The Place of Unlearning

[Murfish]

How much land does a man need?

We probably disagree due to my capitalist views, but I'd say it's about how much a man can earn, not how much he needs.

How are they coming along Murfish? Remember, they need to be done by sunday morning.

Working on it.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

TM, I will begin judging again tomorrow. I expect my judging obligations to be done by this weekend.

 

[Mr. TM]

Alright, thanks you two. I have to work on my spanish and my irish judge to get them going.

 

[Murfish]

Marquis, Air Gear is good. It also has more fan service than I've ever seen before.

 

[Murfish]

I got my SAT II results back. I got a 660 on Literature and 800 on Math 2.

Is my life telling me to do something with math in the future? I don't know why my verbal standardized test scores have been so fucked lately.

 

[gd]

I'd go with math

 

[Murfish]

That's what I'm thinking, but I don't really want to do that.

 

[Murfish]

FML, I should not have gone to the party I went to tonight.

 

[Murfish]

Marquis, I like Air Gear, but do you ever get the feeling that it was made in a fractured manner?

 

[gd]

FML, I should not have gone to the party I went to tonight.

Were you molested?

 

[Murfish]

Were you molested?

My conceptions about who some people are were anally raped.

 

[gd]

My conceptions about who some people are were anally raped.

Anytime alcohol is involved that'll happen

 

[Coco]

Deep brain penetration. Nice.

 

[gd]

Deep brain penetration. Nice.

I prefer the ear canal

 

[Coco]

Balls deep.

 

[Murfish]

What ev, I'll get over it. I'm 15-35% sure I have aspergers anyway.

 

[jmt225]

Murfish... let's talk about Southland Tales. I've watched it twice in the past few days, and I think it's absolutely brilliant. After the first viewing, I enjoyed it even though it left me confused, but it's entertainment value alone was enough to keep me satisfied. Then, the next day, I went to IMDB and read this dude's interpretation of the film and I thought he put it in a tremendous perspective. I watched it again after that, and I totally agree with him. What do you think?

Here is what Southland Tales is about, for those who don't get it.

I'll begin with the basis. The film is about two main ideas, and the ultimate one. God vs. the devil, and Capitalism vs. communism. The Baron represents both the devil and communism. Ultimately, however, at the very bottom the film is about the battle for the soul of Boxer Santaros.

Notes on characters:

Boxer Santaros - Movie star who the devil wishes to make a god to fulfill a prophecy, and fails.

Krysta Now - Celebrity who has made a deal with devil to further contribute to the perversion of man.

Ronald/Roland Taverner - The true messiah, the second coming of Christ who comes back on a white horse (the ice-cream truck)

Pilot Abilene - He is a prophet. He knows the true messiah and speaks his word. He is a Watcher. When he took fluid karma he could enter Heaven, where Marilyn Monroe is. "I've got soul but I'm not a soldier," means that no matter what I will be a soldier of God first and a soldier of your phony war second. The scene in the Fire arcade is pretty powerful stuff, imho.

Baron von Westphalen - He represents the devil, and does his work on Earth. He silently controls the whims and covertly controls the masses through his manipulation of ocean waves through the fluid karma tidal generators. He makes deals across the board for the souls of those around him, and for the souls of the masses. Selling the baron your finger means selling him your soul. The trafficking of thumbs are the trafficking of souls, the marxists foolishly supporting the true agenda of the devil. (In the Cannes cut, it is more obvious of US-IDENT's interest in retrieving thumbs. Bart Bookman finds a cache of them and reports in to headquarters after killing of Dion and Dream.)

Inga von Westphalen - Marx's granddaughter? Baron's mother. Represents the coexistance of the devil and marxist theory.

Bobby Frost - The puppet at the hands of the baron.

Nana Mae Frost - She represents authoritarianism, and is ultimately defeated (shot to death) by anarchism.

Madeline Frost Santaros - She is a slave who cannot free herself from the agenda of the baron. Her job was to marry Boxer, and she really does love him (probably under some demonic love spell). She is not an evil character, as she tries to expose the baron in one scene. The baron comes out with evidence against her to slander and discredit her, further perpetuating her slavery. She cannot help but to be led into the destruction of the Treer Megazeppelin. Boxer tries to warn her but she cannot hear it.

Cyndi Pinziki - Head of the neo-marxists. The blackmail of Bobby Frost further represents the fight between capitalism and marxism, as it is natural for a marxist to try to get at some of the capitalist's money. Her scenes with Vaughn Smallhouse are about capitalism vs marxism even though at the end of the day, they come together and kiss (in the Cannes cut). Ultimately, marxism and capitalism are both the same thing in the end, because they are both covertly controlled by agents of the baron.
The baron even says that the marxists don't know anything about Karl Marx. Indeed sir, they do not.

Dion and Dream - Neo-marxist revolutionaries. The celebrities and activists who are also are sacrificed. They do not understand marxism at all, like most celebrities, and ultimately are led to the slaughter.

Zora - Represents betrayal and is an unwitting agent of the of baron's agenda. Krysta is her handler and she is in love with her (Later killed in a shootout with a "fascist pig," how ironic).

Bart Bookman - He is simply a man who does not care about life. He foolhardily throws himself into eternal darkness.

Martin Kefauver - The angel of death. Destroyer of Babylon, the Treer Megazeppelin (named after Jenny Von Westphalen, interesting stuff)

Serpentine - She works for the baron, but she knows the true prophecy. She represents the innate division in the house of evil.

Dr. Katrina Kunzler - Also knows the true prophecy. She is a seer.

Simon Theory - Represents science, and is aligned with the baron. Represents atheism and rational thought, as it is completely rational that Boxer would commit suicide, but to subscribe to that theory would be to ignore the obvious truth. That he is a pimp, and pimps don't commit suicide.

Dr. Soberin Exx - A mad scientist exceeding far beyond the moral boundaries of science. Dangerous science. Dangerous for all of us really.

Fortunio Balducci - Works for the baron, but covertly works for the anarchists. His quote in the beginning about social upheaval in the beginning was him just phoning in the performance of neo-marxism. He is a secret capitalist.

Krysta's porn star friends - The porn stars surrounded by Krysta are obviously dimwitted, and represent a certain portion of those in our culture who are also godless and being led astray. This is evidenced by their views on abortion and promiscuous sex.

Walter Mung - He works with the anarchists. He kidnaps Ronald and keeps him secure in order to fulfill the true prophecy, and also gives Martin the missile launcher. The anarchists in the film work covertly, so covertly that their agenda is fulfilled through whispers under the surface. The anarchists represent the true political and spiritual underground of the film.

"This is the way the world ends, not with a whimper [apocalyptic baby fart] but with a bang [destruction of Megazeppelin.]

The end of the world might not be the literal apocalypse that the baron wishes for, but with instead the creation of a new world.

This movie is about the Book of Revelations, and Karl Marx. If you don't get it, well, then you have a lot of things to learn...

Also, man... I don't think I'll ever get tired of watching this video:

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[Cena's Little Helper]

Where did Dexter go? My love for jmt225 prevents from commenting on what he has to say about Southland Tales.

 

[jmt225]

At least we both hate Ordinary People, Tdigs.

A week or so ago, bored, I looked up your old "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" thread and got a huge kick out of what you had to say about Ordinary People. I wrote a similar review in the Review thread. Such an overrated piece of trash.

 

[gd]

Where did Dexter go?

Probably left, he's been bitching about unfair mods and admins lately.

 

[Murfish]

Southland Tales is great. It has flaws, but it's entertaining and the relations to the book of revelations are extremely satisfying. I just love it.

Explanation for Absence:

I have been pushing college applications through the system and am only waiting for my teacher recommendations (Penn State, Coll of William and Mary, UMD, BC, BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Virginia Tech, U. Virginia, and Loyola). I plan to major in mathematics.

In news about my life, I've gotten high three times in the past two weeks and I think my personal life is slowly falling apart.

Double plus good winter to all of you.

 

[Coco]

Does pushing them through involve physically pushing them? If so, absence forgiven and strongly approved. Nice to see you in good health, Murfy Brown.

 

[Murfish]

That's actually exactly what I had to do. My parents threatened to cancel my applications because I wasn't getting them done.

I do feel like I'm healthy. I've lost weight, but unfortunately am rocking a bit of a 'sick' look.

 

[Coco]

I hate beaurocracy. I also find my school's webstie astoundingly hard to navigate. Just a random thought.

How sick? "Look like a piece of burnt broccoli" sick?

 

[Murfish]

Sick like you haven't been sleeping well, have been eating less, and have been smoking and drinking a lot.