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The reason John Cena gets booed was that he didnt have a great match as a midcarder?

Most guys, if they watch wrestling and see their girlfriend only pays attention when Cena wrestlers, get annoyed by things like that. Just bothers them. It's a weird guy thing. .


hahahaha realllly, now if wrestlers are getting booed cause the fans are insecure cause there girlfriends are cheering for someone woooooow maybe they should leave there bitches at home.. Reason cena is getting booed is cause wwe is shoving him down our throats, another reason ppl are booing cena is simple WE DONT LIKE HIM, we boo ppl we dont like.. The rock would talk shit to the crowd and we would eat it up and love it and cheer him, cena on the other hand loves the crowd tells them "never give up" hella positive and we still boo him he is just very boo-able.. Hes like a ned flanders of wrestling :lmao:
 
The reason why John Cena gets his ass booed so much is because he was pushed down our throats like a superman during his first three reigns as the WWE Champion and not being even credible for that. Now he works his ass off and puts some good matches and i don't understand why people are chanting "you can't wrestle". He clearly evolved as a ring worker.

As having a great match as a midcarder, he had one with Kurt Angle at No Mercy 2003 and the smark fans were behind him that night. Watch the match if you don't believe me.
 
I think John Cena gets booed just because his character is unappealing to a lot of wrestling fans, while others (mostly young kids) cheer the crap out of him. It's that mixed reaction that I think even Cena himself gets a rise out of.

I'm not a particularly huge fan of Cena, but I don't hate him either. You cannot fault the guy's work rate and his ability to come back from serious injuries looking stronger than before.

I don't buy the "he can't wrestle" notion either. He uses no more/less of an arsenal of moves than most other main eventers. People had the same gripes with The Rock, Austin and of course, Hogan. Cena has his trademark set of moves that the he is expected to pull off by the crowd.

Also (and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong), I recall him having a great midcard feud with Eddie Guererro for the US championship (and this was actually a very good feud). I also recall his debut match against Kurt Angle, in which I don't recall anyone questioning his lack of wrestling skills.
 
I agree about the reign as wwe champion. From what i recall cena basically held the title for almost two years, he lost it in those two years for a short time before getting it back, people got sick of him always being top dog and acting like he is weak before being superman like and winning, the only person who really got anything in that time from cena is edge.
The main point is his character is stale.
His mid card matches were good and not the reason why he gets booed
i can agree with the rebel idea, us fans trying to cheer the bad guy to be different but than again maybe its because they are the only ones who change in the wwe.
 
I can't remember off the top of my head but in late 2003 he had a good feud with Eddie Guerrero and an enjoyable match with Kurt Angle at No Mercy. If I remembere right, his Kurt Angle feud/match helped to put him over as a face as it would lead to Angle asking him to join his Survivor Series team against Lesnar. From that period the crowd ate up his battle raps which were directed at the heels and I don't think he was jeered as a face during his US title won which saw decent feuds with The Big Show and Booker T.

If he had been playing the same character then I don't think it would have gone over so well. He's stale now but at that time his face run was organic...the crowd practically turned him themselves as his battle raps started to win over fans. In contrast, his main event run was stuffed down people's throats to the point where it didn't seeme natural or organic to the adult portion of the crowd. He gets booed because people don't like his character because he had several good matches/feuds at the midcard.
 
man all of you are so predictable.i knew you would bring up cena's debut match.please compare it to the list of matches i have given on the first page.is it even remotely comparable to those matches.the worst match on that list was foley vs orton at backlash 2004.is angle/cena even comparable to that.

also another point id like to mention is that debut mtch with angle did cena no favours at all.cena was pushed as your average blue chipper vanilla babyface and he almost beat angle-A FREAKING OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST in his first match itself.so yeah the fans instantly turned on him from where he turned to a rapping heel

his match against kurt the second time round was perhaps comparable to foley vs orton at least but still it was just an ordinary run of the mill match and not a part of some big feud or something(i forgot about this match while writing the original post)

and you guys are saying that cena is booed coz his character is stale.very true but is the ONLY reason??? because cena has always got a mixed reaction.at least from the middle of 2005 onwards when he came to raw.so yeah your reasoning could have been true had cena started getting booed from say 2008.but thats not the case.the character cant be stale when it has barely started can it

so yeah my arguement still stands.the lack of a great and more importantly starmaking match is a reason for which cena started getting booed and it continues to present day
 
Or it's more to do with that, as a face, he was given too much too soon. It happened with The Rock. When he was a face they shoved him down our throats til it was "Die Rocky Die". With Cena they gave him a stupid rap gimmick that he somehow got over and then turned him face and, rather quickly, raced him up the card. You can get away with that as a heel (see JBL's sudden gimmick change an elevation around the same time) but, when you're shoved down the public's throat, while relying on gay and poo jokes and throwing punches the divas would be embarrassed by, it breeds resentment.

Does the lack of big matches in the mid-card hurt Cena? Not really, Hogan made it big with Cena style matches, Warrior didn't even have those (Rick Rude was the only person to carry him to an acceptable mid-card match and I don't think Kane ever knowingly had a good match.

Good mid-card matches can help you, no doubt, but they're way down the list of things that get you moved up the card. I think Jericho summed it up best when he said that the reason people started to turn on Cena was that he "had everything handed to him on a silver platter". Throw in his sham of a Rocky Balboa gimmick (did you see the house his family own? From the streets my arse, the family have a beautiful place) and you get instant heat from the fans.
 
Please, Cena is booed because quite simply a lot of the more mature adult (and predominantly male) wrestling fans don't like his character, his "white rapper" thing and the fact that he kisses the crowd's ass a little too much. Hogan used to kiss the crowd's ass, but WWE and the overall demographic of wrestling fans was different back then. We mow live in an era of the internet, popular tweeners (and even popular heels), more of a "soap opera" factor in the storylines and on top of that, it's a lot more expensive to go and watch wrestling than it used to be.

I do not believe that it has anything to do with Cena's lack of time spent at mid-card level. Besides, he WAS mid-card for a while, feuding with Eddie Guererro for the US Championship. Was Cena pushed too quickly? Maybe, but Vince obviously saw an opportunity in Cena and went with it, rather than waiting or giving him a more subtle push. From a business perspective, I can see why WWE did this, especially as they were left with a void after losing both Austin and The Rock.

Some people just flat out do not like Cena, whereas the likes of The Rock and Stone Cold tended to appeal to just about everyone. Those people would still boo Cena, even if he spent 4 years as a mid-carder.
 
I love how people love to hate on John Cena, but when you mention Hulk Hogan everyone praises him. I give Hogan a lot of credit for helping out the WWE in the 80s and making wrestling more main stream and all, but Hogan hasn't really changed his gimmick ever!

Yes he went from a face in the 80s and early 90s to a heel in the mid 90s, then back to a face in the 2000s. But no matter what he always said pretty much the same lines brother! Hogan also had a very limited move set. 1. Punches to the face 2. Bodyslam 3. Big Boot 4. Leg Drop. Occasionally he will throw a few other moves in, but those are his main moves.

Cena's move set is 1. Punches to the face 2. Killswitch, though not sure what WWE calls it now 3. Attitude Adjustment aka the FU 4. STF/U. Though looking online he did have a lot of other moves, but seems WWE is limiting him to mostly just these because this is what most fans love to see are the signature moves.

John Cena and Hulk Hogan are both amazing on the mic. Both men also have the superhuman character. Hogan hulks up in every match. Except when he was a heel, this rarely happened. John Cena does a similar hulking up in every match accept for back when he was a heel as well.
 
This is my first time posting and alot of people may dislike this post. But John Cena doesn't have "it". Now hear me out, alot of people are thinking dude are you freaking crazy but lets break down John Cena's supposed flaws one by one.

The "5 moves of doom"
Alot of people complain that John Cena uses only 5 moves in a wrestling match and that makes him a bad wrestler which is bullshit because every wrestler in North America uses basically 5 main moves. The Rock did, stone cold did, hogan did, Triple H does. The problem with him is conviction. Sure Cena can get some people in the audience to care about his moveset but so can most wrestlers. Cena's conviction in the ring sucks down to his extremely stupid "im supposed to be in pain faces" to his constant butchery of the STF and the ever horrible looking 5 knuckle shuffle. When you saw The Rock or Austin hit a move it just seemed so real there was so much emotion, with Cena its like meh.

His "Rapper" Attire.
This one speaks for itself, how in the world does the WWE expect more people to take him seriously when he wrestles in Jean Shorts and wears(recently) disgusting colored t-shirts.

"WWE Championship"
Long time wrestling fans will boo Cena for what he has done to the WWE title. I for one don't care about what the belt looks like i believe its about the status of being WWE champion. Alot of fans especially the IWC like to look at a legit looking WWE title and because of the rise of Cena the WWE feels like it is cool to have non-spinning "spinner" championships as their WWE title.

"He is always pushed down our throats."
If you watched wrestling during the attitude era then this statement is bullshit. During the attitude era Austin was pushed so far down our throats he could have came out of are asses! Austin and The Rock appeared on RAW and Smackdown and had ample amounts of ring time and mic time on both shows. Their names were mentioned on Heat, Metal, Afterburn or any other show the WWF had at the time. People complain that Cena is shoved down our throats too much and we only see him once a week on RAW. Cena's character rapper or marine just isn't captivating enough for people to want to see him every week let alone just on RAW. And the ratings show that. RAW ratings slipped during his one year title reign.

He is "Superman"
Again this has nothing to do with he is like Superman. Austin was booked stronger than Superman. Anyone remember when he came to the arena on RAW a literally beat the shit out of all the alliance members in the arena( by himself might i add!) who had been pounding on the entire WWF roster for the entire night. Your top face is supposed to be booked like Superman. But Cena just is not badass enough to come across as a person who could do that and the fans will boo when they see someone like Cena destroying the entire roster.

So as you can see Cena just doesn't have what it takes to lead the WWE to the height The Rock and Stone Cold did, or what Hulk Hogan did. His character is not compelling enough, he does not look cool, wrestlers are supposed to make wrestling look legit well he is just not very good at it. If anyone wants to challenge these points feel free to reply.
 
I'm not sure Cena is the only person to ever get hotshotted to the main event without working a memorable midcard match. Does this mean Sheamus will have trouble getting over as face in the future, given that he had zero PPV appearances before being booked to win the WWE championship? Same thing goes for Barrett.

Sheamus will have trouble getting over in general because alot of people do not take him seriously. His "monster" push was done horribly. He beat the shit out of Jamie Noble and Santino and then was awarded the WWE title match. Most people will believe this a load of bull and so does WWE hence why they can never book him to look strong over Orton because it would be BS. If you wanna see how a monster push is done correctly watch Brock Lesnar in 2002.
 
This is my first time posting and alot of people may dislike this post. But John Cena doesn't have "it". Now hear me out, alot of people are thinking dude are you freaking crazy but lets break down John Cena's supposed flaws one by one.

The "5 moves of doom"
Alot of people complain that John Cena uses only 5 moves in a wrestling match and that makes him a bad wrestler which is bullshit because every wrestler in North America uses basically 5 main moves. The Rock did, stone cold did, hogan did, Triple H does. The problem with him is conviction. Sure Cena can get some people in the audience to care about his moveset but so can most wrestlers. Cena's conviction in the ring sucks down to his extremely stupid "im supposed to be in pain faces" to his constant butchery of the STF and the ever horrible looking 5 knuckle shuffle. When you saw The Rock or Austin hit a move it just seemed so real there was so much emotion, with Cena its like meh.

I'm not the biggest fan of John Cena, but the man simply gets much more hate than he deserves. In general, I think he sells pain just fine. He doesn't oversell it and he certainly doesn't undersell it. As to the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, I see it as being no more ridiculous than The Rock's People's Elbow. Both moves get huge reactions from the live crowds

His "Rapper" Attire.
This one speaks for itself, how in the world does the WWE expect more people to take him seriously when he wrestles in Jean Shorts and wears(recently) disgusting colored t-shirts.

Well, technically, Cena hasn't done the "rapper" thing in many years. He still uses the original theme music and simply wears jean shorts and all. As far as taking him seriously, sorry but that's a joke. Basing your assessment of a wrestler as "serious" or not depending upon his outgit usually doesn't work. Think about it: most wrestlers outfits consist of knee pads, elbow pads and a pair of spandex tights. Endless jokes can be made about a man running around in nothing but spandex.

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WWE Championship"
Long time wrestling fans will boo Cena for what he has done to the WWE title. I for one don't care about what the belt looks like i believe its about the status of being WWE champion. Alot of fans especially the IWC like to look at a legit looking WWE title and because of the rise of Cena the WWE feels like it is cool to have non-spinning "spinner" championships as their WWE title.

Well, first thing, Cena didn't do anything to the WWE Championship. Vince McMahon is the one that decided the spinner belt design was going to be the one representing the embodiment of the WWE Championship belt. When Cena was doing his rap thing, the belt did make a lot more sense. After all, rappers & bling go together like peanut butter & jelly. I do agree that it needs to be changed. It honestly does look like an ugly, tacky piece of bling that you'd only see worn by a rapper.

"He is always pushed down our throats."
If you watched wrestling during the attitude era then this statement is bullshit. During the attitude era Austin was pushed so far down our throats he could have came out of are asses! Austin and The Rock appeared on RAW and Smackdown and had ample amounts of ring time and mic time on both shows. Their names were mentioned on Heat, Metal, Afterburn or any other show the WWF had at the time. People complain that Cena is shoved down our throats too much and we only see him once a week on RAW. Cena's character rapper or marine just isn't captivating enough for people to want to see him every week let alone just on RAW. And the ratings show that. RAW ratings slipped during his one year title reign.

The ratings for Raw went down long before John Cena was WWE Champion. They were going down really before he was even a serious blip on the radar. The ratings for Raw began to decline after WCW went out of business and the Monday Night Wars ended. And this was when Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock were still part of the roster and still doing their thing. By 2003, Raw was drawing in the mid-to upper 3s on average as does on most occassions. The Attitude Era was a fad and like all fads, it burned out.

He is "Superman"
Again this has nothing to do with he is like Superman. Austin was booked stronger than Superman. Anyone remember when he came to the arena on RAW a literally beat the shit out of all the alliance members in the arena( by himself might i add!) who had been pounding on the entire WWF roster for the entire night. Your top face is supposed to be booked like Superman. But Cena just is not badass enough to come across as a person who could do that and the fans will boo when they see someone like Cena destroying the entire roster.

Whenever Cena starts to make a rally and come back against the opponent, the crowds go crazy like they're supposed to for the top babyface. Sure, the smarks will often boo him because that's just in a smark's nature. As for not being badass enough, how do you explain Hulk Hogan's reaction from fans during his peak in the WWF? Hulk Hogan's babyface character in his prime and John Cena's are cut from the same cloth. They're not identical, but they're quite similar.

So as you can see Cena just doesn't have what it takes to lead the WWE to the height The Rock and Stone Cold did, or what Hulk Hogan did. His character is not compelling enough, he does not look cool, wrestlers are supposed to make wrestling look legit well he is just not very good at it. If anyone wants to challenge these points feel free to reply.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but I'm not buying into it. As I said, the Attitude Era was a fad. It was a great fad that led to huge ratings, but it was a fad all the same. After the collapse of the Monday Night Wars, even guys like The Rock & Stone Cold Steve Austin couldn't keep Raw drawing in the 6s like they once had been. It's true that wrestling hasn't entered another boom period and it might not for years to come yet. John Cena has been great in the role that the WWE has pegged for him. I'm not saying that John Cena is the greatest in-ring wrestler of all time or anything, because I couldn't say that with a straight face if I tried. But, John Cena works and has worked his ass off to promote the WWE, he sells a lot of tickets, he sells a lot of merchendise and he's able to make fans care about what he's involved in. If you want a perfect example of that, go back and watch the Raw after Hell in a Cell and you'll see exactly what I mean.
 

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