribly booked, but I think it gives you a good indication of how the WWE sees him.
I disagree completely. I think how some fans see a wrestler isn't how most fans see a wrestler.
I can agree with this to a certain extent. But I think most WWE fans view Danielson as good, because he does get pops and he is popular with the fans.
The Bearded One
Love is not admissable evidence.
They put Matt Cross on, who has been wrestling for what, nine years?
The Bearded One
Love is not admissable evidence.
And the Miz and Morrison are nothing either because they were bumped off WM for Kid Rock. They never became anything did they?
Are you trying to argue John Morrison has charisma? Because he's incredibly bland. Not really a point in your favor. And Miz always had the charisma, he was just completely green in the ring. Danielson has been a pro for what, a decade? And he's still bland.
Not really sure what point you were trying to make, but I don't think you succeeded.
