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How so? In the 28 games Dragic started last season he averaged 18 ppg and 8.4 ast and had a lower turnover rate than Nash. Is it really so far fetched to think a rising 26 year old point guard can be better than a 38 year old Steve Nash? And as far as Grant Hill being equal to Beasley I'm not so sure about that. I'll take a 23 year old Beasley who's never lived up to his potential and is motivated to be an all star this season over a Grant Hill who will be 40 by the start of the season, had knee surgery near the end of last season, and benefited a lot from Phoenix's medical staff.

It is very farfetched that an 18 game sample from Dragic is making you believe he will be better then Nash next season. Beasley may be younger and have more overall talent at this point then Hill but he is also a head case who is very inconsistent. The levelheadedness and experience of Hill evens out the athleticism and ability he has lost over the years. Hill was still a double digit scorer last year and is a better defender then Beasley as well.
 
So, Jim Leyland's comments on Miguel Cabrera being MVP. I get it, you have to go to bat for your guy. But anyone that actually agrees with Leyland (and I've seen a few) what are you smoking?

Mike Trout is having an epic season. He's better than everyone in this league, and by a wide margin. There is no possible world in which Mike Trout is not MVP, barring an epic, sixish week collapse that appears staggeringly unlikely.
 
Cabrera has 8 more home runs and 31 more rbi's. His team is also currently in the playoffs while Trout and the Angels are a game back in the wild card. I'm not saying Cabrera has the lead in the race but to say Trout is the best player in the league by a wide margin and a runaway for MVP is simply a false statement. Whichever team makes the playoffs will likely decide who wins the MVP award.
 
Nah, Trouts been playing like the best player ever since he was called up. It's not a coincidence how well the Angels have played since he was called up. He's been the faraway MVP and thats with respect to how well Cabby has played.
 
Cabrera has 8 more home runs and 31 more rbi's. His team is also currently in the playoffs while Trout and the Angels are a game back in the wild card. I'm not saying Cabrera has the lead in the race but to say Trout is the best player in the league by a wide margin and a runaway for MVP is simply a false statement. Whichever team makes the playoffs will likely decide who wins the MVP award.

1) Trout is a better all around hitter than Miguel Cabrera, besting him in average, OBP, SLG, wOBA, and wRC+. Miguel Cabrera has 8 more home runs, yes, but he also played an extra month on Trout. RBIs are irrelevant, considering Trout is a lead off hitter.

2) Trout blows Miguel Cabrera out of the water on defense. Cabrera is arguably the worst defensive third baseman in the game, while Trout is in contention for a Gold Glove.

3) 36 SB for Trout versus 4 for Cabrera.

There's no metric by which Trout is not a better player. He hits better, he fields better, and he runs better.
 
Just like rbi's may not be much of a relevant stat for Trout because he is a lead off hitter. Steals aren't much of a relevant stat for Cabrera considering he never runs.

Cabrera has also done a fine job at third and certainly isn't the worst third basemen in baseball. He's actually tied for the second best fielding % in the AL for third basemen that have played in at least 50 games. He leads AL third basemen in put outs, is 3rd in assists, 2nd in double plays, and 6th in range factor for AL third basemen with at least 50 games played. He has started 108 of 113 games for the Tigers at third and has done a whole lot better then people thought he would.

Again I'm not saying Cabrera should win the award but to say Trout is the runaway winner would mean that no one else has a shot. Last time I checked there were around 50 games left in the season and Cabrera is certainly still within striking distance.
 
Ocho has been cut by the 'phins, a day fater being thrown in jail for domestic abuse. Meanwhile Plax is heading NE in hopes of landing a roster spot with the Pats. TO & Moss however have jobs.

Oh & Pack finally went out & got themselves a RB after signing Cedric Benson, dude is finally going to have a chance to see how it feels to be apart of a winning organization.
 
Dolphins just released Chad Johnson. Chad was arrested yesterday for alleged domestic violence for allegedly headbutting his wife Evelyn Lozada. Wow craziness.
 
Totally shocked by the Ocho situation.

That's not sarcasm, by the way. Chad has never had any issues of the legal variety, so the fact that it happened now is shocking.
 
Mike Trout will win the MVP as long as he and the Angels don't fall off the wagon. He has been the cause of their resurgence from last to just two games back in the Wild Card.

It's an ironic situation in Miami. They got rid of Brandon Marshall because they thought he would get in trouble, and the guy they sign to replace him is the one getting in trouble for domestic abuse. I shall ridicule my father tomorrow.
 
Thanks for Derek Lowe, Harthan/KB.

4 scoreless 2-hit innings, 44 pitches/33 strikes, and a 4-inning Save. I'd say that's a nice debut for the Bombers.

He's gonna be a decent addition for this stretch run. He's a big-market pitcher, and he'll be an adequate long-man/spot starter.
 
Thanks for Derek Lowe, Harthan/KB.

4 scoreless 2-hit innings, 44 pitches/33 strikes, and a 4-inning Save. I'd say that's a nice debut for the Bombers.

He's gonna be a decent addition for this stretch run. He's a big-market pitcher, and he'll be an adequate long-man/spot starter.

Yeah, enjoy it while it lasts. He just hasn't got enough left in the tank to do that consistently. Trust me on this.
 
Yeah, enjoy it while it lasts. He just hasn't got enough left in the tank to do that consistently. Trust me on this.
I'm not expecting him to be good every 5th day. But as a long-man/spot starter he's more then adequate.

And I love how you just say he has nothing left. The guy was good for the first 2 months of the season (7-3 with a 3.06 ERA through June 2), then slumped along with the entire team. He's liberated now, has a fresh start, and will do a serviceable job.
 
I'm not expecting him to be good every 5th day. But as a long-man/spot starter he's more then adequate.

And I love how you just say he has nothing left. The guy was good for the first 2 months of the season (7-3 with a 3.06 ERA through June 2), then slumped along with the entire team. He's liberated now, has a fresh start, and will do a serviceable job.

"Hasn't got enough left" =/ "has nothing left".

My point is that he had enough to have two great months, but is too old to do it for an entire season. Likewise, taking a week or so off and coming to the Yankees has probably re-energized him enough to be productive for a short while, but I will be surprised if he maintains his consistent, groundball form, due to him just not having enough to go for an extended period of time.

Think about this question for a while, Stormy - if Derek Lowe hadn't signed with the Yankees, would you feel the same way about him?
 
:disappointed:

The Tigers are so damn Jekyll and Hyde it's not funny. If they could just play all their games at home they'd be awesome :suspic:
 
"Hasn't got enough left" =/ "has nothing left".

My point is that he had enough to have two great months, but is too old to do it for an entire season. Likewise, taking a week or so off and coming to the Yankees has probably re-energized him enough to be productive for a short while, but I will be surprised if he maintains his consistent, groundball form, due to him just not having enough to go for an extended period of time.
In that short while, he'll be good. And by the time the "short" time of production ceases, either the season will be over or he won't be needed anymore (in one month the rosters expand, and he won't be on the playoff roster unless he's great throughout the entire months of August and September)

Think about this question for a while, Stormy - if Derek Lowe hadn't signed with the Yankees, would you feel the same way about him?
Depending on where he went, absolutely. I have always found Derek Lowe to be a good pitcher. He's not what he once was obviously, but if he went to a situation where he would be a spot starter/long man, he'd be great. And if he went to a place where he'd be a 5th starter type he'd be OK. In Cleveland he was expected to be a #2 starter, which he is not.

By the time he wore out a bit (by the way, he never missed a start for Cleveland) he was exhausted and his age caught up with him, because he can't go that much anymore. Honestly, I think they could have put him on the DL and give him 15 days off in early July and he'd be fine.
 
I'm bored, so go talk some Stephen Strasburg/Nationals and play GM with me. This situation is just annoying the fuck out of me.
 
I'm bored, so go talk some Stephen Strasburg/Nationals and play GM with me. This situation is just annoying the fuck out of me.

I've made my feelings known. It's stupid and also dumb and the person that thought up innings limit should be slapped.
 
@ Harthan. Yeah, especially since I would really be pulling for the Nats if the Tigers weren't to make it. I'd still give them a punchers chance in the NLDS because Zimmerman/Gio/Jackson could make it in a 5 game series. However, I just wanna see a top 10 pitcher already pitch in a big game.
 
who would have instituted... get this... an INNINGS LIMIT on him.

No, one who wouldn't have let him throw 130 pitches every other start.

Some pitcher for the Braves, can't remember who, just threw nine innings the other night. Johan Santana threw nine innings in his no hitter earlier this year. Same number of innings, but Santana threw 40 more pitches. Number of innings pitched is not an overly accurate depiction of a pitcher's workload
 
Yeah, the Nats have been somewhat responsible in the fact that they don't let SS go that deep into games. He hasn't made it past the 7th inning all season and has only pitched 50some pitches in the 7th all year (compared to #1 Justin Verlander whos at like 500+ I believe). He's not pitching stressful innings often which should keep some tread on the tires.
 

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