The Sports Bar

[Goliath Uterus]

That's a silly thing to get worried about, they have two of the most clutch players in the NBA. I honestly don't know why they clutch shots aren't falling as of late, but they will, it's LeBron and Wade...

 

[CH David]

Those who thought it would happen this year are stupid. I bet they'll at least get close to it in the future though.

How close? I don't see them doing better than 66-16 at any point that they are together.

With the limited amount of games they've had together, there was no way they could just get together and play perfectly.

However, I would be worried that nobody can make a clutch play late for them.

The unrealistic expectations of any fan is hilarious.

It's hilarious that they are have the worst field goal percentage to tie or win a game within 10 seconds. 1-16. The one they made was in a loss. Lulz.

That's a silly thing to get worried about, they have two of the most clutch players in the NBA. I honestly don't know why they clutch shots aren't falling as of late, but they will, it's LeBron and Wade...

They can't hack it in the final minutes this season. Teams are forcing them to take horrible shots at the end of games, and they keep missing. 1-16 (including today) in the final 10 seconds doesn't lie. Plus a 5-13 record in games decided by 5 points or less isn't exactly going to fly in the playoffs.

 

[Big Sexy]

Those who thought it would happen this year are stupid. I bet they'll at least get close to it in the future though.

Not unless they find a way to afford a better bench. They also need to start Mike Bibby as soon as possible this year. Mario Chalmers just isn't nearly consistent enough.

 

[Megatron]

I do think they will be able to figure it out soon. But I don't think they're the best team in the East, that's the C's still. They don't have enough protection around the Big 3.

 

[CH David]

Of the top three in the East, Boston, Chicago, and Miami, I'd call Miami the weakest overall. Bulls may need more scoring, but they have shown they can score just enough to win with their defense doing a great job.

 

[Big Sexy]

I do think they will be able to figure it out soon. But I don't think they're the best team in the East, that's the C's still. They don't have enough protection around the Big 3.

I'll take the Celtics and the Bulls over the Heat. Even the Magic and Knicks won't be easy outs. The Heat better hope they avoid the Knicks in round one. New York has a ton of talent and absolutely nothing to lose this year. The Heat arguably have more pressure on them then any other team.

 

[CH David]

I'll take the Celtics and the Bulls over the Heat. Even the Magic and Knicks won't be easy outs. The Heat better hope they avoid the Knicks in round one. New York has a ton of talent and absolutely nothing to lose this year. The Heat arguably have more pressure on them then any other team.

As much as I hate the Knicks, they are definitely doing some damage, even if they won't be a "top" seed. I wouldn't want the Bulls playing them in the first round either, they've shot the ball way too well against us.

Heat are the Yankees of basketball right now as far as pressure goes. No doubt about it.

 

[Stormtrooper]

As much as I hate the Knicks, they are definitely doing some damage, even if they won't be a "top" seed. I wouldn't want the Bulls playing them in the first round either, they've shot the ball way too well against us.

The Knickerbockers are gonna end up getting a 5 seed. I'd actually rather be the 6, because I think the Heat will end up being the 3, and the Knicks match up damn good with the Heat.

And I'll say it right now, for THIS SEASON ONLY, I'd rather have the Knicks 3 then the Heats 3. Especially Billups. The Heat don't have anyone to play the point, and the Knicks have an ELITE Point Guard, which will help them immensely.

Heat are the Yankees of basketball right now as far as pressure goes. No doubt about it.

Definitely, except the Yankees have actually had great success, unlike the Heat have (so far). The Yankees would consistently be the best Regular Season team in the AL, while the Heat are right now the 3rd best team in the conference.

 

[Megatron]

The Knicks are 4 games back for the 5 seed with only 21 games left for them to go. They're too inconsistent and that's probably too big of a hill to overtake the Hawks for #5. Hell, the Sixers are only 1 loss behind the Knicks for 7th. They have a higher chance of going down then up, even with their big 3.

 

[jmt225]

I hate to break it to you Trooper, but Chauncey Billups has been one of the most inconsistent players in the league these past few years. Some nights he looks unstoppable, and other nights he looks God awful. Right now he's on a bit of a hot streak; you just better hope he doesn't cool down by the time the playoffs roll around.

Also, his defense is atrocious. I mean, ATROCIOUS.

 

[CH David]

Definitely, except the Yankees have actually had great success, unlike the Heat have (so far). The Yankees would consistently be the best Regular Season team in the AL, while the Heat are right now the 3rd best team in the conference.

Trooper...why the fuck did you have to irritate me with this? We all know about the Yankees success. Nobody but Yankee fans and baseball historians care. We don't need you to remind us. Now please, anytime I mention Heat, pressure, and Yankees like I did, just agree and shut up!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I don't trust Chicago because I've never been keen on a point guard being your primary scorer. If you shut Rose down, the Bulls will lose 9 out of 10 times.

Miami has trouble with quick point guards and big men. Udonis Haslem makes a big difference for that team because he gives them rebounding and hustle. Their bench is atrocious as well. They need a group guys who can come off the bench and score because James, Wade, and Bosh have been carrying the whole load.

Also, Lebron James is far from being a clutch guy. He's proven time and time again. I remember everyone busting a nut when he hit that game winner against Orlando in the 2009 playoffs.

 

[Stormtrooper]

The Knicks are 4 games back for the 5 seed with only 21 games left for them to go. They're too inconsistent and that's probably too big of a hill to overtake the Hawks for #5. Hell, the Sixers are only 1 loss behind the Knicks for 7th. They have a higher chance of going down then up, even with their big 3.

You're right. They CAN fall back, and they might not be able to jump up. However, they could very well move up. We're talking about the Atlanta Hawks here, not the Boston Celtics. The Hawks aren't this model of amazing consistency, and they very well could drop back a bit, and couple that with the Knicks improving, and they COULD overtake them.

And does that 4 games include the whoopin the Knicks put on the very Hawks we're talking about here? Not sure. Either way, I'd put more faith in the Knicks moving UP, then down. They're a much better team then Philly, and I can't see them losing ground.

Of course the way the top half of the conference is going, they'd rather be at 6 and play the Heat, then jump to 5 and play Orlando.

I hate to break it to you Trooper, but Chauncey Billups has been one of the most inconsistent players in the league these past few years. Some nights he looks unstoppable, and other nights he looks God awful. Right now he's on a bit of a hot streak; you just better hope he doesn't cool down by the time the playoffs roll around.

and I hate to break it to you, jmt, but Chauncey Billups is still an ELITE Point Guard. Even if he's been inconsistent. He's also still a much better option at Point Guard then what a shitload of other teams have, including the Miami Heat. No, he isn't the best PG in the league, but he's still top 10, or even better, especially now that he's playing with 2 elite talents like Melo and Amar'e.

Also, his defense is atrocious. I mean, ATROCIOUS.

What's defense? Who cares if his D is "ATROCIOUS?" I'll tell you one guy that doesn't give a damn, and that's Mike D'Antoni, he of the run-and-gun Phoenix Suns fame, now the Head Coach of the NEW YORK KNICKS, the very team that Chauncey Billups plays for. And his "ATROCIOUS" D didn't stop the Knicks from holding the Miami Heat and their great offensive talent to only 86 fucking points. Look, maybe he isn't a good defender, but the Knicks get by fairly well without great (or even good) defense.

Trooper...why the fuck did you have to irritate me with this? We all know about the Yankees success. Nobody but Yankee fans and baseball historians care. We don't need you to remind us. Now please, anytime I mention Heat, pressure, and Yankees like I did, just agree and shut up!

You know what, man, fuck you. Seriously, what the fuck, man? You make a comparison, I show that there is a big difference between the 2 teams you are comparing, and you shit on me? I like you man, but what the fuck. And yeah, the Yankees having vastly better Regular Season success is a valid point to fucking make, asshole. I don't give a shit if you don't like it, when I'm correct, I'll fucking say something, and if you don't like it, then you can just shut the fuck up.

 

[Megatron]

You're right. They CAN fall back, and they might not be able to jump up. However, they could very well move up. We're talking about the Atlanta Hawks here, not the Boston Celtics. The Hawks aren't this model of amazing consistency, and they very well could drop back a bit, and couple that with the Knicks improving, and they COULD overtake them.

And does that 4 games include the whoopin the Knicks put on the very Hawks we're talking about here? Not sure. Either way, I'd put more faith in the Knicks moving UP, then down. They're a much better team then Philly, and I can't see them losing ground.

Of course the way the top half of the conference is going, they'd rather be at 6 and play the Heat, then jump to 5 and play Orlando.

The Hawks are still 11 games above .500, and the Knicks are one of the most incosistent teams in the league. When they're on, like they were against Miami and Atlanta tonight, they're a damn good team, but when they're off, they'll lose to the Cavaliers (twice since this trade, in fact). Hell, in their 7 games since the trade, they've alternated wins and losses. Coincidence? I think not.

And yes, they're 4 games down even after their win today. And a correction on my part, Philly is only 1/2 game behind the Knicks (1 more loss).

And Philly has been playing a lot better since the turn to 2011. 13-21 before, 19-9 since. Andre Igodala has been hot lately and they could definitely jump the Knicks, since NY will have those nights where their terrible defense will give them away games (see both Cleveland games).

4 games just seems too unlikely to overcome with a short window left, especially with the Knicks inconsistency.

and I hate to break it to you, jmt, but Chauncey Billups is still an ELITE Point Guard. Even if he's been inconsistent. He's also still a much better option at Point Guard then what a shitload of other teams have, including the Miami Heat. No, he isn't the best PG in the league, but he's still top 10, or even better, especially now that he's playing with 2 elite talents like Melo and Amar'e.


What's defense? Who cares if his D is "ATROCIOUS?" I'll tell you one guy that doesn't give a damn, and that's Mike D'Antoni, he of the run-and-gun Phoenix Suns fame, now the Head Coach of the NEW YORK KNICKS, the very team that Chauncey Billups plays for. And his "ATROCIOUS" D didn't stop the Knicks from holding the Miami Heat and their great offensive talent to only 86 fucking points. Look, maybe he isn't a good defender, but the Knicks get by fairly well without great (or even good) defense.

I'm curious of your definition of 'elite'. While I love Chauncey, Rose, Paul, Williams, Rondo, Westbrook, and Nash off the top of my head are all better then Chauncey, and that may be as far as I would go for elite. Very good, yes, but those guys are still at their best while Chauncey is definitely on his downswing (so is Nash, but he's still playing at a higher level). There's still probably 3 or 4 guys (not including the ones I listed) I'd take before Chauncey.

And to be literal, the Yankees have only been the top team in the AL Regular season once out of the last 4 years.

 

[jmt225]

and I hate to break it to you, jmt, but Chauncey Billups is still an ELITE Point Guard. Even if he's been inconsistent. He's also still a much better option at Point Guard then what a shitload of other teams have, including the Miami Heat. No, he isn't the best PG in the league, but he's still top 10, or even better, especially now that he's playing with 2 elite talents like Melo and Amar'e.

Elite? That would make him a top 5 point guard in the league, and he's certainly not top five category. He's probably not even top 10.

And he's also a guy who has choked in big series. In 2007 against Cleveland in the ECF, BOOBIE GIBSON out-played Chauncey that entire fucking series. Chauncey kept leaving the motherfucker open for threes, while sucking dick on the offensive side of the floor. I'm still bitter about that shit because that was CWebb's last chance to get a ring, and Billups fucked it up.

Moreover, Chauncey didn't show up in the 2009 WCF, either.

What's defense? Who cares if his D is "ATROCIOUS?" I'll tell you one guy that doesn't give a damn, and that's Mike D'Antoni, he of the run-and-gun Phoenix Suns fame, now the Head Coach of the NEW YORK KNICKS, the very team that Chauncey Billups plays for. And his "ATROCIOUS" D didn't stop the Knicks from holding the Miami Heat and their great offensive talent to only 86 fucking points. Look, maybe he isn't a good defender, but the Knicks get by fairly well without great (or even good) defense.

That's because Miami doesn't have a good point guard.

When New York runs into Boston or Orlando or Chicago in the playoffs, and Rondo or Nelson or Rose continuously fucks over him, we'll see how big of a fan you are of his then. Because when Chauncey actually has to try to play defense, he starts sucking shit on the offensive end as well. You'll see.

I hate to rain on your parade man, but Chauncey Billups has broken my heart before, and I'm just warning you to be prepared in case he does the same to you, since you're obviously a huge fan and believer of the guy.

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Nobody is scared of the Knicks in the playoffs.


edit: and lol at the "elite" comment

 

[Big Sexy]

Also, his defense is atrocious. I mean, ATROCIOUS.

The Denver Nuggets as a team and George Karl's system was atrocious when it came to defense. When no one else around you is playing defense it's hard to be a good defender. Chauncey Billups was great defender in Detroit and I think you're going overboard with how his defense was in Denver. Obviously at 34 he isn't as quick as he used to be but he's still a solid defender. Definitely an upgrade from Raymond Felton in that regard.

I hate to rain on your parade man, but Chauncey Billups has broken my heart before, and I'm just warning you to be prepared in case he does the same to you, since you're obviously a huge fan and believer of the guy.

How exactly did he break your heart? By taking a Denver team that was always knocked out in the first round and leading them to the conference finals? Chauncey as a starting point guard has always made his team better.

 

[jmt225]

How exactly did he break your heart? By taking a Denver team that was always knocked out in the first round and leading them to the conference finals? Chauncey as a starting point guard has always made his team better.

No, by letting Boobie Gibson of all people shit all over him while also play like shit on the offensive side of the floor during the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals. Like I said earlier, that was CWebb's last chance to get a ring, and Chauncey's poor play in the Cleveland series is a huge reason why Detroit didn't make it to the championship that year.

Also, Melo led that Denver team. Chauncey contributed for sure, but he became a non-factor against the Lakers anyway.

 

[CH David]

You know what, man, fuck you. Seriously, what the fuck, man? You make a comparison, I show that there is a big difference between the 2 teams you are comparing, and you shit on me? I like you man, but what the fuck. And yeah, the Yankees having vastly better Regular Season success is a valid point to fucking make, asshole. I don't give a shit if you don't like it, when I'm correct, I'll fucking say something, and if you don't like it, then you can just shut the fuck up.

Lulz. Typical butt hurt Trooper. Granted I was in an irritated mood already when I posted, and when I'm calm, such as right now, it wouldn't have gotten to me. So for that I apologize. The pressure is there, but you can't make a valid comparison when the Heat haven't even had a full regular season yet and the Yankees have had over 40 or 50? Even the Yankees weren't always in first place. Go get laid or take the Empire State Building replica out of your ass.

 

[Big Sexy]

No, by letting Boobie Gibson of all people shit all over him while also play like shit on the offensive side of the floor during the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals. Like I said earlier, that was CWebb's last chance to get a ring, and Chauncey's poor play in the Cleveland series is a huge reason why Detroit didn't make it to the championship that year.

Chauncey didn't have a tremendous series scoring wise but that's because he wasn't taking a ton of shots, he actually shot a very high percentage that series. Daniel Gibson played great in only two games that series and you certainly can't pin that all on Chauncey as he wasn't the only one guarding him. LeBron played like a man possessed in that series and the attention had to be focused on him which often left Gibson wide open. As someone who watched every single minute of that series it's ludicrous to pin that series loss on Chauncey. No one had a great series, C Webb included.

 

[jmt225]

Chauncey didn't have a tremendous series scoring wise but that's because he wasn't taking a ton of shots, he actually shot a very high percentage that series. Daniel Gibson played great in only two games that series and you certainly can't pin that all on Chauncey as he wasn't the only one guarding him. LeBron played like a man possessed in that series and the attention had to be focused on him which often left Gibson wide open. As someone who watched every single minute of that series it's ludicrous to pin that series loss on Chauncey. No one had a great series, C Webb included.

Chauncey was the leader and best player on the team. In Game 6 he shot 2-7. TWO FOR FUCKING SEVEN. That's beyond pathetic.

And Cwebb played his role well. I too watched every single minute of the series, and it was Chauncey and Prince why the Pistons lost, bottom line. They played with absolutely no heart, and their shots were off. Chauncey didn't even look like he was trying out there.

 

[Big Sexy]

Chauncey was the leader and best player on the team. In Game 6 he shot 2-7. TWO FOR FUCKING SEVEN. That's beyond pathetic.

And Cwebb played his role well. I too watched every single minute of the series, and it was Chauncey and Prince why the Pistons lost, bottom line. They played with absolutely no heart, and their shots were off. Chauncey didn't even look like he was trying out there.

Never question the heart of champions like Chauncey and Tayshaun. Game 6 he was 3-7 not 2-7 and while that isn't spectacular it was actually the 3rd highest shooting % of any Piston in that game. Rip was the only one who really showed up. Sheed went 5-14 and McDyess went 2-8. Tayshaun mainly struggled because he had the task of guarding LeBron the entire series. The Pistons lost as a team. No one played well throughout the entire series and I also question a lot of the coaching decisions made by Flip Saunders.

 

[Buffalo Dave]

Tiki Barber is coming out of retirement, at the ripe age of 35. The divorce must of really hit his pockets.

 

[Megatron]

I'm pretty sure he's been let go of his other jobs at the Today Show and FNA as well.

 

[772Attitude]

Does anybody think that LeBron is the player holding the Heat back??? It seems that the team goes as he goes and he's not going right now. He needs to play every game like he played against the Pistons in the playoffs in 06-07