The Pointless Thread
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Wayne still out performed Moss. I dont see how Moss is better when Wayne has consistently put up more receiving yards, and yards per game. 06 Wayne averaged 81.87 yds per game, where moss averaged 42.5.
2005.. Moss averaged 62.8
Wayne averaged 65.9.
thats close but Wayne still gets the nod...
So how is Moss better in 07,06 and 05?
So by your logic, Santanio Holmes is th best receiver in the NFL because he averages 18.1 yd per reception. Besides, who cares, a good receiver should be able to bring the best out in a QB.
This is absurd, Harrison is the best route runner in the NFL. He is not quick by any means, he just knows how to get open... Ok, all of Moss's good years have been because of Culpepper, and Brady... Fair enough... Moss's success this year is Brady? Why because Moss has been bad without a solid QB. So all of Moss's success is either Culpepper, or Brady.
Alright scratch out Moss with his 23 tds and put brady's name right their... it was Brady who made those catches, not Moss
The o-line has nothing to do with him coaching the ball. Wanna know why Moss wasn't successful in Oakland? its because he doesnt want to play, because Moss cant bring the best out in a QB.
A first round draft pick better be able to do more than that especially at the WR position or he is considered a bust.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
No he didn't.
You are missing the point, and Welker had Joey Harrington last year, you know the mega bust Rice couldn't bring out the best in because he was terrible, he did good for the situation.
Read my above edit, he was nothing before Manning and Moss did rather well his 1st year in Oakland despite a bad QB and offense in general.
Alright scratch out Moss with his 23 tds and put brady's name right their... it was Brady who made those catches, not Moss
O as in Offense, and no a WR doesn't need to bring out the best in a QB, its a QB that brings out the best in a WR, thats why Brady doesn't need a steller WR core, he won 3 rings without one. And Moss did fine his 1st year in Oakland and the 2nd year NOBODY wanted to play because it was a bad situation.
False, Stallworth was the #2 WR all his years in NO and #3 this year and was hurt and his QB hurt last year.
Yes he did.. Here
06 Wayne averaged 81.87 yds per game, where moss averaged 42.5.
2005.. Moss averaged 62.8
Wayne averaged 65.9.
thats close but Wayne still gets the nod...
So how is Moss better in 07,06 and 05?
07~ Moss averaged 93.3 yds per game, and Wayne averaged 94.4.
That is close, but it still goes to Wayne.
Wayne has outperformed Moss all three years in yds, and yds per game.
How am I missing the point? A good receiver should be able to bring the best out in a QB. how, by getting opened. Making plays.
He had over 800 yds both seasons. Moss only had 1,558 yds receiving in two years in Oakland Marvin Harrison had over 1.600 without Peyton Manning
Why roll the eyes when you said it? You said its all Peyton? So why should Moss get anything when Brady is throwing him the ball? That makes no sense.
Good receivers cant bring out the best in a QB? Both Plaxico and Ward were able to get Stellar season without a good QB... Moss didnt want to play because he wasnt getting the ball.
I said he was a number one pick. Wasnt he the number one receiver in Philly?
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
More TD's, higher avg per catch....Better vertical leap, faster speed. Not Mosses fault he was stuck in Oakland for 2 years.
Good QB's don't need great WR to win, IE Tom Brady. And its the QB job to put the ball where only his WR can catch it. Saying its all WR is like saying Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman were only good because of their WR.
You are braging about 42 yards and Moss only played in 13 games last year, had he played he would have had more. The fact remains Harrison was average without Manning.
Makes sense, its easy to get steller numbers when you have one of the top 3 QB's of all time throwing it to you. Read my edit, Harrison was nothing without Manning so Manning made harrison.
What does that have to with a WR getting the best out of a QB? And Moss didn't want to play because it was a bad situation in Oakland, Porter wanted out too.
I think so, but he only played in 12 games and Mcnabb only in 10 so he was either not playing or without a QB most of the time.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
I will say one thing brian, it was interesting and we stayed civil thu this whole thing. I really do want to prove that me and you can have a civil debate. I think we did just that.
That doesnt make em better. Rice ran the forty in 4.7 and he is the greatest receiver of all time. More TDS mean nothing. What does vertical leap have to do with anything? I have guys in migh high school that were dunking at 5 ft 8. It doesnt mean they are great basketball players because they can jump high.
Alright here we.
Wayne... 07.
14.5 yds per catch.
10 td's
1,510 yds receiving.
Wayne 06...
15.2 yds per catch.
9 td's
1,310 receiving yds..
Wayne 05..
12.7 yds per catch.
only 5 td's/
1,055 yds receiving...
Moss. 07
15.2 yds per catch
23 td's.
1,493 yds receiving...
Moss 06.
13.2 yds per catch.
3 td's. that bull crap that he played 13 games wont work. if you would average it out through a whole 16 games he would have only had one extra touchdown.
553 yds... Average out his average per game. 680 yds in a season.
Moss 05.
16.8 yards per catch.
8 td's
1,005 yds.
Looks like Wayne won five of those and Moss won 4
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Moss was average without Culpepper. Up until this year. I dont see where you are heading with this
Culpepper made Moss. Moss was nothing without Culpepper up until this year.
Top 3 Qb? Every hear of Bradshaw, Montana, and Otto Graham?
But Moss signed the contract, he hsould know what he is getting himself into... Those ravens have a bad situation but Derek Mason, and Mcgahee were out like every game trying to play. Same could be said for the situation in Cinci... They dont like hteir coaching, but yet, Palmer, Johnson, Johnson, and Houshmandzadeh were out their playing... Why? Because they get paid to play. Not throw fits because their team stinks
Garcia led them to the playoffs.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
WR need a good vertical leap to catch passes in the end zone and above them.
Why are you talking about small differences?
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Moss didn't have Culpepper for some of those years, he had Johnson and Cunnigham as well. So Moss was good before Culpepper.
See above. And I wouldn't put 2 of those in the top 3.
Moss was traded to Oakland and had nagging injuries. The Ravens and Bengals had bad years, the raiders were just a mess all out.
Stallworth didn't play the 4 games of the regular season and the offense changed under Garcia.
Moon Knight
Original Prince of Darkness
Almost 5 am, need sleep. Been real Brian. I still think we have been rather civil here.
Why does Torry Holt have 71 career touchdowns? Why does Isaac Bruce have 84? Why does Hines Ward have 65?
They are good route runners. peed has nothing to do with it.
WHo cares if it is a small difference. I would rather take someone who has the same amount of catches but avg's 10.0 yds per catch tnah a guy that has 9.1 yds per catch. That extra yd can decide a game.
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Moss didn't have Culpepper for some of those years, he had Johnson and Cunnigham as well. So Moss was good before Culpepper. Wait Randall Cunningham, the same Randall Cunningham that has nearly 30,000 yds passing, and has 207 career td passes? Wasn't Moss drafted in 1998?
Graham is the most successful Qb ever, and Bradshaw, and Montana are the only QB's with four SB rings.
That doesn't make a difference. He knows the situation he is in, and he still gets paid... Why didnt he pull this when he got traded to New England?
Who cares if the offense changed, it was changed to a west coast offense, it should benefit a fast receiver like Stallworth. That is why Reid wanted him.
lol.
I as well would take the New England corp over Indy's anyday of the week but that is just me.
Personally, I think Dallas could hang with Indy's when we have Glenn.
T.O. is just as good as Harrison when he isn't dropping balls.
Glenn is better than Wayne IMO.
Crayton > Gonzales.
Witten > Clark.
FACT.
I as well would take the New England corp over Indy's anyday of the week but that is just me.
Personally, I think Dallas could hang with Indy's when we have Glenn.
T.O. is just as good as Harrison when he isn't dropping balls.
Glenn is better than Wayne IMO.
Crayton > Gonzales.
Witten > Clark.
FACT.
Nobody actually gives two fucks about any of this. Take your argument to the sports section or something, the bar room is for pointless spamming and flaming, not this shit.
Coconut > Your Argument.
FACT
You have a Lashley sig. Who are you to tell me anything?
You have a "4 Mod" sig and I'm already a mod. So try again junior.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
What the fuck is wrong with Lashley?, the guy is great and has loads of potential, if they let him actually wrestle and do what he can do he he'd putting out phenomenal matches, his match with Cena was one of the best of last year
and how the hell does having a Lashley sig make his opinion less valid?
Coco>Koala
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
I could defiantly see him Main Eventing WrestleMania next year, I like to see change his finisher though, the powerslam he does just doesn't seem like a finisher, I'd like to see him either go back to the Dominator, or use something like the Angle Slam (re-name it obviously), or the F-5, I do think he should keep the spear but use it as a set up move for his finisher
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
IDK, I just see him winning his first WWE title at WM, if the match happens at SummerSlam Cena will retain, I think SummerSlam would more likely be a triple threat, with a heel in there too...assuming Lashley and Cena are still both face then
Punk is another guy who could use another finisher, I was watching a match of his in ROH where he did the Pepsi Twist on Christopher Daniels, and I immediately thought why can't he use that as his finisher in WWE, it's a hell of a lot better than the GTS, and he could hit it on just about anyone
The Pepsi Twist
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A heel turn next year could do him alot of good.
The guy is a monster and with some sort of badass gimmick and a manager he would be more entertaining for the bashers that rip his mic ability. If he does stay face, I see a feud with Triple H sometime this year. The heel turn is just around the corner. I could see some others but the brand extension fucks that up.
As for Cena. Yeah he would win. Again but it's common sense by now he's going to be the Little Hulkster.
God, I hope he sticks to movies one day. I do not want to see another year full of borefests.
The guy is a monster and with some sort of badass gimmick and a manager he would be more entertaining for the bashers that rip his mic ability. If he does stay face, I see a feud with Triple H sometime this year. The heel turn is just around the corner. I could see some others but the brand extension fucks that up.
As for Cena. Yeah he would win. Again but it's common sense by now he's going to be the Little Hulkster.
God, I hope he sticks to movies one day. I do not want to see another year full of borefests.
justinsayne
Cody Rhodes is an excellant
These are the same people who rip Jeff Hardy's mic ability, and I'm not saying Jeff is great on the mic, but as of late he's been given more time with promos and has done some pretty decent ones, the Only way Lashley can get better on the mic is if he's given time with it to work on his skills, everybody likes to compare Lashley to Brock Lesnar and lets remember Brock wasn't all that great on the mic either, he just needs to time
Personally I would rather see Cena comeback and turn heel than Lashley, might make Cena more intersting to watch, I remember Cena's heel run on SD!, and he was much more entertaining then, when he turned face he started to lose his edge and became bland and boring
Personally I would rather see Cena comeback and turn heel than Lashley, might make Cena more intersting to watch, I remember Cena's heel run on SD!, and he was much more entertaining then, when he turned face he started to lose his edge and became bland and boring
TheOneBigWill
[This Space for Rent]
Excuses! They won't lose this season, jealous! Face it they won all their games, took advantage of their mistakes and you can't change that.You just trash them because you hate them.
I actually respect them for everything they've done. I don't hate, or dispise any football team.
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