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The ressurection of the WWE Lightweight Division

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So I was just watching smackdown and I saw the match between Sin Cara and Tyson Kidd. Now, this match was pretty amazing but what caught my attention is after the match, Chavo Guerrero got in the ring and shook Sin Cara's hand and the announcers made it seem like a pretty big deal. Pretty much what I'm trying to say is that it seems the WWE is trying to bring back the cruiserweight division and build it around Sin Cara. IMO, it's about friggen time! Look at all the Cruiserweights that can be used here.

Chavo Guerrero
Christian
Cody Rhodes
Curt Hawkins
Daniel Bryan
Evan Bourne
Justin Gabriel
Primo
Santino
Sin Cara
Trent Baretta
Tyson Kidd
Yoshi Tatsu
Zack Ryder

Personally, I would like to see Sin Cara vs Chavo Guerrero for the vacant Cruiserweight title with Sin Cara coming out on top. It would be like the Old "Main guy" of the cruiserweights passing the torch on to the new guy.

Do you guys agree? Would you want to see it happen? Who would be your first champion and how would they win it? Let me know.
 
If WWE were to bring back the Cruiserweight championship I would have to believe that Santino, Christian and Cody Rhodes would all be excluded from the list of contenders. Reason being is that they are above that title IMO especially Christian and Cody. Also, if Santino wins then the title goes back to being the joke it was when Hornswaggle won it.

I personally would like to see more of an X-division type thing where there aren't weight limitations. Not saying I want giants in contention, but if they happen to be around the 230lbs mark and have some speed and skill, then they would be considered.
 
Why not? It'd be a nice way of rebuilding WWE's midcard scene, and highlight some of the talents of the younger guys among these cruiserweights (Sin Cara, Zack Ryder, Evan Bourne).
 
I was thinking the same thing. The cruiserweights were always one the best of thing going on Smackdown. If Vince does bring back the Cruiserweight Championship, I think Sin Cara would be the perfect guy to carry it. Sin Cara vs Evan Bourne vs Yoshi Tastu vs Zack Ryder in a Fatal 4 Way Ladder Match for the strap sound like good enough reason itself to bring back the division.
 
Its not a vacant title...its retired.

I think Chavo vs. SinCara is a feud and nothing more. Not building a new divison or anything of the sort. Dont know if you listen during the match (you only mentioned the part at the end) but the whole match Chavo was basically claiming SinCara ripped off The Guerrero Family.

You might be forgetting that Eddies daughter is in FCW along with Incognito (who obviously wrestles under a different name) the door is obviously open for some sort feud that has nothign to do with Lightweights but more about Lucha Hertiage.
 
I personally think WWE fucked themselves when it came to the Cruiserweight Division. Making Hornswoggle the last champion was basically taking a shit on all the little guys.
 
Should the Cruiser Weight division come back? I'd say yes. Will it come back anytime soon? maybe. But I really don't think this thing between Chavo and Sin Cara means much as far as the division goes. WWE does have many Cruisers on their roster, but they just don't seem to get the same crowd reaction as they used to and I think it's going to take more than Sin Cara to change that significantly enough.
 
I doubt they're doing that. Chavo knows how to work that style. He also knows how to speak spanish. So it's a good idea for him to work with Sin Cara.

The cruiserweight division I remember WWE not caring about. They barley gave them time, and gave Gregory Helms a year long reign probably because they didn't care about the division at all.

They were never invested in it and I think it would just another waste of a title.
 
I would love so see the Crusierweight title back, but Vince doesn't and his is the only opinion that matters. Vince is a bodybuilding nut that thinks WWE "superstars" (after all, they're not wrestlers) should all be overmuscled giants. As one person put it, Vince wants guys who "turn heads in the airport".
 
I was very excited to read that WrestleZone can exclusively reveal that Justin LaBar thinks that the WWE should bring back the cruiserweight title. Scintillating stuff, really. I mean, I definitely didn't not give a solitary fuck - that's what I didn't do. Here's what he wrote, should you be one of those mental enough to care:

I think that move would be popular among a lot of fans. I don't see it happening while Vince McMahon is in control of things. Perhaps when HHH is running all aspects of the on-air product we would see a Cruiserweight title. Right now, it doesn't really work. There are guys such as Sin Cara, Evan Bourne, Justin Gabriel, but overall take a look at the roster. Take a look in Tampa at the developmental talent. All guys that are 6 foot or taller, 200 pounds plus. The high flying smaller guy are entertaining in the ring. They can sell a story from bell to bell but the problem is, the WWE seems more interested in selling stories in every other place but the ring.

But it did get me thinking; why? Better yet - fucking why? I mean, here's a list of wrestlers that are considered all-time greats because of their work in the cruiserweight division:



That's right, there's nobody on the list. OK, so there may be those that are held in a high regard by wrestling historians, like, say, Dean Malenko or Brian Pillman. Nobody really in the public consciousness though, is there? The likes of Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio are held in such high regard because they broke out of the cruiserweight division.

Why do people who enjoy cruiserweight wrestling want a cruiserweight division? It might seem like a silly question, but if you believe in the skills of Sin Cara, Evan Bourne or Daniel Bryan why would you want to see them stuffed into a ghetto for smaller wrestlers and not prove their skills and compete for a spot in the main event? If you believe in the smaller guys, then you should not support a cruiserweight division. Let them compete in the main roster and not live a life as perpetual curtain jerkers.

Fuck the cruiserweight division and the emaciated horse it rode in on.
 
The same reason people laud mid card titles and shit like that. Its a niche, and against the grain. When poeple take a liking to a niche, they feel like they are smarter and cooler than those outside the niche.

CW divisions are shit, for the most part,by the way.
 
Highflyers generally mean shit if they can't tell an interesting story - that was the problem with WCW, they were only rarely allowed that privelege. How often did the WCW opening match have a crucial story behind it. It almost never happened. TNA had the same problem with the X Division and it took special talents like Styles to make it worthwhile.

WWE's problem and the general problem with lightweights is that they limited the flying of their cruisers and the matches were shit unless Rey was involved. The talent couldn't pull off the WCW quality matches and couldn't match the story of their bigger counterparts. If a guy is a good worker then they will outgrow a lightweight division and that is what I want to see for guys like Bryan, Sin Cara etc
 
The Cruiserweight/Light Heavyweight division is an interesting niche and offers variety for fans, much like the Womens or Tag Team or Hardcore divisions. Looking at the WCW version, it was always a hot opener to keep people watching and the fans in the arenas interested and alert.

The problem with the WWE is that they "Light Heavyweighted" by not allowing their workers to just go crazy in the ring like they did in WCW.

In places like TNA and ROH, many if not most guys are cruiserweight-types, so it's not necessary to have a cruiserweight division. But when you look at the WWE, they've got so many big men on the roster, that it's so much harder for smaller guys like Bryan, Kidd, Bourne, etc... to break out of the back and receive consist pushes and storylines in the mid-card against guys like Kingston, Swagger, etc...

If they had a cruiserweight division, that implies to fans wanting the division that those smaller wrestlers would be able to show their stuff and actively get pushed, albeit within a pond rather than a sea. Most fans who want a cruiserweight division do so because they think they're going to get Evan Bourne, Cruiserweight Champion instead of Evan Bourne, career jobber or whatever. :shrug:
 
I'm not a huge Cruiserweight division guy, but it can be a launching pad. It gives wrestlers who aren't doing anything something to do and get noticed. Do you think people like Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, and Rey Mysterio, probably the 3 most successful of the original WCW Cruiserweights, would have amounted to anything if not for the exposure they got in the Cruiserweight division? Jericho maybe, but the other two, definitely not.
 
I look at the Cruiserweight belt right now as the NWA/WCW Television title. If they don't know where to put you, then you will be in that division. Remember, the nWo didn't want that belt... why would you do that? Don't bring the belt back. Sin Cara, Evan Bourne, Daniel Bryan are midcard or higher.. You will just set them back on the card list if you do that.
 
The same reason people laud mid card titles and shit like that. Its a niche, and against the grain. When poeple take a liking to a niche, they feel like they are smarter and cooler than those outside the niche.

CW divisions are shit, for the most part,by the way.

Shit, In WCW the cruiserweight division was the only thing worth watching.

I don't think it would be a bad idea at all to bring it back as long as they can do it right. MrH is right in that it gives the younger and lighter guys something to do and a way to get over instead of being fed to the steroid freaks. If they're good enough they will find ways to break through.
 
Rumors about it got closed cause they left with Hornswaggle being the champion with not much competitors, so they just closed the division.

The Hurricane was a good cruiserweight champion, definitely should get it back!
 
got to love those who've overdosed on the WWE kool-aid.
Fact it was the cruiser weights that brought crowds to WCW Nitro, long before the NWO was even Eric's wet dream.

However, the fact that Hornswaggle was the last cruiserweight champion shows what the WWE thinks of the entire division.

I hope the title doesn't come back at all. This way, the WWE will remain stale with the usual crop of body builders turned wrestler who suck in the ring.

I was very excited to read that WrestleZone can exclusively reveal that Justin LaBar thinks that the WWE should bring back the cruiserweight title. Scintillating stuff, really. I mean, I definitely didn't not give a solitary fuck - that's what I didn't do. Here's what he wrote, should you be one of those mental enough to care:



But it did get me thinking; why? Better yet - fucking why? I mean, here's a list of wrestlers that are considered all-time greats because of their work in the cruiserweight division:



That's right, there's nobody on the list. OK, so there may be those that are held in a high regard by wrestling historians, like, say, Dean Malenko or Brian Pillman. Nobody really in the public consciousness though, is there? The likes of Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio are held in such high regard because they broke out of the cruiserweight division.

Why do people who enjoy cruiserweight wrestling want a cruiserweight division? It might seem like a silly question, but if you believe in the skills of Sin Cara, Evan Bourne or Daniel Bryan why would you want to see them stuffed into a ghetto for smaller wrestlers and not prove their skills and compete for a spot in the main event? If you believe in the smaller guys, then you should not support a cruiserweight division. Let them compete in the main roster and not live a life as perpetual curtain jerkers.

Fuck the cruiserweight division and the emaciated horse it rode in on.
 
i totally disagree. the luchadors wcw brought in (the first hour of nitro was the best because they would have them in 6 man and 8 man tags), with the guys from japan is one of the best things a company can do. if wwe would open this division and go get guys like jack evans and teddy hart (he re-hired scott steiner so give teddy a chance) and then get some more talent from Mexico and Japan would only benefit the wwe like it did with wcw. guys like rey mysterio, jericho, eddie guerrero (and chavo), ultimo dragon, xpac, jushin thunder liger, juventud guerrera went on to be huge names either in this country or their own, so to say no cruiserweights went on to be all time greats is fucking stupid
 
got to love those who've overdosed on the WWE kool-aid.
Fact it was the cruiser weights that brought crowds to WCW Nitro, long before the NWO was even Eric's wet dream.

What the fuck you smoking? The Cruiserweight division consisted of no-names when Nitro started up. Ric Flair, Sting, the Horsemen and the entering WWF guys are the people who brought in the crowds. The division only really got going in '95/'96 when Jericho, Guerrero, Malenko, Benoit & Mysterio joined WCW.
 
I am not bought over by a crusierweight division or title so to speak, but I have been contemplating and decided a-nother title or pair of titles for brands would be a good thing to have. See right now you have a load of guys who are generally considered mid-card and those main-eventers, but as we constantly witness, a lot of the time they simply inter-compete.

For example Sheamus. He's been working the mid-card scene for a while but could at any moment and without hesitation just jump up to main eventing again because he has the credentials. Point is that the boundaries are not well defined.

Now say what you will about TNA but by having more titles you can categorize people much more distinctively which sounds bad but trust me, makes sense. See you have the Bucks, the Kazarians which are very clearly X-division meaning they posses a certain quality to their game which puts them in that category. You have people like Rob Terry, Gunner, Tommy Dreamer all very much TV title guys. And Anderson, Sting, RVD, AJ, Angle all part of the world champion band. And this allows you to quantify very well a guys merits. The eventual conundrum is what to do to remove them from that category if they prove themselves to be of more worth. Well WWE has the immediate advantage of not being TNA (obviously), particularly, though, for the fact that they don't have staff which deliberately limit the progress of the smaller, leaner guy despite however much potential they may have. For example they exploited such talent from guys like Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit and others after WCW had been busy making them roll around in the same muck for far too long.

So yeah, clearly defined boundaries. What was I saying? Right so how to move them out of these boundaries, because defined boundaries are harder to break through.... plexiglass like if you will. Look, far more easy than it sounds. You just push the guy to compete ad have a programme with a more established guy. The established guy isn't going to drop down and be looked at as an X-division guy for example, the guy he's working with will just be elevated up. It does mean the pushes have to be succinct and well executed though, but that just means you have a more rigorous selection programme than just choosing any guy, you have to have a good idea of what you want him to achieve and how likely he will achieve it.

Right so where are we now? Belts. Yes. So then you have these belts, one for each brand and you have guys who are very obviously that division of guy. All of a sudden you have the lower division guys, mid-card guys and main eventers which are all distinguishable from each other. You don't have any of this guy ruling the wrestling world one day, to the next coveting the IC title, to then being the WWE title. It's simply not believable. You don't have someone like the Big Show just falling back and being satisfied with being the tag team champs, they hang around the top all the time, not necessarily being contenders but always knocking on the door if they heed the call. In short you have guys who come in as lowly considered guys, they work up to mid card and then main event provided they have the skills to do so.

And that doesn't mean you can't have any of these Del Rio guys who's feet never quite dip into the shallow water of the mid-card. You can still mega-push people if you know it'll work, it's just 90% of the time the guy will come up jobbing, contending, winning and dominating, a.k.a the HBK way, and it'll make them look very strong and worthy in the process.

So yeah. WWE '........' division titles. Make it happen. I've made the case. Remember all about clearly defined boundaries enforcing realism.
 
The Cruserweight division (as a division) is dead. I'll admit that many of my favorite wrestlers began in the cruserweights and did great things while they were there. They just became better when they found success against heavyweights. That being said, by the end the cruserweight division was a joke and it needed to be ended, mostly because it was treated with little to no respect during the end anyway.

This gets me to thinking, what would be the point of a cruserweight division? The only one I can see is it allows for more cruserweight vs. cruserweight matches which you can just as easily do without sweeping them all into one division. Just give them a solid feud. Simple as that. Come to think of it, what is the point of crowding wrestlers into divisions at all? Besides separating the men from the women (a move largely based on special interest groups pressuring wrestling companies away from "violence by men against women") the only divisions I see is main event and mid-card. It has nothing to do with size and style given that just about every character has their own style and moveset.

If you want cruserweight matches then, for goodness sake, put a couple of cruserweights against each other in an interesting story. That's what matters, not what division they're in. If they don't have a good story line, what's the point of watching their matches. And, I'd make the point that this is what ultimately lead to the demise of the cruserweight division. No stories, just matches. Hornswoggle being the last to hold the title had nothing to do with its downfall, it was just a reflection of what the WWE thought of that title at the time.
 
Overall I don't see the WWE putting the cruiserweight division in the right light. Before you know it, a diva, an announcer or a midget wins the belt and turns it into a loser-label rather than an object of prestige.

Add to that that the worth of the cruiserweight title would likely be set beneath the IC and US titles. Ouch.
I simply don't see the WWE being successful in putting meaning into this title.
 
If they utlize their cruiserweights right, then WWE should bring their Cruiserweight Championship back, other than that make it exclusive to the SmackDown vs Raw series and allow the players to create their own cruiserweight division.
 
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