The Knockouts & Lingerie: Some Thoughts...

[Olan]

I found it somewhat ironic that the knockouts have a lingerie match AFTER Russo, who by all accounts is not a fan of women wrestlers, is no longer the lead booker.

I understand that the KO's are suppose to be 'above' matches like this but is the clothes they wore last night all that much different than their usual attire? Not that I am complaining mind you. But their 'disgust' rang false with me.

I did like the Gail/Mickie confrontation and the use of Gail's recent interviews.

 

[closet_fan]

with free online porn at my disposal whenever i want, the only way they could possibly get ladies wrestling interesting is if they wrestled naked and ended in a full-on lesbian orgy.

woman wrestling in lingerie doesn't mean much like it used to to those who don't have internet restrictions.

 

[Lowdown]

From what I've read and seen on TV, I wouldn't read too much into it. Overall I think based on the aftermath of the lingerie match they put some attention back on the heat between Karen Jarrett and Velvet. I stated on here before that it seemed like the writers put this on the back burner. So it's cool to see it pick up a little. But as far as the KO's attitudes were to the concept of the match itself, that was going to be the general response, particularly from Tara. It was probably an idea that was ill-conceived on the fly right before the taping of the show.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I don't think TNA or the Knockouts can really make any snarky comments about the WWE Divas after this last last night. The Knockout Division hasn't been all that great for a few years now, but this match really hurt their credibility as a "real women's wrestling" division.

I also didn't buy into the "disgust" the Knockouts feigned in the match because it just doesn't make sense. For most of them, the lingerie wasn't any more revealing than their usual ring attire. For a few of them, like Velvet Sky, I've never seen them covered up as much as they were in their outfits. It also just makes even less sense when you consider how certain Knockouts, like Velvet & Tessmacher for instance, act like and gyrate like pole dancers when they're out there.

The Lingerie Match is a concept that's rendered obsolete by the easy availability of internet porn. This isn't 1998 and it just makes you roll your eyes all the more whenever you hear TNA or one of their Knockouts criticize WWE for doing stuff like this in the past.

 

[shattered dreams]

I don't think TNA or the Knockouts can really make any snarky comments about the WWE Divas after this last last night. The Knockout Division hasn't been all that great for a few years now, but this match really hurt their credibility as a "real women's wrestling" division.

How so? Why are people so dense that they can't understand the story? This wasn't only about what they were wearing. It was specifically about the faces wanting the division to be better than this and the heel leadership trying to embarrass them by forcing them to do what WWE does every week. It was a parody at places. The PPV title match is still Gail Kim vs Mickie James (neither of which were in this match I might add). That seems pretty credible to me.

I also didn't buy into the "disgust" the Knockouts feigned in the match because it just doesn't make sense. For most of them, the lingerie wasn't any more revealing than their usual ring attire. For a few of them, like Velvet Sky, I've never seen them covered up as much as they were in their outfits. It also just makes even less sense when you consider how certain Knockouts, like Velvet & Tessmacher for instance, act like and gyrate like pole dancers when they're out there.

Did you bother to listen to the promo Karen cut after the match? Most of this was addressed and it was clearly part of the story.

The Lingerie Match is a concept that's rendered obsolete by the easy availability of internet porn. This isn't 1998 and it just makes you roll your eyes all the more whenever you hear TNA or one of their Knockouts criticize WWE for doing stuff like this in the past.

What is it that WWE has done better in the present? TNA lets the KO try and tell stories even if it doesn't always work.

It would be nice if people could tell the difference between the way something is advertised and what it actually is. Especially when the way it is advertised is intended to draw a negative response from IWC types.

 

[93178]

It was advertised as a Lingerie match and I get the point of how it was suppose to be Karen doing this to get back at the face Knockouts because they always talk about never doing things like this. And I understand why Brook and Velvet came out in the way they did because it was them following the match rules but really not showing anything.

Velvet, Madison and Winter showed less skin in their Lingerie then they do every match they have in their wrestling gear. Brook's looked the same as normal wrestling gear and really so did Love. Weirdly it was Tara that seemed to be the only one who actually went by what the "match" was suppose to be.

It made sense storyline/TNA wise why they came out the way they did and why the match was made and it seemed to work well since it didn't make them look like they where in a real Lingerie match like WWE used to have.

 

[Azane]

I liked how it was called Thong Thunder, but they had full nightgowns on a couple of them.

You do bring up a point I agree with though, the bikini attire was closer to their wrestling attires than Maddison and Winter's Nighties.

The point they tried to make storyline wise was a good one, but the creative around this match just ignored reality and it didn't follow through.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

How so? Why are people so dense that they can't understand the story? This wasn't only about what they were wearing. It was specifically about the faces wanting the division to be better than this and the heel leadership trying to embarrass them by forcing them to do what WWE does every week. It was a parody at places. The PPV title match is still Gail Kim vs Mickie James (neither of which were in this match I might add). That seems pretty credible to me.

I get what they were trying to do and it was still garbage. The Knockout Division hasn't been good for a VERY long time. It's hard to buy into your "trying to embarass them by forcing them to do what WWE does every week" for a lot of reasons. Reason #1 is that WWE doesn't or hasn't done lingerie matches in years. Reason #2 is that this isn't 2008 when the Knockout Division was at its peak and the roster had lots of diverse women on it, all of whom could get it done. Like the WWE Divas today, the Knockout Division is filled mostly with women that get by due to their apperances and are servicable. Most of the women that actually can wrestle are usually watered down to such an extent that their actual skill level is nowhere to be seen. Using this sort of match to take a shot and parody at WWE is as effective as purposely shooting yourself in the foot to demonstrate the potential dangers of gun violence. Going out there and doing exactly what you criticize the competition for doing isn't going to make you stand up and say "Wow!! Those chicks can wrestle!!!". If TNA wants to show they have a better women's division, even though both theirs & WWE are crap and have been for a long time, there are much easier and more constructive ways to do it.

Did you bother to listen to the promo Karen cut after the match? Most of this was addressed and it was clearly part of the story.

Can't say that I did because I turned the show off after the match was done. Why would I want to hear Karen Jarrett address how stupid the lingerie stipulation is and how the various Knockouts typically dress and/or act like pole dancers when I already know that myself?

What is it that WWE has done better in the present? TNA lets the KO try and tell stories even if it doesn't always work.

I never said WWE has done any better. My point is that there seems to be a MASSIVE double standard when it comes to the idea of women's wrestling among TNA & WWE. How often have you heard the argument, or even made it yourself, that women in WWE are all nothing but models getting by on their looks? But then, look at the women of the Knockout Division. Not exactly many "average" looking women in TNA or women that are pulling off these mind bogglingly skillful matches week in & week out. If WWE did this exact same match this Monday on Raw, it'd be denounced as a huge waste of air time. You know it and I know, and it'd be true. Yet, you're defending TNA for doing it. We all know you love TNA and nothing wrong with that at all, but crap is crap no matter what your favorite wrestling company might be.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Sorry, but part of a story or not, i still think that it's makes TNA look like complete hypocript. They been saying for years how they're not models, they're wrestlers and they don't wrestles in stupid T&A matches likes lingeries match like the WWE and now not only did they did the type of match that they said for years they would never have but, they're going do to even worst next.

If the division wasn'T a joke before this week, it is now with this story and i really feel sorry for these woman's that are stuck in this story just so build up to Mickie James vs Gail Kim. No wonder nobody on the indy's wants to join TNA anymore.

 

[jbwphoto1]

Sorry, but part of a story or not, i still think that it's makes TNA look like complete hypocript. They been saying for years how they're not models, they're wrestlers and they don't wrestles in stupid T&A matches likes lingeries match like the WWE and now not only did they did the type of match that they said for years they would never have but, they're going do to even worst next.

If the division wasn'T a joke before this week, it is now with this story and i really feel sorry for these woman's that are stuck in this story just so build up to Mickie James vs Gail Kim. No wonder nobody on the indy's wants to join TNA anymore.

Not to repeat what wrestlingmasters55 said, but to add to it, they even let Tara say that lingerie matches were part of the reason she left the last place she worked. Of course, part of it was her aging which couldn't be helped, but she was one of the few Vince had who could actually wrestle. And what does TNA do? They bury one of the main reasons the organization was different from WWE. Maybe the wrestling only matters when it's men in the ring and not women.

And what the heck was going on with Katie Lea/Winter? Was she wearing a bra and panty under her lingerie?

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

The match was annoying because it was a clear attempt at a rating grab. First it's called a "thong thunder match" which is an awful name, and implies thongs, which were not in the match at all. Then they call it a lingerie match on Impact. Then when it finally comes down to it, most of the women were wearing more clothing than their actual ring attire.

In terms of "hotness" or sexiness, they lose because it was extremely misleading and just a regular match. Having a video with Brooke and Tara showing their "reactions" to the match and how they hated it, and then having them wear somewhat normal ring attire was stupid.

In terms of wrestling, they lose because the concept just brought down what used to be high quality womens wrestling even more. For years, the idea has been that TNA women can wrestle, and now they throw them in a gimmick match like this? It cuts the whole division down (even though it hasn't really been good in a while).

 

[shattered dreams]

I get what they were trying to do and it was still garbage. The Knockout Division hasn't been good for a VERY long time. It's hard to buy into your "trying to embarass them by forcing them to do what WWE does every week" for a lot of reasons. Reason #1 is that WWE doesn't or hasn't done lingerie matches in years. Reason #2 is that this isn't 2008 when the Knockout Division was at its peak and the roster had lots of diverse women on it, all of whom could get it done. Like the WWE Divas today, the Knockout Division is filled mostly with women that get by due to their apperances and are servicable. Most of the women that actually can wrestle are usually watered down to such an extent that their actual skill level is nowhere to be seen. Using this sort of match to take a shot and parody at WWE is as effective as purposely shooting yourself in the foot to demonstrate the potential dangers of gun violence. Going out there and doing exactly what you criticize the competition for doing isn't going to make you stand up and say "Wow!! Those chicks can wrestle!!!". If TNA wants to show they have a better women's division, even though both theirs & WWE are crap and have been for a long time, there are much easier and more constructive ways to do it.

What you still don't get is that the goal was never to only to be wrestlers. It isn't embarrassing because of the type of match, it is embarrassing because of the implication that no one cares about what they do if they are not taking off their clothes to do it. Just like in reality having them just wrestle isn't a formula for mainstream success. You blend the two and give them an opportunity to see what they can do (see Trish Stratus). TNA has plenty of KOs that are more than serviceable. But that isn't the key difference. TNA gives their women more developed characters and actual storylines to play out. The characters are what they get by on.

Can't say that I did because I turned the show off after the match was done. Why would I want to hear Karen Jarrett address how stupid the lingerie stipulation is and how the various Knockouts typically dress and/or act like pole dancers when I already know that myself?

Because it might help you understand something you clearly didn't Saying I intentionally took things out of context isn't a winning argument.

I never said WWE has done any better. My point is that there seems to be a MASSIVE double standard when it comes to the idea of women's wrestling among TNA & WWE. How often have you heard the argument, or even made it yourself, that women in WWE are all nothing but models getting by on their looks? But then, look at the women of the Knockout Division. Not exactly many "average" looking women in TNA or women that are pulling off these mind bogglingly skillful matches week in & week out. If WWE did this exact same match this Monday on Raw, it'd be denounced as a huge waste of air time. You know it and I know, and it'd be true. Yet, you're defending TNA for doing it. We all know you love TNA and nothing wrong with that at all, but crap is crap no matter what your favorite wrestling company might be.

You can try and put words in my mouth but that doesn't mean I would say them. If WWE did this same thing I think it would be awesome. Probably much more intersting than it was here. Would they ever? No chance in hell they give their women that much time among other things. I suspect many of the women in WWE are much more talented than they get a chance to show. All I really criticize WWE women's division for is what is the point of them being there at this point? They don't let them do much of anything. No one says TNA KO are always successful in the matches they put on but they easily are given more opportunity to make something of themselves; whether it be time, characters, stories or style.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

You can try and put words in my mouth but that doesn't mean I would say them. If WWE did this same thing I think it would be awesome. Probably much more intersting than it was here. Would they ever? No chance in hell they give their women that much time among other things. I suspect many of the women in WWE are much more talented than they get a chance to show. All I really criticize WWE women's division for is what is the point of them being there at this point? They don't let them do much of anything. No one says TNA KO are always successful in the matches they put on but they easily are given more opportunity to make something of themselves; whether it be time, characters, stories or style.

Sure TNA gave them more opportunities to make something of themselves, i mean look at who TNA is pushing in the knockout division, Gail Kim, Mickie James, Madison Rayne and Velvet. 2 of them are former WWE girls and one of the other 2 is push because of how she look. The only one getting a opportunity is Madison. Everybody else have been an afterthough to these 4 womans. The one thing that bothers me is that some of these girls left WWE especially because of these T&A type matches that WWE use to do and now their praising TNA for doing the same thing.

The main problem i have with this is that it all lead to something between Velvet and Karen, so the rest of the knockout that were stuck in this had nothing to do with this and will probably be forgotten after a couple of weeks of crappy matches that will turn off most fans watching this.

The knockout division use to be something different from the WWE, they USE to let them WRESTLES without having stupid gimmick are been made to look like Sex symbol and it worked because they always had the highest rated segment each and everyweek, now after last thursday, they pretty much prove 2 things to me, first the knockout division that i use to love watching is dead and buried and i'm better off watching Shimmer DVD if i want to woman'S wrestling fix and second, TNA is stuck in the late 90'S and they're not getting out anytime soon.

So in conclusion, after last thursday, i understand why no female performers on the indy seen wants to go to TNA anymore, they treat they're female talents even worst then WWE.

 

[JWGunslinger]

I did find the whole drama over the lingerie match to be a tad bit goofy, and I dont think it is something that anyone is going to hold against the division forever. I get that a match like this does make the Knockouts look more like just pretty faces in there to look good but isn't that what they are? Yes I like to see a good Knockouts match and I can take some of their matches seriously, but I can do the same with the WWE and respect them as athletes even though they have stuff like this on a regular basis. If they came out to the ring for their matches in jumpsuits then I would understand them protesting the lingerie match but they probably show more skin in their regular attire, Velvet was covered up more than she normally is and she was freaking out more than anyone. Bottom line is that while they are wrestlers they're out there to look good too, and the Divas division gets just as much respect as the Knockouts if not more and they do this shit all the time. We all know that you're wrestlers and that you're here because youre talented but doing a lingerie match is not going to destroy your credibility or reputation.

 

[Rayne]

I never claim to understand everything, but I have learned to accept there are things that are true which I am not able to understand. I have no fucking clue why the Knockouts division is consistently the highest rated segment for TNA/IW. Are there that many people online who haven't discovered internet porn?

The days of the KO division being an athletic feast are done, and let's be honest here- the glory days of the KO division consisted of the Gail Kim/Awesome Kong feud, and Awesome Kong's title reign. It went downhill pretty fast after that- there are no more New Years' Eve specials for women wrestlers. The only one they have that can act and wrestle is Mickie James; Winter can wrestle but not act, Gail Kim can wrestle until she hurts herself.

But somehow they cobble their highest rated segments out of that. I don't understand it and probably never will.

 

[shattered dreams]

Can someone please explain this stupid 2008 was amazing and 2011 is crap idea? The only person not here now is Awesome Kong. Awesome Kong was certainly interesting but she didn't make the entire division. In fact Kong was starting to fall prey to the post-monster letdown. I am just waiting for someone to say Taylor Wilde so I can laugh my ass off at how little you understand. The KO division has more character and storyline depth now compared to then and it isn't even close. As always this is just morons obsessed with "real wrestling" propaganda.

Daffney wasn't a real wrestler. Winter is a lot better than Daffney. Velvet Sky is clearly better than she was then. Same with Madison. Sarita has improved her character some. There was no Mickie James etc. What are you people smoking?

 

[snoopy]

I'm sorry but can people even try and follow the storyline ? The storyline is Karen wanted them to wear a skimpy thong ! And they didn't and that's why she's so upset.She said the outfits they were wearing was no diffrent than what they normally wear ,And that's why she's going to punish them.I mean it's one thing to bash Tna when they do something stupid but is another thing to bash them when you get the storyline wrong!

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I really don't see a major issue here. The idea was quite simple, to piss off the KOs Karen tells them they must compete is lingerie because that goes against their ethos. In turn, they thumb their noses at her by wearing outfits that were either less or equally as revealing as their normal attire. Therefore the heat remains between the two sides.

I could understand the consternation if they'd come out like Torrie Wilson and Stacey Kiebler did in the past, with big smiles and little else on and the matches were mostly for laughs. This wasn't put across that way though, once the bell rang the girls tried to put on a match (Brooke's stink face needs to go though as it doesn't make sense in a 'serious' women's division).

 

[Rayne]

Can someone please explain this stupid 2008 was amazing and 2011 is crap idea? The only person not here now is Awesome Kong. Awesome Kong was certainly interesting but she didn't make the entire division. In fact Kong was starting to fall prey to the post-monster letdown. I am just waiting for someone to say Taylor Wilde so I can laugh my ass off at how little you understand. The KO division has more character and storyline depth now compared to then and it isn't even close. As always this is just morons obsessed with "real wrestling" propaganda.

Mmmm. Nice attempt to generalize a criticism with your last sentence there. This is not a "real wrestling" argument. This is an "this was entertaining" argument. I loved the Awesome Kong/Gail Kim storyline. It worked for months and it drew enough of an audience to convince Spike to dedicate their New Year's Eve slot to women's professional wrestling. After Awesome Kong left- and this is a subjective argument, I know- I haven't found anything TNA/IW has done with their women's division entertaining, and I've given them a shot. I don't care about Velvet Sky, Mickie James was boring me with repetition years ago in the WWE, Angelina is a *shrug* for me, the only Knockout I find remotely interesting is Winter, and she can do everything but act.

No one's going to bring up Taylor Wilde, so put that back in your "people just make fun of TNA/IW for stupid reasons" argument cache.

Daffney wasn't a real wrestler. Winter is a lot better than Daffney.

I just complimented Winter. Didn't even mention Daffney. You are the VERY FIRST person in this thread to mention Daffney. Argue against what people are arguing. Don't make up arguments and attack a fictitious position.

Velvet Sky is clearly better than she was then. Same with Madison. Sarita has improved her character some.

Not only was Sarah Stock (Sarita) not around, but I'd disagree with you about Velvet and Madison, I think you've just become more accustomed to them and forgive them their deficits.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Can someone please explain this stupid 2008 was amazing and 2011 is crap idea? The only person not here now is Awesome Kong. Awesome Kong was certainly interesting but she didn't make the entire division. In fact Kong was starting to fall prey to the post-monster letdown. I am just waiting for someone to say Taylor Wilde so I can laugh my ass off at how little you understand. The KO division has more character and storyline depth now compared to then and it isn't even close. As always this is just morons obsessed with "real wrestling" propaganda.

Daffney wasn't a real wrestler. Winter is a lot better than Daffney. Velvet Sky is clearly better than she was then. Same with Madison. Sarita has improved her character some. There was no Mickie James etc. What are you people smoking?

The only way i can explain this is that in 2008-2009 you had real wrestlers that came from the indy's. TNA gave them a opportunity to get their name out there to fans that didn'T know who they were. Every knockout had a chance to have great matches without this sports entertainment crap and fans like it because they always were the highest rated segment on IMPACT. They had by far the greatest roster of knockout. Girls like Gail Kim, Awesome Kong, Cheerleader MElissa (Alissa Flash), Roxxi, ODB, Hamada and Yes,Taylor Wilde just to name a few that gave great matches that fans of TNA wrestling actually loves to watch. Back Then it wasn't about where you came from or who'd you married too. Indy girls actually wanted to go to TNA. THE new years specials featuring the knockout in 2009 did better ratings that 2008 new years edition of IMPACT.

That'S the difference between the division back then and the division right now. Sure the division got more characters but so what if nobody cares about it. Right now, to be able to have a opportunity in TNA you have to either be a former WWE divas (Gail Kim, Mickie James), Look Like a barbie doll(Velvet Sky,MAdison Rayne) or be married to somebody who got some stroke with management (Karen Angle) if your not in either of these category, you serve only as furniture to further the storyline that one of these knockouts are involve it. That the reason why i hated that match last thursday, because it'S only to advance the Velvet vs KAren Angle story and didn'T serve any purpose to have all of them wrestles in lingeries plus it makes them look cheap for pulling a stunt like that with woman's that can actually wrestles and attract peoples based on the wrestling matches and not how they look.

So i hope i helped you understand what'S the difference between the 2008/2009 era of the knockout division and the division right now and if you don'T believe me about the ratings just do a little research, every thing are on the internet.

 

[shattered dreams]

So in a nutshell the only thing you ever liked was Kim vs Kong yet you trumpet this myth that the entire division was so great back then. Oh yeah, you also like Winter a little bit. Winter is part of the division now, Daffney was then although I am confused what exactly the time frame cutoff is between this stupid "good" and "bad" idea. People are arguing about good then vs bad now. I provided a counter example of a niche that was being filled better now than it was then. I fail to see how that is so terribly off topic. I can't take you seriously if you see no difference between Madison then vs now.

I reiterate my main point, which you didn't refute: Kong wasn't the whole division and is the only noticeable difference. Sarita debuted around the same time as Tara and both of them were there before Kong left. If you aren't counting Tara in your time frame then that is another big difference. I suppose you have some idiotic subjective reason to completely dismiss her as well though. Oh yeah Velvet is clearly a better in-ring performer than she was when she first came to TNA. That doesn't mean she is great in the ring or anything but she is serviceable enough to let her the rest of her package get over (mic, character, looks etc.)

The only way i can explain this is that in 2008-2009 you had real wrestlers that came from the indy's. TNA gave them a opportunity to get their name out there to fans that didn'T know who they were. Every knockout had a chance to have great matches without this sports entertainment crap and fans like it because they always were the highest rated segment on IMPACT. They had by far the greatest roster of knockout. Girls like Gail Kim, Awesome Kong, Cheerleader MElissa (Alissa Flash), Roxxi, ODB, Hamada and Yes,Taylor Wilde just to name a few that gave great matches that fans of TNA wrestling actually loves to watch. Back Then it wasn't about where you came from or who'd you married too. Indy girls actually wanted to go to TNA. THE new years specials featuring the knockout in 2009 did better ratings that 2008 new years edition of IMPACT.

Alissa Flash rarely wrestled for TNA. Gail Kim is in the division now, ODB is around, Hamada/Taylor Wilde have zero personality/character which doesn't work in mainstream companies and Roxxi was a one trick pony that once she grew her hair back wasn't interesting either.

That'S the difference between the division back then and the division right now. Sure the division got more characters but so what if nobody cares about it. Right now, to be able to have a opportunity in TNA you have to either be a former WWE divas (Gail Kim, Mickie James), Look Like a barbie doll(Velvet Sky,MAdison Rayne) or be married to somebody who got some stroke with management (Karen Angle) if your not in either of these category, you serve only as furniture to further the storyline that one of these knockouts are involve it. That the reason why i hated that match last thursday, because it'S only to advance the Velvet vs KAren Angle story and didn'T serve any purpose to have all of them wrestles in lingeries plus it makes them look cheap for pulling a stunt like that with woman's that can actually wrestles and attract peoples based on the wrestling matches and not how they look.

So your theory is that because even though the division tells stories now and mostly just wrestled then it is inferior now because they try and push people with a rhyme or reason to it? Using a mix of stuff that might actually lead to something unlike the old division?

 

[Psykohurricane55]

So in a nutshell the only thing you ever liked was Kim vs Kong yet you trumpet this myth that the entire division was so great back then. Oh yeah, you also like Winter a little bit. Winter is part of the division now, Daffney was then although I am confused what exactly the time frame cutoff is between this stupid "good" and "bad" idea. People are arguing about good then vs bad now. I provided a counter example of a niche that was being filled better now than it was then. I fail to see how that is so terribly off topic. I can't take you seriously if you see no difference between Madison then vs now.

I reiterate my main point, which you didn't refute: Kong wasn't the whole division and is the only noticeable difference. Sarita debuted around the same time as Tara and both of them were there before Kong left. If you aren't counting Tara in your time frame then that is another big difference. I suppose you have some idiotic subjective reason to completely dismiss her as well though. Oh yeah Velvet is clearly a better in-ring performer than she was when she first came to TNA. That doesn't mean she is great in the ring or anything but she is serviceable enough to let her the rest of her package get over (mic, character, looks etc.)



Alissa Flash rarely wrestled for TNA. Gail Kim is in the division now, ODB is around, Hamada/Taylor Wilde have zero personality/character which doesn't work in mainstream companies and Roxxi was a one trick pony that once she grew her hair back wasn't interesting either.



So your theory is that because even though the division tells stories now and mostly just wrestled then it is inferior now because they try and push people with a rhyme or reason to it? Using a mix of stuff that might actually lead to something unlike the old division?

So first of all, i'm never said that i didn'T like the fact that the division has storylines because back then they had storylines too and i didn'T mind them because for the most part they made sense. What i'm against it's using cheap tricks like putting the knockouts in lingerie to advance a storyline that got nothing to do with most of them. The whole point of this storyline is to push Karen Angle as the main heel in the division and Velvet as the knockout that'S going to save the division. That's what i'm against.

HAs history shows, putting woman's in lingerie or swimsuit never work and the fans seem to lose interest very quickly. That'S what almost killed the WWE divas division back in the day before Trish and all the others wrestlers showed up and had interesting matches with interesting storylines. That's what made the knockout division from 2008 to january 5th 2010 interesting was that they had great storylines and great matches without having to resort to cheap tricks like having them wear lingerie. They were taken seriously and the fans enjoyed it. The fact the where the highest rated segment week after week on IMPACT during that period speak volumes. They even scored a .6 rating for the four hour special on new year's eve in 2009 which in my eyes is great because how many people actually want to watch wrestling on new year'S eve.

That the only point i'm making here. Back then if i was to make a top 5 of the best woman wrestling match on mainstream tv. 4 of them would be TNA. Has of right now in 2011, i can only put one and that'S the cage match between TAra and Mickie James.

Also before i close, sorry if i forgot Tara in my previous comment, i didn'T mention her because she was including in the other girls part of my comment and has for me liking Winter, sure she'S a great talent that pretty much got wasted this her to make Mickie James and Velvet Sky look good and it'S too bad because she'S one of the better character on the roster and she'll pretty gonna get stuck as enhancement talent like she was in WWE.

 

[SpecialFNK]

there are many actresses out there that get roles to look hot/sexy in movies and TV where it's not for their acting ability. Megan Fox comes to mind. people don't watch a Megan Fox movie because they want to see her acting ability.

the number 1 priority for a Knockout should be being attractive. wrestling ability no doubt should be a factor, but if they are ugly/not attractive why would a majority of men want to watch them on TV?
I am so glad that thing Kong is gone.

I would assume there would be a lot of men that want to see women who were hot AND could wrestle, but if you had to choose which one was more important, they would pick being hot. are there seriously a lot of men out there complaining a woman is hot but that she can't wrestle? OMG this girl is so hot, I don't want to see this! click, change the channel?
occasionally throw in a match like last Thursday that involved lingerie and it's a bonus. this isn't something where the Knockouts are going to be wrestling in lingerie week after week after week. it also fits the story line, something else important on a television show.

this coming week Karen gets to pick what the Knockouts will wear.